+KingHoneyBadger pcsx2 is pretty much the same as a regular ps2, without backwards compatibility, but can play any region game as long as you have a BIOS file for that region. however, PCSX2 does require a particularly powerful pc, as emulation is pretty costly on pc performance. i used to run kh2fm with the default settings on a Pentium 4 about a year ago, and performance was pretty bad.
***** What settings are you actually changing. You apply settings once, and you're done. most of the time you don't need to change shit other than if yoy're running more than 2 cores and then you'd have to change the affinity to 2
A quote I liked from Xemnas is gone. Xemnas: Riku, are you not jealous of Sora? Also, the drive time loading and Xemnas reaction command being bad screwed me plenty of times on Critical mode.
I managed to accidentally coax it out of him in 2.5 JP just once but have been unsuccessful in getting him to taunt either of them during that fight since.
Imma Xehanort Weird, because I've gotten both of them on my very first fight against him which really made me happy because on my KH2 copy HE NEVER SAYS THEM! I think ive heard the riku one twice on my original copy and i have done that fight i don't know how many times...
Imma Xehanort I also remember in the third part of the Xemnas fight (when you fight him in the head of the Nobody Dragon) that after you do the skyscraper RC the second time, he doesn't give an angry yell. I liked hearing that 'cause it really made me feel like I was pressuring him and giving him a real fight. I still loved playing 2.5 HD English the whole way through, but I can't deny that everything mentioned by Bizkit has bothered me at one point or another.
Regarding the point of Square not patching their HD re-releases - actually they did just patched Type-0 HD, removing its heavy blur and fixing the camera a bit. It was a small patch, but they made it, because people complained. I wonder where should we share this video for Square to notice it though.
+Serj Angelo The heavy blur isn't removed; it's optional. Additionally, it doesn't affect the game's performance. Type-0 didn't suffer from performance issues, but the rest of the HD remasters do, and Square Enix doesn't want to fix that because it's much more work than fixing camera controls and motion blur. Let's not forget that Type-0 is a PS4 game, a console with a ton of support as of now. The PS3 will be discontinuing soon, so it's pointless to patch games on PS3.
Also don't forget the annoying part of these games not being available digitally because of Hikaru Utada's dumb contract that forbids her songs from being distributed digitally.
That is probably why 2.5 won't be on PS4 as it seems like every PS4 game is available for download. Which begs the question: will we not hear the theme song in KH3?
That's something to consider when releasing games for the PS4. Shuhei Yoshida of SCE confirmed all PS4 games be available for digital download and will enforce such a policy like they do with the Vita, so that will become an obstacle for Square Enix to publish Kingdom Hearts III or even Kingdom Hearts 2.8 for that very platform because Utada is against her content being digitally distributed.
I thought I was crazy when I fought Xemnas on my 2.5 critical run. I remembered just spamming triangle when I was a kid. And when I was younger, I could barely beat the game in standard (I sucked) so it blew my mind that the final boss was so much harder than before.
Kh2/Fm Saix DM: "All shall be lost to YOU!!!" Sephiroth (Second Phase): "Know your place" Saix(basic attack): "DUH, DUH, BE GONE!" Phil:" Get Up on the Hydras' Back!" Xaldin: *Teleports* "Sora!" Jafar:"Japalachuafacha" Saix(Basic Attack): "RUH,RUH,RUH,RUH, MOVE ASIDE!" Saix(Basic Attack)"AERAAAAGHHHHH" Xigbar(DM):"Lets see how you dance" Kh2.5ReMiX Saix DM:"........" *Starts attacking* Sephiroth(Second Phase): "............" *Summons dark orbs* Saix(basic attack):"......., Duh,.....GONE!" Phil:"............" *Exclaiming silently* Xaldin:*Teleports* ".......!" Jafar:"Japala............" Saix(basic attack): "RUH,..........,...........,...........,..........!" Saix(Basic attack) "............................" XIGBAR:"Lets See how.............." 2.5 needs help
Dante Zeigler Are the Saix ones for DF or normal fight? Cos I could hear him fine in my copy in all the data fights but I don't recall the story fight...
The one I really miss is during armour Xemnas 2 fight in final bosses. After doing the building RC and breaking the shield, then doing snowflake skip, Xemnas usually lets out one of those long drawn out roars as you dodge and glide towards him. Completely gone from 2.5 unless he was taunting Riku or Sora just before the RC, in which case it does play for some reason.
I KNEW the final Xemnas fight wasn't that hard in the original!! Thought I was going crazy when I couldn't chain the reaction commands together during my 2.5 playthrough. I didn't notice the load times to be honest, but I can understand the frustration.
xNINJAxLUMPIAx Don't tell me !!! I can't beat his data Battle at LV1 because of that, my god in the original KH2 this was one of my favorite Boss Battle but they completely fucked up here.
I had the same experience, I was playing on Proud Mode and was fairly high leveled. I died many times that I got the timing down for the Reaction Commands but they didn't always appear
Escasnored That's exactly how I felt. I thought my memory was failing about not taking a single hit when I would replay that Final Xemnas fight on PS2 when I first played 2.5 (it had been a good 3 years at least that I hadn't played KH2 due to a broken PS2). Then I found out it was a common bug in the port that people experienced. It's absolutely ridiculous that they actually considered that mess ready for full release.
Anyway though, when I fought Sephiroth I was thinking "that flash step sounds like it has a lot less hits than I remember?" But I was right the audio isn't too big of a deal but having some of those more consistent ones back would be nice like man hearing it hit that many times sounds a lot scarier than a few slower ones
+joeshadowman Bullshit. It's obvious that this port was rushed. Look at other remastered games for the PS3 like the Ratchet and Clank collection, Jak and Daxter collection, Tomb Raider collection and more.
Kingdom080500 Look, I'm not saying that it isn't the fault of Square, I was just explaining why it didn't work. And it's a well know fact that the PS3's operating system sucks. Square didn't know how to use it, but the games you mention are made by in house developers. They've been working with the PS3 the most. They would know how to fix the bugs. Square didn't bother to care, so it ended up like that.
+MikachuTuhonen agreed. an excellent game such as KH2FM doesn't deserve such a terrible port :/ although, during my playthrough, it never crashed once for me, so maybe i was lucky x) one glitch i did pull off was somehow getting the battle music and the out of battle music to play simultaneously. it was during the mushroom heartless minigame in Christmas Town.
One of my big complaints is to the music at the final Xemnas battle starting too late killing the mood. In the original game, right after he says "yours" the song starts. In the 2.5 version however; it starts 3 seconds after he says "yours" which completely kills the mood.
+TrollForce I totally agree with you. I think there were a few other moments where the music didn't start on cue and it definitely affected the mood of the scene. These are tiny details, but they can influence the overall feeling of the game.
I think you mean the data fight when you skip the cutscene of him spawning in. Three seconds after saying "Anger and hate..are supreme." the music starts.
+Kingdom080500 Nah, the song timing is actually about 2 seconds off in the cutscene. If you look up the cutscene right before final Xemnas, and compare between 2.5 and 2, the difference is definitely there. Again, these are very small, seemingly insignificant details, but to someone who played that fight literally hundreds of times as a kid and knew all of the lines and cues, it immediately stands out.
I'm glad someone pointed this out. My god that was the biggest mood killer. As soon as he said "yours" on PS2, the beat dropped and shiz got real. Now it's so delayed and unimpactful.
xnomura95x why? What is the point of fixing a version if they're going to release a new one. If they can, they'll try and sell the fixes on the newest system. Square has no interest investing time and money into what they obvious consider "pointless fixes" because they obviously don't understand these things.
@Grade > why? What is the point of fixing a version if they're going to release a new one. Well, if they don't give a fuck about their customers, then I guess there really *is* no point.
***** The problem with KH2 is that the save system is made up of a single save file. Lose that and EVERY SINGLE ONE of your saves made in KH2 is lost. In BBS, you can create a save file and multiple backup files, so if you accidentally delete/corrupt say, a save of Aqua's story, you can just use a backup save.
hacked console and HDD(pal ps3 slim, ntsc game) compared to disc: 1) Area load times are much shorter but still ~1-2 seconds longer than ps2 2) Missing sound bits are still missing 3) Final xemnas RC fails to appear ~1-3 times during full attack 4) Drive forms load much faster than normally but pause buffer is recommended 5) Pre fight freeze only happened on cerberus (10 playthroughs) and it's barely noticable (few frames) 6) Xemnas 1 crash still exists 7) No random deaths/damage (so far) 8) BBS command styles load instantly(up to 0.25 seconds load) 9) BBS areas load much faster
matra11ramaks Sweet, thanks for all the info and testing! It's sad to know that some of the issues in this video could still persist on PS4 even with data install. Let's hope they see this video even more then. Your post confirms that Final Xemnas & missing sound effects are NOT tied to load times being too long.
Bizkit047 Final Xemnas bug could still be from load times, because while it still fails the RC it isn't as often as "regular" game . Unfortunately i don't have SSD to check if it would still be the case
matra11ramaks Unless I misread, you said it fails to appear 1-3 times during full attack, that's roughly the same as normal, or did you mean something else?
Hello, I am from the future. In the PC version, from my experience, the load times are instant for drives and summons, and pretty much instant after death. I haven't tested every crash, but Experiment doesn't crash occasionally for me anymore.
You can dodge Larxene's (AS) Desperation Move by simply popping Valor Form, I shit you not. Pop it right as she starts, and it takes so long that she burns through the whole move before your form loads. Kind of awesome actually. Makes it dodgeable before you get Dodge Roll or a Quick Run with invincibility frames.
bluroguevyse08 If you used that same form earlier in the fight, you'd die instantly cuz it keeps it in memory. Also, that idea only works in English 2.5. In JP 2.5 you'd get hit that way, since forms load slightly faster there. Also, using drive load times on purpose as a way to dodge things is a bad idea due to sometimes the load times for them are variable and can be faster or slower than you expect, which can randomly put you in terrible situations
I don't import, so I had to wait until English came out (I'm American) (also, it was amazing to finally play this game after watching you play it all these years). As far as Larxene AS, it was reliable. In my extensive and recent experience with English 2.5, sometimes the form you used earlier still takes the same amount of time to load in the exact same fight (which surprised the shit out of me the first time it happened). I have no idea what factors determine this. Perhaps using another form and then using the first one again, but it would need to be tested. In this case, I don't remember if it consistently loaded slow or not, but since I had two forms (Valor and Wisdom), I could Valor the first time and then Wisdom the 2nd (first healing Doland if need be ;). So as long as you kill her in 2 DMs or less, it won't matter and you never need to test it at all. Anyway, when Larxene AS appeared in my Lvl1 CM playthrough, I didn't want to wait until Twilight Town to fight her (returning to TT gets you Limit form, which allows sufficient form leveling to gain Invincibility Frame growth abilities, as I'm sure you know), so the only option for dodging her DM at this point in the game was this strategy I came up with. I could still easily dodge it via [Dodge Roll --> Quick Run] on repeat when I fought her Data later (yeah, you can Glide, but it feels kind of cheap and I'm sure I don't need to justify 'restricted Org fights' to you; restricting can be very satisfying and fun). Side note: Pulling off the Genie Final --> Reflega, Vicinity Break, Explosion strat against Larxene is incredibly satisfying. Whoever came up with that is goddamn genius. Saw it in your WR vid and was incredulous. Thanks for posting sick vids, dude.
After 6 years KH 1.5 and 2.5 Remix is released on Epic Games for Windows PC and they really delivered. -Mechanics are much better, drive works basically instantaneously as it should. -Game runs very well as it has never crashed through my playthroughs. Load times are much quicker, no final Xemnas glitch ever. -Sound effects are flawless in my experience of approx. 600+ hours played -Thank the lord there are soft resets without save points required. Glad I got back into the Kingdom Hearts franchise literally months after it released on Epic Games
Thanks for your comment. I was wondering how many of these coaches are fixed nowadays. I’m glad that you newcomers didn’t have to deal with any of this. Every year goes by and it gets easier and easier to get into Kingdom Hearts. So SE are doing something right.
Not sure if anyone else noted this, but I had an experience where you can create lag pauses by activating a Drive form while enemies load up. During a practice playthrough in CoR in the last Nobody mob fight, i used a drive into Final to finish off a Dragoon to start the next wave, but since both the drive and the enemies were loading at the same time, it created a lag pause. Most likely ENG 2.5 problem, since JP 2.5 lacks the lag pauses. This could explain why Riku summit fight also lag pauses when loading a Drive, since Rapid Thrusters are being loaded in at the same time.
Why did I watch this? When it comes to glitches in game I never have them happen to me till I hear about them. Did not know about crashes now I bet the next time I play the game I will continuously get them. P.S. good vid like always
I THOUGHT I WAS THE OLNY ONE WHO NOTICED SOUND EFFECTS! Thank YOU! Also when maleficent is next to the cornerstone of light in Disney castle talking to queen mini and the gang there is no evil music. But there was in original KHFM. :(
Man, the Xemnas stuff especially just makes me wonder what idiot playtested this port. How do you not see that the SINGLE Drive Form you're allowed to use during Xemnas 1 doesn't work, along with what's supposed to happen during *the very first attack* of Final Xemnas!
In regards to the sound issue, I wouldn't say it's minor. It can effect gameplay on a personal level. When you hear a specific sound you can read the next move if you don't catch it with your eye. At least that's how it is for me. Not really something that needs to be fixed but should be added. Control mapping or the option to use the japanese controls in the english version.
I’m guessing they really did fix all these issues with the PS4 port, yeah my game on 2.5 chugged a couple of times but never crashed, never lagged, everything worked fine, load times were on par with ps2 version.
It's tough when you have the exact same team that's working on KH3 have to work on these HD remasters on the side. They really just should have gotten a new team altogether to work on them.
That is a completely dumb idea, especially when they realized how KH1 and 2 are such good games while making these ports, which helped out greatly in KH3's development.
After seeing the video, i realised that the sound effects are missing, thank you for that :) And I also have to say, it somehow was better on the PS2, because like you said, the loading times are much longer than that, and I notice an input delay on big TVs(On the PS3 Version). I didn´t try that with the PS2, but now I have to say, it´s not as good as I thought. Thanks Bizkit :D
This was the sole reason why I play the original PS2 release of KH2, it runs better and it plays to it's full intended potential. But at least I get to see Xigbar's cool sniper gun in the 2.5 release, but that'd mean playing the whole broken game again.
Wow man, having reached the end of my playthrough of the PS4 port, I'm so glad to not have come across these issues. Loading in particular seems to be in a really good state and I was impressed by that even without knowing it was shitty in PS3. I'm frankly glad I skipped this title for PS3.
Hey Biz this is Darkrai48 from the streams just wanted to say great video and I 100% agree they should fix these problems. Even though I have 100% the Jiminy Journal on english 2.5 I do really get bugged by its problems so I hope Square will fix them so I can truly enjoy my favorite game. Thanks for the video cant wait to see more videos and streams.
I didn't even realize that slow loading time caused the final Xemnas fight throw to be broken as hell. I kept getting killed by that and I had no idea why because I was using the reaction commands properly. That's insane.
It's not confirmed that load times were the cause of the Xemnas Fight being glitched, but it's a valid theory since everything else in the game loads slower then before.
The PS2 was a bit of an oddball architecture, particularly in the way data had to be fetched. In many cases, optimizations were so fine tuned that physical position of the data on the disc were crucial. Translating such optimizations to the PS3 is undoubtedly a formidable task, though that does not in any way excuse the new, sometimes very blatant game-breaking bugs that have been introduced.
So it wasnt just me then...i always thought the lag pauses were something unique to my game or that my PS3 was being dumb because I had never seen or heard anyone else talk about them in 2.5 HD well I guess im not entirely wrong in the sense that it is unique to my game, it just happens to be unique to all the overseas versions apparently...at least I know im not crazy then whenever i see it consistently good to know, thanks for the informative video
Bizkit im not sure what your stance is on giving opinions on games that are yet to come out but squareenix E3 played a few hours ago and there was a decent amount of gameplay for KH3 in it. Obviously you can't give the final judgement now but from what there is (you can already find the E3 gameplay on youtube if you missed it) what do you think of the game so far? And are you going to be trying to come up with strats along with other guys with the intent to speed run it later like the first 2 games. Also what would you like to see in KH3 even just as a personal preference not necessarily as a speedrunner and what do you think would definitely be a bad decision to add in the new game?
Wondered about the Xemnas issue thought it was me being shit on critical lmao. Had a couple lags here and there yeah the load times are atrocious. Great vid biz
unrelated kinda, but i hate how in re:com on ps4, there's this weird lag after fights where sora just. stands there for a good 5 seconds before the game realizes that the fight's over. ooooof. square, please. it's not every fight either just totally random?
They should add an option that allows you to restart a boss battle over again after you lose, instead of reloading the last checkpoint, which in 2.5 is atrocious, making you run back to the where the boss is, trigger another load screen, skip the cutscene, trigger ANOTHER load screen... Only to have you fail in five seconds flat. The amount of time it takes to begin the boss battle was longer than that of my attempts to beat terra. Ugh. BBS has this option too..
Wow. As someone who didn't own a PS3 but was anticipating a KH2.5 PS4 port, I'll have to keep this video in mind before purchasing it and see if they fix this crap. Hard to say if they will or not, because while they just patched Type-0, FFX HD for the PS4 still suffers from RNG issues and a music glitch that didn't even exist in the PS3 version. We should definitely find a way to express these concerns.
PlainOlJoe I agree, if we're vocal about it, it seems they may listen, which is what I hope this video accomplishes. When you port something and make it worse than previous versions...that's poor porting.
In addition to all the things you've pointed out, I've actually died a number of times to Data Roxas on level 1 because his dash attack would just ignore my block. I'm not sure if that was intended to be possible by the developers considering you're usually able to block that move. In case you're wondering what I mean, there is a video on my channel showing what happened
Ben This is actually an issue in original 2FM as well. It's distance based where he can get through Guard (probably somehow start the hitbox behind you). A solution to this is to just Dodge Roll or Quick Run the attack instead or simply get far from him, it has a distance cap
0:09 - 0:16 WAIT WHAT !? Ohhh yes ! I hope square enix makes a 3rd remake of KH2. And in my opinion of 2.5 theres nothing much wrong with it besides one thing. They shouldn't replaced roxas' voice from his original tovm ventus'. Sure roxas is the nobody of sora and has the appearance of ventus since ventus is apart of sora's heart but you cant ruin a classic in KH2. Also, i have no idea why square enix removed some of the best sound effects such as the absent soulliette battle cries and quotes in the 2.5 remix. In the original KH2 the story bosses (the orgisation members) all died with quotes at the. Saix: "if i had a heart" Xigbar: "I lost ? Me ?!" Xemnas: "Curses ... keyblade" Luxord: "You played the game quiet well" Whereas, all the absent souliette boss dont have battle quotes during the battle of once defeated. Other than sound effects. Drive loads times and the xemnas glitch wasnt a problem since ive watched ***** data org battle guide and it helps a lot.
Yeah thats the one im reffering to for roxas, the 2.5 remix doesnt have the orginal voice of roxas, they replaced it with ventus'. As for the absent silhouette the orginal japnese version the voices and battle quotes were removed aswell.
***** ohh i completely forgot about 358/2 days but yeah i guess that makes sense. Overally my opinion is that roxas' old battle cries were a lot more i would say more like roxas and better. But in terms of kingdom hearts logic: yeah roxas has the appearance of ventus since ventus a piece of soras heart but roxas is his own person; he deserves his old battle cry back, dont know why square changed it :/
This video covered the 2.5 problems well, but let's also hope that, if SE ever winds up making plans for a PS4 set in the future(even if they currently aren't at this time as Nomura stated not long ago), that 1.5's issues are also rectified. It doesn't have as many that were prevalent in 2.5, and they occur much more rarely, but many people have experienced either freezing during certain segments(usually right before the ending FMV), or this atrocious sound bug where your speakers make a ton of those grating, booming noise. At first, people had assumed it was just a faulty batch of discs. However, that was proven wrong when people noted these same errors occurred in original Japanese copies during some streams, as well as the fact many international copies shared the same problem across multiple regions. Even if these problems are relatively minor compared to the more common ones of 2.5 due to how rare they occur(with a good deal of fanboys dismissing the fact just because it never happened to them), it's still a thing that must be fixed if they're ever to do another re-release.
Im really glad other people are running into problems and its not just me im literally stuck and can't continue in the game because it freezes during a cutscene every time so I doubt i will even be able to finish the game which is sad because this game was on of my favorites when i was younger.
While not a problem with KH2.5 Japanese (as far as I'm aware), KH1.5 Japanese has a lipsyncing problem with some of the cutscenes where the lips move according to the English dialogue as opposed to the Japanese dialogue. Sometimes it only affects small portions of scenes such as the scene at Destiny Islands between Sora, Riku, and Kairi where only Riku is affected by the lip sync switch; other times it affects whole scenes such as both Hollow Bation scenes before the Riku fights. Not sure if you noticed that but I felt that I should point it out.
bubbajoe117 +bubbajoe117 Considering that KH is half owned by Disney, that wouldn't surprise me. However, I also agree with Bizkit and don't think Square Enix game tested the HD versions. It would explain a lot of the problems with the games.
Pixel Grip I don't really ever intend on playing Kingdom hearts in Japanese, i've been listening to their English versions since the beginning and it would feel weird otherwise, besides I like their English actors, they've always been good with their actor selection.
I got 1.5 and 2.5 about a month ago and am loving them I didn't even realize about these issues as i never played the ps2 originals except for the drive load times witch luckily my friend told me about the pause technique before I started playing I hope square does a good job with 2.8 witch they should because only one of the games is a port
Hey bizkitz great video, other thing that i realize is that at least in english version there are some frame drops in some sections like in the last page of pooh world there is a huge frame drop.
Seems like they didn't fix the sound effects in the PS4 version. I was wondering why there was some missing quotes and why things didn't play like they did before. However, they did fix the load times; they work very excellent, even faster than the PS2 version(of course), and the glitches are gone, but there are some minimal ones.
The only issue I have is that when I'm in the middle of the game, the screen beeps and then it says loading trophy data or something like that, and then it takes me right back to select a game.
So far i haven't had any issue on the ps3, only thing being prevalent is the hour long load times (i blame the spinning heart) That could be due to my more casual nature, as in not going for the better strats thus causing more load times; and my eye not catching some of the glitches. Its a shame that they seem to not care about fixing the broken issues; and props to the communities that are able to deliver where the companies will not. (referring to the English patch, and methods on how to play final mix on US ps2/emulator)
Thanks for the Drive form pause buffer trick. From what I know on the PS2 the data on the DVDs was actually organized so that it would reduce loading times, and the drive itself was functioning differently then a PS3 drive. A Data Install would be great, at least partial (character and weapon models, animations etc.) but we won't get it on a PS3. PS4 requires games to be installed to the hard drive though.
I know this is seriously old but you should address what they fixed/what was fixed by load times, and what they didnt fix in the PS4 collection. That would be interesting
There was another Final Xemnas glitch in the Story So Far. I don't know what actually triggers it but what it does is it makes Xemnas invisible for a bit making the battle longer. For my trigger of the glitch, he did the juggling attack to spam reversals but I spammed triangle too early (I think?) and it caused the Riku Session attack, and once I was finished with it. All I saw was just orbs being thrown at me when nothing was there. It kind of fixed itself when he did another attack but still Squares really not looking at the game carefully to still have a glitch in the game.
Yeah, that's exactly what I do. Estimating the time, it takes two seconds longer to use a Drive Form. As it turns out, when the 'E' in 'pause' flips, two seconds have just passed, assuming you count from zero like a stopwatch.
i know bbs was not that good but it has one thing i would like to see in the 1.5 2.5 for ps4 a retry option after dying in a boss fight, it would be useful in kh 1 and 2
totally agree. KHIIFM is the best game for a level 1 run and other challenges IMO, but when you have to go accross an area and skip 1-3 cutscenes just to restart a boss battle (eg. Demyx, Lingering Will) it kills your morale. Add the increased load times and you spend more time out of battle than in it, which takes a lot of the fun out of it.
The only thing I really noticed was the drive form load, but after this I realized that there's so much more wrong. I though I was just bad at Xemnas which is why I kept dying haha. Hopefully these things are fixed if they decide to make a PS4 port!
Hmm, interesting video. I can definitely agree with the long loads on the drive forms but I actually have never run into any lag/load times on battles like you showed. Never had any freezes either, and as far as I can tell the sound effects seemed fine (though it might be hard to catch that). Regardless, that issue with Xemnas (especially when fighting data version) makes it very frustrating...
I found an issue with Timeless River's sounds that it would make a nasty Audio sound if Sora did a move or did something to make a lot of noise, similar to headphones that can't handle certain sounds.
Its funny for how in the TFS livestream of KH1 in 1.5 where they found a glitch that broke the game, they laughed at the fans of KH1 proclaiming "WHERE IS YOUR GAME NOW?!!?!?" Whereas thanks to you, now I learned that KH2 in 2.5 has a LOT more problems than KH1 did in the PS3 ports. Funny how things work like that...they took more time to clean up KH1 for the port but didn't bother that much with KH2, the most popular of the titles. Somebody didn't think that through apparently.
I thought I was the only one who ran into that crash at Xemnas 1, but geez this game isn't really optimized for PS3. If only Square allowed for a data install option, I would be a lot happier hearing all of the sound effects correctly played and faster load times
the final xemnas fight (both story and data) are busted af. his reaction command where he throws sora up and slashes around never works, so you take chip damage. I have had him loop me in it 3 times and kill me in critical mode
My KH2FM keeps crashing and takes me back to the game select screen. It happens when I try to fight Terra or when I load a save file or go to a different room BBS works fine.
+TheVenXIII The same thing happens to me when farming for drive orbs in the cavern of rememberence during screen transitions, and only there. Oddly enough, this only happened in my critical run and not on standard difficulty.
It occasionally did this during my 2FM playthrough, but it got insanely bad by TWNTW. Tried to leave the place...crash. Tried to fight Lexaeus...crash. BEAT Lexaeus after a long fight...CRASH. After beating the game and eventually wanting to do Data Org, it just crashed to the select screen every time now.
I've had problems with crashes but for me their extremely rare. Some of the boss fights not saying things when their suppose to, never had that problem either. A problem I did have is going into drive forms and getting attacked after activating drives, but it wasn't bad not like the one you showed in the video. Basically the enemy would get thrown into the air and I'd have time to attack back. It's rare but that drive punish has happened to me, it's not very often that I would be attacked by that. I have experience the Xemnas's throw attack and the reaction commad failing on me but majority of the time it doesn't happen to me. It would be pretty nice to have a soft reset too.
Dude gave me an idea how to beat Xemnas Data battle on Critical now. I didn't even think about the Reflect spam when he throws you up for massive damage.
Hey, Just gotta say (Not at all being a fanboy here!) that I've never experienced any of the bugs you mentioned, aside from the Drive forms thing. Either I'm blessed by some video game god or I'm just lucky.
Archmage Flapjack Stuff like sound effects you DID experience, you just didn't notice it likely. They are consistent. Stuff like Final Xemnas you would notice if you played the game on Critical Mode. If you play the game on Beginner or Standard, it's pretty easy to not care about getting hit during his throw move with RC fails (especially if you only did the fight once). The RC drops in that fight are incredibly consistent to at least 1 RC drop per throw move, very rarely can you get past an entire throw move without an RC drop.
I remember when I was in that fight where you fight nobodies with Squal in the beginning of the game ( first time you visit Hollow Bastion) and suddenly Sora got into a T-stance. I remember this happening to me in kh2fm but that was only when I use codes to play as other characters or change the move sets.but I wasn't doing that in KH2.5 . also my game wasn't pirated or anything like that. its really weird that it happened
(this is just speculation) these issues (even if using cfw hdd loading) proably show up due to the ps3's ram limitations. (which could be a reason why square wont attempt to fix those issues) it could also be a mix of how the ps3's cell proccessor/spu/rsx combo works. (which could lead to slowdowns etc..) i believe that a ps4 port would actually make things a lot better.
That's still not an excuse because the PS3 has far more RAM memory than the PS2, and that's not counting the PS3's VRAM memory. The only real cause of the load times is that it's a straight port that will behave as if it was for the PS2, which gives the game technological boundaries such as limited CPU and GPU, and tie it with the fact it's on a Blu-Ray disc, and Blu-Ray players load slower than DVD players.
Though I've never encountered the Xemnas 1st fight crash, or really paid much attention to the sound effect issue, I have noticed the loading times issue (as that was pretty obvious) and the Final Xemans reaction command issue (which got me killed in my Critical Mode run-through). I wouldn't mind them fixing it for a PS4 port, but I would honestly prefer them just patch it for PS3.
I just bought this game and I have noticed that for some odd reason I don't have voice acting in the engine rendered cutscenes at all. It really doesn't make the game unplayable but it annoys the crap out of me.
Randomly decided to boot up my PS3 for old times sake after this popped in my recommended, and yeah, it's really this bad lol Glad these issues would be fixed on the PS4 port. Plus bonus points for Square not being lazy and fixing the initial PS4 port too. Remember seeing vids on that, yikes 😬 Wonder of Square is also gonna make a PS5 update too? I hope they do, although I can't really see a huge need tbh. Anyways, kinda nostalgic as the PS3 version of KH2 were some of my favorites gaming memories. KH2fm's lvl1 runs are what got me into challenge runs and always playing games on the hardest difficulty. Playing 2FM lvl1 from beginning to end on my PS3 for the last time while waiting for my PS4 to ship so I play KH3 is kinda bittersweet ngl
The only problems I experienced during my Proud Mode run were long load times between cutscenes and after initiating Drive Forms. The game never crashed and I don't remember there ever being a period of lag before a boss fight that you pointed out near the end of your load time rant. The only other problem I experienced was dieing to Final Xemnas as you pointed out near the end of the video. One other consequence of the fight glitching out is that I am heavily discouraged from attempting the Xemnas Data Org fight. The reason being is that you have to fight both forms, and if you die to the Final Form, I hear that you have to start at the beginning of the first Xemnas fight, not back at this Final Form. I don't want to finish Xemnas' first form, just to die almost immediately at the Final Form fight to due to a glitch. If I persevered I'm sure I could succeed, but dieing due to a glitch, especially the Data Org fight which can be long and challenging, is completely unacceptable. Last thing, there are several points in the video where you display glitches and the footage stops or stutters. I thought the video was skipping multiple times. If there is a way to notify viewers that the video isn't messing up, like with an annotation or something, that would be great.
i have a hunch they took out a lot of the voice clips to prevent some bosses from getting annoying to some players who struggle to win. like Silver from Sonic 06 saying "its no use!" every time you jump, or Lorithia in Xenoblade Chronicles with "you will pay for your insolence!" every time you hit her. it could also just be a bad port that doesnt load the voice clips, but i wanna believe they put some effort into the port somewhere. it crashed on me during the Hades Paradox cup (loading screen to round 42), im not a fan of the port for anything more than the FM content in a language i understand.
The Xemnas RC crash is caused because you're inflicted with the Nil attack before reverting to your normal state The game treats the Nill thing as a state transformation of its own, as it modifies Sora's appearance. Doing the RC to get rid of it tells the game to put him back in his normal state. However, reverting from Limit form while in the Nil attack tells the game that he has already reverted, so it gets confused when you tell it to revert again It's due to the differing system in which the whole Form thing was used on the PS3. The PS2 used a simplified hexadecimal system (same type of system used for flinch count) while I'm not sure what PS3 uses or why it was changed
zingodoom I noticed in the footage that the Curse as I always called it vanished as he reverted, only to appear just to be smashed for the RC so that is logical
zingodoom That all sounds plausible and all, but can't be true because the crash doesn't exist in 2.5 JP, something was changed (likely something with English text loading, that's all that should be changed between vers) that causes the crash on English (and apparently PAL too)
Interesting.... well given that they were too lazy to redo the text and instead just programmed it OVER the Japanese text, it's possible that it's because "Revert" and "Facedown" are different. Those are the biggest leads I've got in that case....
zingodoom My guess was honestly something about loading Limit text in English. The Limit Form translations are new in English, so something must be going wrong with that. When I did the Randomizer 2FM playthrough, the Xemnas 1 fight had to have the building RC attached to a Shortcut to make the fight winnable...and since Limit Form Limits use Shortcut too...
zingodoom I cannot speak for 2.5 alone, but doing hacked fights in the original KH2FM shows that you can actually use Facedown on Xemnas without being cursed, and it doesn't crash or lag in the slightest. Unless they altered the Reaction Command itself, there is no way 2.5 could suddenly have trouble dispelling Xemnas's curse, even if the hypothesis of it being considered no longer there is true.
Your continuing lack of a pretentious dubstep-backed intro animation is much appreciated.
Ah so you know the gamers joint as well?
**coughcoughgamer’sjointcoughcough**
Still so accurate
The reason why I don't like that guys channel.
Steven Hesson really? That’s the only reason? You’re a more kind man than I.
PS2 Master Race
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+Alpha Blazer You mean PCSX2 master race.
+KingHoneyBadger pcsx2 is pretty much the same as a regular ps2, without backwards compatibility, but can play any region game as long as you have a BIOS file for that region. however, PCSX2 does require a particularly powerful pc, as emulation is pretty costly on pc performance. i used to run kh2fm with the default settings on a Pentium 4 about a year ago, and performance was pretty bad.
+Tyler Garrett Dude you're just too f-in lazy
***** What settings are you actually changing. You apply settings once, and you're done. most of the time you don't need to change shit other than if yoy're running more than 2 cores and then you'd have to change the affinity to 2
A quote I liked from Xemnas is gone.
Xemnas: Riku, are you not jealous of Sora?
Also, the drive time loading and Xemnas reaction command being bad screwed me plenty of times on Critical mode.
I managed to accidentally coax it out of him in 2.5 JP just once but have been unsuccessful in getting him to taunt either of them during that fight since.
Imma Xehanort Weird, because I've gotten both of them on my very first fight against him which really made me happy because on my KH2 copy HE NEVER SAYS THEM! I think ive heard the riku one twice on my original copy and i have done that fight i don't know how many times...
Imma Xehanort
I also remember in the third part of the Xemnas fight (when you fight him in the head of the Nobody Dragon) that after you do the skyscraper RC the second time, he doesn't give an angry yell. I liked hearing that 'cause it really made me feel like I was pressuring him and giving him a real fight.
I still loved playing 2.5 HD English the whole way through, but I can't deny that everything mentioned by Bizkit has bothered me at one point or another.
+Imma Xehanort Is that quote from DDD? That's the only one I haven't played and I don't remember that quote
gamerprince1999 No, it's from KH2. Why else would I bring it up?
I have come to love these simple, direct, and descriptive videos.
Naruto strikers shinobi & dbxv 🎉
Regarding the point of Square not patching their HD re-releases - actually they did just patched Type-0 HD, removing its heavy blur and fixing the camera a bit. It was a small patch, but they made it, because people complained. I wonder where should we share this video for Square to notice it though.
+Serj Angelo The heavy blur isn't removed; it's optional. Additionally, it doesn't affect the game's performance. Type-0 didn't suffer from performance issues, but the rest of the HD remasters do, and Square Enix doesn't want to fix that because it's much more work than fixing camera controls and motion blur.
Let's not forget that Type-0 is a PS4 game, a console with a ton of support as of now. The PS3 will be discontinuing soon, so it's pointless to patch games on PS3.
I guess they never did. Square really need to be more transparent with their customers lol
Also don't forget the annoying part of these games not being available digitally because of Hikaru Utada's dumb contract that forbids her songs from being distributed digitally.
That is probably why 2.5 won't be on PS4 as it seems like every PS4 game is available for download.
Which begs the question: will we not hear the theme song in KH3?
+I'm Nori That's dumb. They could just release the game normally, who cares about a digital release?
That's something to consider when releasing games for the PS4. Shuhei Yoshida of SCE confirmed all PS4 games be available for digital download and will enforce such a policy like they do with the Vita, so that will become an obstacle for Square Enix to publish Kingdom Hearts III or even Kingdom Hearts 2.8 for that very platform because Utada is against her content being digitally distributed.
+I'm Nori 2.8? But DDD used orchestrated Simple and Clean. That still counts?
Kingdom080500 Utada is still given credit for the theme song as a whole. That would explain Dream Drop Distance not being available digitally.
I thought I was crazy when I fought Xemnas on my 2.5 critical run. I remembered just spamming triangle when I was a kid. And when I was younger, I could barely beat the game in standard (I sucked) so it blew my mind that the final boss was so much harder than before.
This is exactly what Square needs to view and work upon
Kh2/Fm
Saix DM: "All shall be lost to YOU!!!"
Sephiroth (Second Phase): "Know your place"
Saix(basic attack): "DUH, DUH, BE GONE!"
Phil:" Get Up on the Hydras' Back!"
Xaldin: *Teleports* "Sora!"
Jafar:"Japalachuafacha"
Saix(Basic Attack): "RUH,RUH,RUH,RUH, MOVE ASIDE!"
Saix(Basic Attack)"AERAAAAGHHHHH"
Xigbar(DM):"Lets see how you dance"
Kh2.5ReMiX
Saix DM:"........" *Starts attacking*
Sephiroth(Second Phase): "............" *Summons dark orbs*
Saix(basic attack):"......., Duh,.....GONE!"
Phil:"............" *Exclaiming silently*
Xaldin:*Teleports* ".......!"
Jafar:"Japala............"
Saix(basic attack): "RUH,..........,...........,...........,..........!"
Saix(Basic attack) "............................"
XIGBAR:"Lets See how.............."
2.5 needs help
Dante Zeigler Good compilation, I probably could have made over a 10 minute video displaying all the audio problems alone lmao
I was wondering why Phil doesn't say anything, and I thought it was because they decided to remove the audio for some reason lol
Dante Zeigler Are the Saix ones for DF or normal fight? Cos I could hear him fine in my copy in all the data fights but I don't recall the story fight...
Are you saying you like Phil's constant screaming?
The one I really miss is during armour Xemnas 2 fight in final bosses. After doing the building RC and breaking the shield, then doing snowflake skip, Xemnas usually lets out one of those long drawn out roars as you dodge and glide towards him. Completely gone from 2.5 unless he was taunting Riku or Sora just before the RC, in which case it does play for some reason.
I KNEW the final Xemnas fight wasn't that hard in the original!! Thought I was going crazy when I couldn't chain the reaction commands together during my 2.5 playthrough. I didn't notice the load times to be honest, but I can understand the frustration.
Final Xemnas was so frustrating at LVL 1 because of the RC issue, but I eventually beat him
Fuck yeah! I was wondering why the fuck it was so hard to dodge the strands!
xNINJAxLUMPIAx Don't tell me !!! I can't beat his data Battle at LV1 because of that, my god in the original KH2 this was one of my favorite Boss Battle but they completely fucked up here.
I had the same experience, I was playing on Proud Mode and was fairly high leveled. I died many times that I got the timing down for the Reaction Commands but they didn't always appear
Escasnored That's exactly how I felt. I thought my memory was failing about not taking a single hit when I would replay that Final Xemnas fight on PS2 when I first played 2.5 (it had been a good 3 years at least that I hadn't played KH2 due to a broken PS2). Then I found out it was a common bug in the port that people experienced. It's absolutely ridiculous that they actually considered that mess ready for full release.
Anyway though, when I fought Sephiroth I was thinking "that flash step sounds like it has a lot less hits than I remember?" But I was right the audio isn't too big of a deal but having some of those more consistent ones back would be nice like man hearing it hit that many times sounds a lot scarier than a few slower ones
I really don't get how they could just let all of these bugs slide. I also don't get how the ps2 loaded the game perfectly fine but the ps3 can't.
Amanda Miller My guess is because of BBS and the movie sharing the space with FM
Rush i guess
+Amanda Miller Honesty, the PS3's operating system just sucks.
+joeshadowman Bullshit. It's obvious that this port was rushed. Look at other remastered games for the PS3 like the Ratchet and Clank collection, Jak and Daxter collection, Tomb Raider collection and more.
Kingdom080500 Look, I'm not saying that it isn't the fault of Square, I was just explaining why it didn't work. And it's a well know fact that the PS3's operating system sucks. Square didn't know how to use it, but the games you mention are made by in house developers. They've been working with the PS3 the most. They would know how to fix the bugs. Square didn't bother to care, so it ended up like that.
Thank you for this video! Hopefuly Square sees it.
+MikachuTuhonen agreed. an excellent game such as KH2FM doesn't deserve such a terrible port :/ although, during my playthrough, it never crashed once for me, so maybe i was lucky x) one glitch i did pull off was somehow getting the battle music and the out of battle music to play simultaneously. it was during the mushroom heartless minigame in Christmas Town.
SQUARE, ARE YOU WATCHING!?
One of my big complaints is to the music at the final Xemnas battle starting too late killing the mood. In the original game, right after he says "yours" the song starts. In the 2.5 version however; it starts 3 seconds after he says "yours" which completely kills the mood.
+TrollForce I totally agree with you. I think there were a few other moments where the music didn't start on cue and it definitely affected the mood of the scene. These are tiny details, but they can influence the overall feeling of the game.
I think you mean the data fight when you skip the cutscene of him spawning in. Three seconds after saying "Anger and hate..are supreme." the music starts.
+Kingdom080500 Nah, the song timing is actually about 2 seconds off in the cutscene. If you look up the cutscene right before final Xemnas, and compare between 2.5 and 2, the difference is definitely there. Again, these are very small, seemingly insignificant details, but to someone who played that fight literally hundreds of times as a kid and knew all of the lines and cues, it immediately stands out.
Emmitt Smith Ohhhh, I see.
I'm glad someone pointed this out. My god that was the biggest mood killer. As soon as he said "yours" on PS2, the beat dropped and shiz got real. Now it's so delayed and unimpactful.
They should make a patch and fix theese problems on the PS3 version first and then think about a PS4 version
xnomura95x why? What is the point of fixing a version if they're going to release a new one. If they can, they'll try and sell the fixes on the newest system. Square has no interest investing time and money into what they obvious consider "pointless fixes" because they obviously don't understand these things.
Garde Noir Well they should do this for the gamers that still play the PS3 version. If I buy a game I want it without bugs and issues.
+xnomura95x i think a install option like they did in bayonetta ps3 would work
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> why? What is the point of fixing a version if they're going to release a new one.
Well, if they don't give a fuck about their customers, then I guess there really *is* no point.
Garde Noir Why? Because customers paid for a product they don't expect to be glitched and bugged to the tits, that's why.
Can we just talk about how unacceptable it is that the PS3 has a "Game Data Utility" feature which is fucking awesome and 2.5 just refuses to use it?
I know! BBS uses it, why not KH2?
What is that supposed to do?
***** The problem with KH2 is that the save system is made up of a single save file. Lose that and EVERY SINGLE ONE of your saves made in KH2 is lost. In BBS, you can create a save file and multiple backup files, so if you accidentally delete/corrupt say, a save of Aqua's story, you can just use a backup save.
KeybladeWielderXV Seriously? And KH 2.5 lacked this? What... the hell.
whilst i like the nostalgia of playing the PS2 game, i feel its a huge risk of losing saves. 1.5 and ReCOM also suffered from this issue
My game doesn't lag this bad. I'm either very lucky or the European version is better optimised for some reason
hacked console and HDD(pal ps3 slim, ntsc game) compared to disc:
1) Area load times are much shorter but still ~1-2 seconds longer than ps2
2) Missing sound bits are still missing
3) Final xemnas RC fails to appear ~1-3 times during full attack
4) Drive forms load much faster than normally but pause buffer is recommended
5) Pre fight freeze only happened on cerberus (10 playthroughs) and it's barely noticable (few frames)
6) Xemnas 1 crash still exists
7) No random deaths/damage (so far)
8) BBS command styles load instantly(up to 0.25 seconds load)
9) BBS areas load much faster
matra11ramaks Sweet, thanks for all the info and testing! It's sad to know that some of the issues in this video could still persist on PS4 even with data install. Let's hope they see this video even more then. Your post confirms that Final Xemnas & missing sound effects are NOT tied to load times being too long.
Bizkit047 Final Xemnas bug could still be from load times, because while it still fails the RC it isn't as often as "regular" game . Unfortunately i don't have SSD to check if it would still be the case
matra11ramaks Unless I misread, you said it fails to appear 1-3 times during full attack, that's roughly the same as normal, or did you mean something else?
at worst 3 times(i guess i had crap on HDD), usually fails once
Hello, I am from the future. In the PC version, from my experience, the load times are instant for drives and summons, and pretty much instant after death. I haven't tested every crash, but Experiment doesn't crash occasionally for me anymore.
You can dodge Larxene's (AS) Desperation Move by simply popping Valor Form, I shit you not. Pop it right as she starts, and it takes so long that she burns through the whole move before your form loads. Kind of awesome actually. Makes it dodgeable before you get Dodge Roll or a Quick Run with invincibility frames.
Well, that's one benefit. However, the form might just load too quickly and you might die in the middle of the DM.
I've done it several times recently. It's an observation. It works. The form does not load too quickly, and you do not die in the middle of the DM.
bluroguevyse08 If you used that same form earlier in the fight, you'd die instantly cuz it keeps it in memory. Also, that idea only works in English 2.5. In JP 2.5 you'd get hit that way, since forms load slightly faster there. Also, using drive load times on purpose as a way to dodge things is a bad idea due to sometimes the load times for them are variable and can be faster or slower than you expect, which can randomly put you in terrible situations
I don't import, so I had to wait until English came out (I'm American) (also, it was amazing to finally play this game after watching you play it all these years). As far as Larxene AS, it was reliable. In my extensive and recent experience with English 2.5, sometimes the form you used earlier still takes the same amount of time to load in the exact same fight (which surprised the shit out of me the first time it happened). I have no idea what factors determine this. Perhaps using another form and then using the first one again, but it would need to be tested. In this case, I don't remember if it consistently loaded slow or not, but since I had two forms (Valor and Wisdom), I could Valor the first time and then Wisdom the 2nd (first healing Doland if need be ;). So as long as you kill her in 2 DMs or less, it won't matter and you never need to test it at all. Anyway, when Larxene AS appeared in my Lvl1 CM playthrough, I didn't want to wait until Twilight Town to fight her (returning to TT gets you Limit form, which allows sufficient form leveling to gain Invincibility Frame growth abilities, as I'm sure you know), so the only option for dodging her DM at this point in the game was this strategy I came up with. I could still easily dodge it via [Dodge Roll --> Quick Run] on repeat when I fought her Data later (yeah, you can Glide, but it feels kind of cheap and I'm sure I don't need to justify 'restricted Org fights' to you; restricting can be very satisfying and fun). Side note: Pulling off the Genie Final --> Reflega, Vicinity Break, Explosion strat against Larxene is incredibly satisfying. Whoever came up with that is goddamn genius. Saw it in your WR vid and was incredulous. Thanks for posting sick vids, dude.
The load times look like a headache thank god ps4 version gets rid of that shit
The only problem that I found similar in ps3 and ps4 us version is that second xemnas fight reaction being 50/50 but besides that games flawless imo
Good Vid Biz, let's hope they errect these flaws x
It's nice to know that the stutters at the start of AS Larxene and others are normal.
After 6 years KH 1.5 and 2.5 Remix is released on Epic Games for Windows PC and they really delivered.
-Mechanics are much better, drive works basically instantaneously as it should.
-Game runs very well as it has never crashed through my playthroughs. Load times are much quicker, no final Xemnas glitch ever.
-Sound effects are flawless in my experience of approx. 600+ hours played
-Thank the lord there are soft resets without save points required.
Glad I got back into the Kingdom Hearts franchise literally months after it released on Epic Games
Thanks for your comment. I was wondering how many of these coaches are fixed nowadays. I’m glad that you newcomers didn’t have to deal with any of this. Every year goes by and it gets easier and easier to get into Kingdom Hearts. So SE are doing something right.
Not sure if anyone else noted this, but I had an experience where you can create lag pauses by activating a Drive form while enemies load up. During a practice playthrough in CoR in the last Nobody mob fight, i used a drive into Final to finish off a Dragoon to start the next wave, but since both the drive and the enemies were loading at the same time, it created a lag pause. Most likely ENG 2.5 problem, since JP 2.5 lacks the lag pauses.
This could explain why Riku summit fight also lag pauses when loading a Drive, since Rapid Thrusters are being loaded in at the same time.
Why did I watch this? When it comes to glitches in game I never have them happen to me till I hear about them. Did not know about crashes now I bet the next time I play the game I will continuously get them.
P.S. good vid like always
Here before this gets recommended to everyone
I THOUGHT I WAS THE OLNY ONE WHO NOTICED SOUND EFFECTS! Thank YOU! Also when maleficent is next to the cornerstone of light in Disney castle talking to queen mini and the gang there is no evil music. But there was in original KHFM. :(
Man, the Xemnas stuff especially just makes me wonder what idiot playtested this port. How do you not see that the SINGLE Drive Form you're allowed to use during Xemnas 1 doesn't work, along with what's supposed to happen during *the very first attack* of Final Xemnas!
In regards to the sound issue, I wouldn't say it's minor. It can effect gameplay on a personal level. When you hear a specific sound you can read the next move if you don't catch it with your eye.
At least that's how it is for me.
Not really something that needs to be fixed but should be added. Control mapping or the option to use the japanese controls in the english version.
Did they fix it?
On PS4 most are fixed, they never fixed PS3 version
I’m guessing they really did fix all these issues with the PS4 port, yeah my game on 2.5 chugged a couple of times but never crashed, never lagged, everything worked fine, load times were on par with ps2 version.
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The Xigbar gun sounds, they were back to normal on the PS4 version. On the PC version, it sounds like incomplete like in the PS3 version. Why?
PSA:The loading time issues are completely fixed if you play this game on RPCS3
It's tough when you have the exact same team that's working on KH3 have to work on these HD remasters on the side. They really just should have gotten a new team altogether to work on them.
That is a completely dumb idea, especially when they realized how KH1 and 2 are such good games while making these ports, which helped out greatly in KH3's development.
@@Kingdom850 Well, not too much really, sadly.
Srsly! The loading times are RIDICULOUS! No need to hold back on that one!!!
Way to go with such feedback! :)
Thumbs up.
After seeing the video, i realised that the sound effects are missing, thank you for that :)
And I also have to say, it somehow was better on the PS2, because like you said, the loading times are much longer than that, and I notice an input delay on big TVs(On the PS3 Version). I didn´t try that with the PS2, but now I have to say, it´s not as good as I thought.
Thanks Bizkit :D
Wow, good thing I finally looked back at this video after playing 2.5FM for myself. I'll need that pause buffer for Drives.
I have been looking for this video for years!
I'd like to thank you for this informative video years later.
This was the sole reason why I play the original PS2 release of KH2, it runs better and it plays to it's full intended potential. But at least I get to see Xigbar's cool sniper gun in the 2.5 release, but that'd mean playing the whole broken game again.
Wow man, having reached the end of my playthrough of the PS4 port, I'm so glad to not have come across these issues. Loading in particular seems to be in a really good state and I was impressed by that even without knowing it was shitty in PS3. I'm frankly glad I skipped this title for PS3.
Hey Biz this is Darkrai48 from the streams just wanted to say great video and I 100% agree they should fix these problems. Even though I have 100% the Jiminy Journal on english 2.5 I do really get bugged by its problems so I hope Square will fix them so I can truly enjoy my favorite game. Thanks for the video cant wait to see more videos and streams.
I didn't even realize that slow loading time caused the final Xemnas fight throw to be broken as hell. I kept getting killed by that and I had no idea why because I was using the reaction commands properly. That's insane.
It's not confirmed that load times were the cause of the Xemnas Fight being glitched, but it's a valid theory since everything else in the game loads slower then before.
On the load time thing for drive forms it actually saved me and gave me my first win against lingering will
The PS2 was a bit of an oddball architecture, particularly in the way data had to be fetched. In many cases, optimizations were so fine tuned that physical position of the data on the disc were crucial.
Translating such optimizations to the PS3 is undoubtedly a formidable task, though that does not in any way excuse the new, sometimes very blatant game-breaking bugs that have been introduced.
So it wasnt just me then...i always thought the lag pauses were something unique to my game or that my PS3 was being dumb because I had never seen or heard anyone else talk about them in 2.5 HD
well I guess im not entirely wrong in the sense that it is unique to my game, it just happens to be unique to all the overseas versions apparently...at least I know im not crazy then whenever i see it consistently
good to know, thanks for the informative video
I am so glad that I'm not the only one who noticed the Xemnas RC fails.
Bizkit im not sure what your stance is on giving opinions on games that are yet to come out but squareenix E3 played a few hours ago and there was a decent amount of gameplay for KH3 in it. Obviously you can't give the final judgement now but from what there is (you can already find the E3 gameplay on youtube if you missed it) what do you think of the game so far? And are you going to be trying to come up with strats along with other guys with the intent to speed run it later like the first 2 games.
Also what would you like to see in KH3 even just as a personal preference not necessarily as a speedrunner and what do you think would definitely be a bad decision to add in the new game?
Wondered about the Xemnas issue thought it was me being shit on critical lmao. Had a couple lags here and there yeah the load times are atrocious. Great vid biz
unrelated kinda, but i hate how in re:com on ps4, there's this weird lag after fights where sora just. stands there for a good 5 seconds before the game realizes that the fight's over. ooooof. square, please. it's not every fight either just totally random?
They should add an option that allows you to restart a boss battle over again after you lose, instead of reloading the last checkpoint, which in 2.5 is atrocious, making you run back to the where the boss is, trigger another load screen, skip the cutscene, trigger ANOTHER load screen... Only to have you fail in five seconds flat. The amount of time it takes to begin the boss battle was longer than that of my attempts to beat terra. Ugh. BBS has this option too..
Wow. As someone who didn't own a PS3 but was anticipating a KH2.5 PS4 port, I'll have to keep this video in mind before purchasing it and see if they fix this crap. Hard to say if they will or not, because while they just patched Type-0, FFX HD for the PS4 still suffers from RNG issues and a music glitch that didn't even exist in the PS3 version. We should definitely find a way to express these concerns.
PlainOlJoe I agree, if we're vocal about it, it seems they may listen, which is what I hope this video accomplishes. When you port something and make it worse than previous versions...that's poor porting.
I don't know if it's worth mentioning, but I've gotten weird camera angles when dying and during Final Xemnas' laser dome move every now and again.
In addition to all the things you've pointed out, I've actually died a number of times to Data Roxas on level 1 because his dash attack would just ignore my block. I'm not sure if that was intended to be possible by the developers considering you're usually able to block that move. In case you're wondering what I mean, there is a video on my channel showing what happened
Ben This is actually an issue in original 2FM as well. It's distance based where he can get through Guard (probably somehow start the hitbox behind you). A solution to this is to just Dodge Roll or Quick Run the attack instead or simply get far from him, it has a distance cap
Bizkit047 Okay, thanks for the help!
well there you go,we have our ps4 announcement.Lets hope they will fix averything.
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WAIT WHAT !? Ohhh yes ! I hope square enix makes a 3rd remake of KH2.
And in my opinion of 2.5 theres nothing much wrong with it besides one thing. They shouldn't replaced roxas' voice from his original tovm ventus'. Sure roxas is the nobody of sora and has the appearance of ventus since ventus is apart of sora's heart but you cant ruin a classic in KH2.
Also, i have no idea why square enix removed some of the best sound effects such as the absent soulliette battle cries and quotes in the 2.5 remix. In the original KH2 the story bosses (the orgisation members) all died with quotes at the.
Saix: "if i had a heart"
Xigbar: "I lost ? Me ?!"
Xemnas: "Curses ... keyblade"
Luxord: "You played the game quiet well"
Whereas, all the absent souliette boss dont have battle quotes during the battle of once defeated.
Other than sound effects. Drive loads times and the xemnas glitch wasnt a problem since ive watched ***** data org battle guide and it helps a lot.
***** not during cutscenes. I mean when you go through the beginning of the game he uses ventus' voice not his original voice.
Yeah thats the one im reffering to for roxas, the 2.5 remix doesnt have the orginal voice of roxas, they replaced it with ventus'. As for the absent silhouette the orginal japnese version the voices and battle quotes were removed aswell.
***** ohh i completely forgot about 358/2 days but yeah i guess that makes sense. Overally my opinion is that roxas' old battle cries were a lot more i would say more like roxas and better. But in terms of kingdom hearts logic: yeah roxas has the appearance of ventus since ventus a piece of soras heart but roxas is his own person; he deserves his old battle cry back, dont know why square changed it :/
Lol I like how you had to point out the load time at the end xD.
This video covered the 2.5 problems well, but let's also hope that, if SE ever winds up making plans for a PS4 set in the future(even if they currently aren't at this time as Nomura stated not long ago), that 1.5's issues are also rectified. It doesn't have as many that were prevalent in 2.5, and they occur much more rarely, but many people have experienced either freezing during certain segments(usually right before the ending FMV), or this atrocious sound bug where your speakers make a ton of those grating, booming noise.
At first, people had assumed it was just a faulty batch of discs. However, that was proven wrong when people noted these same errors occurred in original Japanese copies during some streams, as well as the fact many international copies shared the same problem across multiple regions. Even if these problems are relatively minor compared to the more common ones of 2.5 due to how rare they occur(with a good deal of fanboys dismissing the fact just because it never happened to them), it's still a thing that must be fixed if they're ever to do another re-release.
Im really glad other people are running into problems and its not just me im literally stuck and can't continue in the game because it freezes during a cutscene every time so I doubt i will even be able to finish the game which is sad because this game was on of my favorites when i was younger.
While not a problem with KH2.5 Japanese (as far as I'm aware), KH1.5 Japanese has a lipsyncing problem with some of the cutscenes where the lips move according to the English dialogue as opposed to the Japanese dialogue. Sometimes it only affects small portions of scenes such as the scene at Destiny Islands between Sora, Riku, and Kairi where only Riku is affected by the lip sync switch; other times it affects whole scenes such as both Hollow Bation scenes before the Riku fights.
Not sure if you noticed that but I felt that I should point it out.
Pixel Grip I can't remember but I think the first Kingdom hearts actually came out for America first and was ported to japan.
bubbajoe117 +bubbajoe117 Considering that KH is half owned by Disney, that wouldn't surprise me. However, I also agree with Bizkit and don't think Square Enix game tested the HD versions. It would explain a lot of the problems with the games.
Pixel Grip I don't really see lipsyncing as ever being a problem :P only time they got lazy with it was with Re:Chain of memories.
bubbajoe117 You'd have to play 1.5 in Japanese. The English version didn't have the lipsyncing problem for some reason.
Pixel Grip I don't really ever intend on playing Kingdom hearts in Japanese, i've been listening to their English versions since the beginning and it would feel weird otherwise, besides I like their English actors, they've always been good with their actor selection.
I got 1.5 and 2.5 about a month ago and am loving them I didn't even realize about these issues as i never played the ps2 originals except for the drive load times witch luckily my friend told me about the pause technique before I started playing I hope square does a good job with 2.8 witch they should because only one of the games is a port
I did the same exact thing with the first Xemnas fight on my PS3 and not once did it ever crash on me.
Hey bizkitz great video, other thing that i realize is that at least in english version there are some frame drops in some sections like in the last page of pooh world there is a huge frame drop.
Seems like they didn't fix the sound effects in the PS4 version. I was wondering why there was some missing quotes and why things didn't play like they did before.
However, they did fix the load times; they work very excellent, even faster than the PS2 version(of course), and the glitches are gone, but there are some minimal ones.
The only issue I have is that when I'm in the middle of the game, the screen beeps and then it says loading trophy data or something like that, and then it takes me right back to select a game.
So far i haven't had any issue on the ps3, only thing being prevalent is the hour long load times (i blame the spinning heart)
That could be due to my more casual nature, as in not going for the better strats thus causing more load times; and my eye not catching some of the glitches.
Its a shame that they seem to not care about fixing the broken issues; and props to the communities that are able to deliver where the companies will not. (referring to the English patch, and methods on how to play final mix on US ps2/emulator)
Thanks for the Drive form pause buffer trick. From what I know on the PS2 the data on the DVDs was actually organized so that it would reduce loading times, and the drive itself was functioning differently then a PS3 drive. A Data Install would be great, at least partial (character and weapon models, animations etc.) but we won't get it on a PS3. PS4 requires games to be installed to the hard drive though.
I know this is seriously old but you should address what they fixed/what was fixed by load times, and what they didnt fix in the PS4 collection. That would be interesting
There was another Final Xemnas glitch in the Story So Far. I don't know what actually triggers it but what it does is it makes Xemnas invisible for a bit making the battle longer. For my trigger of the glitch, he did the juggling attack to spam reversals but I spammed triangle too early (I think?) and it caused the Riku Session attack, and once I was finished with it. All I saw was just orbs being thrown at me when nothing was there. It kind of fixed itself when he did another attack but still Squares really not looking at the game carefully to still have a glitch in the game.
When pause buffering, it's usually safe to wait for the E in pause to flip. That's a good time to unpause.
Yeah, that's exactly what I do.
Estimating the time, it takes two seconds longer to use a Drive Form. As it turns out, when the 'E' in 'pause' flips, two seconds have just passed, assuming you count from zero like a stopwatch.
i know bbs was not that good but it has one thing i would like to see in the 1.5 2.5 for ps4 a retry option after dying in a boss fight, it would be useful in kh 1 and 2
totally agree. KHIIFM is the best game for a level 1 run and other challenges IMO, but when you have to go accross an area and skip 1-3 cutscenes just to restart a boss battle (eg. Demyx, Lingering Will) it kills your morale. Add the increased load times and you spend more time out of battle than in it, which takes a lot of the fun out of it.
The only thing I really noticed was the drive form load, but after this I realized that there's so much more wrong. I though I was just bad at Xemnas which is why I kept dying haha. Hopefully these things are fixed if they decide to make a PS4 port!
I didn't realize I was the only one with problems in the xemnas final fight, glad to know it wasn't just me not tapping fast enough
Hmm, interesting video. I can definitely agree with the long loads on the drive forms but I actually have never run into any lag/load times on battles like you showed. Never had any freezes either, and as far as I can tell the sound effects seemed fine (though it might be hard to catch that). Regardless, that issue with Xemnas (especially when fighting data version) makes it very frustrating...
I found an issue with Timeless River's sounds that it would make a nasty Audio sound if Sora did a move or did something to make a lot of noise, similar to headphones that can't handle certain sounds.
DantesDeception I loud beep, right? I think I know what you're talking about.
Yep. Pretty much.
DantesDeception It's supposed to mimicking old time microphones when they couldn't handle that much, it's annoying, but intentional.
i have experienced a glitch in timeless river the battle and field theme are playing at the same time has anybody else experienced this?
I had that in TWTNW
Its funny for how in the TFS livestream of KH1 in 1.5 where they found a glitch that broke the game, they laughed at the fans of KH1 proclaiming "WHERE IS YOUR GAME NOW?!!?!?" Whereas thanks to you, now I learned that KH2 in 2.5 has a LOT more problems than KH1 did in the PS3 ports. Funny how things work like that...they took more time to clean up KH1 for the port but didn't bother that much with KH2, the most popular of the titles. Somebody didn't think that through apparently.
wait, they did? which episode what that so i can look forward to it?
I thought I was the only one who ran into that crash at Xemnas 1, but geez this game isn't really optimized for PS3. If only Square allowed for a data install option, I would be a lot happier hearing all of the sound effects correctly played and faster load times
the final xemnas fight (both story and data) are busted af. his reaction command where he throws sora up and slashes around never works, so you take chip damage. I have had him loop me in it 3 times and kill me in critical mode
My KH2FM keeps crashing and takes me back to the game select screen. It happens when I try to fight Terra or when I load a save file or go to a different room BBS works fine.
+TheVenXIII The same thing happens to me when farming for drive orbs in the cavern of rememberence during screen transitions, and only there. Oddly enough, this only happened in my critical run and not on standard difficulty.
It occasionally did this during my 2FM playthrough, but it got insanely bad by TWNTW. Tried to leave the place...crash. Tried to fight Lexaeus...crash. BEAT Lexaeus after a long fight...CRASH. After beating the game and eventually wanting to do Data Org, it just crashed to the select screen every time now.
I've had problems with crashes but for me their extremely rare. Some of the boss fights not saying things when their suppose to, never had that problem either. A problem I did have is going into drive forms and getting attacked after activating drives, but it wasn't bad not like the one you showed in the video. Basically the enemy would get thrown into the air and I'd have time to attack back. It's rare but that drive punish has happened to me, it's not very often that I would be attacked by that. I have experience the Xemnas's throw attack and the reaction commad failing on me but majority of the time it doesn't happen to me. It would be pretty nice to have a soft reset too.
Dude gave me an idea how to beat Xemnas Data battle on Critical now. I didn't even think about the Reflect spam when he throws you up for massive damage.
Doing that strat on PS3/PS4 just gets you killed. The Reflects won't help if the RC drops to avoid getting hit
Maybe it's not a reliable strat, but it helped me with the data battle tho.
Hey, Just gotta say (Not at all being a fanboy here!) that I've never experienced any of the bugs you mentioned, aside from the Drive forms thing. Either I'm blessed by some video game god or I'm just lucky.
Archmage Flapjack Stuff like sound effects you DID experience, you just didn't notice it likely. They are consistent. Stuff like Final Xemnas you would notice if you played the game on Critical Mode. If you play the game on Beginner or Standard, it's pretty easy to not care about getting hit during his throw move with RC fails (especially if you only did the fight once). The RC drops in that fight are incredibly consistent to at least 1 RC drop per throw move, very rarely can you get past an entire throw move without an RC drop.
Bizkit047 Wow, I Never realised it then? Damn... Thanks for your help though! :B
This along with removing the Port Isle/Axel's Death censorship.
I forgot about a lot of the voice clips because those battles are easier than the original
I remember when I was in that fight where you fight nobodies with Squal in the beginning of the game ( first time you visit Hollow Bastion) and suddenly Sora got into a T-stance. I remember this happening to me in kh2fm but that was only when I use codes to play as other characters or change the move sets.but I wasn't doing that in KH2.5 . also my game wasn't pirated or anything like that.
its really weird that it happened
(this is just speculation)
these issues (even if using cfw hdd loading) proably show up due to the ps3's ram limitations. (which could be a reason why square wont attempt to fix those issues)
it could also be a mix of how the ps3's cell proccessor/spu/rsx combo works. (which could lead to slowdowns etc..) i believe that a ps4 port would actually make things a lot better.
That's still not an excuse because the PS3 has far more RAM memory than the PS2, and that's not counting the PS3's VRAM memory.
The only real cause of the load times is that it's a straight port that will behave as if it was for the PS2, which gives the game technological boundaries such as limited CPU and GPU, and tie it with the fact it's on a Blu-Ray disc, and Blu-Ray players load slower than DVD players.
Though I've never encountered the Xemnas 1st fight crash, or really paid much attention to the sound effect issue, I have noticed the loading times issue (as that was pretty obvious) and the Final Xemans reaction command issue (which got me killed in my Critical Mode run-through).
I wouldn't mind them fixing it for a PS4 port, but I would honestly prefer them just patch it for PS3.
I just bought this game and I have noticed that for some odd reason I don't have voice acting in the engine rendered cutscenes at all. It really doesn't make the game unplayable but it annoys the crap out of me.
What they have to also get right for 2.5 for PS4, is the lip syncing for Re:Coded. And for 1.5 Re:Chain of Memories and 358/2 Days
Randomly decided to boot up my PS3 for old times sake after this popped in my recommended, and yeah, it's really this bad lol Glad these issues would be fixed on the PS4 port. Plus bonus points for Square not being lazy and fixing the initial PS4 port too. Remember seeing vids on that, yikes 😬
Wonder of Square is also gonna make a PS5 update too? I hope they do, although I can't really see a huge need tbh.
Anyways, kinda nostalgic as the PS3 version of KH2 were some of my favorites gaming memories. KH2fm's lvl1 runs are what got me into challenge runs and always playing games on the hardest difficulty. Playing 2FM lvl1 from beginning to end on my PS3 for the last time while waiting for my PS4 to ship so I play KH3 is kinda bittersweet ngl
Thank you for not being a stupid fanboy, people like you are literally the only thing keeping the good old Videogame industry alive.
***** You forgot about the Vexen's data battle bug, how the ice (whatever they're called) disappears and randomly dying from (possibly) those.
The only problems I experienced during my Proud Mode run were long load times between cutscenes and after initiating Drive Forms. The game never crashed and I don't remember there ever being a period of lag before a boss fight that you pointed out near the end of your load time rant. The only other problem I experienced was dieing to Final Xemnas as you pointed out near the end of the video. One other consequence of the fight glitching out is that I am heavily discouraged from attempting the Xemnas Data Org fight. The reason being is that you have to fight both forms, and if you die to the Final Form, I hear that you have to start at the beginning of the first Xemnas fight, not back at this Final Form. I don't want to finish Xemnas' first form, just to die almost immediately at the Final Form fight to due to a glitch. If I persevered I'm sure I could succeed, but dieing due to a glitch, especially the Data Org fight which can be long and challenging, is completely unacceptable.
Last thing, there are several points in the video where you display glitches and the footage stops or stutters. I thought the video was skipping multiple times. If there is a way to notify viewers that the video isn't messing up, like with an annotation or something, that would be great.
i have a hunch they took out a lot of the voice clips to prevent some bosses from getting annoying to some players who struggle to win. like Silver from Sonic 06 saying "its no use!" every time you jump, or Lorithia in Xenoblade Chronicles with "you will pay for your insolence!" every time you hit her.
it could also just be a bad port that doesnt load the voice clips, but i wanna believe they put some effort into the port somewhere. it crashed on me during the Hades Paradox cup (loading screen to round 42), im not a fan of the port for anything more than the FM content in a language i understand.
+justdontask3 That's not the case with the voice clips, since it wouldn't explain Jafar's opening line cut, or Armor Xemnas 2's.
+justdontask3 GET ON THE HYDAS BACK
The Xemnas RC crash is caused because you're inflicted with the Nil attack before reverting to your normal state
The game treats the Nill thing as a state transformation of its own, as it modifies Sora's appearance. Doing the RC to get rid of it tells the game to put him back in his normal state. However, reverting from Limit form while in the Nil attack tells the game that he has already reverted, so it gets confused when you tell it to revert again
It's due to the differing system in which the whole Form thing was used on the PS3. The PS2 used a simplified hexadecimal system (same type of system used for flinch count) while I'm not sure what PS3 uses or why it was changed
zingodoom I noticed in the footage that the Curse as I always called it vanished as he reverted, only to appear just to be smashed for the RC so that is logical
zingodoom That all sounds plausible and all, but can't be true because the crash doesn't exist in 2.5 JP, something was changed (likely something with English text loading, that's all that should be changed between vers) that causes the crash on English (and apparently PAL too)
Interesting.... well given that they were too lazy to redo the text and instead just programmed it OVER the Japanese text, it's possible that it's because "Revert" and "Facedown" are different. Those are the biggest leads I've got in that case....
zingodoom My guess was honestly something about loading Limit text in English. The Limit Form translations are new in English, so something must be going wrong with that. When I did the Randomizer 2FM playthrough, the Xemnas 1 fight had to have the building RC attached to a Shortcut to make the fight winnable...and since Limit Form Limits use Shortcut too...
zingodoom I cannot speak for 2.5 alone, but doing hacked fights in the original KH2FM shows that you can actually use Facedown on Xemnas without being cursed, and it doesn't crash or lag in the slightest. Unless they altered the Reaction Command itself, there is no way 2.5 could suddenly have trouble dispelling Xemnas's curse, even if the hypothesis of it being considered no longer there is true.
I hope that if they also do make a ps4 port, have it to be able to pick original or remastered soundtracks
Thanks for opening my eyes! Awesome to see that there is always at least 1 channel for your weird nieches, like tryharding KH! :))
To biz, you've done a lot of guides and videos on 2 fm but do you think you'll ever make guides for 1 fm?