I’d love for the MW to add Oregon State and Washington State. It’d be a nice boost for the conference and put them up with the AAC. Mountain West fans are good people, they deserve some good fortune.
Not necessarily. The Bay Area is the 10th largest TV market in the country. Most WSU alumni live in Western Washington. Seattle is the 12th largest TV market. OSU would have a presence in Portland, which is the 22nd largest TV market, which is larger than San Diego, which is 30th. There could be a silver lining for the MW by adding Cal, Wazzu, and OSU.
That is the problem with the conference they are never aggressive and I hate that. Try 2 grab some big schools n c if you can amend the current TV deal or ask the TV partners if they would increase the pay if u add better schools
This may be a long shot but I’m rooting for the UTEP Miners and NMSU Aggies to join this conference. They would reunite with old WAC foes and it makes geographic sense. One can dream.
They do, but MWC expansion should open the door for a better TV deal renegotiation. They should actually probably do separate contracts for football and then one for basketball and the rest of the sports
Man money has really ruined things. Oregon and Oregon state being in two different conferences is crazy. If you told me 10 years ago that Oregon USC and UCLA would be in the big 10 I’d laugh
No one is going independent, bec's there is no path to even an expanded CFP as an independent. Cal needs to pay off loans for renovating their athletic facilities, which is why they were holding UCLA hostage, until they were able to work out getting a cut of the Bruins Big Ten revenue.
1. Since BSU joined DIvision 1, Oregon State is 3-4 vs Boise State 2. Oregon State beat Boise State in Corvalis. In fact Oregon State has only ever beaten Boise State when played outside of Boise, whereas Boise State has won both at home and one the road. 3. OSU over BSU combined scores: 102-67; BSU over OSU: 180-86 4. In the last 5 years Oregon State has gone 3-3 vs the MWC...... So I guess enjoy the good team you have right now, but "domination" is unlikely for the long term. Real domination is Boise State's record vs Oregon, Arizona State, Arizona, UCLA, Stanford, Utah aka what are 6 PAC schools to never once beat Boise State.... Real domination is the commanding 99-16 record Boise State has at home since 2000 - which is #1 in the country.....
@@Funky_monkey_. And you think 2022 Boise State was their greatest program? 2022 Boise State lost more games than they lost in 4 years from 2008-2011, and they beat the PAC Champx2, ACC Champ and SEC Champ in OOC in that time.
Add the PAC 4. Bosie St, SDSU, Fresno and ColoradoSt to the AAC and you will have the 5th best conference. Ideally the American could drop Charlotte and Tulsa (they are not competitive) to improve the overall strength of the new conference. That conference could possibly get 11 or 12 mm per team and have very good tv coverage. That is the best available package for the left out Universities. We need this to happen.
I would say drop no one and add Air Force and Army and make Navy a full member as well and the AAC looks like this: AAC EAST: Army, Navy, Temple, East Carolina, Charlotte, FAU, USF, UAB AAC CENTRAL: Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane, UNT, Rice, SMU, UTSA, Air Force AAC WEST: Boise State, Washington State, Oregon State, Stanford, California, Fresno State, San Diego State, Colorado State, Utah State The reasons no Nevada schools are because of the gambling laws and dilemmas going on and moving forward plus Colorado State and Utah State are better athletics and academics combined than either Nevada schools and can’t add one without the other as Nevada is the better grab of the two Nevada state schools and can’t have Boise be the lone Mountain Time Zone school in that division. Also Colorado State and Utah State have been R1 longer. This should get AAC back to power/autonomy status and see each school get $20-$25 million dollars for 7yrs or so. Remaining MWC schools can take from FCS or merge with CUSA or add all CUSA to MWC and either way down to 8 FBS conferences and for the love of interest and integrity they keep it at 6 highest conference champions get in 12-team playoffs and hopefully one at-large for the next best highest ranked non-autonomous college so 3-non power schools get in and make the regular season finally mean something.
The Mountain West could totally have a merger with the PAC-12, this could go one of two ways. Either the Mountain West absorbs the remaining teams and upgrades to a Power 5 conference (even if they only get Wash St. and Oregon St.) or they become a new conference called Pac-West. I have a feeling the Mountain West will have some sort of influence on the final 4 Pac-12 teams.
MWC will become a larger G5 conference ! B1G,SEC, ACC, and Big 12 will not extend P5 status to their league just because they add Stanford, CAL, Oregon State, and Washington state.. It keep them on par with the AAC. The 2 best G5 conferences are AAC and the MWC that's about all the recognition they'll get.
@@waltercole5024 here is my suggestion for the AAC to regain autonomy status and get about 22-25 million dollars per school per year with the following 26 schools. First you make it clear to the media networks and platforms and distributors that this is the plan and how it will unfold and then notify the parties involved and future parties involved in becoming members of the AAC. Then notify the 4-remaining PAC schools to join the AAC because academics wise they are the next highest behind three of the power/autonomy conferences in Big10, ACC, and SEC with the number of AAU members and R1 members and number of top 200 academic institutions out of 4,000 universities. At this point they will listen and see what Aresco has done and pitched. The expanded AAC to get autonomous status will include adding in 2024 the 4-PAC schools and Army for all sports and elevating Navy as a full member. You get the 7 MWC schools to announce later this year or next year that in 2025 will join the AAC so exit fees are $17 million and not the $34 if were to join next year. You have the conference moving forward in three divisions staring in 24 with two having 6 schools and one with 7. When adding the 7 schools from MWC, two divisions go to 9 and one goes to 8 with some shuffling of two schools to the Central/Gulf division after adding MWC schools and make them go from division opponents to cross division opponents and home-home series solved. You have all three service academies in your conference and in the same division and make sure Air Force has a time zone companion to travel with. The divisions are aligned semi geographically with the following names: Military/Eastern Central/Gulf Mountain/Pacific The 7 schools to invite from the MWC to join in 2025 are as follows: Air Force, Colorado State, Utah State, Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, and Wyoming. Your divisional lineup starting in 2025 would be as follows: MILITARY/EASTERN: Army, Navy, Air Force, Colorado State, Temple, East Carolina, Charlotte, USF, FAU CENTRAL/GULF: Memphis, UAB, Tulane, Rice, UTSA, SMU, UNT, Tulsa MOUNTAIN/PACIFIC: Utah State, Wyoming, Boise State, San Diego State, Fresno State, California, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State This works great for all parties involved that want to retain autonomy status and those for the most part should have it. No schools from Nevada for multiple reasons and no Hawaii because travel concerns and not having sports complexes and arenas and stadiums finished, unless the Mountain/Pacific division loses 2-4 schools then both Nevada schools and Hawaii and San Jose State have a lifeline, maybe.
As a WSU fan I’m not ok with this. WSU is a top 25 team this would be a joke. We are better than ucla, Arizona, Arizona state, Stanford, Oregon state, California, Colorado, and on the same level as Washington even though they some how beat us most years (don’t get me started) and shoot we beat USC the past 5 years but it’s USC and they are a power house so I’m not stupid they are top dog. So yeah WSU is in Pullman which is a small town and we are getting left behind cause we aren’t in a big city. This is crazy. Money ruins everything. College sports just became a joke and college football is my favorite sport to watch. Pac 12 was too worried about academics and now they look stupid. Lumping WSU with Oregon state is a huge insult. And they are my second favorite team in pac 12 cause I love the under dogs but don’t think for a second they are on the same level. This is a sick dream I hope I woke up from. Colorado won 1 game last year and they get picked up??? You no it’s just a money grab it has nothing to do with how good you are or WSU would be picked up by now but no they are in a small town and small towns don’t have the money. Sad day….
One of two scenarios: 1. The PAC dissolves and the 2-4 remaining teams join the MW 2. The PAC survives by grabbing MW teams. MW replaces them with FCS teams (Some combination of North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Montana, Montana State, Eastern Washington, Portland State, Sacramento State)
I thought about what if PAC-12 goes down to Ore St/Wash St. The Commish would want to bring over a bunch of MWC, but I can't imagine OSU/WSU or any MWC team wanting to do business with him in that scenario.
@@greg.murphy Yeah it just doesn't make sense for any school to move to a two team conference because at that point it's dead. If it were to come down to just Oregon State and Wazzu, it'd make more sense and be easier for them to just go to the MW than having like 10 MW schools move to the PAC
@@scotttild I don't think they could be considered part of the Power 5 anymore, but if the remains of the PAC and the MW do end up merging I could totally see them eliminating the Mountain West name and staying under the PAC-12 name
Pac 12 has a $100 Million emergency fund and all the infrastructure for the pac 12 network and autonomy 5 status. If they joined the MW I wonder what happebs to all that?
my freshmen year at UNM starts aug 21st. i belive that New mexico lobos are in desprite for IRL NCAA 14 rebuild. student tickets are free ill still goto the games
Ok, simply look at a MAP, the 4 corners are Utah, Arizona, New Mexico & Colorado, stop making a fool of yourself by saying something goofy like " 4 corner Schools " nobody is inviting New Mexico.
All that crap about academics in the PAC12 goes out the window when there’s no football program! As a famous coach once said “when’s the last time you seen 80k people show up to watch a science experiment “. 😂😂😂😂😂
Stanford has the money to do whatever. I can't believe Cal would join the MW. I think OSU and WSU will but remember their quality will plunge. Football players out through the portal, Beavs coach Smith gone, OSU baseball players will head south.
I'm a big Mountain West fan, but rebranding the MW as the "new" PAC does not make them a P5 conference. It would be the same as the AAC raiding Conference USA and trying to claim that they are still the "6th Power 5 league". It's simply not true.
Would not be surprised if the AAC makes an attempt to bring Wazzou and OSU while simultaneously pitching to Boise, SDSU and possibly UNLV or Fresno/CSU/Air Force to join. Or an even more extreme case, those aforementioned schools plus the likes of a SMU, Tulane, Memphis, and USF schools who missed the XII/PAC bids go and form a new conference.
They will welcome in O St. W St. to the mtw. Um stop with the 4 corner analogy. The anaolgy should be Tri State teams because it envolves 3 States and 5 Schools. The 4 Corners are Utah Az, New Mexico and Colorado!
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The Pac 12 should have added Houston and TCU back in 2015 when they had the chance. They also could have added SMU and San Diego St. Should 've, would've, could've smh.
@@boTCavalry yup and now they won't exist 😂😂😂. Honestly though, BYU, TCU, SMU, are really good schools. Had they added them they might've had a chance to get Norte Dame too. A USC-Norte Dame in the same conference would have been awesome.
5:20 David Shaw is one of the most overhyped and overrated coaches ever. He rode Harbaugh’s coattails until Harbaugh’s players graduated then he did NOTHING. He can thank Harbaugh for gifting him a position he didn’t deserve.
3:05 SJSU also has their stadium/athletic center facilities renovations completing in time for the 2023 season. However, they did remove alot of the stadium's capacity as a result.
I honestly kind of hope the Pac-12 disappears at this point. I think it would be cool to see a Group of 5 conferences expand into a "New" Power 5 conference on the West Coast. If MW were to get Washington State and Oregon State, maybe they get a media deal in the future if the Games can bring in some money. Plus it's sort of traditional with all the schools being close in proximity, unlike the Big-10.
I study at North Dakota State in Fargo. It would be pretty cool to be looking outside my window with 6ft snow piles while watching NDSU play in Hawii. If that were to come true, would that be the longest intraconference match up ever, in terms of geographical distance?
4:18 Whomever came up with that proposed conference name clearly didn't do too much research because there's already a D2 conference called the PacWest Conference, consisting of private schools in California and Hawaii.
If the MWC added WSU and OSU plus SMU and Memphis for 16 football schools, plus Gonzaga and maybe Wichita St and Dayton for other sports, that would be a decent second tier conference.
CAL and Stanford will be far far more attractive to MWC than Memphis and SMU . Besides American athletic conference is pay is larger than MWC only about 4 million dollars, AAC about 7 to 10 million dollars. SMU, Memphis maybe should to see what happens in the ACC
I feel bad for schools like Cal, Stanford, Oregon St, and Washington St. There is the possibility they get left out in the cold. Of course, if the Pac-12 was not so bad the last decade this probably not happen but football-wise they aside from Oregon and Utah have not been great on the national level. Also, the conference has not been run very well either. Their current commissioner has done the best he could but was hamstrung by decisions his predecessors made. Combined with the conference's generally poor performance there were not many options in contract negotiations.
Why would you feel bad for WSU??? It's probably one of the worst ran programs in the entire country!! They constantly overspend to try to keep up with the PAC 12 and are legitimately 100 million in debt!!!! That's why WSU was the BIGGEST VOICE AGAINST giving USC & Cal a "Fair Share" of media money. WSU lived in this fantasy land that they should get paid as much as USC.... so USC left and started this mess!!! Standford and Cal didn't value Athletics; it was always Academics first and they treated football like a hobby... they just didn't take it seriously enough. The only team to feel sorry for is OSU; they don't really have any enemies, they have a great reputation, and they have a great program and squad. The Big 10 & Big 12 feels sorry for them... but there just isn't enough Seats at this time.
OrSU and WSU piggybacked from the prestige provided by the other members of the PAC-12. Neither really adds much buzz or revenue to any conference. Cal's and Stanford's snobbish administrations had a role in hamstringing the PAC from expanding. They piggybacked off of UCLA/USC bringing in the money and the ratings. So screw them both as far as I'm concerned. Stanford will likely wait until Big-10 offers them something and goes independent for now. I wouldn't be surprised if Cal eventually dumps their athletic programs because their football program sucks. The MWC TV deal is still smaller than Apple's deal, but the Apple deal is dead since the PAC just lost 5 schools in one day. I thought the PAC and MWC should have merged after USC and UCLA left. Big-12 acted quickly and decisively when Texas and OU left. Big-10 behaved like vultures this week after they bit the PAC on the neck previously. Big-10 commish playing Rains of Castamere while sipping sparkling red wine in his hot tub.
@@hajime2k Stanford and Cal are snobbish because they're better than you. They along with Utah invented the internet. They have kind of earned the right to be a little snobbish
Pac-west: San diego state Boise State Washington state Oregon State San Jose State Fresno State Utah State Wyoming Stanford Nevada Airforce Hawaii California Seems like a solid conference. UNLV and New Mexico state move to FCS fr tho... Utah, Arizona and Arizona state to B12 Colorado State and New Mexico Lobos join lower conference.
Boise state would be great for the pac if people keep saying they don't have a big TV market and the pac deal is all streaming they would probably be a better fit for the Pac cuz TV markets are now irrelevant it would be more about your brand and they have a big brand compared to any other MW team
It’s interesting because if a mountain west team leaves for the pac12 it does nothing for them. But if a pac12 team moving to the mountain west it would help bring in even more revenue. The Apple TV deal from the pac12 is an atrocious leaving for the pac12 with that deal would be the dumbest move ever.
I can see something like the Pac West developing. If Stanford doesn’t want to be a member of the MW. Maybe they sign a commitment to play 4 MW teams every year in a light version of what Notre Dame does with the ACC. It would also give them an opportunity to have a conference for their Olympic sports/basketball.
Possible scenario: UW and UO go to the B10. WSU and OSU go to the MW Stanford goes independent for now, hoping that the B10 will convince Notre Dame will join the B10, and then Stanford will join the B10. Cal has no other choice than to join the MW, bringing the total of 14 football schools for the MW.
my 3rd favorite team is boise state, it would be nice for boise to join the pac12 or something i mean get out of group of 5 and well now join the Power 4 conferences. heck get boise and fresno state to go to the pac12
The Pac 12 football was reported that it would be 20-22 million per team. The Mountain West is only a couple of million per team. It would make more sense the the best of the MWC teams like Boise State go to the Pac 12 for more money. To be honest, most of the MWC football teams are mediocre at best.
I mean dont look at Boise State, ffs that program has tried to join the PAC 8 freaking times since 2002. I would say BSU, SDSU, Fresno State are above medicore. Utah State and Air Force are occasionally above medicore. It should also be noted these 5 schools went a combined 13-7 vs the PAC12 in the last 4 seasons.... In 2021 the 2nd best MWC team beat Utah who won the PAC..... so if there medicore what does that make the PAC12 schools that the B10 and B12 just added?
Financial viability is not there for Cal and Stanford to become independent in Football. No possible merger between Conferences. Kaliavkoff needs to be prepared for legal problems because there's was no contingency plan in case the PAC 12 does dissolve because no invitations have been given to Cal Stanford Oregon St & Washington St, with Oregon and Washington in talks with Big Ten and Utah Arizona St Arizona in talks with the Big 12
Could it be possible that the PAC-12 fails and then a new Power 5 conference rises from the ashes made up of the best teams remaining or the most profitable teams I guess? I wish it weren’t this way. Conferences should just be abolished and individual deals made with individual teams like how Notre Dame does it with TV deals.
If Big 12 get Arizona and ASU but can not convince Utah to come with them, I see GK going after UConn Hard for their Basketball program. With Arizona and UConn both joining the argument that the Big 12 is THE preimier basketball confrence would be hard to dispute.
You forgot 1 other scenario which is the Big 12 deciding to go to 18 as well which could see them possibly adding 5 more PAC schools leaving the MW with none. Edit: Also possible the remaining PAC schools try to reload by taking a combination of G5 schools not just MW schools.
@@jamiethornton6101 I personally don’t want the PAC to survive for multiple reasons. But what could work if going by brand and football success and success in other sports plus potential academic success would be the following: 4-PAC remaining schools plus Boise State, Nevada, Fresno State, San Diego State, Wyoming, and Utah State from MWC (although it will take 9 MWC schools to dissolve the conference and then merge with remaining PAC schools and still pay close to $34 million in exit fees possibly). That means most likely have to add Colorado State, San Jose State, and Hawaii to be eligible to dissolve the MWC and possibly lower the exit fees and might as well add a 10th MWC school in UNLV (though not deserving). That then limits the number of schools you could potentially lure away from AAC if any. But if the new PAC wanted to get into central time zone and better markets and recruiting areas and go to 18 schools, then could add 4 AAC schools. SMU, UTSA, Rice, and Tulane. This means that the AAC would add Air Force for all sports, Army for all sports, Navy becomes a full member, New Mexico joins, Coastal Carolina, University of Louisiana Lafayette, SFA, UTEP, and Liberty University to get them to 18 schools and still have at least 3 schools in Texas. If the AAC adds the two North Dakota schools and 2 South Dakota schools then add New Mexico State and UTEP (which this actually helps CUSA out) and Louisiana Lafayette and Coastal Carolina and keep an eye out on what happens in ACC and the return of the WAC, Big Sky, MVC, and Atlantic Sun 10 (I hate numerical conference names) move back to FBS status and rumors and whispers due to NIL and Scholarships and Transfer Portal issues that Ivy League and CAA are considering moving back.
As a beaver fan I’d rather go to the AAC if we go g5. The AAC has a lot more money for us. If we go mountain west we wouldn’t have enough money for what we need. Also, come the time that the ACC crumbles, maybe some of those teams move to AAC and we’ve got a decent conference with teams like Boston College, Georgia tech, NC state and North Carolina maybe also.
@@EverydayEurope yeah but if Washington State and maybe cal and Stanford came there’s 3 close games and then schedule one for Oregon and 2 mountain west conference teams in preseason and you’ve got 6 close games
The problem is that only Oregon and Washington would really bring enough value to make it worth it for the ACC and the Big 10 makes more sense for them in every respect.
You've said everything I've been thinking throughout this entire ordeal. Cal does not appear in the same position as Stanford to go independent. I'm not entirely sure how prestigious Cal is more than other MW schools, but my mode of thinking is that the MW has the highest number of California schools (now that the PAC is pretty much over) in their conference with San Jose State, San Diego State, and Fresno State. I wonder if that would hold any appeal.
Oh boy...put it this way - when you can be taught by, and do research alongside nobel prize winning chemists, physicists (I remember when we had George Smoot rooting on the sidelines against Oregon), economists, ect...you simply get exposed to a lot more, you have access to the largest library on West coast, the best labs, a significant pipeline to the Silicon Valley and the investors there, and your resume looks quite enhanced. It's big reasearch facilites vs.sState school thing (OSU and WSU were some of the original founders.) Secondly, even if you aren't one of the smartest kids in the country, you'll be going to class with them. I transferred there after Junior college (Cal allows transfers) and, even though getting straight A's in juco was really, really easy, I felt kinda dumb compared to my classmates, one of whom was up for the Fields Medal in mathematics. They're just on another plane of intellect, as are the grad students and professors; you really can't screw off throughout a school like Cal and still graduate. I've got a bunch of friends who went to SDSU, and I'm not sure what they ever learned there...at Cal you need to be able to read a shit load and retain stuff at a fast clip to graduate - that's why the athletes need to have at least a 3.0 in highschool to be admitted (after Tedford was let go, largely due to a few poor seasons, but really, one of the lowest grad rates in the Power 5). We've passed up a lot of guys who wouldn't qualify academically. This doesn't mean these schools don't offer a good education; they do, but the professors there typically use reasearch from the more prestigous ones. The big problem for Cal? They are a public school without the massive endowment Stanford has, and they have 30 sports programs. Even if they do go with the MW, it won't generate anywhere near the $$$ Cal needs to pay for the new facilites that Tedford built, and all of those sports, so...some very good student athletes (3 NCAA championships last year) will likely see their programs axed.The major talking heads on most podcasts and sports shows only focus on football, but for Cal fans, this implosion will be hard to take.
I saw a comment on r/cfb that was really interesting he talked about the B1G having 3 divisions. The Eastern, Middle, and Western. Eastern: Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Rutgers, Clemson, Florida State Middle: Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Minnesota, Purdue, Oklahoma State, Kansas Western: Oregon, Washington, Washington State, Oregon State, Cal, Stanford, Utah, USC, UCLA I changed it slightly but this is what the idea of the comment was in general.
I think the MW should join the PAC en masse. The MW teams would now be a member of a P5 conference with a guaranteed berth in the playoffs for 2 years.
@@stevenlewis6781 The rules for the 12 team playoffs have already been agreed to and the Conference champ gets an automatic bid no matter what their record is. The agreement is for 2 years then a new agreement for the playoffs will be in place.
Pac 12 needs to stay alive they should add Army, Airforce, Boise state, Utah state, San Diego state, Hawaii, Fresno state and san jose state..That’s a pretty solid conference right there..
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I’d love for the MW to add Oregon State and Washington State. It’d be a nice boost for the conference and put them up with the AAC. Mountain West fans are good people, they deserve some good fortune.
Fresno State, Boise, and SDSU are the top tiered teams in the Mountain West.
The Pac presidents did this 2 them selves snubbing their nose at add Boise and San Diego state when they had the chance b4
MW is not losing anyone. They will only add.
I think along with Wazzou and Oregon State, Gonzaga may be enticed to join the MW
Gonzaga doesn’t even play football
Cal is doomed. The Mountain West may be Berkeley's best alternative.
Not necessarily. The Bay Area is the 10th largest TV market in the country. Most WSU alumni live in Western Washington. Seattle is the 12th largest TV market. OSU would have a presence in Portland, which is the 22nd largest TV market, which is larger than San Diego, which is 30th. There could be a silver lining for the MW by adding Cal, Wazzu, and OSU.
Ivy League?
The Mountain West is in a better position than the PAC 10. They should already be in contact with OSU and WSU.
That is the problem with the conference they are never aggressive and I hate that. Try 2 grab some big schools n c if you can amend the current TV deal or ask the TV partners if they would increase the pay if u add better schools
This may be a long shot but I’m rooting for the UTEP Miners and NMSU Aggies to join this conference. They would reunite with old WAC foes and it makes geographic sense. One can dream.
Aren’t they already stuck with c-usa? One day that could be cool though
@@cactitiger unfortunately, UTEP has been stuck in CUSA since 2005 while other schools have moved on to other conferences.
I drove through El Paso from Houston to California and saw that New Mexico State is less than an hour from UTEP
Add Oregon State, Washington State, SMU, and UTSA. That's pretty solid and gets you to 16 with a real presence in Texas.
If the previous MWC commissioner was more agressive, they could have crippled the AAC, thier primary competition.
Aac better tv contract so not likely
They do, but MWC expansion should open the door for a better TV deal renegotiation. They should actually probably do separate contracts for football and then one for basketball and the rest of the sports
The only way I can see Stanford making it as an independent is if they get a lucrative TV deal just like Notre Dame.
Man money has really ruined things. Oregon and Oregon state being in two different conferences is crazy. If you told me 10 years ago that Oregon USC and UCLA would be in the big 10 I’d laugh
I don't know why the pac 12 and mountain west don't discuss merging?
@@scotttild I get that, but the merger wouldn't happen tomorrow. it would be 2 or 3 years out. that's plenty of time to work out the details.
Unfortunately I think my SDSU Aztecs are going to be stuck in the MWC forever. I definitely don't want us to go to the Pac
MWC isn't all that bad. Like the video said, its the gonna be the only west coast conference remaining, which should give us some leverage
The American conference is actually the old Big-East Power conference
PAC-Mountain West
LoL basically the WAC 2.0, getting to that 16 team marker...
No civil war? No Apple Cup? No dice.
Fresno State would be great in the Pac 12
No one is going independent, bec's there is no path to even an expanded CFP as an independent. Cal needs to pay off loans for renovating their athletic facilities, which is why they were holding UCLA hostage, until they were able to work out getting a cut of the Bruins Big Ten revenue.
That's right, California did extract some money from UCLA, didn't they? I wonder if they would have to forfeit that IF they joined the B1G themselves.
The PAC-12 just needs to start offering the best Group of 5 teams entrance into the conference
2 weeks later we're down to he PAC-4 or -2, wow.
The beavers will dominate this conference just look at last year Boise state the best team in conference was blown out by the beavers
The beavers should beat Boise State. Their resources are exponentially higher. What happens when they are equal for a few years?
Beaver players may exit in the portal though because they wanted to be at a p5 school.
1. Since BSU joined DIvision 1, Oregon State is 3-4 vs Boise State
2. Oregon State beat Boise State in Corvalis. In fact Oregon State has only ever beaten Boise State when played outside of Boise, whereas Boise State has won both at home and one the road.
3. OSU over BSU combined scores: 102-67; BSU over OSU: 180-86
4. In the last 5 years Oregon State has gone 3-3 vs the MWC......
So I guess enjoy the good team you have right now, but "domination" is unlikely for the long term. Real domination is Boise State's record vs Oregon, Arizona State, Arizona, UCLA, Stanford, Utah aka what are 6 PAC schools to never once beat Boise State.... Real domination is the commanding 99-16 record Boise State has at home since 2000 - which is #1 in the country.....
@@MattLindon-wv8jy yeah but oregon state was booty cheeks those years (we were for a long time)
@@Funky_monkey_. And you think 2022 Boise State was their greatest program?
2022 Boise State lost more games than they lost in 4 years from 2008-2011, and they beat the PAC Champx2, ACC Champ and SEC Champ in OOC in that time.
WSU’s Martin Stadium got some renovations. Wazzu would have an instant rivalry with Boise State.
Add the PAC 4. Bosie St, SDSU, Fresno and ColoradoSt to the AAC and you will have the 5th best conference. Ideally the American could drop Charlotte and Tulsa (they are not competitive) to improve the overall strength of the new conference. That conference could possibly get 11 or 12 mm per team and have very good tv coverage. That is the best available package for the left out Universities. We need this to happen.
I would say drop no one and add Air Force and Army and make Navy a full member as well and the AAC looks like this:
AAC EAST:
Army, Navy, Temple, East Carolina, Charlotte, FAU, USF, UAB
AAC CENTRAL:
Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane, UNT, Rice, SMU, UTSA, Air Force
AAC WEST:
Boise State, Washington State, Oregon State, Stanford, California, Fresno State, San Diego State, Colorado State, Utah State
The reasons no Nevada schools are because of the gambling laws and dilemmas going on and moving forward plus Colorado State and Utah State are better athletics and academics combined than either Nevada schools and can’t add one without the other as Nevada is the better grab of the two Nevada state schools and can’t have Boise be the lone Mountain Time Zone school in that division. Also Colorado State and Utah State have been R1 longer. This should get AAC back to power/autonomy status and see each school get $20-$25 million dollars for 7yrs or so. Remaining MWC schools can take from FCS or merge with CUSA or add all CUSA to MWC and either way down to 8 FBS conferences and for the love of interest and integrity they keep it at 6 highest conference champions get in 12-team playoffs and hopefully one at-large for the next best highest ranked non-autonomous college so 3-non power schools get in and make the regular season finally mean something.
@@michaelwall3393 You make some solid points. I could go for that.
The Mountain West could totally have a merger with the PAC-12, this could go one of two ways. Either the Mountain West absorbs the remaining teams and upgrades to a Power 5 conference (even if they only get Wash St. and Oregon St.) or they become a new conference called Pac-West. I have a feeling the Mountain West will have some sort of influence on the final 4 Pac-12 teams.
MWC will become a larger G5 conference !
B1G,SEC, ACC, and Big 12 will not extend P5 status to their league just because they add Stanford, CAL, Oregon State, and Washington state..
It keep them on par with the AAC.
The 2 best G5 conferences are AAC and the MWC that's about all the recognition they'll get.
@@waltercole5024 here is my suggestion for the AAC to regain autonomy status and get about 22-25 million dollars per school per year with the following 26 schools. First you make it clear to the media networks and platforms and distributors that this is the plan and how it will unfold and then notify the parties involved and future parties involved in becoming members of the AAC. Then notify the 4-remaining PAC schools to join the AAC because academics wise they are the next highest behind three of the power/autonomy conferences in Big10, ACC, and SEC with the number of AAU members and R1 members and number of top 200 academic institutions out of 4,000 universities.
At this point they will listen and see what Aresco has done and pitched. The expanded AAC to get autonomous status will include adding in 2024 the 4-PAC schools and Army for all sports and elevating Navy as a full member. You get the 7 MWC schools to announce later this year or next year that in 2025 will join the AAC so exit fees are $17 million and not the $34 if were to join next year.
You have the conference moving forward in three divisions staring in 24 with two having 6 schools and one with 7. When adding the 7 schools from MWC, two divisions go to 9 and one goes to 8 with some shuffling of two schools to the Central/Gulf division after adding MWC schools and make them go from division opponents to cross division opponents and home-home series solved. You have all three service academies in your conference and in the same division and make sure Air Force has a time zone companion to travel with. The divisions are aligned semi geographically with the following names:
Military/Eastern
Central/Gulf
Mountain/Pacific
The 7 schools to invite from the MWC to join in 2025 are as follows:
Air Force, Colorado State, Utah State, Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, and Wyoming.
Your divisional lineup starting in 2025 would be as follows:
MILITARY/EASTERN: Army, Navy, Air Force, Colorado State, Temple, East Carolina, Charlotte, USF, FAU
CENTRAL/GULF: Memphis, UAB, Tulane, Rice, UTSA, SMU, UNT, Tulsa
MOUNTAIN/PACIFIC: Utah State, Wyoming, Boise State, San Diego State, Fresno State, California, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State
This works great for all parties involved that want to retain autonomy status and those for the most part should have it. No schools from Nevada for multiple reasons and no Hawaii because travel concerns and not having sports complexes and arenas and stadiums finished, unless the Mountain/Pacific division loses 2-4 schools then both Nevada schools and Hawaii and San Jose State have a lifeline, maybe.
As a WSU fan I’m not ok with this. WSU is a top 25 team this would be a joke. We are better than ucla, Arizona, Arizona state, Stanford, Oregon state, California, Colorado, and on the same level as Washington even though they some how beat us most years (don’t get me started) and shoot we beat USC the past 5 years but it’s USC and they are a power house so I’m not stupid they are top dog. So yeah WSU is in Pullman which is a small town and we are getting left behind cause we aren’t in a big city. This is crazy. Money ruins everything. College sports just became a joke and college football is my favorite sport to watch. Pac 12 was too worried about academics and now they look stupid. Lumping WSU with Oregon state is a huge insult. And they are my second favorite team in pac 12 cause I love the under dogs but don’t think for a second they are on the same level. This is a sick dream I hope I woke up from. Colorado won 1 game last year and they get picked up??? You no it’s just a money grab it has nothing to do with how good you are or WSU would be picked up by now but no they are in a small town and small towns don’t have the money. Sad day….
Cal would suffer heavily if they were an independent. They don’t have the income that Stanford has
Add Boise st and Fresno
The mountain west should try and bring up North & South Dakota, maybe SAC state to.
I can see a few of these teams possibly going to the PAC 10 SDSU , Fresno St , Boise St & Colorado St . No on the rest of the MTW . IJS
One of two scenarios:
1. The PAC dissolves and the 2-4 remaining teams join the MW
2. The PAC survives by grabbing MW teams. MW replaces them with FCS teams (Some combination of North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Montana, Montana State, Eastern Washington, Portland State, Sacramento State)
Maybe even San Francisco
I thought about what if PAC-12 goes down to Ore St/Wash St. The Commish would want to bring over a bunch of MWC, but I can't imagine OSU/WSU or any MWC team wanting to do business with him in that scenario.
@@greg.murphy Yeah it just doesn't make sense for any school to move to a two team conference because at that point it's dead. If it were to come down to just Oregon State and Wazzu, it'd make more sense and be easier for them to just go to the MW than having like 10 MW schools move to the PAC
@@scotttild I don't think they could be considered part of the Power 5 anymore, but if the remains of the PAC and the MW do end up merging I could totally see them eliminating the Mountain West name and staying under the PAC-12 name
Pac 12 has a $100 Million emergency fund and all the infrastructure for the pac 12 network and autonomy 5 status. If they joined the MW I wonder what happebs to all that?
PAC12 needs to create a quality super conference. Then Stanford will be happy to stay. PAC 12 will not dissolve. The name is more valuable than MWC.
my freshmen year at UNM starts aug 21st. i belive that New mexico lobos are in desprite for IRL NCAA 14 rebuild. student tickets are free ill still goto the games
If PAC 12 dies would MWC become a P5 if OSU, WSU and no one leaves MWC. Maybe add Montana and NDSU in a year or two.
Ok, simply look at a MAP, the 4 corners are Utah, Arizona, New Mexico & Colorado, stop making a fool of yourself by saying something goofy like " 4 corner Schools " nobody is inviting New Mexico.
University of Washington Board of Regents are meeting at 9PM tonight to consider joining the Big Ten.
I would watch these games if Washington, OSU, Stanford, and Cal merge with MW. They bay would get a true rivalry. Very interesting to watch
All that crap about academics in the PAC12 goes out the window when there’s no football program! As a famous coach once said “when’s the last time you seen 80k people show up to watch a science experiment “. 😂😂😂😂😂
Stanford has the money to do whatever. I can't believe Cal would join the MW. I think OSU and WSU will but remember their quality will plunge. Football players out through the portal, Beavs coach Smith gone, OSU baseball players will head south.
What's left of the Pac12 should invite the entire Mountain West to join them and become members of the Power 5.
I don't think the Pac 2 would have any real power to do that at that point...
I'm a big Mountain West fan, but rebranding the MW as the "new" PAC does not make them a P5 conference.
It would be the same as the AAC raiding Conference USA and trying to claim that they are still the "6th Power 5 league".
It's simply not true.
If the Pac 4 wants to expand, I wouldn't take all of the MW. Take the best and get to 10 teams. MW backfills from 1-AA
Would not be surprised if the AAC makes an attempt to bring Wazzou and OSU while simultaneously pitching to Boise, SDSU and possibly UNLV or Fresno/CSU/Air Force to join.
Or an even more extreme case, those aforementioned schools plus the likes of a SMU, Tulane, Memphis, and USF schools who missed the XII/PAC bids go and form a new conference.
They will welcome in O St. W St. to the mtw. Um stop with the 4 corner analogy. The anaolgy should be Tri State teams because it envolves 3 States and 5 Schools. The 4 Corners are Utah Az, New Mexico and Colorado!
I would LOVE to see Cal and Stanford in the Mountain West. lol
Doubt Stanford would join. Cal maybe, OSai,WSU would be great.
I feel like the mountain west is about to get better 👍
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The Pac 12 should have added Houston and TCU back in 2015 when they had the chance. They also could have added SMU and San Diego St. Should 've, would've, could've smh.
PAC12 stated that they would not add religious schools.
@@boTCavalry yup and now they won't exist 😂😂😂. Honestly though, BYU, TCU, SMU, are really good schools. Had they added them they might've had a chance to get Norte Dame too. A USC-Norte Dame in the same conference would have been awesome.
They actually should have added Oklahoma and Texas when they had the chance. That would have been a conference.
Great conference.......very enjoyable. And I live in NYC........Add WSU and OSU and plow on!!!! Love it! LOL
5:20 David Shaw is one of the most overhyped and overrated coaches ever. He rode Harbaugh’s coattails until Harbaugh’s players graduated then he did NOTHING. He can thank Harbaugh for gifting him a position he didn’t deserve.
OSU, WSU, Cal, Stanford lets go to the MW
3:05 SJSU also has their stadium/athletic center facilities renovations completing in time for the 2023 season. However, they did remove alot of the stadium's capacity as a result.
I honestly kind of hope the Pac-12 disappears at this point. I think it would be cool to see a Group of 5 conferences expand into a "New" Power 5 conference on the West Coast. If MW were to get Washington State and Oregon State, maybe they get a media deal in the future if the Games can bring in some money. Plus it's sort of traditional with all the schools being close in proximity, unlike the Big-10.
I study at North Dakota State in Fargo. It would be pretty cool to be looking outside my window with 6ft snow piles while watching NDSU play in Hawii. If that were to come true, would that be the longest intraconference match up ever, in terms of geographical distance?
4:18 Whomever came up with that proposed conference name clearly didn't do too much research because there's already a D2 conference called the PacWest Conference, consisting of private schools in California and Hawaii.
I say call it the MoPac conference!
Cal & Stanford might be joining them
I heard that if OSU, and WSU are the only pac Schools left, they could invite the whole MWC and keep a5 status.
If thats a possibility then the whole P5 status is total bs as a standard for any conference....
Not using your brain. Power 5 is over. The Big East. Didn't keep there power 6. PAC will not keep power 5
@@MattLindon-wv8jy In the end there going to be only power 2 conferences
If the MWC added WSU and OSU plus SMU and Memphis for 16 football schools, plus Gonzaga and maybe Wichita St and Dayton for other sports, that would be a decent second tier conference.
Gonzaga, Witchita St, Dayton, Western Kentucky, and Memphis would make for a great basketball conference.
I see Memphis joining ACC since they’re losing schools to SEC
W idea
CAL and Stanford will be far far more attractive to MWC than Memphis and SMU .
Besides American athletic conference is pay is larger than MWC only about 4 million dollars, AAC about 7 to 10 million dollars.
SMU, Memphis maybe should to see what happens in the ACC
Arkansas state
I feel bad for schools like Cal, Stanford, Oregon St, and Washington St. There is the possibility they get left out in the cold. Of course, if the Pac-12 was not so bad the last decade this probably not happen but football-wise they aside from Oregon and Utah have not been great on the national level. Also, the conference has not been run very well either. Their current commissioner has done the best he could but was hamstrung by decisions his predecessors made. Combined with the conference's generally poor performance there were not many options in contract negotiations.
Why feel bad, they have like 12 fans between them, THAT is why they are in the position they are in.
Why would you feel bad for WSU??? It's probably one of the worst ran programs in the entire country!! They constantly overspend to try to keep up with the PAC 12 and are legitimately 100 million in debt!!!! That's why WSU was the BIGGEST VOICE AGAINST giving USC & Cal a "Fair Share" of media money. WSU lived in this fantasy land that they should get paid as much as USC.... so USC left and started this mess!!!
Standford and Cal didn't value Athletics; it was always Academics first and they treated football like a hobby... they just didn't take it seriously enough.
The only team to feel sorry for is OSU; they don't really have any enemies, they have a great reputation, and they have a great program and squad. The Big 10 & Big 12 feels sorry for them... but there just isn't enough Seats at this time.
What if Stanford, Cal, OSU, WSU, get left but they add ND and Navy? That could happen.
OrSU and WSU piggybacked from the prestige provided by the other members of the PAC-12. Neither really adds much buzz or revenue to any conference.
Cal's and Stanford's snobbish administrations had a role in hamstringing the PAC from expanding. They piggybacked off of UCLA/USC bringing in the money and the ratings. So screw them both as far as I'm concerned. Stanford will likely wait until Big-10 offers them something and goes independent for now. I wouldn't be surprised if Cal eventually dumps their athletic programs because their football program sucks.
The MWC TV deal is still smaller than Apple's deal, but the Apple deal is dead since the PAC just lost 5 schools in one day. I thought the PAC and MWC should have merged after USC and UCLA left. Big-12 acted quickly and decisively when Texas and OU left. Big-10 behaved like vultures this week after they bit the PAC on the neck previously. Big-10 commish playing Rains of Castamere while sipping sparkling red wine in his hot tub.
@@hajime2k Stanford and Cal are snobbish because they're better than you. They along with Utah invented the internet. They have kind of earned the right to be a little snobbish
I'm still here ginger you can't get rid of me
Pac-west:
San diego state
Boise State
Washington state
Oregon State
San Jose State
Fresno State
Utah State
Wyoming
Stanford
Nevada
Airforce
Hawaii
California
Seems like a solid conference.
UNLV and New Mexico state move to FCS fr tho...
Utah, Arizona and Arizona state to B12
Colorado State and New Mexico Lobos join lower conference.
Hawaii will need to fold its football program.
It wouldn’t shock me if Cal and Stanford became independent
Boise state would be great for the pac if people keep saying they don't have a big TV market and the pac deal is all streaming they would probably be a better fit for the Pac cuz TV markets are now irrelevant it would be more about your brand and they have a big brand compared to any other MW team
It’s interesting because if a mountain west team leaves for the pac12 it does nothing for them. But if a pac12 team moving to the mountain west it would help bring in even more revenue. The Apple TV deal from the pac12 is an atrocious leaving for the pac12 with that deal would be the dumbest move ever.
BY stated the Big-12 is expanding to 18 teams. Wouldn't surprise me if Wazzu/OSU were added at reduced shares.
No! He's speaking on UCONN and Gonzaga
AAC should drop rice and Charlotte. Invite 4 pac schools, SDSU and Boise!
I can see something like the Pac West developing. If Stanford doesn’t want to be a member of the MW. Maybe they sign a commitment to play 4 MW teams every year in a light version of what Notre Dame does with the ACC. It would also give them an opportunity to have a conference for their Olympic sports/basketball.
good video bro- fight on...
Possible scenario:
UW and UO go to the B10.
WSU and OSU go to the MW
Stanford goes independent for now, hoping that the B10 will convince Notre Dame will join the B10, and then Stanford will join the B10.
Cal has no other choice than to join the MW, bringing the total of 14 football schools for the MW.
MWC not a strong conference, you are a joke. Last year, fresno state stumped Washington state and went toe to toe with usc, Oregon and Oregon state.
Fresno State beat UCLA 3 straight times in football. National champions in baseball and softball.
Do we even know if the Mountain West TV deal will give WSU or OSU any money or if they do is it only for a heavy discounted rate.
my 3rd favorite team is boise state, it would be nice for boise to join the pac12 or something i mean get out of group of 5 and well now join the Power 4 conferences. heck get boise and fresno state to go to the pac12
Would PAC/West be a Power 5 conference or Group of 5 conference?
The Pac 12 football was reported that it would be 20-22 million per team. The Mountain West is only a couple of million per team. It would make more sense the the best of the MWC teams like Boise State go to the Pac 12 for more money. To be honest, most of the MWC football teams are mediocre at best.
I mean dont look at Boise State, ffs that program has tried to join the PAC 8 freaking times since 2002. I would say BSU, SDSU, Fresno State are above medicore. Utah State and Air Force are occasionally above medicore. It should also be noted these 5 schools went a combined 13-7 vs the PAC12 in the last 4 seasons.... In 2021 the 2nd best MWC team beat Utah who won the PAC.....
so if there medicore what does that make the PAC12 schools that the B10 and B12 just added?
I could see the AAC making a play for Oregon State and Washington State.
Financial viability is not there for Cal and Stanford to become independent in Football. No possible merger between Conferences. Kaliavkoff needs to be prepared for legal problems because there's was no contingency plan in case the PAC 12 does dissolve because no invitations have been given to Cal Stanford Oregon St & Washington St, with Oregon and Washington in talks with Big Ten and Utah Arizona St Arizona in talks with the Big 12
Could it be possible that the PAC-12 fails and then a new Power 5 conference rises from the ashes made up of the best teams remaining or the most profitable teams I guess? I wish it weren’t this way. Conferences should just be abolished and individual deals made with individual teams like how Notre Dame does it with TV deals.
Could the ACC provide WSU, OSU, Cal, and Stanford a lifeline?
If Big 12 get Arizona and ASU but can not convince Utah to come with them, I see GK going after UConn Hard for their Basketball program. With Arizona and UConn both joining the argument that the Big 12 is THE preimier basketball confrence would be hard to dispute.
UConn is not going anywhere. Big East sans football is what is going to happen. They are a GARBAGE group program at the moment.
You forgot 1 other scenario which is the Big 12 deciding to go to 18 as well which could see them possibly adding 5 more PAC schools leaving the MW with none.
Edit: Also possible the remaining PAC schools try to reload by taking a combination of G5 schools not just MW schools.
Yeah we could see American schools like SMU, Tulane, and Memphis added as well as MWC schools like UNLV, SDSU, UNLV, BOISE STATE.
@@jamiethornton6101 I personally don’t want the PAC to survive for multiple reasons. But what could work if going by brand and football success and success in other sports plus potential academic success would be the following:
4-PAC remaining schools plus Boise State, Nevada, Fresno State, San Diego State, Wyoming, and Utah State from MWC (although it will take 9 MWC schools to dissolve the conference and then merge with remaining PAC schools and still pay close to $34 million in exit fees possibly). That means most likely have to add Colorado State, San Jose State, and Hawaii to be eligible to dissolve the MWC and possibly lower the exit fees and might as well add a 10th MWC school in UNLV (though not deserving).
That then limits the number of schools you could potentially lure away from AAC if any. But if the new PAC wanted to get into central time zone and better markets and recruiting areas and go to 18 schools, then could add 4 AAC schools. SMU, UTSA, Rice, and Tulane.
This means that the AAC would add Air Force for all sports, Army for all sports, Navy becomes a full member, New Mexico joins, Coastal Carolina, University of Louisiana Lafayette, SFA, UTEP, and Liberty University to get them to 18 schools and still have at least 3 schools in Texas. If the AAC adds the two North Dakota schools and 2 South Dakota schools then add New Mexico State and UTEP (which this actually helps CUSA out) and Louisiana Lafayette and Coastal Carolina and keep an eye out on what happens in ACC and the return of the WAC, Big Sky, MVC, and Atlantic Sun 10 (I hate numerical conference names) move back to FBS status and rumors and whispers due to NIL and Scholarships and Transfer Portal issues that Ivy League and CAA are considering moving back.
That’s interesting
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mw would make the play off with Oregon St and Wa State combined with ND State
No one wants to play Boise State because they’re not an automatic win.
As a beaver fan I’d rather go to the AAC if we go g5. The AAC has a lot more money for us. If we go mountain west we wouldn’t have enough money for what we need. Also, come the time that the ACC crumbles, maybe some of those teams move to AAC and we’ve got a decent conference with teams like Boston College, Georgia tech, NC state and North Carolina maybe also.
The AAC is also a much easier conference to actually win....
@@EverydayEurope yeah but if Washington State and maybe cal and Stanford came there’s 3 close games and then schedule one for Oregon and 2 mountain west conference teams in preseason and you’ve got 6 close games
I know teams can’t leave the Acc because of a buyout rn but does the contract allow the ACC to add teams from the PAC 12?
The problem is that only Oregon and Washington would really bring enough value to make it worth it for the ACC and the Big 10 makes more sense for them in every respect.
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Washington State and Oregon State are poor academic schools in the middle of nowhere, they fit the profile of the Big 12.
You've said everything I've been thinking throughout this entire ordeal.
Cal does not appear in the same position as Stanford to go independent.
I'm not entirely sure how prestigious Cal is more than other MW schools, but my mode of thinking is that the MW has the highest number of California schools (now that the PAC is pretty much over) in their conference with San Jose State, San Diego State, and Fresno State.
I wonder if that would hold any appeal.
Do you mean prestigious at athletics or academics? Because if you don’t know how high of caliber that Cal is academically then idk what to say lol
Cal is a top 10 school in the nation. Please do your research!
Oh boy...put it this way - when you can be taught by, and do research alongside nobel prize winning chemists, physicists (I remember when we had George Smoot rooting on the sidelines against Oregon), economists, ect...you simply get exposed to a lot more, you have access to the largest library on West coast, the best labs, a significant pipeline to the Silicon Valley and the investors there, and your resume looks quite enhanced. It's big reasearch facilites vs.sState school thing (OSU and WSU were some of the original founders.) Secondly, even if you aren't one of the smartest kids in the country, you'll be going to class with them. I transferred there after Junior college (Cal allows transfers) and, even though getting straight A's in juco was really, really easy, I felt kinda dumb compared to my classmates, one of whom was up for the Fields Medal in mathematics. They're just on another plane of intellect, as are the grad students and professors; you really can't screw off throughout a school like Cal and still graduate. I've got a bunch of friends who went to SDSU, and I'm not sure what they ever learned there...at Cal you need to be able to read a shit load and retain stuff at a fast clip to graduate - that's why the athletes need to have at least a 3.0 in highschool to be admitted (after Tedford was let go, largely due to a few poor seasons, but really, one of the lowest grad rates in the Power 5). We've passed up a lot of guys who wouldn't qualify academically. This doesn't mean these schools don't offer a good education; they do, but the professors there typically use reasearch from the more prestigous ones.
The big problem for Cal? They are a public school without the massive endowment Stanford has, and they have 30 sports programs. Even if they do go with the MW, it won't generate anywhere near the $$$ Cal needs to pay for the new facilites that Tedford built, and all of those sports, so...some very good student athletes (3 NCAA championships last year) will likely see their programs axed.The major talking heads on most podcasts and sports shows only focus on football, but for Cal fans, this implosion will be hard to take.
Stanford and California should go to the ACC
🤔 The Mountain West Would Then Add Montana, Montana State, North Dakota State, and South Dakota State! 🤑
Personally I would find it interesting if the ACC tried to add Utah and Arizona State to keep their conference from collapsing
I saw a comment on r/cfb that was really interesting he talked about the B1G having 3 divisions. The Eastern, Middle, and Western.
Eastern: Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Rutgers, Clemson, Florida State
Middle: Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Minnesota, Purdue, Oklahoma State, Kansas
Western: Oregon, Washington, Washington State, Oregon State, Cal, Stanford, Utah, USC, UCLA
I changed it slightly but this is what the idea of the comment was in general.
Whoever wrote that was drunk if they think Oklahoma State, Kansas, Washington State, Utah, and Oregon State are getting B1G invites.
oregon, washington is going to the big 12 they confirmed 👍🏼 t
I think the MW should join the PAC en masse. The MW teams would now be a member of a P5 conference with a guaranteed berth in the playoffs for 2 years.
Unfortunately if that happened it would no longer be deemed a power conference, and would offer no path to the playoffs.
@@stevenlewis6781 The rules for the 12 team playoffs have already been agreed to and the Conference champ gets an automatic bid no matter what their record is. The agreement is for 2 years then a new agreement for the playoffs will be in place.
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Pac 12 needs to stay alive they should add Army, Airforce, Boise state, Utah state, San Diego state, Hawaii, Fresno state and san jose state..That’s a pretty solid conference right there..
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Who cares. Go Idaho and FCS
utah is a big 10 team