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I own a subby 14060, a Oris 65 and a Ginault ocean rover II. All brilliant. Which one do I wear the most? the Ginault. Better made, more comfortable more tactile more e accurate and lastly, best looking and incredible build for a very fair price. My Ginault looks and feels like the quality of my Subby because it is and so much more. The Ocean rover II is a fab watch ...period. IMHO. :)
Nice one Jody, really enjoyed this one. I'd have to go with the Ginault if I were to choose from this head to head although I actually have the Steinhart OVM V3. Thanks.
Thank you Jody. I love these head to head videos. They really help me to think about what are the things I value in a watch and I really really like hearing your perspective and rational for each score. Thank you for another excellent video :)
Great review! I own a 16610 and 16613 Rolex Submariner and wanted to check out the Ocean Rover and bought one from Ginault heavily discounted and was amazed with the watch. I've had much better luck with the movement as it ran about +2 seconds for the first year and has slipped a bit to +6, loved the bracelet so much I popped it on my 16610 for a few days and it fit perfectly. Oris doesn't hit all my buttons even though it's a remake of their own watch from the late 60's. I feel the Longines Legend Diver staying true to the original is made much better than the Oris and the cost is more but well worth it. Again, amazing review and I really enjoy the channel!
For me the most important thing is value for money. Specs to price ratio. I personally think that should be the most weighted category. Brand means nothing to me. A prime example of a great value watch based on what I've said is the Starking AM0184. If you were to buy a 'big brand' watch with similar specs, it would cost substantially more.
Hi Jody - a bit of a thread resurrection sorry 😐 but do you have your Ginault still and if not how come you moved it on ? Just so I can get a bit of perspective before getting one , thanks in advance
Hey mate! Wearing it now, as it happens. There was an issue with the ceramic bezels, all resolved now. Still a stunning watch for the money, now with SW200. But there is a taint surrounding the company. Google will help: "Ginault Deepdweller" so it is up to you how you go with that.
@@JustOneMoreWatch thanks for the reply , appreciate that. Ironic your wearing it on asking !! It must be a great watch if you’ve still got it so that helps . I’ll check out that on google , many thanks 🙏 ps I take it you’ve got an or2 now with ceramic ?
I loved the battle even if none of those work for me. I'd love to have a great 5513 / 5517 homage, but not at that price point. And I find that particular dial of the Oris hideous - I would go with the gilt one 😍, but this is completely personal of course. I sold my Steinhart OVM MK2 because I couldn't warm up to that grey dial after all (a perfect blend of a grey dial and a 5513 / 5517 homage nonetheless). LOVED the intro music :D Cheers!
Great video Jody! Love the Oris and would take it over the Ginault any day. I would argue that the Tudor Pelagos bracelet is at least on par, if not better than the one found on the Sub. Solid titanium and the adjustments can be made without taking the watch off.
The Oris is my choice based upon originality of style and design...I love the dial. I have reservations about the Ginault due to it's alleged connection to a notorious counterfeiter.
Great vid as always! Would love to see a battle between the upper-low to mid-range divers (Steinhart, Squale, Phoibos, Tisell)!!!! ONLY YOU CAN DO IT JODY!
Good choice, Jody! I think you’ve got it right to give the win to the Oris, given you’d “happily wear it all day everyday....”. I doubt the Gineaux brand will be around in 5 years, whereas Oris will. Thanks for the video!
I was basically set on buying an Oris Aquis before coming across the Ocean Rover. I wanted to look into American micro brands before pulling the trigger on the Oris and once I found the Ginault, it was decided. I think the Ocean Rover looks much more sophisticated than the Aquis, or any other Oris for that matter.
I got the ocean Rover and I love it. Also I have seen so many people say oh don't wear it people will ask if it's Rolex or say but it's not Rolex. With my "real world testing" not one person has said that to me yet 😂😂😂. Great vid Jody
Oris are doing their own thing which I respect. Bit of a marmite dial but the world would be a boring place if we all liked the same things! I just don't care about Rolex Sub homages anymore, get out the teacher's red pen, "must try harder." Also, as you touched on, you might as well be wearing a fake. The Sub is too ubiquitous now to bear the 'homage' treatment.
A week or two back, I sat in our living room with a prospective purchaser of our old house. He asked questions about the house but the only question in my mind was "is that Explorer 2 a fake?" And that's the trouble with Rolex. However the Ginault is what it says on the dial - no need for any sense of inferiority or questions about its authenticity. But then to the real problem, The Ginault is simply too commonplace in appearance whereas your Oris has colour, charm and originality that will catch the attention of almost anyone. And as I wear watches as blokes jewellery, well that would put it on my wrist most days too. Great vid Jody - watch choice isn't just about spec's.
Thanks for review. Never cared for Ginault homage but got me rethinking. Can you review Ginault with Monta Oceanking? I believe these two brands are closer since they are both fairly new and have no brand heritage. I really like the Monta watches and wish I could see them first hand.
Enjoyable duel! Agree with most of the scores, especially as you have had first hand experience and I haven’t! However, I feel value should go to Ginault: for what it is the Oris is greatly overpriced - actually I would go as far as saying that like many Swiss timepieces it’s a bit of a rip of. The movement probably costs them £50 to buy and the dial, although attractive, is very basic as is the case finishing. Also not sure about the brand score - Oris have heritage but are hardly a household name when it comes to horology unlike Rolex, Omega, Seiko etc. They are obviously a rock solid brand but 90% of folks under the age of 50 have probably never heard of them! It certainly is a refreshingly different and attractive design though which the Ginault isn’t as much.
Hello Jody , you need to do a review on the Scottish bag piper watch, I have seen a review on the black watch, so it would very interesting to see the comparison on the 2! Cheers.
Also, I think the category should be “price” rather than “value.” You’re already giving points for the other qualities of the watch - then you should mark down for a high price, and mark up for a low price. This, in total, will reflect the “value.” But by having a value category you just reintroduce the earlier quality categories, and so give price even lesser importance. Same price = same score (in that category), and the lower value watch loses overall because it will lose in the other categories.
The legend of the affordable Oris 65... I want to find one too😭... Gosh, Jody you lucky watch geek ⌚🍀... The mighty Oris factor again, cool video pal! 😎👍 P. S. Enjoying my Hamilton Khaki King here in Yucatán😍.
Enjoy your channel, I’ve somehow become fixated on watches again since my 22 year old seiko kinetic has been in fur repair. Bought a Komandirskie as a way of dipping my toe back in. I’d be interested to see what you think of the Amfibia range (yes,that’s an F)
I love your videos they really brighten my day with down-to-earth humor and something that I love. Freaking watches! Have you given zodiac any thought preferably the new lines? Limited edition jet o matic? Etc...
Well, this was a difficult match, but you were certainly fair-minded. I think a bit tough on the Ginault, though. Giving the better built watch the same for value, and your quibble on the crystal I think a bit unfair. The bottom line is the Ginault was better watch for the money but a no name watch compared to the Oris. JOMW usually sides with the better value proposition and the Ginault seemed to take that category, imho.
If you take out the last two categories, as I really don't care about brand so much... Ginault wins :) Although I do like the 40mm Oris Diver 65 with the dark date window at 6 o'clock, your latest purchase!
Great video! I think the Ginault is a bit to close to the Oris as an homage. I have no problems with homage watches as long as they over something outstanding in their price category - like a Invicta Pro Diver with its Seiko NH35A for less then 100,-$ or a Parnis GMT which is the cheapest real GMT automatic watch - but in the +500,-$ class you will always find watches with great specs and their own legit design. So watches like Steinhart or Ginault have a bit a bitter taste for me...
Had the Diver's 65. Felt a bit small size-wise, but was a fun / enjoyable watch, all in all. Also imo one of the first among the "retro reissue" trend that really capitalized on the domed sapphire.
I quite like that Ginault , remove a line of text from the top of the dial , 2 lines from the bottom of the dial and the cyclops and it would be even better
I am glad I found this video. I don't see many reviews of Oris. Many say they entry level. Ginault retails for 1500 dollars, can get it discounted for 1200.00 USD I do love the glide lock on the Ginault. I don't care for the bracelet on the Oris.
Haven't watched through yet but I feel like brand should be 5 points max, not doubled. Same with "x factor". They definitely matter, but only to a an extent, I know because I'm weighing whether I want a sinn 104 or a biotec corsair (microbrand) as my grail. Everytime those words pop up it's "great, let's see how this dude makes a seiko come up close or even to a watch that kicks its teeth in"
I wish subbie clones would center the pip in the triangle like the Tudor Pelagos, but hands down win for the Oris! Cracking video, I'd love to see more comparisons like this.
What’s the deal with dive watches having the extra lines on the bezel only up to 15 seconds? I almost prefer the sea dweller because it’s goes all the way around
I've seen more of these comparisons between watches and the "brand" category is often part of it. But what is it worth if properties like movement and other mechanical parts score lower than the case is with the watch with the lesser known brandname?
Oris doesn't offer enough brand cache for me. The Ginault offers me the case workmanship I like from my Rolex and Omega but at a price point where I don't worry so much about dings and scratches. It dominates my wrist time. Since their brand is nil their compensation seems to be their product quality.
Great video Jody. I still prefer the Ginault over the Oris. But this is purely my personal preference ;-) The Ginault to me is not just another Rolex homage ... it's a homage to THE 5517, and probably one of the best built ones. So I just love it. :-)
I wear 65 every day but I have the blue 42 so lume is better than the printed dial 40. So mostly agree with your scoring on Oris. I'd say Jody you bought the wrong 65 but that's only my opinion.
I love that Oris, particularly in black. I really want one. The Ginault; I just think if they can machine that well, could they not put some money into making their own design? I find it a real missed opportunity for something serious from the States.
With the recent controvery surrounding Ginault, I'm beginning to wonder why someone doesnt buy a ton of NOOB Submariners and change out the dials with their own branding. Ive seen one and the case finishing and bracelet are crazy good for the price. Its ashame they slap "Rolex" on the dial. But someone could surely work with them and slap a different name on the dial and make quite a bit of money.
They are both beautiful, but their price is high. You get most of the same features in the Phoibos PY007 for about a quarter of the price. I bought the Phoibos on your recommendation and I love it. Yes, both are better-known brands than Phoibos. However, if Phoibos hangs in there for about a decade, I think the brand recognition will punch at about the same weight as the Oris. We'll see.
My grandparents are wanting to get me a watch for Xmas but only have a budget of £100. They don't use Internet so from a shop would probs get me a quarts in that price. What would be the best to get? I'm thinking seiko or rotary. If anyone can help that would be great. Thanks
Well done Jody. Another great video. Lately I've grown to really dislike homages to the Sub. Call it a homage or a Rip off, to me they all feel like when a Chines car company blatently copies a car design from one of the established brands. It's just lazy design... I would like to see some originality and modernity out of some of these micro brands. And while I like retro watches, it seems to me that everybody is doing a retro re-release. Just stop already!
Good job at comparing two good quality watches...I passed up on that Ginault for $600 US. Thinking I should have gotten it, but as that kind of regret happens to me all the time, I'll probably live ;)
Enjoy your videos and this one no exception. Neither for me though. On 5e subject of made in America what do you think of the Pelton Perseus? Probably a divisive watch but on the videos looks great to me.
Totally agree that movement should be double weighted (thanks for remembering my earlier complaint :)), but brand? Are these women’s handbags? Should we compare who has the better social media influencers? By weighing brand too much, you help them justify their markups. Plus branding already probably affects the other ratings on a subconscious level. If you do want another double-weighted category, maybe call it “Heritage” instead. Anyway thorough review, thanks!
At the end of the day, it is indeed a factor to most buyers. Maybe it shouldn't weigh more than others (like build quality, movement, design) but if you give me virtually the same watch but one is an Oris and another is a Tag, I'll go Oris all the way. (I'm biased, I purchased a month ago an Oris Aquis).
@Pacific Standard Time I completely agree with you. In fact I think there is zero value in brand certainly not any value that can be returned in a tangible way. The only thing one gets for the 200/300% markup is the feeling of superiority and that's just not a real thing that's in your mind..
I see a lot of micro-brands out there. Who doesn't. I think I wanted to hate the Ginault when it first came out but I couldn't. Why? Because they put so much thought and effort into making this homage to the Rolex Sub. The enamel dial is something you just don't see the micro's do. The bracelet is second only to the best well known Swiss brands. And it seems as if Ginault put a lot of time into the movement as well. What other micro spends the time to actually calibrate a movement over this amount of time? No, I don't own one. And personally the Ginault is only a homage. It says "Ginault" big and bold right on the dial, not Ginolex. And according to me the hands are way different to a Rolex Sub (although I guess Rolex made a version way back in the day that looked like this). Ever see one in person? I haven't. I'm boring myself now but I'll make one more comment about homage watches and then shut-up. Back in the 1990's Gevril made an homage to the Rolex Daytona. It's called the Tribeca. I mean they made it look exactly like a Daytona down to even having some parts that were interchangeable. Only 500 were made and they were reasonably priced at the time. They eventually got all bought up. When the Paul Newman started getting hot pre-owned Gevril Tribeca's started to heat up as well. Look at the prices for them now! And guess who's buying them? Some of the top watch collectors in the world! So what's my point? Why are we "little" watch guys so obsessed about homage watches when the ellite watch collectors could care less? I have a short list of names of people that have bought this model. You can find them. Not hard.
Nice video but was kind of obvious where this was gonna end up. Not sure I'd go for either prob would go for Zodiac Sea Wolf. But enjoyable video, I quite like these comparison videos, although ultimately the watches look determines I think most people's choice
The only thing I don’t like with the oris are the 100m WR and the pins in the bracelet. Yes, got it, it has its original style and everything but my sarb035 has 100m without big height and screw in crown, why not at least make it 200m and with that to a “real” diver. And in terms of cost, it isn’t that expensive using screws in a bracelet so why pin it together like a Seiko skx, the oris doesn’t sell cheap. But still, it has its own design and that is a big plus, I like the river style bracelet and the dial is gorgeous, the ginault is interesting but an expensive Rolex clone so not my cup of tea. Very nice battle, I enjoyed it a lot 👍🏻🙏🏻
Basically same movements and if you ignore the brand names, the Ginault is the superior watch. Albeit a Rolex greatest hits. After the last video I wondered if there was a Ginault trap. But I find watches around the same price don't exude the same quality. If the Ginault had been around when I started buying Sub like watches, I could have saved myself a fortune in fakes, Steinharts, Armidas, Tissells and Lord knows what else. And let's be honest, all divers are measured by how subby they are without out being too subby to be labelled a subby copy.
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Without a doubt it would be the Oris for me though in truth, I don't really desire either. Never cared for the Sub tried one (out of curiosity) once, although you could feel it's quality still did not like the style. Dead happy with the Aquis as it's way nicer than both. Great bout though but the Ginnaut threw the towel in early!
I think the Oris has much more personality, the Ginault just looks like another Sub.
curses that the ginault looks like a sub....when it is trying to look like a sub. it's an outrage.
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Great Video - been waiting for a detailed comparison of these two watches! Appreciate you taking the time to make this one.
I own a subby 14060, a Oris 65 and a Ginault ocean rover II. All brilliant. Which one do I wear the most? the Ginault. Better made, more comfortable more tactile more e accurate and lastly, best looking and incredible build for a very fair price. My Ginault looks and feels like the quality of my Subby because it is and so much more. The Ocean rover II is a fab watch ...period. IMHO. :)
Two beautiful watches, that Oris is very unique and the fact it's an Oris definitely puts it over the top. Well done Jody.
Nice one Jody, really enjoyed this one. I'd have to go with the Ginault if I were to choose from this head to head although I actually have the Steinhart OVM V3. Thanks.
Thank you Jody. I love these head to head videos. They really help me to think about what are the things I value in a watch and I really really like hearing your perspective and rational for each score. Thank you for another excellent video :)
Great review! I own a 16610 and 16613 Rolex Submariner and wanted to check out the Ocean Rover and bought one from Ginault heavily discounted and was amazed with the watch. I've had much better luck with the movement as it ran about +2 seconds for the first year and has slipped a bit to +6, loved the bracelet so much I popped it on my 16610 for a few days and it fit perfectly. Oris doesn't hit all my buttons even though it's a remake of their own watch from the late 60's. I feel the Longines Legend Diver staying true to the original is made much better than the Oris and the cost is more but well worth it. Again, amazing review and I really enjoy the channel!
Thanks for your kind words! Cheers.
For me the most important thing is value for money. Specs to price ratio. I personally think that should be the most weighted category.
Brand means nothing to me. A prime example of a great value watch based on what I've said is the Starking AM0184. If you were to buy a 'big brand' watch with similar specs, it would cost substantially more.
Great video.
Even though I'd prefer a Zodiac Sea Wolf.
Great vud. I wld also double weight the looks. Such a key thing.
Great review Jody! I love the intro.
both brill watches i would pick the ginault cheers
Originality and Heritage with pride, any time!. ORIS!.
Hi Jody - a bit of a thread resurrection sorry 😐 but do you have your Ginault still and if not how come you moved it on ? Just so I can get a bit of perspective before getting one , thanks in advance
Hey mate! Wearing it now, as it happens. There was an issue with the ceramic bezels, all resolved now. Still a stunning watch for the money, now with SW200. But there is a taint surrounding the company. Google will help: "Ginault Deepdweller" so it is up to you how you go with that.
@@JustOneMoreWatch thanks for the reply , appreciate that. Ironic your wearing it on asking !! It must be a great watch if you’ve still got it so that helps .
I’ll check out that on google , many thanks 🙏 ps I take it you’ve got an or2 now with ceramic ?
I'm also here for this exact reason right now! Sooo tempting. Watched every Jody Ginault (Jonault?!?!) video available several times this past week 🤣
I loved the battle even if none of those work for me. I'd love to have a great 5513 / 5517 homage, but not at that price point. And I find that particular dial of the Oris hideous - I would go with the gilt one 😍, but this is completely personal of course. I sold my Steinhart OVM MK2 because I couldn't warm up to that grey dial after all (a perfect blend of a grey dial and a 5513 / 5517 homage nonetheless). LOVED the intro music :D Cheers!
Great video Jody! Love the Oris and would take it over the Ginault any day. I would argue that the Tudor Pelagos bracelet is at least on par, if not better than the one found on the Sub. Solid titanium and the adjustments can be made without taking the watch off.
I like this video, but I love the quick reviews he usually shows us :)
The Oris is my choice based upon originality of style and design...I love the dial. I have reservations about the Ginault due to it's alleged connection to a notorious counterfeiter.
Great vid as always! Would love to see a battle between the upper-low to mid-range divers (Steinhart, Squale, Phoibos, Tisell)!!!! ONLY YOU CAN DO IT JODY!
Coming before Christmas......
Good choice, Jody! I think you’ve got it right to give the win to the Oris, given you’d “happily wear it all day everyday....”. I doubt the Gineaux brand will be around in 5 years, whereas Oris will. Thanks for the video!
If you are reading this; I'm from the future; and you are wrong.
I was basically set on buying an Oris Aquis before coming across the Ocean Rover. I wanted to look into American micro brands before pulling the trigger on the Oris and once I found the Ginault, it was decided. I think the Ocean Rover looks much more sophisticated than the Aquis, or any other Oris for that matter.
Would like to know if you regret not buying a Oris65 w/ the numerals?
I got the ocean Rover and I love it. Also I have seen so many people say oh don't wear it people will ask if it's Rolex or say but it's not Rolex. With my "real world testing" not one person has said that to me yet 😂😂😂. Great vid Jody
They are saying it behind your back, but so what?
@@dparis2172 anyone who would care to say something so ridiculous behind someone’s back is someone to be pitied. I wouldn’t worry to much about them.
Oris are doing their own thing which I respect. Bit of a marmite dial but the world would be a boring place if we all liked the same things! I just don't care about Rolex Sub homages anymore, get out the teacher's red pen, "must try harder." Also, as you touched on, you might as well be wearing a fake. The Sub is too ubiquitous now to bear the 'homage' treatment.
A week or two back, I sat in our living room with a prospective purchaser of our old house. He asked questions about the house but the only question in my mind was "is that Explorer 2 a fake?" And that's the trouble with Rolex. However the Ginault is what it says on the dial - no need for any sense of inferiority or questions about its authenticity. But then to the real problem, The Ginault is simply too commonplace in appearance whereas your Oris has colour, charm and originality that will catch the attention of almost anyone. And as I wear watches as blokes jewellery, well that would put it on my wrist most days too. Great vid Jody - watch choice isn't just about spec's.
Never found a need to shrink it in cold water it kind of just happens...
Great work as always Jody, enjoyed that!
Thanks for review. Never cared for Ginault homage but got me rethinking. Can you review Ginault with Monta Oceanking? I believe these two brands are closer since they are both fairly new and have no brand heritage. I really like the Monta watches and wish I could see them first hand.
Enjoyable duel! Agree with most of the scores, especially as you have had first hand experience and I haven’t! However, I feel value should go to Ginault: for what it is the Oris is greatly overpriced - actually I would go as far as saying that like many Swiss timepieces it’s a bit of a rip of. The movement probably costs them £50 to buy and the dial, although attractive, is very basic as is the case finishing. Also not sure about the brand score - Oris have heritage but are hardly a household name when it comes to horology unlike Rolex, Omega, Seiko etc. They are obviously a rock solid brand but 90% of folks under the age of 50 have probably never heard of them! It certainly is a refreshingly different and attractive design though which the Ginault isn’t as much.
Hello Jody , you need to do a review on the Scottish bag piper watch, I have seen a review on the black watch, so it would very interesting to see the comparison on the 2! Cheers.
Also, I think the category should be “price” rather than “value.” You’re already giving points for the other qualities of the watch - then you should mark down for a high price, and mark up for a low price. This, in total, will reflect the “value.” But by having a value category you just reintroduce the earlier quality categories, and so give price even lesser importance. Same price = same score (in that category), and the lower value watch loses overall because it will lose in the other categories.
Noted Senna!
The legend of the affordable Oris 65... I want to find one too😭... Gosh, Jody you lucky watch geek ⌚🍀... The mighty Oris factor again, cool video pal! 😎👍
P. S. Enjoying my Hamilton Khaki King here in Yucatán😍.
Enjoy your channel, I’ve somehow become fixated on watches again since my 22 year old seiko kinetic has been in fur repair. Bought a Komandirskie as a way of dipping my toe back in. I’d be interested to see what you think of the Amfibia range (yes,that’s an F)
I love your videos they really brighten my day with down-to-earth humor and something that I love. Freaking watches! Have you given zodiac any thought preferably the new lines? Limited edition jet o matic? Etc...
Well, this was a difficult match, but you were certainly fair-minded. I think a bit tough on the Ginault, though. Giving the better built watch the same for value, and your quibble on the crystal I think a bit unfair. The bottom line is the Ginault was better watch for the money but a no name watch compared to the Oris. JOMW usually sides with the better value proposition and the Ginault seemed to take that category, imho.
If you take out the last two categories, as I really don't care about brand so much... Ginault wins :)
Although I do like the 40mm Oris Diver 65 with the dark date window at 6 o'clock, your latest purchase!
Can you review the guanqin no is lambda homage?
I wear my Diver 65 every day! Agree with the scores
Great video!
I think the Ginault is a bit to close to the Oris as an homage.
I have no problems with homage watches as long as they over something outstanding in their price category - like a Invicta Pro Diver with its Seiko NH35A for less then 100,-$ or a Parnis GMT which is the cheapest real GMT automatic watch - but in the +500,-$ class you will always find watches with great specs and their own legit design.
So watches like Steinhart or Ginault have a bit a bitter taste for me...
As always , fine to watch your videos. Thank you for being here 👍👍👍
Two great watches.
Had the Diver's 65. Felt a bit small size-wise, but was a fun / enjoyable watch, all in all. Also imo one of the first among the "retro reissue" trend that really capitalized on the domed sapphire.
I quite like that Ginault , remove a line of text from the top of the dial , 2 lines from the bottom of the dial and the cyclops and it would be even better
I really prefer the ginault as it is a better looking watch than the current Subby. The Oriz is just not attractive to me. But I respect your opinion.
I am glad I found this video. I don't see many reviews of Oris. Many say they entry level. Ginault retails for 1500 dollars, can get it discounted for 1200.00 USD I do love the glide lock on the Ginault. I don't care for the bracelet on the Oris.
Excellent comparison
Great video. Thanks
Haven't watched through yet but I feel like brand should be 5 points max, not doubled. Same with "x factor". They definitely matter, but only to a an extent, I know because I'm weighing whether I want a sinn 104 or a biotec corsair (microbrand) as my grail. Everytime those words pop up it's "great, let's see how this dude makes a seiko come up close or even to a watch that kicks its teeth in"
I wish subbie clones would center the pip in the triangle like the Tudor Pelagos, but hands down win for the Oris! Cracking video, I'd love to see more comparisons like this.
What’s the deal with dive watches having the extra lines on the bezel only up to 15 seconds? I almost prefer the sea dweller because it’s goes all the way around
Any thoughts on the Longines Hydroconquest?
I would love to have either of them.
Jody! any chance of you looking at the Orient Triton? Keep up the good work!
I've seen more of these comparisons between watches and the "brand" category is often part of it. But what is it worth if properties like movement and other mechanical parts score lower than the case is with the watch with the lesser known brandname?
Great comparison
Better bracelet for glidelock? The spring-based Pelagos-Bracelet!
Oris doesn't offer enough brand cache for me. The Ginault offers me the case workmanship I like from my Rolex and Omega but at a price point where I don't worry so much about dings and scratches. It dominates my wrist time. Since their brand is nil their compensation seems to be their product quality.
Great video Jody. I still prefer the Ginault over the Oris. But this is purely my personal preference ;-)
The Ginault to me is not just another Rolex homage ... it's a homage to THE 5517, and probably one of the best built ones.
So I just love it. :-)
Unlike a Gineaut, Rolexes are worn by non watch lovers.
Interesting point!
I was actually about to ask for this video haha can you compare the 2 with a Steinhart as well? :)
It was an interesting comparison.
I wear 65 every day but I have the blue 42 so lume is better than the printed dial 40. So mostly agree with your scoring on Oris. I'd say Jody you bought the wrong 65 but that's only my opinion.
How many subs does this world need?!
Oris for the win. Voted with my wallet.
Great comparison Jody. Would you buy another Ginault in the future?
Now that Ginault is using a SW200, how would that impact your scoring?
I love that Oris, particularly in black. I really want one.
The Ginault; I just think if they can machine that well, could they not put some money into making their own design? I find it a real missed opportunity for something serious from the States.
Just a beautiful Oris and a real hard core diver....who goes deeper than 40m ?
What app do you used to measure the accuracy of the watches ?
Watch Check for Android.
Cheers
why dont you ever do any reviews on Casio edifice series.
i think watches in that series is also a great value for money and looks so good
I like to focus on value for the money... If a homage has outstanding value for the money, then a homage is fine...
With the recent controvery surrounding Ginault, I'm beginning to wonder why someone doesnt buy a ton of NOOB Submariners and change out the dials with their own branding. Ive seen one and the case finishing and bracelet are crazy good for the price. Its ashame they slap "Rolex" on the dial. But someone could surely work with them and slap a different name on the dial and make quite a bit of money.
Good presentation, not so sure about the judging categories....nice watches, both, even if a little pricey for what you get. Thanks Jody!
Both great watches however I would go for the Oris due to it individuality. It's not trying to be something else
Great video again
They are both beautiful, but their price is high. You get most of the same features in the Phoibos PY007 for about a quarter of the price. I bought the Phoibos on your recommendation and I love it. Yes, both are better-known brands than Phoibos. However, if Phoibos hangs in there for about a decade, I think the brand recognition will punch at about the same weight as the Oris. We'll see.
Not sure what the Ginault offers a Steinhart doesn't?
Much better construction, build quality, and aesthetics…..and it isn’t close.
@@Jedi391 That's a matter of opinion.
Objective and spot on👍. Now I gotta go get an Oris 😕😕
Ginault logo looks too much like Renault :D
My grandparents are wanting to get me a watch for Xmas but only have a budget of £100. They don't use Internet so from a shop would probs get me a quarts in that price. What would be the best to get? I'm thinking seiko or rotary. If anyone can help that would be great. Thanks
How about a Hamilton King Khaki?
@@donovanneese4733 it's a very nice looking watch but it's coming up over the £100 mark.
My bad. Along with a Seiko you might also consider an Orient Mako.
i would double-weight the build as well
Great and a fair comparison, Jody. I prefer Oris out of the 2! I hate homage watches 😉🤣
Hahahha! Thanks Oleg!!
I was in mall today and saw a woman walk by that looked like Bond...
@@syndicatedsatellite7288 hahaha that's one cute lady;)
Excellent Video
Well done Jody. Another great video. Lately I've grown to really dislike homages to the Sub. Call it a homage or a
Rip off, to me they all feel like when a Chines car company blatently copies a car design from one of the established brands. It's just lazy design... I would like to see some originality and modernity out of some of these micro brands. And while I like retro watches, it seems to me that everybody is doing a retro re-release. Just stop already!
Good job at comparing two good quality watches...I passed up on that Ginault for $600 US. Thinking I should have gotten it, but as that kind of regret happens to me all the time, I'll probably live ;)
Enjoy your videos and this one no exception. Neither for me though. On 5e subject of made in America what do you think of the Pelton Perseus? Probably a divisive watch but on the videos looks great to me.
The Oris 65 on the tropic strap is a sexy time piece
"The only time you will see MVMT on this channel" no pun intended lmao
Totally agree that movement should be double weighted (thanks for remembering my earlier complaint :)), but brand? Are these women’s handbags? Should we compare who has the better social media influencers? By weighing brand too much, you help them justify their markups. Plus branding already probably affects the other ratings on a subconscious level. If you do want another double-weighted category, maybe call it “Heritage” instead. Anyway thorough review, thanks!
At the end of the day, it is indeed a factor to most buyers. Maybe it shouldn't weigh more than others (like build quality, movement, design) but if you give me virtually the same watch but one is an Oris and another is a Tag, I'll go Oris all the way. (I'm biased, I purchased a month ago an Oris Aquis).
@Pacific Standard Time I completely agree with you. In fact I think there is zero value in brand certainly not any value that can be returned in a tangible way. The only thing one gets for the 200/300% markup is the feeling of superiority and that's just not a real thing that's in your mind..
Oris has the class Ginault has the looks!
I see a lot of micro-brands out there. Who doesn't. I think I wanted to hate the Ginault when it first came out but I couldn't. Why? Because they put so much thought and effort into making this homage to the Rolex Sub. The enamel dial is something you just don't see the micro's do. The bracelet is second only to the best well known Swiss brands. And it seems as if Ginault put a lot of time into the movement as well. What other micro spends the time to actually calibrate a movement over this amount of time? No, I don't own one.
And personally the Ginault is only a homage. It says "Ginault" big and bold right on the dial, not Ginolex. And according to me the hands are way different to a Rolex Sub (although I guess Rolex made a version way back in the day that looked like this). Ever see one in person? I haven't.
I'm boring myself now but I'll make one more comment about homage watches and then shut-up. Back in the 1990's Gevril made an homage to the Rolex Daytona. It's called the Tribeca. I mean they made it look exactly like a Daytona down to even having some parts that were interchangeable. Only 500 were made and they were reasonably priced at the time. They eventually got all bought up. When the Paul Newman started getting hot pre-owned Gevril Tribeca's started to heat up as well. Look at the prices for them now! And guess who's buying them? Some of the top watch collectors in the world! So what's my point? Why are we "little" watch guys so obsessed about homage watches when the ellite watch collectors could care less? I have a short list of names of people that have bought this model. You can find them. Not hard.
Nice video but was kind of obvious where this was gonna end up. Not sure I'd go for either prob would go for Zodiac Sea Wolf. But enjoyable video, I quite like these comparison videos, although ultimately the watches look determines I think most people's choice
Maybe double weight the value as well?
A good idea. Next up is SKX vs Mini Turtle and Stowa vs Zelos, so always happy to tweak the scoring system. Cheers mate!
I really laughed out loud when I saw "MVMT"
Nice video again keep up the good content.
Oris hands down.
The only thing I don’t like with the oris are the 100m WR and the pins in the bracelet.
Yes, got it, it has its original style and everything but my sarb035 has 100m without big height and screw in crown, why not at least make it 200m and with that to a “real” diver.
And in terms of cost, it isn’t that expensive using screws in a bracelet so why pin it together like a Seiko skx, the oris doesn’t sell cheap.
But still, it has its own design and that is a big plus, I like the river style bracelet and the dial is gorgeous, the ginault is interesting but an expensive Rolex clone so not my cup of tea. Very nice battle, I enjoyed it a lot 👍🏻🙏🏻
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I wanted an casio diver watch
Basically same movements and if you ignore the brand names, the Ginault is the superior watch. Albeit a Rolex greatest hits. After the last video I wondered if there was a Ginault trap. But I find watches around the same price don't exude the same quality. If the Ginault had been around when I started buying Sub like watches, I could have saved myself a fortune in fakes, Steinharts, Armidas, Tissells and Lord knows what else. And let's be honest, all divers are measured by how subby they are without out being too subby to be labelled a subby copy.
Subscribed✔️ Oris65 black/blue version is my holy grail😍 , (I know barely breaking in but, I'm poor😫)
Did just buy 2x skx007 recently because it's the perfect watch and has been officially discontinued!!😱😬😵😂 -i see these skx007's going for $600+ within 10years or less✔️ -Cheers🍻🌿💙🇱🇷✝️
In my opinion the royal oaks bracelet is the best bracelet on the market
Not sure I'll ever be able to test that claim mate, unless you have a spare $15k you can send me? 🤣
Without a doubt it would be the Oris for me though in truth, I don't really desire either. Never cared for the Sub tried one (out of curiosity) once, although you could feel it's quality still did not like the style. Dead happy with the Aquis as it's way nicer than both.
Great bout though but the Ginnaut threw the towel in early!
the total doesn't make much sense !?
Or is has more flair whereas the Ginault is a well built homage.