Moving Mud - Episode 18 The Air War In Vietnam Gets Rolling
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- Опубликовано: 12 янв 2024
- Episode 18 of the Moving Mud Podcast. A documentary about the history of tactical airpower before the age of Precision Guided Munitions.
We discuss the beginnings of the air war in Vietnam.
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Thanks for mentioning Laos. Dad was based at Da Nang the first tour in SEA with the Gunfighters and flew mostly trail interdiction , much of it at night, in the F-4C and D. Hunting trucks was what he called it. The family didn’t realize at the time how dangerous a mission that was.
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This is gonna be a good couple episodes. Thanks for continuing to do this series
Thanks for being patient
Great stuff, thanks again!
Glad you liked it.
Really appreciate this series. You have a very thoughtful and nuanced approach to things that goes beyond just accepting the common narrative at face value without being revisionist just for the sake of being revisionist. Looking forward to more episodes!
Thanks, I really appreciate that comment.
A very interesting synopsis with some nuance I had never considered before. I learned something. Thank you.
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This series has been great and here are some suggestions for extending it up to today = After Vietnam: how design and doctrine changed within the Cold War, without losing the focus on the greater Cold War context (more CAS, less nuclear, although retaining the nuclear option), the limited conflicts of the USA in the 70's and 80's and the emphasis on precision strikes, the road to the Gulf War, the After Gulf War (limited conflicts, Op Southern and Northern Watch), Balkans: how the new doctrine went out of the window, the Global War on Terror and how doctrine and design changed again (e.g. B-52's original nuclear bombers now doing CAS). Also, an study on how other nations used U.S. or European made equipment designed to fight a nuclear war were used in regional conflicts (Iran-Iraq war, Israeli wars).
Outstanding! Thanks for the detailed suggestions.
Thank you Iain.
Very welcome
Thanks so much for this series! I'm a history teacher, and the whole Vietnam "stabbed in the back theory" / Rambo version of history has bugged me since I first started researching my lessons on the war. The inability for operators at the tactical level to follow or understand the strategic intentions, and the inability or disinterest of strategic commanders to effectively communicate the strategic intentions and how they should change tactics from World War II or the Banana Wars is a service-level problem that I'm not sure has been effectively corrected even today, from what I've read and heard from US veterans of the GWOT. Although it seems that in the last 22 years, the problem wasn't matching tactics to strategic intentions, but a lack of effective discipline for actions contrary to ordered tactics and strategic intentions.
Good points. There are a couple of books by James Young exploring the whole development of SEAD doctrine over the past 40 years that were really what started me thinking about this. If you have not read them already I would heartily recommend them. I think they are listed in the description.
@@Sidekick65 Thank you so much for the recommendation!
How far forward is this series gonna go? It’d be interesting if it gets into some speculation about iron bombing in the near future.
It will go for as long as I can keep finding interesting things to say! More suggestions = GOOD.
@@Sidekick65 It's been a great series so far. I believe you extended this series well beyond you first envisioned it, but it is good. As you mentioned, it is very difficult to talk abou air war without talking about the doctrine and overall context.