As a 23 year old car guy, gotta say... I just like cars. Not interested in racing or arguing with people, I just like cars. Fast cars, slow cars, trucks, etc. I just think cars are cool.
every body has their own interests when it comes to cars and having that ability to respect everybody within the car community is few and far between so keep on trucking and Respect those within the car community even when you do disagree
I’m 40 now. Grew up with Hondas. The mid to late 90’s and early 2000’s car meets were different. No one did stupid burn outs and rev offs. Car clubs were actually cool and you didn’t get into a car club unless you had a sick/fast car. Everything else was regular traffic. You would never catch a stock car at a meet.
I’m 39, I agree, it’s not just the car community, everyone these days, I mean I seen a dude with a built Lexus more then 100k of extra work done to it but he couldn’t tell me a single thing about any of the specs, or how he got the carbon fiber to look like that in the trunk and dash, or how the butterfly doors actually work, or how the nitros purge was hooked up. Second, where the world he come up with that to blow on a Toyota with an L on it. 😂
A lot of the Honda forums are still around. I'm on Honda-Tech, DriveAccord, V6Performance, and FitFreak. Still plenty of good shit there on top of the archive of old builds.
To me, i separate “enthusiasts” into two categories. “Car enthusiasts:” people who are more into the social media presence, appearance, lifestyle, trendy mods, surface level appreciation for cars; and then “driving enthusiasts:” people who appreciate a car not necessarily for its looks or what era it’s from, but for how it makes the driver feel, people who value function over form, people who understand and appreciate the effort that owners put into their cars to build them truly for themselves and not for social media influence, people who consistently attend their respective car events whether that’s a local autocross group, grassroots drifting, Friday night cruises, drag racing, etc. Those people are the same people that can be a hardcore drag racer and show up at an autocross and be totally stoked by a 90hp Miata crushing cones because that’s where that type of car truly shines.
This makes me miss the old days of having and working on my 86 and the community that was in my area. Thing didn't run right until much later but I had and was given/gave so much help from/to my fellow 86 owners. All the old heads were just happy to see young blood be so passionate about building and working on their own cars.
i turned from a car enthusiast to a driving enthusiast overnight. when i first got my subaru i wanted to do all the dumb typical mods like slamming it, expensive 3 piece wheels, flush fitment, you know the basic starterpack type beat, but then i actually drove my car for the first time on a windy road and all those thoughts just completely dissipated. now im building my car for pure handling over power and aesthetics. first mods i did were swaybars, poly bushings, chassis bracing tires ect, because its hilarious pulling away from high hp cars in the mountains with a stock looking car lol
i don't fully agree with you. cars are much more than a driver's tool. i call myself a car enthusiast bc i like everything about cars. their history, different purposes, designs and everything that revolves around it. surface level car enthusiasts are just carclout chasers
I guess i'd be the car enthousiast i like wrenching more than driving crazy engine swaps make my monkey brain happy. Stuff like project binky on youtube is my jam.
I grew up in the muscle car era and have been around them all my life. Old Boomer now with a couple of Corvettes. I hope the government lets you all carry on the tradition. Be safe young men .
I am a member of the next generation of muscle car enthusiasts. Its not really a muscle car but I'm fixing up a '88 Firebird right now. Its my first project car. I admire the shit you guys had back in the day. All these cars are unobtainum for most young people now because of the prices. 69-72 Chevelles, 70 GTOs n everything. I wish we wouldn't get slowly priced out of our own hobby. Btw. May I ask what kind of Vettes you have?
@@nicksspeedshop8664 Sure. I have a nice 96 LT4 and a 13 grand Sport real 60th anniversary package. My first car was a 69 SS Chevelle and my second was a 69 ram air IV GTO. Wish I had them back.
Yeap just do your own thing man. I walked away from the whole car community and it's toxic bs. 20+ years of helping people out etc. Just get used. Jealousy etc. People in general suck. Lol Just do your thing bro. For you.
I keep to myself anyways, most car shows and meets suck anymore anyways, although I always kept to myself for most part, I will talk to guys sure, but I personally no interest in going out anymore, going to shows, or anything, I just prefer to be with my family do some other hobbies like fishing.
if only those photobucket images actually still worked, I find myself nearing the magnum opus of resolving something and BAM "check the photo for the wiring"
I truly am glad to see the response of people on this video. I feel like we are all on the same page and are all into cars because we are actually enthusiasts. Remember we can be the best drivers on the touge but it only takes one major mistake to lose it all, Drive safe and Drive hard🤙
@@Teambashofficialnothing wrong with not risking your life for no reason 😭 park n chill dudes are way cooler than the dbags who think it’s cool to endanger everyone around them
@@introtosun4471 He had a picture where he parked his car on a local touge road that is a known road for driving fast on just to take a few pictures of his car so technically he is endangering people by doing that so get your facts straight bud 😂😂
@@introtosun4471 he could have parked and took pictures on one of the many turnouts that the road has but decided to park right in the middle of the road on a blind turn make that make sense
I’m glad u addressed this, however I have a feeling that this video is exactly what he was looking for-attention. Regardless, the dude gained literally nothing from this discourse😭 just made everyone upset for nothing
Yep lol. I've owned 10x V8 commodores now, 8 have been SS`s. I now have a 6 speed manual, ls3 SS in black on black. Aaaand you'll probably find me on my CSL DD Sim setup with my car in the driveway. Learned how to drive I cars. Learned how to drift on AC
Honestly you give me drew peacock vibes, you feel the modern car scene isn’t the best and you choose to do your own thing, I respect it, I wish your channel had more subscribers, but i’ll add to the count
Hey I hope that I’m not too late to be commenting on this video! But yes I have noticed a shift within the car culture. I do remember getting into cars at a young age from being influenced by watching some auto racing and playing racing games like Need for Speed. I have also have seen both ends of the car scenes. Both ones that are chill and laid back, while also ones that are more flamboyant and sexy. Of course nothing too over the top. But as we know the more that one particular kind of culture becomes more popular, the more that shady people become a part of it from doing renegade things to general toxicity. Anything that one person would get attention on social media. Sometimes I do feel guilty of being apart of the whole culture of cars, especially when people go way over the top to get clout. But one thing is that, it never stopped me from loving cars and admiring the art from some of the builds and paint jobs some of these people spent a lot of money on to get to how it came to be. I’ll always love cars and auto racing. But sometimes I do worry about the future generation of the car culture for how it will be. I guess it’s up to our generation to make shape of it for the better. At least I hope so anyways.
I can appreciate the hustle you guys put into your content creation, so if I may I'd like to give my €0,02 on why you may be getting this backlash recentlty. This is coming from a guy who just wants people to get along. TL;DR it comes down to authenticity and community engagement. When you choose a subject to revolve your content around (in this case touge / touge battles), there's the implication that you are either highly familiar with that subject, or are interested enough immerse yourself and learn more. For touge or canyon drivers, the social aspect is a huge part of the experience, not just the technical parts. It is common practice for people to ask randoms on the mountain for a drive as a way to connect and share that experience. From word-of-mouth, you are building a reputation as the guy who declines peoples' offer to drive together. Not usually a problem for others, but as a video creator that falls into the "touge" category this will be seen as disingenuous even if your intents are good. Of course you're not expected to reply to every single person, but realize that having people reach out to you for driving is really a blessing that's taken for granted in modern era. People will have a hard time understanding why you choose not to drive with others. Connecting with and showcasing drivers who have high competency levels in their respective platforms and roads is a treat for your viewers. It also gives more introspective that you can share with your audience. And content creation aside, people are just out there to see friends and meet new drivers. With these activities out the picture, more knowledgeable viewers will assume that you're using "touge" and "touge battle" in your titles for SEO and views, rather than a celebration of a culture subset. Regardless,it does create a misrepresentation of the abilities of people deep in the culture, something that is already incredibly difficult to change public perception. Now personally I don't think you intent to misrepresent anybody. Just a little more connection with the scene is the enough to understand each other. The vibe in person is always gonna be better than on social media. You're already killing it with your consistency and creativity regardless of the touge metatags. Wishing well for y'all, Love your day 💛
You've been in the scene for years man, one of the OGs on here. Definitely understand your perspective, but can also sympathize with Seikers as well. Touge has a spectrum of enthusiasts; There is not just one way to do things. Some people race everyone and everything, while others just race friends for the fun of it. These touge battles are new, and as with time should get better, just how yours did back in the mid 2010s. So I say let them experiment and post whatever the heck they want. But I agree with not giving a clout chaser such as butterballz any spotlight, and just focusing on truly understanding touge culture. They could learn a lot from your channel!
given the popularity of car media like F&F and Initial D, it was only a matter of time until kids like butterwheelz thought they could challenge and beat car youtubers to climb a non-existent touge hierarchy. would be a cute video idea for someone to go around accepting the challenges and doing timed solo runs on closed courses to see if there's anything behind their ridiculous claims in the comment section.
@@tholepin It would be a better idea for him to start titling his videos "Sunday drives" if he's sick of the unwanted attention. People cry and clamor for 90s street racing culture to come back yet they run and hide from it once someone or something threatens their idealistic and sanitized worldview of what they think it is.
im part of the og import tuner generation. i pulled up to fast and furious in my red rx-7. we had to learn drifting from untranslated or subtitled jdm videos and hitting the back roads with your crew. there are rules to this game. you have to respect other people on the road. you just gave me hope for the future
I’m 28 born in 94 and drive a 97 accord CD5 with plenty of mods lol My co worker was 19 and bought himself a Subaru wrx from 2001 then modified it to 400hp and blew up 4 different turbos lmao I like midnight runs on the highway and mountains while he literally just wants to race anyone.. all the time and goes to takeovers haha we don’t always hang out because our cultures are different but we still share our builds progress with each other and always hang out everytime we do something new and cool to our cars 😅 Edit: I once showed him a body kit for my accord I liked and he told me and I quote “your from that generation so I give you a pass” like damn bro 😂
@@jonathanpinckney9227 nah nothing wild that would require me to run spacers, he mostly trips when I say I like the decals graphics and two tone paint jobs especially 😂
Thats why I will forever say that being a real car enthusiast is still a small niche in a way. Does that make it cheaper in anyway? Hell no 😂 but all these “car guys” is literally just a trend. Its just dudes with fragile ass ego’s that think the whole world revolves around them and they get mad when they don’t get any attention. I really enjoy the videos because it shows a side of being a car enthusiast that is rarely shown on RUclips and I respect you guys for that. Keep the passion alive!
Yo! Subbed a few weeks ago because i recognized a lot of the roads you guys touge on. I've been driving those roads for 15+ years with 3 rules: 1. Dont go over 7/10 of your capability, anything more should be reserved for the track. Everyone's 7/10 will differ, so if you're slower, all good, just chill, dont chase, dont show off, be safe, and if you're faster, dont be so aggro or be an ass hole and make someone crash. 2. Dont double lane, ever, unless you have dedicated spotters 3. It's okay to just chill and cruise, especially if 3 or more cars are in the group. It's like riding motorcycles, you want everyone to live another day, you want everyone to have fun. You're completely right about ego, everybody has one, but some are too strong and some people project that shit to make themselves feel better, no matter the cost; either flexing a skill, car, money, etc. As for cheap ass cars outrunning or keeping up with $200k cars, i've personally seen it on multiple occasions on our touge, BUT everyone was humble about the interaction. Civics, S2000s, 240SXs, STIs, etc keeping up with or gapping GTRs and Porsches in the switchbacks. It happens. That guy bragging about it though, you're probably right, he probably overtook a weekend super car and thought he was bad ass, meanwhile the McLaren or Porsche driver is just like "wtf is wrong with that guy???" Lol. Anyway! Good on you addressing this, kudos for you. And here I thought the touge scene was dead in NorCal lol. Keep the content coming, be safe, stay out of trouble, and i intend to keep watching your content!
considering the Porsche GT3 comes with pro comp R2's the Porsche probably was just enjoying a "lightly spirited" drive, while the other guy was going ballz to the wall, GT3's are no joke and are practically a race car from factory. if the GT3 actually wanted to push and knew their car, not much would keep up with them. true some guys modify their cars and aero EXTREMELY well as evidenced on Misha's YT channel on the Nordschleife and can keep up with or even surpass the GT3, but it is extremely rare.
when you said that people just dont wanna do research anymore is so real, almost new "enthusiast" i encounter nowadays wants to shortcut everything they can. its just oversaturated and people are getting lazier and lazier
@@boss_tumyep. we got too many of those here in florida. it’s funny to see them get humbled by the $1000 shitboxes they talked smack about 5 minutes earlier
honestly id really imagine there were many types of people like this in the past too, just trying to flex their car or just trying to one up any driver driving on "their mountain". You can even argue they drove just as unsafe as butterwheelz does. its probably more touge than you think. at least thats my my opinion after watching initial D and Wagan Midnight LOLXD. Anyways it doesn't save him morally that he drives and acts in this way. Its really hard to get rid of bad apples and such, and it sucks that this situation even got to this point. You guys make some great content and it really takes me back to the kind of content i was watching years ago i.e illiminate and haggard. The Touge content is SICK AF! and its only been getting better. I see great leaps of quality driving and quality video content!
Kids man, the cars and driving yall do on this channel is better than the majority. Good taste, great content and wonderful editing! People won’t let others have fun and succeed doing it. Keep it up guys!
Im 35, was involved in my generations car scene. As a 22 year old(2010) my first car was a 2011 wrx hatchback(wrb) painted the stock wheels gold with a invidia n1 exhaust. Loved that car, but then got rear ended at 2017. I find it crazy because my subies lifespan matched up with my gens car scene timeline.
Absolutely right kid! I’ve been in the car seen since 1998 off and on Since 2010. Just got back into it in the amount of people that I see roll racing because they have all the money in the world to spend on $1000 car payment is insane. there’s one word that describes the car scene and that word is pretentious. Most people don’t follow motorsports, and at the end of the day that’s what the car scene is about the translation of motorsports into street culture. They’re not enthusiast because they have no enthusiasm for cars. And they have no enthusiasm for tuning cars. And they have no enthusiasm for customization. The access to fast cars now has made everybody pretentious. And what the hell is up with everybody being clicky. You go to the car meets and nobody wants to talk about anything unless you roll up with a supercharged muscle car or some big horsepower whip. I get just excited about a guy who does some cool stuff to his civic as I do to the Lambo that pulls up. But honestly I’m more into the dude that’s tuning his WRX than the guy that rolls through with his skyline. Because I know the kid with a WRX is putting in wrench time. Also, you can’t even talk about motorsports with anybody. Nobody knows anything people don’t even know what BTCC is… or DTM! They don’t know the difference between GTGT2 GT three GT four… It’s crazy to me. And when you go to the meet, nobody wants to talk to anybody else. They’re just looking around laughing at your build. Acting… Pretentious. Anybody that reads this look up the definition of that word and if you’re doing that and acting that way, just stop. it doesn’t matter how much horsepower you have… What matters is how you tune your vehicle to your driving style and how much you enjoy it. And all these bozos talking about how fast they drive can’t even tell you what camber is or toe or what sway bar does. Anybody can have a fast car but not everybody can drive. But more importantly, nobody enjoys the nuances of tuning. I love my 2 L turbo I could’ve got a S4 but I love the challenge and getting as much horsepower out of the 2 L as possible in the wrench time it takes to keep her running, right. Keep spreading the word…💪🏼
Agreed. Or the amount of people that have a really nice build, but did literally zero work on their "pride and joy". Just paid a shop $$$$ to build something thats 600+hp, then shitting on your 240hp budget RXi integra build.
@@blairedmonds6374 yeah it’s super annoying when you go try to talk to somebody with a really nice build and they know absolutely nothing about cars and have put in zero wrench time. They don’t watch any racing. They have absolutely no passion they just wanna have the fastest car at the meat to show off and have a social life I guess… And just look cool, like they really are living a lifestyle
First time watching your videos and you seem like a straight-up, polite, level-headed guy. Im part of the last-gen driving enthusiasts and the once or twice a year I check out local car meets, I hope to meet people like you, but it always seems like more of the opposite. I hope youre enjoying the journey and spread positivity
The car scene has always been evolving as new generations take it wherever they want, it is becoming more diverse and that can be a great thing. I don't agree with some trends but I do admire the work and dedication to the vision they are trying to accomplish. In the end you find those groups you like and don't worry about social media and their trends. That is different from car culture and I view it as a distraction. Ultimately being a "true automotive enthusiast" is a reflection of what one puts into it and their vision.
I had never seen a video of yours before but this video made me an instant fan, I’m happy to find another channel with similar views on the current car culture great vid man!
agree, people built cars for them and for enjoyment and performance, not for clout. now half the cars have no performance mods, lowered, on mags with doodoo exhaust system running a 100% stock engine and lucky to have a tune
(Old guy here) i remember the car scene before and after fast and furious came out and it was much like you described, as far as clowns on the internet they'll always be there mad props to you and your friends for having fun.
Agree with everything you are saying. Im the same way about meets. Honestly, I never been to a meet, but I just keep my circle small and with people I trust and enjoy to be around. I miss the crazy funny edits, but I like the state of the channel and the direction it is going.
While Butterball is an idiot. This video literally gives him what he wants. He's been living in your head that you had to make a video about him, man. LPT for people like this. Ignore them, and just keep ignoring them. It's that simple. They will eventually move on to their next fixation, and you can continue to focus on what you care most about. Acknowledging them like this, only fuels their fire. It emboldens them to keep doing what they're doing and even start taking it up a few notches because it shows that it works. Which in turn means you get to deal with the BS longer.
Im from the 2000-2010 scene, jo social media whatsoever as far as car meets....and it was great!!! That "retro" style uoure talkimg about is what I grew up with. I still drive 90s cars. Glad you guys are into cars in your generation as well.
Its possible to bring back certain parts of the old car scene in this timeframe but its most likely going to be a meets/ shows and or track days with friends who have good friends who are chill, level headed and a car enthusiasts at heart.
I met my car group 2 years ago and there is very little social media involved in it. They were very inviting and just want the few car guys in town to come together. We have a couple really neat builds going on in the group and we just show up to each other's places to help work on them or to borrow tools.
I represent the demographic of viewers who were of age in the car scene predominantly from 2001-2011. Things have changed drastically. Your take on it is very mature and aware. You would've fit in during that time period just fine. I believe social media did damage to the car scene and like you said, there's a lack of effort. People want to take the path of least resistance but acquire the accolades in the end.
The car game was better before social media, I remember having to drive around and find cars and meet people. People hearing about your sick build and having to creep by your house at night in their car to see what you where up to and see if they could get a glimpse of what you were up to. Idk I kinda liked the not know of it than all the post and everyone sees everything now
im 42 and back in the early 2000s you could build anything your imagination came up with and that was considered legit, when the term rice came out and internet became popular there became unwritten rules for builds and it really took alot of the uniqueness and fun away, also having jdm parts in late 90s was super hard to get and was usually big players in the game who had jdm parts which people wanted to mimic
The forum pages are way better than you tube, as the oldtimers are still active there and are able and willing to help you diagnose and solve specific problems. Also they seem to have a lot of detail information regarding especially older or rare and overlooked cars
I like to have a spirited drive every now and again, especially on my own little backroad. This one kid from my school wanted to challenge me, and I declined because I deadass thought he was gonna kill me honestly. I have respect for other people on the road and stay within my limits. Eventually, I wanna graduate to track days because I already have a basic understanding of performance driving to a degree. I also just want to further my ability to drive and learn driving techniques in a controlled scenario where I would be safer. I am working on saving for a helmet and an scca membership to run at track days at my local track. It's a super technical course, so I think I might have a slight upper hand there.
@@ADUSN 9.5 out 10 cars that are driven by the trustfund bunch are all auto and i bet that last 0.5 of the cars are driven by kids who dont even realize that their clutch is on its last legs from all the rough housing
I used to be a "it has to be JDM, rwd, manual and boosted or you're not a car enthusiast" I grew up. At 20 I got into Hondas, I was privileged enough to have lots of throw away money and trading cars with other car people so I've owned a lot of cars 60ish (some of these I owned for literally less than a week lmao) I've tried everything, 4x4, JDM, euro, Australian, American, from drift style cars (I'm shocking at drifting lmao) to show cars, to vintage classics, to daily beaters. I learnt to appreciate everything and found my favourite cars were Hondas. I'm 31 now and I drive a 2nd Gen crv and guess what, it's auto. My second car is a 2017 Toyota kluger glx. Both auto, both AWD, both low kilometres and fairly stock bar some minor tasteful aesthetic mods. The crv is a k24 and the kluger is a 2grfe. I love them, and as a new father they're perfect for my families needs, the Honda scratches my JDM itch while allowing me to have a practical adventure car with lots of aftermarket mods and the kluger is plenty of power etc as is. One day I'll buy another civic or Integra or prelude, manual k swapped and have that as a 'fun' car, but yeah. I learnt a long time ago what is and isn't counted as a car enthusiast and you'll find all these negative people have been there since day dot. Hell even in initial D the ae86 got shat on from the start. people love to project and be negative, you just have to ignore that and keep doing what YOU love even if others hate it, and you'll attract your own crowd. The only person that matters when it comes to liking your builds is you.
i’ve got a base model 2010 civic which i’ve poured so much money and time into. i put a turbo in it and let me tell you that’s the best way to tell who’s a real car guy and who isn’t. every time i take it to meets the real ones come up to me and talk to me about the car, they appreciate the work i’ve done to it and the unique build. meanwhile the fake ones just look at the engine and scoff because it’s not a generic 400hp k20 build
yea i guess im an old head now...pushin 40 grew up on the tail end of gen x, but i watched the scene grow with social media...it used to be rly underground when i was growing up it was invite only friend of friend word of mouth shit, now its crazy and every one is clout chasing or doing take overs and all the night meets get ruined with revving and burnouts adn every so often a wreck...... you got a good head on bro, ive met alot of kids comin up who are cool and got sense and i get to pass knowledge onto them its pretty dope
Ngl, I mean no hate on VW drivers. This is due to the small number of VW people who ruin the image for the whole brand. I noticed here in Australia that most times, a golf driver usually in their P-plates or in a golf R/RS goes past me or in a lane next to me at a traffic light they always rev off like as if they want to race. (I have no interest in doing any of that when I am on public roads) I don't even bother and just take off from traffic lights as I usually would do and see the golf person zoom off a little then back off till they are at the same speed as I am and proceed to constantly crackle and pop near me. In most cases against P-plater golf drivers, I barely even try to take off from a traffic light on low-mid revs and look back to see the golf back behind, a few meters down the road the golf driver will then dangerously push their car over what must be 2x over the speed limit and swerve aggressively from lane to lane to get far ahead... Again, with crackle and pop exhaust replacements. Not sure why this happens, but I only drive an Alfa Guilietta which is not flashy but I appreciate for its exceptional handling and feel while driving (In my opinion). Now when I see golf drivers I assume to know what type of person they are that are egotistical drivers who will get butt hurt over being "beaten" in a normal commute and think their car is the best car on the road. My respect for golf drivers is tarnished thanks to these hoonigans.
Car enthusiast in Japan here. I moved to Japan 3 years ago, and was blown away by the car scene here. I started off with a cheap $3k is350, later bought an ST205, and finally an MR-S. I don't make that many posts on my channel or Instagram. Looking back at the car scene in the US via Instagram/discord and holy crap I feel like everything has gone down hill. Even the touge scene has been bloated with dumbasses, especially last year's Touge Fest. Multiple of my friends back in the states have been moving away from touge and doing more track events.
What I dislike about most car enthusiasts nowadays is that almost all of them want crazy builds all for the purpose of looking cool and being popular. I can't lie, I also love watching these insane builds of V8 swapped Teslas and Offroad Lambos. I kind of miss having a personal connection with vehicles, even if they're unknown shitboxes or the Supras and R34s of the world. I grew up loving cars with my brother and my dad. I've always been working with them on our family car and going to autoshows, meets, and even track days. I grew up reading the little booklet you get for buying the special edition of Gran Turismo 6. I grew up studying how they worked, the history of each component and how they came to be, learning the amazing stories attached to certain cars. I almost went into Automotive Engineering for college just because of how much I love cars. I personally could care less about going fast; as long as I'm having fun, feeling cool, and, at the very least, getting my knuckles greased up and my back getting dirty working on these amazing machines.
I honestly don’t even go on the touge anymore too many people drive like shit and they do it during broad daylight. I either go to the track or just hard park with friends in a parking lot now 😅
I haven’t been watching for long, but I love your videos. I love your energy your vibe and you’re right. A lot of people are in this game wanna claim to be enthusiast when they’re not willing to do any research or learn new things about this? I’m one of the last millennials born and me watching the car community change literally right before my eyes. It scares me sometimes. Locators talk their shit let the uneducated be dumb.
I think that some of this is true, one thing that stuck out to me is no one has really hated on me, maybe its because i dont pay attention and i like doing what i like, my cars are both slow but i like to drive them way i like to, i like to make them look the way i like, ppl seem to respect that
Funny that from your perspective information of cars is more readily available than ever. From my perspective, as one of those ‘prior generation’ of enthusiasts, it’s far more difficult to find any detailed and reliable information without active forums. One example. I recently asked on several FB groups what the size (mm) of the oem dc2 type r non abs steering wheel is. I got no hood answers. A few guesses. Then the post was quickly lost in favor of people posting pictures in front of autozone etc. In the forum days, such questions would have been met with dozens of detailed posts with pictures. So, yes, some information is more readily available than others. But my experience is that anything remotely specific is much more difficult to track down than ever. This is probably also a reflection of the interests and possibilities of enthusiasts now. As regulations become increasingly strict, enthusiasts are forced to resort to largely aesthetic modifications, leaving few relative ‘mechanical’ enthusiasts.
I'm relatively new to cars but honestly to even claim there was a car scene at all is sort of ridiculous. There are people that are interested in mechanics and then there are people that are interested in aesthetics. But both are not mutually exclusive. That being said there are communities of people that like specific models of cars that have forms dedicated to them in which most of these forms are dead and you can no longer to find any information about them. I would argue it's actually harder now because most of the members aren't there anymore to ask questions to. And it's even harder so when you're trying to do something rare that isn't a 2JZ or something that has been majorly overhyped and cost thousands of dollars to build. People like to just dump money into their cars without any taste or attempt at budgeting because whatever their building is so popular that you barely need to do any research about it. The over hype of the Japanese cars reliability and customizability is extremely accessible to the average person or most likely the mechanic shop that they have to take it to and they're more willing to work on it because they'll know that they can make more money off of it and that it's way easier to work on and they don't have to rely on dead forums for rare or obscure engine platforms. As much as people shit on V8 LS it's probably the cheapest option even compared to a Honda VTEC which people have overhyped so much to this point one of these engines costing almost $3,000. Not including all the turbos and whatnot you got to add to it to make it actually make any meaningful power.
All I know is I can build a entire 2jz or rb20 in my mind way easier than a LS because of the very specific and sometimes obscure information even though the LS is very popular there's still dead forums and links that some RUclips channels failed to mention in their LS builds. But 2jz build videos have more detail and clarity than a medical diagram and basically endless forum support. Unless you have a fundamental understanding of universal engine mechanics it's very difficult to modify engines that are relatively obscure. Or pay big money to have someone do it for you, but because no one has really done it they're probably going to charge you more than they would if you had just bought an expensive engine that has more acclaim. I have had endless trouble finding very specific information about certain engines. Basically the cars or engines that cost a lot of money are the ones that people dedicate forums to the most because they have so much money sunk into them they that they can't afford not to for the sake of them or their mechanic ease of access. Unless the cars or engines have just sheer production numbers on their side like mustangs where so many people have them that there's so many people in the forums trying to maintaining them information is always readily available just like parts for them.
Everything you have said in this video is so true. Forums, mods, flamewars, yes cars are fashion and tuner cars are fashion for fringe ppl that think they know cars. Its just sad af. As someone thats been in meets and clubs since 1998.. ugh today is just for the NPCs of life that just think every 2j is 1000hp... skylines are everything. Its sad.. its fancy handbag culture. So good to hear ur mature angle on things.. maybe there is hope for the 'scene'.
Craziest thing about comparing butter wheels to takumi is that of I recall correctly even takumi made sure that he didn't hit a another driver by only drifting on a road that was rarely used by anyone and at the time when the fewest amount of people were on that road only getting discovered when he went on the road right at the time some tuners organized a race on that road
Bro the car scene is not cool anymore bro I had to Deal with the same situation in my school, I go to uti in Bloomfield and these kids all care about cutting up, flame tunes, take overs and racing, there’s no more culture to it no more bro. Like you said I keep to my own little group to we race up in the mountains and cutting the mustard up there is a no go bro, it’s s bunch of testosterone fueled meat heads
And yk what’s funny those are the same people who had no interest in it before are now trying to fit in because of the attention it gives,not for the love of it. (Talking bout cars in general),
@@johno_Wick that’s true bro preach, they do it for all the clout not even for the cars. Like the common thing now is beating up g35 coupes. Bro before when I was like 14 I loved those coupes I still do but people ruined it man 🥲🥲🥲
When I got my AW11 MR2 I didn't know too much about it but I did my research on it and had to dive into the forums to find stuff out about it and now im most likely about to earn a second AW11 to save from rotting out
That's my biggest issue people don't treat these cars with the respect they need, they mod them to all shit with shitty ebay parts and then you see listings on facebook marketplace of these old rotting and dead rusty integra's and Celica's and its seriously sad. I'm honestly unsure where to even look to buy a nice well kept older 90s japanese coupe anymore. I guess importing is an option but that is very expensive. and stuff like bringatrailer/hemmings/autotrader classic all of those cars are so over priced. Just feels like a really bad time to be a JDM fan. I honestly am hoping that maybe with the spike in popularity with JDM we can maybe see toyota or mazda kicking out some new cars that respike the old 90s JDM golden age.
I meet up with a group of older guys every Saturday. Its nice, we all have good jobs in the automotive industry. About 20-40 of us each meet and cruise. None of us post our cars on social media. We didnt buy them for acceptance and clout, we bought them for ourselves.
even tho alot has changed i went to a fairly big car meet in September of 2023 and everysingle car was modified execpt a tahoe and a alfa romeo guilia and the cars looked like they came out of Fast and furious and that got me back into cars and mainly car modding i wish to someday bring a modded car to one of thoose shows
Speaking of ancient relics, a 65 yr old here. Why, back in my day, my fast car was a 1967 Cutlass with the factory high performance 330 with 325 horsepower. Fast forward to the present day and my stock Miata NC is considered slow, but it's actually faster in a straight line than the old Cutlass. Needless to say, it's better in every other way as well - well, ok, maybe not trunk space.
as a 17 year old, i agree with you, back then like early 2010s, before i was even in school, the car scene was one of the coolest things ever and i myself still prefer that than whatever we have now. everyone was nice and chill till now we got douchebags. i remember the drifting scene being amazing too like the mixed color bright wheels, everything was on point. i even still appreciate hondas to this day thx to my cousin who has had me around hondas for my entire life and showed me the good side of them too. i wish we can relive the same era that the car scene used to be
Would ever be interested in coming to Bakersfield CA and doing some touges there. We have COUPLE of good roads that I would love to run with you! I also have a white DB8 Integra (work in progress) and it would be dope to have a DC2 AND a DB8 running together.
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As a 23 year old car guy, gotta say... I just like cars. Not interested in racing or arguing with people, I just like cars. Fast cars, slow cars, trucks, etc. I just think cars are cool.
same bro cars r just cool. no need to have an argument over.
As the car gods intended, brother.
trueeee
every body has their own interests when it comes to cars and having that ability to respect everybody within the car community is few and far between
so keep on trucking and Respect those within the car community even when you do disagree
Amen to that
I’ll smoke all of you on the togay 😤 (all of my cars are blown up or broken btw and I have to take the bus to work)
Didn’t an accord on tires overtake you on 9 genuine question pls don’t hurt me like seikers🤚
@@gabrielmelgar129Oki !
@@gabrielmelgar129probably, a lot of cars pass me! I’m not a fast driver I’m just out for funsies 🫡
@@gabrielmelgar129 it really isnt that deep bro
@@TsuchiFD I say that to every South Bay guy I meet just a default of mine sick builds tho
I’m 40 now. Grew up with Hondas. The mid to late 90’s and early 2000’s car meets were different. No one did stupid burn outs and rev offs. Car clubs were actually cool and you didn’t get into a car club unless you had a sick/fast car. Everything else was regular traffic. You would never catch a stock car at a meet.
I agree burnouts are a low iq move nice mk5 supra/bmw my broke ahh couldn't afford one😂
@@biffjfk18 keep grinding brother. I started with a 89 honda accord. 🫡
You can still do this, just dont accept any random guy into a group.
I’m 39, I agree, it’s not just the car community, everyone these days, I mean I seen a dude with a built Lexus more then 100k of extra work done to it but he couldn’t tell me a single thing about any of the specs, or how he got the carbon fiber to look like that in the trunk and dash, or how the butterfly doors actually work, or how the nitros purge was hooked up.
Second, where the world he come up with that to blow on a Toyota with an L on it. 😂
@@touayaaj84 89 accord LX was my first car a a couple years ago, i miss that thing and i regret selling it :/
What kinda name is butterwheelz 💀💀💀
butterwheels makes it look like he can't really control his cars because it keeps understeering
He'd do terrible on a track.
He’d spin out half the time
@@Komarske yes
Sounds like someone who can’t grip for shit lmao
No but for real all my cars are blown I hope I can drive with y’all soon! 😃
FD officially out of commission?
This would be the Ultimate 360POV RUclips collaboration we didn’t know we need 😮🤝🏽
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We need this more than you think!!!!!!!
we want a battle, not a spirited drive!
Dude without the old forum pages from the early 2000s I would never had been able to boost my d16 on my own. So sad to see them fading away.
Acurazine is still VERY MUCH alive.
They're still very useful imo
@@aspecreviews VWVortex has helped me so many times
A lot of the Honda forums are still around. I'm on Honda-Tech, DriveAccord, V6Performance, and FitFreak. Still plenty of good shit there on top of the archive of old builds.
Some have moved mostly over to discord, I’m in one for crown vics and the discord is very active while the forum site is much less so.
To me, i separate “enthusiasts” into two categories. “Car enthusiasts:” people who are more into the social media presence, appearance, lifestyle, trendy mods, surface level appreciation for cars; and then “driving enthusiasts:” people who appreciate a car not necessarily for its looks or what era it’s from, but for how it makes the driver feel, people who value function over form, people who understand and appreciate the effort that owners put into their cars to build them truly for themselves and not for social media influence, people who consistently attend their respective car events whether that’s a local autocross group, grassroots drifting, Friday night cruises, drag racing, etc. Those people are the same people that can be a hardcore drag racer and show up at an autocross and be totally stoked by a 90hp Miata crushing cones because that’s where that type of car truly shines.
Could I be a dravieg entutisas even tho I am 12 and like suzuki mehrans
This makes me miss the old days of having and working on my 86 and the community that was in my area. Thing didn't run right until much later but I had and was given/gave so much help from/to my fellow 86 owners. All the old heads were just happy to see young blood be so passionate about building and working on their own cars.
i turned from a car enthusiast to a driving enthusiast overnight. when i first got my subaru i wanted to do all the dumb typical mods like slamming it, expensive 3 piece wheels, flush fitment, you know the basic starterpack type beat, but then i actually drove my car for the first time on a windy road and all those thoughts just completely dissipated. now im building my car for pure handling over power and aesthetics. first mods i did were swaybars, poly bushings, chassis bracing tires ect, because its hilarious pulling away from high hp cars in the mountains with a stock looking car lol
i don't fully agree with you. cars are much more than a driver's tool. i call myself a car enthusiast bc i like everything about cars. their history, different purposes, designs and everything that revolves around it. surface level car enthusiasts are just carclout chasers
I guess i'd be the car enthousiast i like wrenching more than driving crazy engine swaps make my monkey brain happy. Stuff like project binky on youtube is my jam.
I grew up in the muscle car era and have been around them all my life. Old Boomer now with a couple of Corvettes. I hope the government lets you all carry on the tradition. Be safe young men .
Thanks man, you paved the way for us OG. And honestly, nothing beats that V8 idle chop imo
I am a member of the next generation of muscle car enthusiasts. Its not really a muscle car but I'm fixing up a '88 Firebird right now. Its my first project car. I admire the shit you guys had back in the day. All these cars are unobtainum for most young people now because of the prices. 69-72 Chevelles, 70 GTOs n everything. I wish we wouldn't get slowly priced out of our own hobby. Btw. May I ask what kind of Vettes you have?
@@nicksspeedshop8664 Sure. I have a nice 96 LT4 and a 13 grand Sport real 60th anniversary package. My first car was a 69 SS Chevelle and my second was a 69 ram air IV GTO. Wish I had them back.
Based boomer
@@williamcricket7931 Damn right. 100%
Guys like butterwheelz make me want to keep to myself when it comes to cars
Same, why I don’t post on insta coz ppl gonna hate u no matter what
Yeap just do your own thing man. I walked away from the whole car community and it's toxic bs. 20+ years of helping people out etc. Just get used. Jealousy etc.
People in general suck. Lol
Just do your thing bro. For you.
@@saltysweatyhandsyeah same here
I keep to myself anyways, most car shows and meets suck anymore anyways, although I always kept to myself for most part, I will talk to guys sure, but I personally no interest in going out anymore, going to shows, or anything, I just prefer to be with my family do some other hobbies like fishing.
Butters gives me shingo vibes…😹😹😹
MF gonna harass seikers trying to do a one handed race 😂
comparing an aggressive and assertive fictional to a keyboard warrior that's low...
He does look like a initial D villain lmao
Don't insult Shingo like that
But at least Shingo is somewhat likeable
2:30 lol I still find my self using forums the most. Seems like the best info is in those
if only those photobucket images actually still worked, I find myself nearing the magnum opus of resolving something and BAM "check the photo for the wiring"
they call him butterwheelz because he can’t control the car☠️
the one dislike is butterwheelz
I truly am glad to see the response of people on this video. I feel like we are all on the same page and are all into cars because we are actually enthusiasts. Remember we can be the best drivers on the touge but it only takes one major mistake to lose it all, Drive safe and Drive hard🤙
So true
bro he take no risks, ive seen a video of him on touge he cruises
@ 35mph on an open straight away, hes quite clearly an average park n chill enjoyer
@@Teambashofficialnothing wrong with not risking your life for no reason 😭 park n chill dudes are way cooler than the dbags who think it’s cool to endanger everyone around them
@@introtosun4471 He had a picture where he parked his car on a local touge road that is a known road for driving fast on just to take a few pictures of his car so technically he is endangering people by doing that so get your facts straight bud 😂😂
@@introtosun4471 he could have parked and took pictures on one of the many turnouts that the road has but decided to park right in the middle of the road on a blind turn make that make sense
I’m glad u addressed this, however I have a feeling that this video is exactly what he was looking for-attention. Regardless, the dude gained literally nothing from this discourse😭 just made everyone upset for nothing
the real enthusiasts are all inside, playing videogames
Yep lol.
I've owned 10x V8 commodores now, 8 have been SS`s.
I now have a 6 speed manual, ls3 SS in black on black.
Aaaand you'll probably find me on my CSL DD Sim setup with my car in the driveway.
Learned how to drive I cars.
Learned how to drift on AC
Sad but true
Honestly you give me drew peacock vibes, you feel the modern car scene isn’t the best and you choose to do your own thing, I respect it, I wish your channel had more subscribers, but i’ll add to the count
“Babe! Wake up Seekers uploaded!”
Hey I hope that I’m not too late to be commenting on this video! But yes I have noticed a shift within the car culture.
I do remember getting into cars at a young age from being influenced by watching some auto racing and playing racing games like Need for Speed. I have also have seen both ends of the car scenes. Both ones that are chill and laid back, while also ones that are more flamboyant and sexy. Of course nothing too over the top.
But as we know the more that one particular kind of culture becomes more popular, the more that shady people become a part of it from doing renegade things to general toxicity. Anything that one person would get attention on social media.
Sometimes I do feel guilty of being apart of the whole culture of cars, especially when people go way over the top to get clout. But one thing is that, it never stopped me from loving cars and admiring the art from some of the builds and paint jobs some of these people spent a lot of money on to get to how it came to be.
I’ll always love cars and auto racing. But sometimes I do worry about the future generation of the car culture for how it will be. I guess it’s up to our generation to make shape of it for the better. At least I hope so anyways.
I can appreciate the hustle you guys put into your content creation, so if I may I'd like to give my €0,02 on why you may be getting this backlash recentlty. This is coming from a guy who just wants people to get along. TL;DR it comes down to authenticity and community engagement.
When you choose a subject to revolve your content around (in this case touge / touge battles), there's the implication that you are either highly familiar with that subject, or are interested enough immerse yourself and learn more. For touge or canyon drivers, the social aspect is a huge part of the experience, not just the technical parts. It is common practice for people to ask randoms on the mountain for a drive as a way to connect and share that experience. From word-of-mouth, you are building a reputation as the guy who declines peoples' offer to drive together. Not usually a problem for others, but as a video creator that falls into the "touge" category this will be seen as disingenuous even if your intents are good. Of course you're not expected to reply to every single person, but realize that having people reach out to you for driving is really a blessing that's taken for granted in modern era.
People will have a hard time understanding why you choose not to drive with others. Connecting with and showcasing drivers who have high competency levels in their respective platforms and roads is a treat for your viewers. It also gives more introspective that you can share with your audience. And content creation aside, people are just out there to see friends and meet new drivers. With these activities out the picture, more knowledgeable viewers will assume that you're using "touge" and "touge battle" in your titles for SEO and views, rather than a celebration of a culture subset. Regardless,it does create a misrepresentation of the abilities of people deep in the culture, something that is already incredibly difficult to change public perception.
Now personally I don't think you intent to misrepresent anybody. Just a little more connection with the scene is the enough to understand each other. The vibe in person is always gonna be better than on social media. You're already killing it with your consistency and creativity regardless of the touge metatags. Wishing well for y'all, Love your day 💛
You've been in the scene for years man, one of the OGs on here. Definitely understand your perspective, but can also sympathize with Seikers as well. Touge has a spectrum of enthusiasts; There is not just one way to do things. Some people race everyone and everything, while others just race friends for the fun of it. These touge battles are new, and as with time should get better, just how yours did back in the mid 2010s. So I say let them experiment and post whatever the heck they want. But I agree with not giving a clout chaser such as butterballz any spotlight, and just focusing on truly understanding touge culture. They could learn a lot from your channel!
given the popularity of car media like F&F and Initial D, it was only a matter of time until kids like butterwheelz thought they could challenge and beat car youtubers to climb a non-existent touge hierarchy. would be a cute video idea for someone to go around accepting the challenges and doing timed solo runs on closed courses to see if there's anything behind their ridiculous claims in the comment section.
Ridge hitting the nail on the head
@@tholepin It would be a better idea for him to start titling his videos "Sunday drives" if he's sick of the unwanted attention. People cry and clamor for 90s street racing culture to come back yet they run and hide from it once someone or something threatens their idealistic and sanitized worldview of what they think it is.
@@nyctereute9118 Very well put 💯
Bro made a 15 minute diss track and disguised it as a psa
im part of the og import tuner generation. i pulled up to fast and furious in my red rx-7. we had to learn drifting from untranslated or subtitled jdm videos and hitting the back roads with your crew. there are rules to this game. you have to respect other people on the road. you just gave me hope for the future
I’m 28 born in 94 and drive a 97 accord CD5 with plenty of mods lol
My co worker was 19 and bought himself a Subaru wrx from 2001 then modified it to 400hp and blew up 4 different turbos lmao
I like midnight runs on the highway and mountains while he literally just wants to race anyone.. all the time and goes to takeovers haha we don’t always hang out because our cultures are different but we still share our builds progress with each other and always hang out everytime we do something new and cool to our cars 😅
Edit: I once showed him a body kit for my accord I liked and he told me and I quote “your from that generation so I give you a pass” like damn bro 😂
Big body kit, tuner era looking thing?
@@jonathanpinckney9227 nah nothing wild that would require me to run spacers, he mostly trips when I say I like the decals graphics and two tone paint jobs especially 😂
@@Satori_Hishumetse I like the decals, too, but I also like how they went, "yeah, how kustom can we do this ride?"
Thats why I will forever say that being a real car enthusiast is still a small niche in a way. Does that make it cheaper in anyway? Hell no 😂 but all these “car guys” is literally just a trend. Its just dudes with fragile ass ego’s that think the whole world revolves around them and they get mad when they don’t get any attention. I really enjoy the videos because it shows a side of being a car enthusiast that is rarely shown on RUclips and I respect you guys for that. Keep the passion alive!
Bro is spittin
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Yo! Subbed a few weeks ago because i recognized a lot of the roads you guys touge on.
I've been driving those roads for 15+ years with 3 rules:
1. Dont go over 7/10 of your capability, anything more should be reserved for the track. Everyone's 7/10 will differ, so if you're slower, all good, just chill, dont chase, dont show off, be safe, and if you're faster, dont be so aggro or be an ass hole and make someone crash.
2. Dont double lane, ever, unless you have dedicated spotters
3. It's okay to just chill and cruise, especially if 3 or more cars are in the group. It's like riding motorcycles, you want everyone to live another day, you want everyone to have fun.
You're completely right about ego, everybody has one, but some are too strong and some people project that shit to make themselves feel better, no matter the cost; either flexing a skill, car, money, etc.
As for cheap ass cars outrunning or keeping up with $200k cars, i've personally seen it on multiple occasions on our touge, BUT everyone was humble about the interaction. Civics, S2000s, 240SXs, STIs, etc keeping up with or gapping GTRs and Porsches in the switchbacks. It happens. That guy bragging about it though, you're probably right, he probably overtook a weekend super car and thought he was bad ass, meanwhile the McLaren or Porsche driver is just like "wtf is wrong with that guy???" Lol.
Anyway! Good on you addressing this, kudos for you. And here I thought the touge scene was dead in NorCal lol. Keep the content coming, be safe, stay out of trouble, and i intend to keep watching your content!
considering the Porsche GT3 comes with pro comp R2's the Porsche probably was just enjoying a "lightly spirited" drive, while the other guy was going ballz to the wall, GT3's are no joke and are practically a race car from factory. if the GT3 actually wanted to push and knew their car, not much would keep up with them. true some guys modify their cars and aero EXTREMELY well as evidenced on Misha's YT channel on the Nordschleife and can keep up with or even surpass the GT3, but it is extremely rare.
butter face on butter wheels
My car is a piece of shit, but I still love it. I know very little about cars so I stick to my own lane. Love your take on life.
when you said that people just dont wanna do research anymore is so real, almost new "enthusiast" i encounter nowadays wants to shortcut everything they can. its just oversaturated and people are getting lazier and lazier
We’re not allowed to call people spoiled anymore because people think it’s “bullying”. spoiled kids runnin this shit now
who
@@Vivek.Clips2024 people parents buy them an expensive car and they show off and tell people they paid for it and call other people broke
Facts
@@boss_tumyep. we got too many of those here in florida. it’s funny to see them get humbled by the $1000 shitboxes they talked smack about 5 minutes earlier
honestly id really imagine there were many types of people like this in the past too, just trying to flex their car or just trying to one up any driver driving on "their mountain". You can even argue they drove just as unsafe as butterwheelz does. its probably more touge than you think. at least thats my my opinion after watching initial D and Wagan Midnight LOLXD.
Anyways it doesn't save him morally that he drives and acts in this way. Its really hard to get rid of bad apples and such, and it sucks that this situation even got to this point. You guys make some great content and it really takes me back to the kind of content i was watching years ago i.e illiminate and haggard.
The Touge content is SICK AF! and its only been getting better. I see great leaps of quality driving and quality video content!
Seikers is twisting the way things happened, and he’s slow asf that’s why we clowned on him
@@awdfabu5687 what are you even talking about… 🤦♂️
@@Pandaiian read my normal comment and it’ll make a lot of sense
the whole situation is a massive bruh moment from people who are so desperate to prove they're better than others
That behavior comes from personal insecurities.
Kids man, the cars and driving yall do on this channel is better than the majority. Good taste, great content and wonderful editing! People won’t let others have fun and succeed doing it. Keep it up guys!
Im 35, was involved in my generations car scene. As a 22 year old(2010) my first car was a 2011 wrx hatchback(wrb) painted the stock wheels gold with a invidia n1 exhaust. Loved that car, but then got rear ended at 2017. I find it crazy because my subies lifespan matched up with my gens car scene timeline.
Absolutely right kid! I’ve been in the car seen since 1998 off and on Since 2010. Just got back into it in the amount of people that I see roll racing because they have all the money in the world to spend on $1000 car payment is insane. there’s one word that describes the car scene and that word is pretentious.
Most people don’t follow motorsports, and at the end of the day that’s what the car scene is about the translation of motorsports into street culture. They’re not enthusiast because they have no enthusiasm for cars. And they have no enthusiasm for tuning cars. And they have no enthusiasm for customization. The access to fast cars now has made everybody pretentious. And what the hell is up with everybody being clicky. You go to the car meets and nobody wants to talk about anything unless you roll up with a supercharged muscle car or some big horsepower whip. I get just excited about a guy who does some cool stuff to his civic as I do to the Lambo that pulls up. But honestly I’m more into the dude that’s tuning his WRX than the guy that rolls through with his skyline. Because I know the kid with a WRX is putting in wrench time. Also, you can’t even talk about motorsports with anybody. Nobody knows anything people don’t even know what BTCC is… or DTM! They don’t know the difference between GTGT2 GT three GT four… It’s crazy to me. And when you go to the meet, nobody wants to talk to anybody else. They’re just looking around laughing at your build. Acting… Pretentious. Anybody that reads this look up the definition of that word and if you’re doing that and acting that way, just stop. it doesn’t matter how much horsepower you have… What matters is how you tune your vehicle to your driving style and how much you enjoy it. And all these bozos talking about how fast they drive can’t even tell you what camber is or toe or what sway bar does. Anybody can have a fast car but not everybody can drive. But more importantly, nobody enjoys the nuances of tuning. I love my 2 L turbo I could’ve got a S4 but I love the challenge and getting as much horsepower out of the 2 L as possible in the wrench time it takes to keep her running, right. Keep spreading the word…💪🏼
👏👏👏 I love your speach.
Agreed. Or the amount of people that have a really nice build, but did literally zero work on their "pride and joy". Just paid a shop $$$$ to build something thats 600+hp, then shitting on your 240hp budget RXi integra build.
@@blairedmonds6374 yeah it’s super annoying when you go try to talk to somebody with a really nice build and they know absolutely nothing about cars and have put in zero wrench time. They don’t watch any racing. They have absolutely no passion they just wanna have the fastest car at the meat to show off and have a social life I guess… And just look cool, like they really are living a lifestyle
First time watching your videos and you seem like a straight-up, polite, level-headed guy. Im part of the last-gen driving enthusiasts and the once or twice a year I check out local car meets, I hope to meet people like you, but it always seems like more of the opposite. I hope youre enjoying the journey and spread positivity
Things are getting out of control and I fell that started with social media. Years ago everything seemed fine, no egos... Thanks for the video :D
As long as you having fun doesn’t matter what people say keep doing you don’t let them get to your head 👍🏾💯
Love you guys content 🙏🏿 it comes off really authentic 💪🏾💪🏾 keep up the good work guys !
bros just has a crush on you.
The car scene has always been evolving as new generations take it wherever they want, it is becoming more diverse and that can be a great thing. I don't agree with some trends but I do admire the work and dedication to the vision they are trying to accomplish. In the end you find those groups you like and don't worry about social media and their trends. That is different from car culture and I view it as a distraction. Ultimately being a "true automotive enthusiast" is a reflection of what one puts into it and their vision.
already knew what this was about by the title. nothing but love ❤
I had never seen a video of yours before but this video made me an instant fan, I’m happy to find another channel with similar views on the current car culture great vid man!
Why does Butterwheelz have a K24 Miata, but he doesn’t even have any eyebrows? 😂
Started going to car meets in 2005. Absolute best times of my life. Pre social media car meets were elite.
agree, people built cars for them and for enjoyment and performance, not for clout. now half the cars have no performance mods, lowered, on mags with doodoo exhaust system running a 100% stock engine and lucky to have a tune
vintage (1920-1939) cars are still all on forums, we rarely reach outside of Forums and boomers on Facebook
Went to EDC this weekend thanks for asking, also bring back the car scene i grew up wanting to be apart of
(Old guy here) i remember the car scene before and after fast and furious came out and it was much like you described, as far as clowns on the internet they'll always be there mad props to you and your friends for having fun.
Agree with everything you are saying. Im the same way about meets. Honestly, I never been to a meet, but I just keep my circle small and with people I trust and enjoy to be around.
I miss the crazy funny edits, but I like the state of the channel and the direction it is going.
While Butterball is an idiot.
This video literally gives him what he wants. He's been living in your head that you had to make a video about him, man.
LPT for people like this. Ignore them, and just keep ignoring them. It's that simple. They will eventually move on to their next fixation, and you can continue to focus on what you care most about. Acknowledging them like this, only fuels their fire. It emboldens them to keep doing what they're doing and even start taking it up a few notches because it shows that it works. Which in turn means you get to deal with the BS longer.
Im from the 2000-2010 scene, jo social media whatsoever as far as car meets....and it was great!!! That "retro" style uoure talkimg about is what I grew up with. I still drive 90s cars. Glad you guys are into cars in your generation as well.
Its possible to bring back certain parts of the old car scene in this timeframe but its most likely going to be a meets/ shows and or track days with friends who have good friends who are chill, level headed and a car enthusiasts at heart.
people like this is why i want to keep my g37 stock. I'm sick of people thinking I want to race them.
I met my car group 2 years ago and there is very little social media involved in it. They were very inviting and just want the few car guys in town to come together. We have a couple really neat builds going on in the group and we just show up to each other's places to help work on them or to borrow tools.
I represent the demographic of viewers who were of age in the car scene predominantly from 2001-2011. Things have changed drastically. Your take on it is very mature and aware. You would've fit in during that time period just fine. I believe social media did damage to the car scene and like you said, there's a lack of effort. People want to take the path of least resistance but acquire the accolades in the end.
Cringe
@@Max-oh8lwyea the whole behavior is cringe. it’s like they want all the sponsors and cool racing clubs with no cars or any skill at all.
The car game was better before social media, I remember having to drive around and find cars and meet people. People hearing about your sick build and having to creep by your house at night in their car to see what you where up to and see if they could get a glimpse of what you were up to. Idk I kinda liked the not know of it than all the post and everyone sees everything now
im 42 and back in the early 2000s you could build anything your imagination came up with and that was considered legit, when the term rice came out and internet became popular there became unwritten rules for builds and it really took alot of the uniqueness and fun away, also having jdm parts in late 90s was super hard to get and was usually big players in the game who had jdm parts which people wanted to mimic
Spoke alot of facts in this video keep going bro you got alot of potential
bro got insecure because he couldn't race a youtuber and went to being racist because he ran out of attention points
The forum pages are way better than you tube, as the oldtimers are still active there and are able and willing to help you diagnose and solve specific problems. Also they seem to have a lot of detail information regarding especially older or rare and overlooked cars
20 years ago I loved hitting backroads in my FD. Still doing it now
shoutout to seikers for staying cool. on another note, i'm looking to get an fa5 soon so i'm looking forward to that :D
this really needs to be sent out there to everyone.
I like to have a spirited drive every now and again, especially on my own little backroad. This one kid from my school wanted to challenge me, and I declined because I deadass thought he was gonna kill me honestly. I have respect for other people on the road and stay within my limits. Eventually, I wanna graduate to track days because I already have a basic understanding of performance driving to a degree. I also just want to further my ability to drive and learn driving techniques in a controlled scenario where I would be safer. I am working on saving for a helmet and an scca membership to run at track days at my local track. It's a super technical course, so I think I might have a slight upper hand there.
if flexing automatic cars was banned in America the car scene would shit a brick and implode overnight
Nah
@@Callmedrain yuh
Not even auto, just expensive. Car scene is all look at me, I have big payments or daddy's money
@@ADUSN 9.5 out 10 cars that are driven by the trustfund bunch are all auto and i bet that last 0.5 of the cars are driven by kids who dont even realize that their clutch is on its last legs from all the rough housing
@@sigged "only real car enthusiasts drive manual" energy
I used to be a "it has to be JDM, rwd, manual and boosted or you're not a car enthusiast" I grew up. At 20 I got into Hondas, I was privileged enough to have lots of throw away money and trading cars with other car people so I've owned a lot of cars 60ish (some of these I owned for literally less than a week lmao) I've tried everything, 4x4, JDM, euro, Australian, American, from drift style cars (I'm shocking at drifting lmao) to show cars, to vintage classics, to daily beaters. I learnt to appreciate everything and found my favourite cars were Hondas. I'm 31 now and I drive a 2nd Gen crv and guess what, it's auto. My second car is a 2017 Toyota kluger glx. Both auto, both AWD, both low kilometres and fairly stock bar some minor tasteful aesthetic mods. The crv is a k24 and the kluger is a 2grfe. I love them, and as a new father they're perfect for my families needs, the Honda scratches my JDM itch while allowing me to have a practical adventure car with lots of aftermarket mods and the kluger is plenty of power etc as is.
One day I'll buy another civic or Integra or prelude, manual k swapped and have that as a 'fun' car, but yeah. I learnt a long time ago what is and isn't counted as a car enthusiast and you'll find all these negative people have been there since day dot. Hell even in initial D the ae86 got shat on from the start. people love to project and be negative, you just have to ignore that and keep doing what YOU love even if others hate it, and you'll attract your own crowd. The only person that matters when it comes to liking your builds is you.
Your philtrum is incredibly long, and I respect that. A true track driver.
This is my first video I've seen from you but you Def got my follow
Cant believe its not butter 🧈
Jacob truly has no enemies 🙏🏼
i’ve got a base model 2010 civic which i’ve poured so much money and time into. i put a turbo in it and let me tell you that’s the best way to tell who’s a real car guy and who isn’t. every time i take it to meets the real ones come up to me and talk to me about the car, they appreciate the work i’ve done to it and the unique build. meanwhile the fake ones just look at the engine and scoff because it’s not a generic 400hp k20 build
yea i guess im an old head now...pushin 40 grew up on the tail end of gen x, but i watched the scene grow with social media...it used to be rly underground when i was growing up it was invite only friend of friend word of mouth shit, now its crazy and every one is clout chasing or doing take overs and all the night meets get ruined with revving and burnouts adn every so often a wreck......
you got a good head on bro, ive met alot of kids comin up who are cool and got sense and i get to pass knowledge onto them its pretty dope
Ngl, I mean no hate on VW drivers. This is due to the small number of VW people who ruin the image for the whole brand. I noticed here in Australia that most times, a golf driver usually in their P-plates or in a golf R/RS goes past me or in a lane next to me at a traffic light they always rev off like as if they want to race. (I have no interest in doing any of that when I am on public roads) I don't even bother and just take off from traffic lights as I usually would do and see the golf person zoom off a little then back off till they are at the same speed as I am and proceed to constantly crackle and pop near me. In most cases against P-plater golf drivers, I barely even try to take off from a traffic light on low-mid revs and look back to see the golf back behind, a few meters down the road the golf driver will then dangerously push their car over what must be 2x over the speed limit and swerve aggressively from lane to lane to get far ahead... Again, with crackle and pop exhaust replacements. Not sure why this happens, but I only drive an Alfa Guilietta which is not flashy but I appreciate for its exceptional handling and feel while driving (In my opinion).
Now when I see golf drivers I assume to know what type of person they are that are egotistical drivers who will get butt hurt over being "beaten" in a normal commute and think their car is the best car on the road. My respect for golf drivers is tarnished thanks to these hoonigans.
Car enthusiast in Japan here. I moved to Japan 3 years ago, and was blown away by the car scene here. I started off with a cheap $3k is350, later bought an ST205, and finally an MR-S. I don't make that many posts on my channel or Instagram. Looking back at the car scene in the US via Instagram/discord and holy crap I feel like everything has gone down hill. Even the touge scene has been bloated with dumbasses, especially last year's Touge Fest. Multiple of my friends back in the states have been moving away from touge and doing more track events.
That's kinda what direction I'm trending towards. Saving up for a helmet and an scca membership to participate at track days.
What I dislike about most car enthusiasts nowadays is that almost all of them want crazy builds all for the purpose of looking cool and being popular. I can't lie, I also love watching these insane builds of V8 swapped Teslas and Offroad Lambos. I kind of miss having a personal connection with vehicles, even if they're unknown shitboxes or the Supras and R34s of the world.
I grew up loving cars with my brother and my dad. I've always been working with them on our family car and going to autoshows, meets, and even track days. I grew up reading the little booklet you get for buying the special edition of Gran Turismo 6. I grew up studying how they worked, the history of each component and how they came to be, learning the amazing stories attached to certain cars. I almost went into Automotive Engineering for college just because of how much I love cars.
I personally could care less about going fast; as long as I'm having fun, feeling cool, and, at the very least, getting my knuckles greased up and my back getting dirty working on these amazing machines.
I honestly don’t even go on the touge anymore too many people drive like shit and they do it during broad daylight. I either go to the track or just hard park with friends in a parking lot now 😅
Lowkey it’s cool to see how far this channel has come
Butter wheels is like that evo gang from initial D
I haven’t been watching for long, but I love your videos. I love your energy your vibe and you’re right. A lot of people are in this game wanna claim to be enthusiast when they’re not willing to do any research or learn new things about this? I’m one of the last millennials born and me watching the car community change literally right before my eyes. It scares me sometimes. Locators talk their shit let the uneducated be dumb.
Man I feel old, I'm from that 2000-2010 era lol
Before I went into the army car meets were places to get info, fix stuff with buddies or randoms, eat food, grab drinks, and hangout.
I think that some of this is true, one thing that stuck out to me is no one has really hated on me, maybe its because i dont pay attention and i like doing what i like, my cars are both slow but i like to drive them way i like to, i like to make them look the way i like, ppl seem to respect that
Funny that from your perspective information of cars is more readily available than ever. From my perspective, as one of those ‘prior generation’ of enthusiasts, it’s far more difficult to find any detailed and reliable information without active forums. One example. I recently asked on several FB groups what the size (mm) of the oem dc2 type r non abs steering wheel is. I got no hood answers. A few guesses. Then the post was quickly lost in favor of people posting pictures in front of autozone etc. In the forum days, such questions would have been met with dozens of detailed posts with pictures. So, yes, some information is more readily available than others. But my experience is that anything remotely specific is much more difficult to track down than ever. This is probably also a reflection of the interests and possibilities of enthusiasts now. As regulations become increasingly strict, enthusiasts are forced to resort to largely aesthetic modifications, leaving few relative ‘mechanical’ enthusiasts.
I'm relatively new to cars but honestly to even claim there was a car scene at all is sort of ridiculous. There are people that are interested in mechanics and then there are people that are interested in aesthetics. But both are not mutually exclusive. That being said there are communities of people that like specific models of cars that have forms dedicated to them in which most of these forms are dead and you can no longer to find any information about them. I would argue it's actually harder now because most of the members aren't there anymore to ask questions to. And it's even harder so when you're trying to do something rare that isn't a 2JZ or something that has been majorly overhyped and cost thousands of dollars to build. People like to just dump money into their cars without any taste or attempt at budgeting because whatever their building is so popular that you barely need to do any research about it. The over hype of the Japanese cars reliability and customizability is extremely accessible to the average person or most likely the mechanic shop that they have to take it to and they're more willing to work on it because they'll know that they can make more money off of it and that it's way easier to work on and they don't have to rely on dead forums for rare or obscure engine platforms. As much as people shit on V8 LS it's probably the cheapest option even compared to a Honda VTEC which people have overhyped so much to this point one of these engines costing almost $3,000. Not including all the turbos and whatnot you got to add to it to make it actually make any meaningful power.
I meant to say forum or forms
All I know is I can build a entire 2jz or rb20 in my mind way easier than a LS because of the very specific and sometimes obscure information even though the LS is very popular there's still dead forums and links that some RUclips channels failed to mention in their LS builds. But 2jz build videos have more detail and clarity than a medical diagram and basically endless forum support. Unless you have a fundamental understanding of universal engine mechanics it's very difficult to modify engines that are relatively obscure. Or pay big money to have someone do it for you, but because no one has really done it they're probably going to charge you more than they would if you had just bought an expensive engine that has more acclaim. I have had endless trouble finding very specific information about certain engines. Basically the cars or engines that cost a lot of money are the ones that people dedicate forums to the most because they have so much money sunk into them they that they can't afford not to for the sake of them or their mechanic ease of access. Unless the cars or engines have just sheer production numbers on their side like mustangs where so many people have them that there's so many people in the forums trying to maintaining them information is always readily available just like parts for them.
Everything you have said in this video is so true. Forums, mods, flamewars, yes cars are fashion and tuner cars are fashion for fringe ppl that think they know cars. Its just sad af. As someone thats been in meets and clubs since 1998.. ugh today is just for the NPCs of life that just think every 2j is 1000hp... skylines are everything. Its sad.. its fancy handbag culture. So good to hear ur mature angle on things.. maybe there is hope for the 'scene'.
Craziest thing about comparing butter wheels to takumi is that of I recall correctly even takumi made sure that he didn't hit a another driver by only drifting on a road that was rarely used by anyone and at the time when the fewest amount of people were on that road only getting discovered when he went on the road right at the time some tuners organized a race on that road
butterwheelz personifies everything wrong with modern car enthusiasts
im building a cg6 where the only place i can get info about it is on forums its very nostalgic feeling
Bro the car scene is not cool anymore bro I had to Deal with the same situation in my school, I go to uti in Bloomfield and these kids all care about cutting up, flame tunes, take overs and racing, there’s no more culture to it no more bro. Like you said I keep to my own little group to we race up in the mountains and cutting the mustard up there is a no go bro, it’s s bunch of testosterone fueled meat heads
And yk what’s funny those are the same people who had no interest in it before are now trying to fit in because of the attention it gives,not for the love of it. (Talking bout cars in general),
@@johno_Wick that’s true bro preach, they do it for all the clout not even for the cars. Like the common thing now is beating up g35 coupes. Bro before when I was like 14 I loved those coupes I still do but people ruined it man 🥲🥲🥲
When I got my AW11 MR2 I didn't know too much about it but I did my research on it and had to dive into the forums to find stuff out about it and now im most likely about to earn a second AW11 to save from rotting out
That's my biggest issue people don't treat these cars with the respect they need, they mod them to all shit with shitty ebay parts and then you see listings on facebook marketplace of these old rotting and dead rusty integra's and Celica's and its seriously sad. I'm honestly unsure where to even look to buy a nice well kept older 90s japanese coupe anymore. I guess importing is an option but that is very expensive. and stuff like bringatrailer/hemmings/autotrader classic all of those cars are so over priced. Just feels like a really bad time to be a JDM fan. I honestly am hoping that maybe with the spike in popularity with JDM we can maybe see toyota or mazda kicking out some new cars that respike the old 90s JDM golden age.
I meet up with a group of older guys every Saturday. Its nice, we all have good jobs in the automotive industry. About 20-40 of us each meet and cruise. None of us post our cars on social media. We didnt buy them for acceptance and clout, we bought them for ourselves.
Some people just can't enjoy their cars without trying to belittle someone elses.
even tho alot has changed i went to a fairly big car meet in September of 2023 and everysingle car was modified execpt a tahoe and a alfa romeo guilia and the cars looked like they came out of Fast and furious and that got me back into cars and mainly car modding
i wish to someday bring a modded car to one of thoose shows
Speaking of ancient relics, a 65 yr old here. Why, back in my day, my fast car was a 1967 Cutlass with the factory high performance 330 with 325 horsepower. Fast forward to the present day and my stock Miata NC is considered slow, but it's actually faster in a straight line than the old Cutlass. Needless to say, it's better in every other way as well - well, ok, maybe not trunk space.
as a 17 year old, i agree with you, back then like early 2010s, before i was even in school, the car scene was one of the coolest things ever and i myself still prefer that than whatever we have now. everyone was nice and chill till now we got douchebags. i remember the drifting scene being amazing too like the mixed color bright wheels, everything was on point. i even still appreciate hondas to this day thx to my cousin who has had me around hondas for my entire life and showed me the good side of them too. i wish we can relive the same era that the car scene used to be
Bro put my thoughts into words. Bro is so right hopefully the Real stick with each other and keep this scene alive. Touge for life lol.
I have newfound respect for you man.
ya'll rockin that flop top hair style
thats all thats diff
Would ever be interested in coming to Bakersfield CA and doing some touges there. We have COUPLE of good roads that I would love to run with you! I also have a white DB8 Integra (work in progress) and it would be dope to have a DC2 AND a DB8 running together.
Nothing but facts bro. Just enjoy your car, that’s what it’s about
*I love cars in general*