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Personally, I feel that a company that cannot take "complaints" is a company that isn't secure about the quality of their product.
There is absolutely NO reason to use Avid products at this point. Every DAW platform out there is competitive and most of them are just as good or better than Pro Tools. I dont understand why they are even still in business.
Because they are now the standard in the industry.
In your studio at home, it's no big deal.
If you work for others, or hope to, you will need to use ProTools, just as you will need to know Media Composer if you want to get a job as a video editor.
@@VideoArchiveGuy nah. Fraid not. Hahaha.
You can't say there's no reason at all. Some people like Pro Tools - I liked it myself when I used it. Plus, switching DAWs is not the easiest thing. Some studios are invested into (infested with?) the ecosystem. I'm not a large studio owner but I've heard their arguments for staying with PT and it seems reasonable.
Like VideoArchiveGuy said, Media Composer is widely-used apparently. There's probably integration between the two applications that some might find convenient.
For future reference, 'none' and 'never' are usually false arguments. I can understand if you're outraged or befuddled but emotion doesn't play into logic.
@@Hexspa No reason to HAVE to is probably a better way of putting it then. Only made up reasons. There is no edge that PT has. In fact, it is clunky, inefficient, bloated, and god awful. LOL.
I should have said that there is no reason for NEW users to get into pro tools as opposed to almost any other daw. I understand people who are invested staying. There is a pretty steep learning curve to change.
I was a PT Certified Trainer. Used it, taught it for many years . . . Studio One came along and I left AVID. Never been happier with my DAW. Keep it up Presonus, you're doing good work!
I did the same. But after 4 years ended up using Reaper. No looking back, neither to S1 nor to PT.
Yep. Studio One, built by two (2) former Steinberg Engineers is a highly crative well thought out DAW with some of the best sonics in the business. I love getting projects sent to us in Studio One .
@@andreasfranzmann9634 There are so many great choices out there, everyone should just use what they like and do their best work! It's not the car, it's the driver ;-)
I've been on Studio One for the past 10 years now after comming off 5 years of Cakewalk Sonar. I mean I have even used and tried the early form of S1 when it was called Kristal Audio Engine back in the day long before Presonus acquired Kristal Labs. I just love the work flow of that's unmatched. I use it every day professionally for my client's as a multi-faceted Producer. I had a hand in Protools but the workflow seems sluggish with extra steps. Terrible when comes to composing tracks too as you have to add a stupid click track in each session. PT is like a diminishing return asset. Very few Producers uses PT since most DAWs are cross compatible with each other that support the AAF file format. I can literally load Protools sessions into Studio One. I run my whole Hybrid mixing rig with S1 using Pipeline XT.
@@pnotemusic Yes of course! But I like safer and faster cars now. :-) (not true in real life though, I just like your analogy)
Well said. And this is the EXACT reason why I will NEVER buy protools
This is why I use Logic. Free updates. Amazing price. So much content.
Agree with you there. But Logic unfortunately is far from perfect either. I've been on the edge more than 1 time to switch DAW since logic has some serious bugs (which Apple still does not seem to be able to fix after years) which can literally drive you to insanity, and if you have ever talked with Logic support, you don't exactly get the feeling that the person in the other end of the phone is an audio engineer.
@@theclaverman The 'bugs" will not prevent you from starting and comnpleting a project. Sorry, the tools in Logic Pro X work. What tool are you waiting on them to fix?
@@JJDPROMEDIAPRODUCTION Maybe not, but they can surely slow you down alot. Sorry to hurt hour feelings but here is a small list…Examples: 1. It has happened more than one time that Logics pitch correction suddenly adds unexplainable artifacts(even if it didn’t a day ago). I found the pitch correction in logic so unreliable that I simply cannot use it for any paid work with a deadline.
2. The External Instruments plugin is extremely frustrating. If you try to send a midi-signal to an external device (like an analog synth) it will play back in sync, but if you want to record it, it plays out of sync(apple support has no explanation for the problem). The same can happen if you want to inject analog prossesing (like compressors etc.)
3. Midi-editor suddenly becomes unresponsive. (If you press a recorded midi-note it doesn’t play back the instrument. And any editing done does not affect the recorded midi)
4. Sudden CPU peaks on one of the cores. This has been a looooong issue with Logic. But every now and then during project playback, one of the CPU - cores without explanation spikes through the roof. Countless of tutorials has been made in attempts to solve this issue(along with numerous post in different forums), but none of them seem to fully explain why this happens nor have any good solution to prevent it from happening (but nonetheless extremely frustrating if you have paying clients in your studio excited to hear the final mix of their record. It makes you feel….well… somewhat less proffesional)
Theres is also thing I absolutely love about Logic. And yes, the bugs does not stop me from finishing my projects , but sometimes you have to go huge sideways to finish the projects (because some strange bug occured)
@@theclaverman That may not be the case for everyone that has issues as a lot of top producers uses it. Grammy Award Winning Producer Oak Felder does everything in Logic Pro X with no issues as he's a lot like me that doesn't use a Recording Engineer as we both wear the Producer and Engineers hat. Oak simply brings his MacBook pro every where with him that's always mobile on the go such as renting out a studio from time to time as he was producing and recording Brandy Norwood in Logic. He produced Demi Lovato - Sorry Not Sorry entirely in Logic.
To my ears logic sounds better
Nothing in current version of PT is worth their price for me. I will use PT12 as long as I can, but once Avid turns off the light, I'm getting Reaper.
Same here.
That is exactly what I said two years ago, like an idiot I keep coming back paying the $200 every year. But this year I paid the $60 to Reaper and I'm training on it it's awesome.
@@supermolo100 did the GUI turn you off reaper at first? I’m trying to make the same decision to move from PT to Reaper
@@JobThako yes at the beginning, just imagine using Pro tools for over 20 years.
From Protools I spent a moth on Studio One, Logic and Reaper. Reaper is hard to beat. So fast so solid. It needs a proper polished commercial release though because I'm not much for constantly messing around with settings.
Reaper with the Swiss Fusion theme is my new jam. Form a blank session I can be up an recording and tracking guitars through a bus in less than a minuit. It rules.
I absolutely hate Avid's subscription-based plans! What's worse, is they don't even give you the choice to pay full price...
Avid just won't stop hurting themselves
Hubris blinds them. Let them fall.
I hate playing "devils advocate", but as someone that used to run a forum, moderators are usually volunteers. So not really avid the company, but definitely a grey area of affiliation. Some mods will get "trigger happy" with the ban hammer. Your thoughts on Avid are pretty par for the course, valid and valuable. Keep doing what you're doing. Who knows, it might push the needle a bit.
as a moderator of the DUC, now called Apac for a while, We actually don't have the power to ban someone. We can mute them temporarily until an Avid administrator reviews the posts (since we can't even hard delete a post unless it's clear spam) so yeah.. The mods don't have the power to ban someone. We can chime in with our opinion if asked, but that's about it. Won't comment on his ban though as that would be breaking NDA that we mods have signed. And yes, he's been a great helper on the DUC, and I hope he can still help a lot of people in any way he can.
I'm not really familiar with this channel - you just popped into my feed due to YT AI. But I watched your video. I have to applaud your tenacity and perseverance in sticking with Pro Tools for so long. As soon as they started demanding a subscription, that was the end for me. I had a bad taste in my mouth from Avid for years over the HD vs. Regular Pro Tools, and the ridiculous prices for hardware and software they wanted. But the subscription model was the final straw. I went to Nuendo and have NEVER been happier with my choice of DAW. Just try getting into Dolby Atmos without the primo version of PT, costing thousands more than Nuendo when all is said and done! Anyway, you gave them a good faith run. They are the ones who are destroying their base and forcing customers to jump ship.
I hope more than anything after seeing your passion about this that you have removed PT from your life and moved on to a product that actually does care about training, supporting and communicating honestly with their customers. There are many others out there. We need more big houses and producers and engineers to finally make big declarations of divorce from the Avid universe, which is outdated, outmoded, closed-in and out of touch with the market and their customers. I hope your next video is about how you did exactly that, and how happy you are with your new DAW.
One can stil have a permanent license. I have two.
I enjoyed listening to your views and experiences a lot! I hope you keep posting and uploading. Thx for taking your time to make this video Barry. Wish you all and good!!🙏🙌👍
As a composer I was a long time user of Avid's Sibelius music notation scoring software, until Avid bought Sibelius and I had to upgrade my systems to Windows 10; after which upgrades switched from legacy to annual subscription. Needless to say, I no longer use any of Avid's products because I don't appreciate being financially raped for products I originally paid a lot of money for. Avid's disdain for its customers stinks. There are now many free open source software products on the market that perform just as well for no money at all. Avid drives its customers to the competition. So be it!
Funny, I used the word "disdain" discussing Avid just the other day. You are not alone. Plus, I am a Sibelius user as well. They drove me away. I am learning Dorico now.
Muse Score 4, it's FOSS, absolutely phenomenal and great community.
I think it is amazing that you made this video, because more people need to step up when a company you have invested so much of your time, money and work in using thei products, and helping their customers are treated the way you just described. I moved away from pro tools all together a few years ago. Sold my digidesign hardware and moved to another DAW (doesnt matter which, like you said, this is not about "which tool should you use") exactly because of this kind of stuff. I always make the point that whatever tool you use to work, must make your job easier. Even if you spent 4k on a piece of gear and you had to find your way around a problem with it, i would inmediatly sell that, return it or something. A company that makes a tool and provides a services that is not helpful to their users, should not be even considered an option
Great job , Barry, spot on.
I for one am particularly grateful you left 'em, Barry, I believe in the fallout a great resource and pivotal YT channel is ramping up here because of it. Keep it up, sir, I find myself over here more often than even the biggest of the other guys. I do wish you'd share a bit of your music/projects a little more often! Cheers.
You are absolutely right about AVID. It goes way back to promising us a free PT11 upgrade and then turned around and said “sure, you can have it, if you buy PT12”. It’s pretty clear that quite a lot of people have jumped their ship with many more to follow. Well done sir!
Or when you use PT perpetual for a year and a half until it suddenly doesn't 'recognize your license' 😐
@@taslikesdogs What do you mean? Can you still use PT now at where you left off? Does it no longer work? Please explain!
Thanks for your honesty Barry!
To understand the company, fix the spelling error: AVIDE, which in French means greedy.
Hahah good one... Btw which daw u use... I use FL studio 👍
Yep. Sounds like Avid.
I work with Logic for 10 years and on version 9 after years waiting for Apple to add some real new features and improve the DAW, I left and never look back. There is nothing wrong with new and fresh beginnings. If they don't think about you they don't deserve you, you are not stuck, you are not a tree. You won't regret it
Just seen the video on your Carbon purchase (which made sense) but i do feel sad that they just won't take care of their base even when you buy their products. Seems corporate companies are just going wild.
Let's hope it doesn't happen like that with Sweetwater now that's corporate.
Good job on the videos, keep at it!
I remember the company Degidesign - when that piece of company started releasing it hardware came the Music studio journalists were really excited by this company.
Great vid Barry! I ditched pt years ago for Logic! Love Logic lol! You didn’t deserve that man.
Thanks Matthew
After 15yrs of PT THIS WHY I USE reaper
Fascinating channel. Subbed. Thanks for this, Barry.
Thank you!
When researching software for my home studio, this is exactly why it wasn't Pro-Tools I chose.
pro tools is the antithesis to bedroom producing
Dude I love your channel. I really hope you get many more subscribers, you definitely deserve it. I hope you eventually make the switch to something better and so much cheaper as well. Have you tried any other DAWS or considered what you would switch to if you left Pro Tools?
I'm exploring Bitwig more as a companion to Pro Tools than a complete switch. The modern features and interface are compelling, and the code base feels snappy and stable. Native VI latency is surprisingly good and I appreciate how individual plug-ins are sandboxed to avoid session crashes. So perhaps Bitwig for writing and tracking, and Pro Tools for mixing and mastering.
Started with PT, switched to Cubase, now using REAPER & Harrison 32C.
Use Reason 10 & 11... but don't care much with what's going on there either.
Still using Sibelius Ultimate 2019
Thank you for all your help BJ
Personally I think You should take the pain. … switch to other DAWs. … I know You love the Product. … it simply just time to move on.
You have got fire in your belly! I love your vids and learn so much from you. You are the Mike Ditka of Pro Audio! All those you help appreciate you. Not sure after this many years that companies like Avid will make positive change. If revenue drops too much they just get bought out by even worse corporate giant.
Just curious, why would plunk down another 4k for a new interface ( from Avid) when your HD interface is doing the job.? 2) Why not invest in an interface that works with everything and not
pigeon hole you with just PT? Thanks
I support you 1000%. Barry! Avid NEEDS to freaking THINK outside their selfish and greedy mind! I wish this video could reach them tenfold!
Keep it up, Barry!
No they really dont. They’ll just keep roping in new users and not care about loyal customers. They got Barry’s money already. They no longer need him for anything.
Never seen this channel before but I already know this guy in the video is telling the truth hahaa. Message from the perspective of a user with high end products of said company too. Definite thumbs up for the good fight.
That said, Cubase forever!
I used to be on those old DUC forums! Remember the DaveC PC test thread back when protools did not officially support windows?
AES NYC 1989, an old friend Chris Bock ✝︎ drags me out of the Synclavier/PostPro suite (I was a field service engineer for New England Digital) to show me a MacII with some software on a folding table with a white cloth..."It's called ProTools!" he says. Shortly thereafter NED goes down and Digidesign start its ascent. I'll never forget that day, obviously.
I've never been a ProTools fan and can't really explain why. Maybe because I was spoiled by access to the original DAW from NED, but for years (1998-2015) I was a LogicPro user and later a certified trainer. Switched over to Studio One about 5 years ago and have not looked back. PreSonus' team led by Arnd Kaiser are killin' it in my opinion.
My final opinion - Unless you're working in the "industrial" audio/film post production houses, it doesn't matter if it's not ProTools. DAW's now days are what works best for ones workflow. The DAW doesn't create your sound, you do.
Barry...I'd say keep doin' you! 😃
Perfectly stated.
I'm on Studio One as well, because I use it more for songwriting. I can mix and master or send that out as needed. It's the workflow and the solid software that I enjoy.
What if someone takes an old Digidesign code, makes it compatible with the current plugins and shares as freeware a la Cakewalk by Bandlab? Orp Sloot by Diva would throw Avid off their pedestal, but can this be any legal? Like, the copyright on the old product might have ended, then the person isn't getting any money from updating it at all.
Spot on, Barry!
Absolutely agree with everything you’ve said in this video. I’m still using perpetual v12 today and stopped paying that introduced annual service update fee way back after it expired the first time. It provided little to no value for the money. Ridiculous tyrannical corporate culture that has surely been detrimental to their bottom line.
One of the MANY reasons I'm not a fan of the Fruit Stand. I own absolutely nothing AVID, Apple, etc! Never will giter these exact reasons! Great content btw Barry! I'm sure there are other brands that would love to have you on their team!!
adobe premiere, 3ds max... all dinosaurs more concerned with lobbying so their shti gets taught than actually improving their products much
I’ve heard so much of the same from others in the Avid Pro Tools world. It’s why I never went down this path…fossils of a company
Thanks Barry for telling me about this.
I am a Pro Tools User but after what you said, I am going to switch my DAW.
Well said, Barry!!!
Barry - like you, I'm a PT's user. I know it inside and out which makes it hard to change. I have workflow established and I'm so quick in tracking, editing, and mixing. So, with all of the productions I have, it's difficult to switch to a new DAW because of the temporary "slow down" that will inevitably come. That said, nothing will change until we make it change.
I will be investing in a new interface (using Apollo silver now and LOVE it). I was seriously considering the Carbon and upping to Ultimate. But, I can get Logic for $200 (and most of the Nashville producers I work with now are using Logic). I can get Luna free since I already own a thunderbolt interface. I believe that some former Avid developers now work for UA which explains Luna's similar workflow and hot keys to Protools.
Luna has a little ways to go to get to Protools level, but it's getting there. I'm hearing GREAT things about Studio One. So, with Logic, S1, Luna, and a plethora of other choices, why would I continue to invest in a company that won't accept input of its users, constantly upsets its customers with horrible pricing practices, and quite frankly isn't offering anything that other DAWs cannot also offer.
Barry, you are making a difference. You've inspired me to carve out time to learn another DAW or two. If Forest and other producers I work with can do it, so can I.
Avid just lost a sale of Carbon because of this video. So, I hope they apologize as you've asked for.
studio one 5 has all the pro tools shortcuts, an drag an drop, i know pro tools, i started there but studio one is much better
I’m still a PT user after 15 years or so. So I remember the grand old days of being accused of using cracked plugins, by moderators I might add, on the DUC because I was encountering certain problems. I also a few years back spent several days working out the cause of a very longstanding specific bug by trawling log files and tried to get in touch with Avid to share my findings. When I posted about it on DUC my threads were deleted. Eventually someone from the PT codebase team reached out to me personally on a private email to say thanks. Still took them two updates to patch it.
I was one that shelled out the tens of thousands of $$ to have a ProTools rig. Finally, I became so angry with Avid that I fired them and got rid of their gear (because sustaining my investment in their products became financially infeasible -- I have nothing against ProTools per se).
So now Avid is engaging in cancel culture! Ugh. That is so unfair. History has shown us many times what happens to monolithic companies that treat their customers poorly.
So many companies, started by enthusiastic engineers creating a great product, get taken over by financiers and investors, who then lose the passion that made them great. So many, in all sectors.
I love this guy
I knew the original owners of Digidesign, every word he speaks is true.
DigiDesign was good.
That's sad, many software companies are going that route... companies that deal with technology have a green light on putting out products with flaws, what ever happened to the lemon law... clear indication that corporations run the world. I used pro tools for 6 months, never completed a single track because of issues, I traded all that for Motu and everything just worked...
Hi Barry, what you’re saying makes a lot of sense and it’s a shame when companies don’t listen to their most loyal users. I recently got sucked into the monthly scheme as the new 2021 PT was a big upgrade from my PT 2012. I was able to somehow justify it as there was a deal for 90-100£ a year. That being said, I was asked to pay 35£ for a ticket in order to call Avid tech support before I made the upgrade. I don’t know about you, but I’ve never had to pay 35£ to call a company. I work as a reviewer in a magazine and contact companies on a daily basis. I’ve never been asked to pay in order to call tech support. Especially from a company with Avid’s resources.
Change is always a pain in the ass when your invested so heavily in a product and company. Really your just going to have to use your wallet power and go with another company. I'm so glad I started with Cubase as a DAW although I do have an Avid Eleven Rack but of course had to go to forums to get help.
I used pro tools for my first DAW. At the time avid was the front runner. But I just got frustrated with it. And probably most of it was my fault not knowing how to use it to it's full potential. I never really loved working in a studio, I loved live Audio. It was a challenge, being thrown in to a different venue night after night figuring out how is me and my team can make this sound good. But a bit off topic. So I started trying different DAW. And one that clicked with me was mixcraft. I know it's not at the four front of audio technology. But the simplicity of it just grabbed me. Then I got in to logic pro and I currently use that now. But sometimes I catch myself wanting to go back to mixcraft at times. Am I alone in this? Using a " inferior" DAW? Not just mixcraft but other programs that are deemed inferior.
Yes I remember Digidesign from the days of Session 8. Which apparently became Pro-tools later on?
You posted this video, because you are a decent person with morals. You don't need them, so much options out there
Big companies don't necessarily care, because, generally, the decision making is done by employees, and they mostly care only about everything looking clean on a report and their pay check. If a company goes under, they'll just go work somewhere else. For a company to make meaningful decisions, a decision maker has to be someone who is committed to the product, who takes the risk and has repercussions for bad decisions. Otherwise it all depends on the honesty of the employee, and we're all different.
Take, for example, Steve Jobs, he was smart and took part in every decision regarding the product. He was the one to approve the keyboard layout on the iPad. Not just anyone, not some designer / manager / product owner, but Steve himself, he didn't consider it an unimportant thing not worthy of his precious CEO time, assuming that people are just going to buy it. No, he was involved in every step of the process and made sure the product is good.
If you want stuff taken seriously, then talk to the stakeholders, the ones that really lose money if a company fails. And if they want it the wrong way, so be it, move on and let it fail.
I do not know anything about Avid. This is just my observation about human nature, no one is going to put more effort than one has to.
I went through recording school at a top-notch college in Sacramento, CA. My Protools class was taught by none other that the author of the Protools textbook himself. After graduation - years later- I purchased Avid's Protools - this was the platform on which I has been instructed. Good Lord! If - just supposing - I had a few clients lined up, deposits secured - and then they would have to get a phone call from me , like, "I'm sorry, but by platform is experiencing some issues today - I'll have to get back with you at some later time/date." Eeeeh -- y--eaah - NO. Clients, our labels with deadlines don't play pretty with that kind of crap.
so true !!!
Love Studio One 5! Only DAW I use now in my studio. Respectfully, Former Pro Tools user.
It makes sense and I Subscribed to see you more.
I started on Sessions 8 back in the mid 90’s.
Had a lot of support from a San Francisco store called Computers and Music.
Those were the days
i hate that i want to update my Pro Tools but i have an "expired license" and i have to resign my perpetual license and change to a pay monthly license.
You have my support!
Actually about to list my Ultimate perpetual license on EBAY. Nuendo for me runs rings around PT for Prod and Film Post work. If I have a client that demands PT I'll rent it for a month then kick it out the door.
Yeah I heard great stuff about Neundo. I have been playing around with a trial version as I plan on buying it for Dolby Atmos mixing. With PT you have to buy all the extra B.S required RMU, MADI interface and the Dolby Mastering Suite that cost thousands of dollars when Nuendo does Atmos mixing entirely natively in the box without the required 3 party hardware and software esp if you are on a Windows PC. I use Studio One Pro as my primary and only DAW for Music Production, Recording, Editing & Mixing. Its like a more polished version of Cubase given it was originally developed by former Steinberg Developers but has all the Protools like features.
Barry, I have Avid HD Hardware that I still use because I spent so much money on it. But... I gave up on Avid 8 or 9 years ago. I changed my workflow with a new DAW at that time and almost 10 years later I honestly don't miss Pro Tools at all. When I do freelance stuff and I have to use a Pro Tools system, I'm still fast at it and I'm happy to do what I need to do for the client but my studio is Pro Tools free in general. What's important about that is my studio is also STRESS FREE in general. Like you I'm not anti Pro Tools. I'm anti Avid. Avid = Stress and I don't need it. I love my Avid hardware. It sounds great but it turns out I'm happier using it with another DAW. If I ran my Business like Avid I'd be out of business.
using pt12 until they smarten up and getting reading for a switch to reaper or SL
In my opinion only Pro avid has is in the name, maybe 20 years ago it was expendable, but not today! many amazing Daw are available today, it is a shame that education still call it professional standard, I am a proudly Logic x user for years now and although it means that you have to buy a Apple computer but even with the stock plugins it is amazing what you get for the money! Tracktor, Reason, Bitwi, Studio one…..among many other, No reason to use any of that expensive ones that i have not dudes that they are great, Ableton, Cubase….fortunately for all that talent people there are around that wanted improve their skills and thanks to people as Barry who shares his knowledge in places like RUclips , they does not need today be millionaires or make their studies in Berkley with the professional standard to do what they love! Good times to music, musicians, engineers, producers….etc and not so good to big companies that just are interesting in making money.
I'm a Studio One user since Version 2.
But is anyone even still using MOTU? I remember about 18-19 years ago it was the alternative to PT>
I was a user way back when Digidesign sold the audio interface "Session 8".
Got off of it when they sold out to Avid, and issued PT that didn't work with my still functioning hardware.
Lucky for me it worked quite well with other DAWs which, btw, long ago surpassed the functionality and features of PT, and cost less than 10% of PT.
I will never use subscription-model apps in my studio, whether audio, video, or even office.
Also, any companies practicing subscription-model should be forbidden by law to use the term "purchase", since we never actually own our "purchase", as defined by centuries of common commerce law.
Logic. Inexpensive and optimized for Mac computers. I'm using Logic X on a 2008 iMac with no upgrades and I'm amazed that it works so well.
@@levondarratt787 I purchased an 08 iMac for $150 5-6 years ago and didn't even upgrade it. I can run several synth tracks, with recorded tracks, effects, etc before it starts to run out of juice. The current price for Logic is $199. My interface was more then that. I'd say the lack of down time trying to figure out why it's not working and the ease of set up and use, and the fact that you can pick up a used poorly configured Mac that will still run this very well, makes it incredibly inexpensive.
What he said in the first 1:40 is 💯 After the first year of Avid and countless & pointless emails that didn't help at all and getting a corrupted S/N. After that fiasco, I moved on (back) to Logic. No regrets 😎
I say "at the end of the day" a lot myself
I respect you. I hate the pay monthly model for Using codes.
I left Pro Tools years ago for Logic, love it. My old Avid gear works fine in Logic, although I primarily use other gear now. Not saying Logic is perfect though.
When you chose "avid" as a name for your company you usualy mean something.
Would you buy something from, well, "Rapacious inc." or "Ravenous intl." ? 🤔
Agree with so much there. But like you, I love Pro Tools! It’s so very disappointing that Avid doesn’t seem to care about it’s users.
Talking DUC, I’m rarely there, but when I am, if I think I have something positive to offer in the way of helping others, I will.
Sadly, I’ve been flamed and shut down by a “gang” of moderators who were slamming Avid in response to me trying to help someone come up with a workaround to an issue caused by an Avid limitation. They were literally saying get a new DAW! When I questioned that kind of behaviour from a Mod on an Avid forum, it was pointed out that he was kind of a big deal, (so credits apparently give him the right not to help others effectively or the company he’s supposed to help, and to say whatever he feels like!) and I was told that’s the way things are around here.
I’ve never been back since. In fact, I’ve found the Facebook group a much better place for help and to be able to provide help for others. So I’m very surprised that they’ve banned you Barry.. there are some other Mods that should have been banned instead I think!
I was a Pro Tools user for YEARS. Then I found REAPER. I will NEVER go back. Reaper does EVERYTHING Pro Tools and more, much more if you're willing to go there with it some of which is very experimental. BTW. I am an audio pro and have produced records since the mid-1980's using analogue machines. Reaper is only $60 and the worldwide community for Reaper is HUGE. I got no problems continuing to find work with a Reaper setup. My clients don't care because they're not paying for the software. They pay for my skills and trust I can make their music sound great.
A PT user since AudioMedia III, I completely agree with you and back you up 100%.
Avid is digging their own grave, while still standing they should drasticly change their buisiness plan, but that won´t happen, OR?
Really enjoyed this video and thanks for making it! I just started using Pro Tools after trying a bunch of other DAWs. It started for me as an itch I wanted to scratch and I was surprised that I just really enjoyed using it for the music I write. I had read all the arguments about how every other DAW is more powerful in some way or another and having used some of those others I agree they do a lot more. What I've realized for me though was that where I'm at in my musical journey and the music I like to write didn't need those features yet I would end up fiddling with them to be part of my writing and get bogged down with that instead of just writing music and being happy. We can only hope that AVID as a company will get some people in a position of power that realize they can do better and start making changes to reflect that.
Very well said!
Barry, AVID is like most companies that don't like criticism as it pertains to their bottom line. They put you in the box unfairly. May you continue to stay real in your work and in your life. One day, AVID may get their s**t together.
Plus when you have used DAW for over 25 years it is hard to change, I have used cubase since 92 and after decades I wouldnt be able to change do to muscle memory of where everything is
Trust me, I know this all too well. The thing that made it easier for me was buying a course on the new DAW. I’ve been using Nuendo since I split from Protools, but I’m not gonna lie. There are certain things that make it very difficult.
@@BarryJohns Wow, you made the split! I tried to use reaper as I really liked the GUI of the white tie mod that looks like a console but cubase is just so intuitive to me. Great video content !
Been there, done that, got the t-Shirt, but never got booted off the DUC. What the hell is going on over there?
I think he is right I'm 2 seconds from getting rid of my Apollo x 8 due to the fact that the plugins break ya back and plugin alliance do it for me and mcdsp I only use certain plugins from bad and the fact that I got the new avid carbon that came with pro tools ultimate and tons of plugins I don't even turn my Apollo on no more
I'm with you man. The reaper forum welcomes you.
I appreciate how you exposed Avid. By exposing these companies is the only way change will come within these companies like Avid. Barry Johns keeps it real! I respect that about you sir!
So sad to hear. I’m anLogic user. I’ve never used PT. So glad I’m not if this treatment is anything to go by.
Good call Barry , I won t go and become Avids Bitch on the subscription BS. I can get by with my PT11 HD cause i spent years learning it . Even my love for UAD has diminished with there dsp heavy plugins . Still use a Gen2 UAD2 Apollo quad. lol. Love all your vids .
Thank God I did not choose pro tools over Cubase. The cross platform with wavelab, spectralayers etc is better for me. It's bad when a company like pro tools does not appreciate their customers. It is good that you made this video to bring our attention. Regardless, of what DAW we use we have to appreciated as customers. I am not saying that pro tools does not have good products but is not professional the way they treated you that to me was rude. Good luck man and keep up the good work.
Hobbyist nonprofessional here, never liked the vibe of Avid and PT, and the yearly fee for Bitwig seems ok to me since they are still adding new features. I've tried other DAWs and I agree with the other comments here about Logic, that basically it has stagnated similarly. I never understood why PT was so "necessary" and I still don't. Like what are you actually getting that you can't do in other DAWs? Is the mixing algo/approach that much better than others?
Go gettem' Barry!
What the alternative Barry? Logic, cubase,Luna
I own Logic and recently bought Studio One that I plan to explore.
They have always been helpful to me I’m a licensed user
Probably never going Pro Tools, especially with these kind of stories in mind. However, what makes people who are sick of Avid bad support drawn to Logic? It's not like Apple is going to answer any emails or phone calls any time soon. Features that have been requested for years and years are still absent. Something wrong with Logic? Can only rely on third party forums and troubleshoots that 9 out of 10 times won't solve anything, cause they definitely won't ever put up a hotline or swear to answer emails. Batch export manager? No, they'll rather give you a new GUI on one of the stock plugins that you replaced 5 years ago. Visibility manager? How about a new synth preset that sounds like a choir of farts instead. A way to configure track numbers manually? No, but you can now share Logic projects via Mail Drop! A way to search while browsing your plugins withtout resorting to third party solutions? Maybe a bit smoother adjustment of pre-delay in the Chroma reverb plugin will satisfy you.
In all fairness, they do a massive amount of bug fixes down to extremely detailed problems which 99% of their users would never know about, so props to them for that. And they obviously do implement features at the same detailed level, listening to their users. But they get so many things and professional demands fundementally wrong. I'm a Logic user, but the day that I'm absolutely confident I can do the same in Cubase without much readjusting, no more Logic for me. The free updates aren't good enough that they really can compete with Cubases paid updates
LMFAO... It's like the captain kicking you off of the titanic for your critiquing their hitting of an iceberg... FORCING you off of the ship before any of the other passengers are congesting the evacuation paths.
Ableton 11 suite. The future, no doubt.
Cakewalk is free these days! No stress just a download and fresh canvas to work!
The only reason to use PT these days is because a client or a studio you work with does. It you care that much about the DUC just go get another free email account and sign back up.
Not really. Don't necessary have to use the equipment provided by the studio because a lot of guys esp Producers these days just bring their mobile rig with them. Producer Oak Felder is mostly mobile that rents out a studio from time to time that brings his backpack with everywhere he goes. He just brings in his Macbook Pro running Logic Pro X and his interface and goes to work. He was tracking Brandy Norwood in Logic on his laptop. Most of the Weeknd records were produced and recorded in Ableton live by his Producer that is also mostly mobile.
they probably had some smarmy lawyer tell them they were open for a class-action lawsuit
Bravo Barry! This is totally disgraceful on Avid’s part. I’ve known you via the years of your helpful posts throughout my years on the ‘DUC’. I’m surprised they haven’t outsourced their customer support yet(or have they??).
We should set up an auto spam phonecall program to call Avid's headquarters with different fake numbers for 3 weeks straight.
Can we all just be done with Avid? Lead the way, Barry. Let's leave them behind. Just like Waves. Buh-Bye! (great work, Barry)
I'v used Cubase on windows for over 10 years, zero issues
Fuckin love Cubase. Love how they're getting rid of the requirement for the dongle. You can still use it but you don't have to.