Something else I noticed about this scene that I haven't seen anyone else talking about: one of the last bits of advice Peter gives Miles is to never let anyone see his face. It's one of the most important rules about being Spider-Man. What's the first thing Kingpin does when he's got Spidey pinned down? He unmasks him.
Ooo nice catch! Yeah, that's like the most fundamental aspect of Spiderman. So if Fisk was able to do it an experienced Spiderman, it really shows how much of a threat he is!
meanwhile MCU Peter Parker has his mask off as spiderman for like 75% of any movie because the writers want to reassure us that the actor is still there, Spider-verse actually respects the risk of taking off the mask
Oh, wow that is a fun fact, did not know that! So I guess Green Goblin being the one to stick peter into the Collider and inadvertently kill him was maybe an ode to it? :P
@@Machuw more than likely, however, Peter is still alive in 1610. The spider that bit him essentially gave him immortality which I was very disappointed as a comic book fan.
@@Currentmisgivings haha what immortality? That's kinda dumb and would take away a lot of dramatic impact. Hopefully spiderverse 2 doesn't adapt that and bring that Peter back or something
@@Machuw well the writers of the movie did make a really terrible (imo) spiderman storyline amazing. So I would like to say I'm pretty confident they won't do that. 1610 ended with spiderman riding into the sunset with mj and him back as spiderman cuz miles went to 616.
In another version of Spider-Man that has Miles Morales, Ultimate Spider-Man the cartoon, Peter Parker Spider-Man is also killed by the Green Goblin there, basically traumatizing Miles in the same way movie Miles got.
@@Machuw like the "what's up danger" scene. Where not only does it look amazing, but also shows that when Miles does his leap of faith, he's still not confident enough in his abilities.
nah man, if you're seeing this, atsv has just topped it off, at least for me, it was a masterpiece, never in my life was i assured that i've watched the best movie i've ever seen
I love that the first thing kingpin does when he finds Peter trapped is rip his mask off. for the audience it breaks one of the rules we've come to expect and Peter calls it out. it immediately puts the audience on the back foot and shows that fisk isnt some villain of the week, he's a dude who is absolutely not playing around
I love how you just casually slip RUclips into the list of villains, it was so well done I almost didn't notice it, and had to rewind a few seconds to be sure of what you actually said. Well played, sir. Well played.
Kingpin has been done very well in all three of the latest big-screen (or Netflix) incarnations. Yes, even the disastrous Daredevil movie where Michael Clark Duncan as Kingpin. He was, by FAR, the best part of that movie. To a degree where I think it's acceptable to talk about MCD as Kingpin in the same discussion as Raul Julia as M Bison from Street Fighter. (Raul Julia as M Bison is clearly superior, but MCD makes Daredevil bearable and even, dare I say it, enjoyable.) He ruled the Underworld with an steel hand, but he wasn't outright "Evil" - the world needed strong leaders willing to do hard things, and he was that strong leader willing to do hard things. And fell into Darkness because of it. The Netflix Kingpin was a different take on the Kingpin - more of an Abused Child who is trying to make the World a Better Place but Doesn't Understand The Damage He's Doing, then Ends Up Embracing his Darkness - but the performance was absolutely riveting, and in the end I came to admire the risks the writers took with him. And this Kingpin was likewise riveting - willing to destroy an infinite number of worlds to bring his family back to him. It wasn't Power or Wealth he wanted... he just wanted his family back. These writers understand the Kingpin. They may not understand many other Marvel villains, but they get Kingpin.
Ohh wow, I don't really see any appreciation for the Kingpin in the Ben Affleck Daredevil, so this was a very interesting read :) It really is interesting seeing all the different takes on the character, but at the end of the day, they all share a commonality of just being ruthlessly evil with a complicated past.
Not to mention as far as superpowers go their only "thing" is being super strong which they don't even use most of the time, relying instead on it playing into their indication factor, with their main power being ruthless cunning and often a master of the Xanatos gambit wherein they plan stuff out that no matter what happens they win on some level and more often than not get away with it with the heroes unable to do anything. Heck in the comics DD literally helps Kingpin get back in charge after realizing without his presence as an apex criminal predator the crime scene became even worse.
One line from MCD's Kingpin that stuck with me was, "Nobody's innocent. Nobody." That moment solidified that he believes he can justify killing someone because deep down they're not innocent. They're innocence is a deception. At least that's my take on it.
@@benjaminbierley2074 which builds a solid character, His incredible physical strength always ends up a background thing. enough to the point you forget 'oh yeah, this guy can snap a man's spine with a single hand.' Instead it focuses on his cunning and planning. And in the end, he becomes a necessary evil. He does evil things, rules the criminal underworld with an iron fist, but that same iron fist makes sure said criminal underworld doesn't overwhelm the normal lives of people. When he gets knocked out of his spot, things get worse. Becomes he organized it, and his presence being removes, disorganizes.
He and Doc Ock were absolutely killing it in this movie; Spiderman's rogue's gallery is the closest marvel has to Batman's and its always fun to see the different interpretations of them, and in this case do them really fucking well
I remember watching this movie for the first time and thinking "Did I just watch Spider-Man die in front of my own eye?" It was so difficult to process because the movie starts off as described: another day in the life of Spider-Man. He's done this before, we know he can handle this... until the reactor goes off and Kingpin just crushes him, like nothing. Really reminds you that, although Spidey is incredibly powerful, he *can* be overwhelmed, and killed if the opportunity shows itself. Oh damn :/
Yeah, ikr?! It was so well done introducing the movie off with him talking about how much experience he has; it really makes his death that much more shocking o.O
@@Machuw It honestly does! Great video, by the way! I loved your anaylsis and pick. As well received as Spider-Verse is, I feel that this movie is still fairly underrated by some people. :)
@@ryebread117_ Thank you! And yeah, it is still a little underrated, and the cool thing is that even if you love it, there are still some cool details to pick up every now and then :)
An additional detail I REALLY wish you mentioned: When he's introduced, Kingpin is so huge he basically acts as a framing device. He always takes up the majority of screen space in every shot that includes him, pushing every other character to the side. This continues for the entire movie, right up until the scene at the end where he's in the train begging his family to come back. In that single scene his bulk is hidden from us, instead all we see is his face framed by a window. Then the camera zooms out, and suddenly he seems so... _small._
Oh wow, what a great detail! Glad you pointed out that framing shot at the end where the camera zoomed out, making him feel small. I swear, every time I rewatch this movie, I discover new details. Nice catch!
Scrolled down the playlist until I spotted this among the thanoses and jokers. Finally, MY favourite superhero movie! Watched and subbed, good luck with your channel 💖 This movie just was full of iconic villains (doc ock, prowler) and yet this Kingpin dominated them all ... his character design I feel was stylized that way to show how he was larger than life, a massive looming shadow on Miles ' psyche. It reflected how this scene struck Miles at the time, as you pointed out, the pov of the scene being Miles let it focus on the fear and chaos instead of the fun quips from Spidey's POV.
Like you, I wasn’t expecting Spiderverse to be so good and Kingpin’s character in this movie is amazing and he’s one of my favorite villains just due to his intimidating prescience and killing Spider-Man like that does really set in how scary he is. (Also, my little brother and my father were watching it with me and when Spider-Man died they were in shock which brought a smile to my face since these scenes always are really cool to see since you rarely do)
I more or less went into Spiderverse knowing that Spidy was gonna die. As that's literally the event that resulted in Miles becoming the new Spiderman in his origin story. Peter was his uncle ben moment in the original.
Ok this vid is straight up my favorite in the entire playlist Even if the "production quality" isn't the best of them all It just hits the point of One Villainous Scene SO much better (tho the others aren't bad just a not as good) Love this vid def worth a sub
Oh wow, what an honor! Thanks, I'm glad you really liked it :D and yeah I'm still working on improving my production quality/editing to be better with each video. Thanks for watching!
Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse surprisingly became my favorite movie ever, and possibly one of the greatest movies of all time. Watching this video showed me parts of Kingpin’s character I didn’t notice at first, and has pretty much reinforced my belief that this is one of the greatest movies ever.
It's a movie that continously ages better and better for me somehow. I had no expectations for it going into it and it blew me away completely. Agreed taht it's one of the greatest movies ever made :)
the "nobody dies in a kids movie" is a stupid idea that just HAS to die! Children have to experience the full spectrum of emotion to grow up okay and have some morals
what blows my mind with this film is that the more you look, the more depth you find. Why is Fisk wearing a black suit, where most classic depictions of the Kingpin have him wearing white? *He's in mourning.* Why does the Kingpin hedge his bets on a weird science machine, given that all incarnations of this character have been mobsters first and foremost, with supervillain stuff secondary to his making money? Because of the one exception: the one thing that matters to *every* version of Fisk, across the cartoon series, the Daredevil series and the comics, is his family. Richard and Vanessa are always his *one* emotional weakness. It's what undoes him in the cartoon series, what drives him to crazier and crazier schemes in the comics and Vanessa is the reason for his reckless actions in Daredevil. From the moment I saw him in the introductory scene, and saw that Spiderverse's Kingpin was doing some unsafe, unprofitable weird science supervillain stuff, *I knew* that *something* must have happened with Richard & Vanessa, because there's nothing else in the multiverse that would make Wilson fucking Fisk make an unsafe investment like that. Not only is Spiderverse a great movie on its own, but it's so masterfully written that its characters are perfectly consistent with all other iterations of themselves. Think about the Prowler episode in the spider-man cartoon from the 90s. There, as in Spiderverse, Aaron makes a deal with Kingpin for a suit and powers, and becomes trapped in a cycle of violence. There, as in Spiderverse, the one thing that gets him out of it is his love for his family. Characters remain the same even across iterations of the multiverse. I could go on and on, because this movie is incredible.
Wow o.O Very well said! I didn't pick up on the reason for Kingpin wearing black, and I think that's a really cool detail now haha. I find the writing to be really spectacular in its own right, and the fact that it coincides with all the other iterations is just... Ugh *chef's kiss*. Anyway, really cool analysis, thanks for showing me some stuff that I didn't pick up on :P
This analysis was amazing! I do find that this movie had some very good villains that were complex. Both the prowler and Kingpin had their own characters and you could *almost* sympathise with them. That’s when you know a movie hits home, when you actually feel emotion towards the villain or their actions.
The best villains are the one's with a lot of emotion and complexity to them tbh. Kingpin isn't even in the movie allll that much, which I think is a bigger testament to him as the writers were able to do a lot with very little in terms of characterization :)
there's alot that can be talked about when it comes to the storytelling of this movie. For example, The framerate changing from 12fps to 24? It's something unnerving to see at the begining, somethings not right and you can't really put your finger on it. Much like what miles is experiencing at the start of the movie. He's unsure of himself and the world around him, he doesn't fit in, and most importantly he's not living up to his potential. After he gets his powers though and goes through his hero's journey he slowly start's to become more fluid, he fits into his world better, he understands it better the world itself isn't so jarring. The first time i watched this movie that's all i could think about. The subtle storytelling that experimenting with framerate could pull off and how well that endeared the character to me. Into the spiderverse deserves to be recognized for it's genius and nonconvention style of story telling. It by itself is a masterclass in cinematography and storytelling through art.
Wowww I don't think I've seen an analysis of how the framerate directly contrasts to the narrative before o.O. That's a really cool detail; the movie really is a masterpiece imo, there's just an endless amount of details that I continue to pick up when I watch it more. Not to mention that the movie is just relentlessly entertaining as well. Nice analysis !!
You know, for someone who's known for playing Logan's brother Victor in X-Men Origins: Wolverine, I don't think Liev Schreiber got enough credit for this role here.
Video essay...? At seven minutes? I've been spoiled by the longman. Also, you somehow didn't mention the raw emotion displayed in Kingpin's face the instant after Spidey says it won't work. That alone, I feel, says more than you did in seven minutes, and more than I could in the same time. Like... it's just so good, the brief flash of reflection, the questions he's asking himself, the reassurance to himself that he is only doing what he must, the rage that then bolsters it and then finally his reason flying out of the window as he prepares to swing. All of that in a few seconds, so immaculately captured.
Yeah, I mean video essays don't have to be long haha. This video took me literally a day to make, I admire people who make like 40 minute video essays cause that definitely take a lot of patience. As far as ur little analysis, I reallyyy liked what you had to say. The short visual expression where he briefly considered what Peter was saying, which then quickly faded was very well done :)
Great breakdown of this scene. I had the same feeling going into this movie, that it was going to be for kids, but they really did a great job with this. Marvel has had some hits and some misses. Into the Spiderverse was definitely one of the former.
@@Mirrorcomics24 Ah okay, makes sense. Well hopefully you get around to watching Daredevil soon bc it's probably the best comic-book piece of media out there imo
Why did no one expect spiderverse to be so great? I knew it was going to be good from the beginning. I didn’t think michell vs machines wasn’t going to be good and was going to be for kids.
@@MachuwThat is fair. I do agree that michell vs machines was a breath of fresh air. I just reread my comment and it sounds a lot angrier then I meant to convey. I just wanted express my opinion. 😅
To be fair, Sony has a pretty mixed track record with movies. Everything they make is either really really good, or unbearably awful. Keep in mind this is the same Studio that made the Emoji Movie.
@@Machuw Fun fact Into The Spider-Verse actually got nominated for a Razzie... that being the Razzie Redeemer Award which is given to films/people that showed a comeback after a Razzie win, it lost to Melissa McCarthy for Can You Ever Forgive Me, but this came when I brought up how Sony Animation went from The Emoji Movie to Into The Spider-Verse.
@@Machuw Weird random fact that award made it so that Will Smith won a Razzie and an Oscar for the same performance, and said performance really slapped. Also, the most recent Razzie Redeemer Award was given to Colin Farrell (who paled Bullseye in the 2003 Daredevil movie) and it was for him going from winning a Razzie for Alexander (the film that taught us all that Alexander the Great actually had an Irish accent) to getting nominated for an Oscar for the Banshees of Inisherin. BTW I wrote this entire reply because I wanted to joke about Colin Farrell's Irish accent in Alexander. After all, it's hard for me to resist joking about that.
@@7Adamus I used to! But now I have a bunch of other wonderful artists that make them :) All I do is just add slight variations like the sleeping or the confused art xP
The scene gets worse(better?) when you consider the sequel introduces the concept of “canon,” events that keep repeating across every universe. As a result of this one action, that is Kingpin being seen beating up Miles in the collider by every version of his family across the multiverse, he’s inadvertently driving all of them to the same end, at the same time. He created his own canon event. It makes his actions that much worse.
Justice League Dark: Apokolips War wasn't really a subversion, it's only a subversion if you watched it in a vacuum and didn't consider the previous films in the series. The DCAU starting with Flashpoint Paradox was a series of films that told a narrative across many films. Some of the films were more "standalone" than others, but to watch Apokolips War without the context of previous films would make it seem very "subversive" indeed. "The Death of Superman" setup Doomsday and "Reign of the Supermen" gave us clues as to what Darkseid was up to, all of the people who were subverted by the Doomsday Parademons probably weren't aware of the previous films/didn't watch them. Actually, the ending of Apokolips War was literally making the point that no matter what, Barry would always have to reset the timeline, something DC has done on multiple occasions, and doesn't seem to stop doing. Barry created the DCAU's New52 Timeline, Barry also ended it. But I guess none of this is worth talking about.. Is it?
Yeah a channel by the name of Andre Garza did a video on him. You can check out the playlist I put in the description too to see others' videos as well! :D
@@owenparris7490 Yeah, you should totally make your own video too! The variety on the playlist is crazy, so it'd be interesting to see what you'd do :) and good luck setting up your channel!!
ugh im so sorry about that, I had the prowler theme there and that segment got copyrighted and then RUclips made it worse, so I just removed that song rn. I apologize about that !!
@@Machuw ah. Thanks man. See i dont know exactly when it happened, i just knew i couldnt even hear you Explain anything. For a quick second we got kingpin singing 'here comes the Spider-man' but after that nothing again for a while
Oh no, yeah of course! A lot of my favorite pieces of media are animated, I was just saying that the trailers made this look specifically for kids imo, not that all animated stuff are catered towards kids :P
@@Machuw I tried to cut my hair one time and it was awful so I shaved all of it off. I used to be a rugby player and did judo and I my mother was a heavily involved with drugs to the point some of my babysitters were drug deals. Also I am a mighty 5'6 so I had it all asides from the high
Strangely, kids movie threat death with more depth than many movies. Just think about all the Disney movie were kids have to deal with the death of parents (and they don't come back or are invicible... hhmummum Marvel
I don't think she's a very good villain tbh. I think we're kinda past the point of having villains whose only motivation is to get more power and is just the reverse of the hero in terms of super powers. But, I'm glad you like her! :D
@@Machuw Drakov and Taskmaster were good not amazing but not awful like some of Phase 2's villains plus many more great ones are coming like Kang and the rogues gallery of the Fantastic Four
@@captainjakemerica4579 Hmm yeah I really did not like Drekov or Taskmaster honestly. But yes!! Kang and future MCU villains are probably going to kill it since the MCU acquired the Fox stuff. I'm really looking forward to seeing Dr. Doom the most!
@@captainjakemerica4579 Yeah, Drekov wasn't one note and had some depth. But I feel like he just turned into a generic exposition machine in the climax tbh
Yeah, I mean Kingpin's theme is dope and I ended up trying it out, but the Prowler's theme just hits a lot harder, and I love how it just comes out of nowhere lol
@Rangeet Ch.Lahiri don’t play that game with me! The snap was a huge deal and left in a psychological and emotional impact. I don’t understand why everyone makes a big deal out of the way how Kingpin killed Spidey. He just crushed him flat with his bare hands. I don’t find that dark. It seems to be a boring method to make a dark death. Being flatten by bare hands is hardly what I would call dark.
@@voiceacticon667 What makes people consider something to be dark is A) what happens and B) how it happens, the snap is dark, so is spider mans death, character deaths are considered dark, the difference is how brutal spider mans death is, you don’t see a body, but that just leaves to the imagination what happened to his crushed corpse, whereas in infinity war we see people just turn to dust.
@@voiceacticon667 I’ve watched The Boys and Invincible, I’ve read Stone Ocean, so by your logic, Infinity Wars snap isn’t dark because I’ve seen worse.
@@BLANK-pr5qs me saying I have seen worse is not why I don’t see Spidey’s death as dark. The death isn’t even a big deal. He just had his insides and bones crushed inwards. So what? Spidey’s sudden death like that is dark? Come on.
Oh yeah, most definitely! Even if you don't play you should at least check out the cutscenes on RUclips cause it also works very well as a long movie :D
@@Machuw I don't get how you're not too keen on any of them they all had great back stories and great personalities and definitely were 3 dimensional villains I feel ever sense Baron Zemo most MCU villains have been amazing to bare minimum good with the exception of Jude Law in Captain Marvel
Something else I noticed about this scene that I haven't seen anyone else talking about: one of the last bits of advice Peter gives Miles is to never let anyone see his face. It's one of the most important rules about being Spider-Man. What's the first thing Kingpin does when he's got Spidey pinned down? He unmasks him.
Ooo nice catch! Yeah, that's like the most fundamental aspect of Spiderman. So if Fisk was able to do it an experienced Spiderman, it really shows how much of a threat he is!
@@Machuw Exactly. It establishes him as a force to be reckoned with, even if it is a subtle thing that few people notice.
Really makes the scene where he unmasks himself to his uncle mean that much more with this in mind.
meanwhile MCU Peter Parker has his mask off as spiderman for like 75% of any movie because the writers want to reassure us that the actor is still there, Spider-verse actually respects the risk of taking off the mask
“Oh, that’s a no no.”
I like how they have Kingpin twisting his wedding ring when he's introduced to hint at his motivations.
Ughhh there's just so much amazing detail in this movie, it never ceases to amaze me.
@@Machuw yeah it’s cool
"whats about to happen next isnt gonna be very wholesome 100 for you spidey"
Lmfao
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Fun Fact: While Kingpin kills Peter in Earth-1610 in the movie, in the comic Verison of Earth-1610, Peter was killed by Norman Osborn/Green Goblin.
Oh, wow that is a fun fact, did not know that! So I guess Green Goblin being the one to stick peter into the Collider and inadvertently kill him was maybe an ode to it? :P
@@Machuw more than likely, however, Peter is still alive in 1610. The spider that bit him essentially gave him immortality which I was very disappointed as a comic book fan.
@@Currentmisgivings haha what immortality? That's kinda dumb and would take away a lot of dramatic impact. Hopefully spiderverse 2 doesn't adapt that and bring that Peter back or something
@@Machuw well the writers of the movie did make a really terrible (imo) spiderman storyline amazing. So I would like to say I'm pretty confident they won't do that. 1610 ended with spiderman riding into the sunset with mj and him back as spiderman cuz miles went to 616.
In another version of Spider-Man that has Miles Morales, Ultimate Spider-Man the cartoon, Peter Parker Spider-Man is also killed by the Green Goblin there, basically traumatizing Miles in the same way movie Miles got.
This movie is literally rich in cinematography, symbolism, and meaning.. a huge reason why this movie will ever be my favorite movie ever.
Right?! I feel like I can contiously find new stuff to appreciate about this film even three years later and it's crazy
@@Machuw like the "what's up danger" scene. Where not only does it look amazing, but also shows that when Miles does his leap of faith, he's still not confident enough in his abilities.
@@DissedRedEngie 100% the movie is so... Ugh it's just perfect in every way 😭
IKR?!! Best movie eva!
nah man, if you're seeing this, atsv has just topped it off, at least for me, it was a masterpiece, never in my life was i assured that i've watched the best movie i've ever seen
I love that the first thing kingpin does when he finds Peter trapped is rip his mask off. for the audience it breaks one of the rules we've come to expect and Peter calls it out. it immediately puts the audience on the back foot and shows that fisk isnt some villain of the week, he's a dude who is absolutely not playing around
Exactly !! Even when Spidey is in a jam, he's usually able to keep his secret identity in tact, but not this time... ;-;
I love how you just casually slip RUclips into the list of villains, it was so well done I almost didn't notice it, and had to rewind a few seconds to be sure of what you actually said. Well played, sir. Well played.
Glad someone appreciated that lmao
he is not wromg.
Kingpin has been done very well in all three of the latest big-screen (or Netflix) incarnations. Yes, even the disastrous Daredevil movie where Michael Clark Duncan as Kingpin. He was, by FAR, the best part of that movie. To a degree where I think it's acceptable to talk about MCD as Kingpin in the same discussion as Raul Julia as M Bison from Street Fighter. (Raul Julia as M Bison is clearly superior, but MCD makes Daredevil bearable and even, dare I say it, enjoyable.) He ruled the Underworld with an steel hand, but he wasn't outright "Evil" - the world needed strong leaders willing to do hard things, and he was that strong leader willing to do hard things. And fell into Darkness because of it.
The Netflix Kingpin was a different take on the Kingpin - more of an Abused Child who is trying to make the World a Better Place but Doesn't Understand The Damage He's Doing, then Ends Up Embracing his Darkness - but the performance was absolutely riveting, and in the end I came to admire the risks the writers took with him.
And this Kingpin was likewise riveting - willing to destroy an infinite number of worlds to bring his family back to him. It wasn't Power or Wealth he wanted... he just wanted his family back.
These writers understand the Kingpin. They may not understand many other Marvel villains, but they get Kingpin.
Ohh wow, I don't really see any appreciation for the Kingpin in the Ben Affleck Daredevil, so this was a very interesting read :) It really is interesting seeing all the different takes on the character, but at the end of the day, they all share a commonality of just being ruthlessly evil with a complicated past.
Not to mention as far as superpowers go their only "thing" is being super strong which they don't even use most of the time, relying instead on it playing into their indication factor, with their main power being ruthless cunning and often a master of the Xanatos gambit wherein they plan stuff out that no matter what happens they win on some level and more often than not get away with it with the heroes unable to do anything. Heck in the comics DD literally helps Kingpin get back in charge after realizing without his presence as an apex criminal predator the crime scene became even worse.
One line from MCD's Kingpin that stuck with me was, "Nobody's innocent. Nobody."
That moment solidified that he believes he can justify killing someone because deep down they're not innocent. They're innocence is a deception.
At least that's my take on it.
@@benjaminbierley2074 which builds a solid character, His incredible physical strength always ends up a background thing. enough to the point you forget 'oh yeah, this guy can snap a man's spine with a single hand.' Instead it focuses on his cunning and planning. And in the end, he becomes a necessary evil. He does evil things, rules the criminal underworld with an iron fist, but that same iron fist makes sure said criminal underworld doesn't overwhelm the normal lives of people. When he gets knocked out of his spot, things get worse. Becomes he organized it, and his presence being removes, disorganizes.
If you pause it right before his fists come down, his facial expression is terrifying. This is my favorite movie of all time. I'm OBSESSED with it.
Lol right?! I saw that when I was editing for the first time and it was horrifying 😂
I only saw that shot because of the kingpin is a redditor video
So many great frames in the entire movie
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That's going to be a child's formative memory.
LMAOO trauma's fun
LOL
It's a traumatic memory for everyone.
He and Doc Ock were absolutely killing it in this movie; Spiderman's rogue's gallery is the closest marvel has to Batman's and its always fun to see the different interpretations of them, and in this case do them really fucking well
I remember watching this movie for the first time and thinking "Did I just watch Spider-Man die in front of my own eye?"
It was so difficult to process because the movie starts off as described: another day in the life of Spider-Man. He's done this before, we know he can handle this... until the reactor goes off and Kingpin just crushes him, like nothing.
Really reminds you that, although Spidey is incredibly powerful, he *can* be overwhelmed, and killed if the opportunity shows itself. Oh damn :/
Yeah, ikr?! It was so well done introducing the movie off with him talking about how much experience he has; it really makes his death that much more shocking o.O
@@Machuw It honestly does! Great video, by the way! I loved your anaylsis and pick. As well received as Spider-Verse is, I feel that this movie is still fairly underrated by some people. :)
@@ryebread117_ Thank you! And yeah, it is still a little underrated, and the cool thing is that even if you love it, there are still some cool details to pick up every now and then :)
@@Machuw I wholeheartedly agree. It's a great film with tons of little details that fans can appreciate.
An additional detail I REALLY wish you mentioned:
When he's introduced, Kingpin is so huge he basically acts as a framing device. He always takes up the majority of screen space in every shot that includes him, pushing every other character to the side.
This continues for the entire movie, right up until the scene at the end where he's in the train begging his family to come back. In that single scene his bulk is hidden from us, instead all we see is his face framed by a window. Then the camera zooms out, and suddenly he seems so... _small._
Oh wow, what a great detail! Glad you pointed out that framing shot at the end where the camera zoomed out, making him feel small. I swear, every time I rewatch this movie, I discover new details. Nice catch!
Scrolled down the playlist until I spotted this among the thanoses and jokers. Finally, MY favourite superhero movie! Watched and subbed, good luck with your channel 💖
This movie just was full of iconic villains (doc ock, prowler) and yet this Kingpin dominated them all ... his character design I feel was stylized that way to show how he was larger than life, a massive looming shadow on Miles ' psyche. It reflected how this scene struck Miles at the time, as you pointed out, the pov of the scene being Miles let it focus on the fear and chaos instead of the fun quips from Spidey's POV.
Completely agree with you and I'm sooo glad you liked the video, man! I appreciate the support :D
Like you, I wasn’t expecting Spiderverse to be so good and Kingpin’s character in this movie is amazing and he’s one of my favorite villains just due to his intimidating prescience and killing Spider-Man like that does really set in how scary he is. (Also, my little brother and my father were watching it with me and when Spider-Man died they were in shock which brought a smile to my face since these scenes always are really cool to see since you rarely do)
Liev Schreiber was incredible voicing him.
Haha sounds like it was a fun time watching their reaction xD. It was a super shocking scene though so definitely understandable haha
I more or less went into Spiderverse knowing that Spidy was gonna die. As that's literally the event that resulted in Miles becoming the new Spiderman in his origin story. Peter was his uncle ben moment in the original.
Ok this vid is straight up my favorite in the entire playlist
Even if the "production quality" isn't the best of them all
It just hits the point of One Villainous Scene SO much better (tho the others aren't bad just a not as good)
Love this vid def worth a sub
Oh wow, what an honor! Thanks, I'm glad you really liked it :D and yeah I'm still working on improving my production quality/editing to be better with each video. Thanks for watching!
Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse surprisingly became my favorite movie ever, and possibly one of the greatest movies of all time. Watching this video showed me parts of Kingpin’s character I didn’t notice at first, and has pretty much reinforced my belief that this is one of the greatest movies ever.
It's a movie that continously ages better and better for me somehow. I had no expectations for it going into it and it blew me away completely. Agreed taht it's one of the greatest movies ever made :)
the "nobody dies in a kids movie" is a stupid idea that just HAS to die! Children have to experience the full spectrum of emotion to grow up okay and have some morals
Haha I agree. Although I think Disney already kinda did that with all the parents dying in their films 😂
@@Machuw they almost never did on screen though
what blows my mind with this film is that the more you look, the more depth you find. Why is Fisk wearing a black suit, where most classic depictions of the Kingpin have him wearing white? *He's in mourning.* Why does the Kingpin hedge his bets on a weird science machine, given that all incarnations of this character have been mobsters first and foremost, with supervillain stuff secondary to his making money? Because of the one exception: the one thing that matters to *every* version of Fisk, across the cartoon series, the Daredevil series and the comics, is his family. Richard and Vanessa are always his *one* emotional weakness. It's what undoes him in the cartoon series, what drives him to crazier and crazier schemes in the comics and Vanessa is the reason for his reckless actions in Daredevil. From the moment I saw him in the introductory scene, and saw that Spiderverse's Kingpin was doing some unsafe, unprofitable weird science supervillain stuff, *I knew* that *something* must have happened with Richard & Vanessa, because there's nothing else in the multiverse that would make Wilson fucking Fisk make an unsafe investment like that.
Not only is Spiderverse a great movie on its own, but it's so masterfully written that its characters are perfectly consistent with all other iterations of themselves. Think about the Prowler episode in the spider-man cartoon from the 90s. There, as in Spiderverse, Aaron makes a deal with Kingpin for a suit and powers, and becomes trapped in a cycle of violence. There, as in Spiderverse, the one thing that gets him out of it is his love for his family.
Characters remain the same even across iterations of the multiverse. I could go on and on, because this movie is incredible.
Wow o.O Very well said! I didn't pick up on the reason for Kingpin wearing black, and I think that's a really cool detail now haha. I find the writing to be really spectacular in its own right, and the fact that it coincides with all the other iterations is just... Ugh *chef's kiss*. Anyway, really cool analysis, thanks for showing me some stuff that I didn't pick up on :P
This analysis was amazing! I do find that this movie had some very good villains that were complex. Both the prowler and Kingpin had their own characters and you could *almost* sympathise with them. That’s when you know a movie hits home, when you actually feel emotion towards the villain or their actions.
The best villains are the one's with a lot of emotion and complexity to them tbh. Kingpin isn't even in the movie allll that much, which I think is a bigger testament to him as the writers were able to do a lot with very little in terms of characterization :)
there's alot that can be talked about when it comes to the storytelling of this movie. For example, The framerate changing from 12fps to 24? It's something unnerving to see at the begining, somethings not right and you can't really put your finger on it. Much like what miles is experiencing at the start of the movie. He's unsure of himself and the world around him, he doesn't fit in, and most importantly he's not living up to his potential. After he gets his powers though and goes through his hero's journey he slowly start's to become more fluid, he fits into his world better, he understands it better the world itself isn't so jarring. The first time i watched this movie that's all i could think about. The subtle storytelling that experimenting with framerate could pull off and how well that endeared the character to me. Into the spiderverse deserves to be recognized for it's genius and nonconvention style of story telling. It by itself is a masterclass in cinematography and storytelling through art.
Wowww I don't think I've seen an analysis of how the framerate directly contrasts to the narrative before o.O. That's a really cool detail; the movie really is a masterpiece imo, there's just an endless amount of details that I continue to pick up when I watch it more. Not to mention that the movie is just relentlessly entertaining as well. Nice analysis !!
That build up of prowlers theme to the word villainous was expertly done
Thanks, glad you liked that :D
Less than a thousand subs?!
This was some PROFESSIONAL level quality!
Hehe yeah, hopefully I'll get 1000 soon lol. I'm glad you enjoyed the video tho :)
You know, for someone who's known for playing Logan's brother Victor in X-Men Origins: Wolverine, I don't think Liev Schreiber got enough credit for this role here.
Yeah, his voice acting and overall demeanor in this film are unmatched for sure. The dude is incredibly talented and makes this Kingpin wholly unique!
This is legit the scene I would do and I thought that before seeing this video
Haha yeah I guess a lot of people naturally think of this when thinking about a horrifying villain o.O
Video essay...? At seven minutes? I've been spoiled by the longman.
Also, you somehow didn't mention the raw emotion displayed in Kingpin's face the instant after Spidey says it won't work. That alone, I feel, says more than you did in seven minutes, and more than I could in the same time. Like... it's just so good, the brief flash of reflection, the questions he's asking himself, the reassurance to himself that he is only doing what he must, the rage that then bolsters it and then finally his reason flying out of the window as he prepares to swing. All of that in a few seconds, so immaculately captured.
Yeah, I mean video essays don't have to be long haha. This video took me literally a day to make, I admire people who make like 40 minute video essays cause that definitely take a lot of patience. As far as ur little analysis, I reallyyy liked what you had to say. The short visual expression where he briefly considered what Peter was saying, which then quickly faded was very well done :)
Seeing someone this young making content this good makes me happy for your future and video essays in general W
Thank you man, very kind of you to say! Glad you liked it ^_^
Wow this blew my mind! You've earned more than just a subscription 🔥
Wow, thanks dude! Glad you enjoyed the video :D
This is fantastic! An excellent analysis of an excellent villain.
Thanks!! Glad you enjoyed it :D
this channel, incredible
keep up with the good work
Thanks man, and I'll try!
You captured exactly how I felt about this Kingpin when I saw him for the first time. Cheers 💙
How dare you insult Dark Apokolips War!? But seriously, good video.
lolol sorryyy, but I'm glad you liked the video anyway :P
The scene that made me realize this movie was fucking amazing.
Right?! The movie just did a complete 180 there and the rest of the movie after that was just... pure perfection man
This was a really good video essay. I'm definitely going to subscribe
Thank you man! I really do appreciate that! :D
The best shocking moment in an animation film ever can't wait for the 2nd 😎😎😎🤩🤩🤩🤩
Right?! Goshhh I'm so hyped for Spider-verse 2 next year :))
I love this movie
Its almost perfect in every way
And no words when miles takes a leap of faith
One of the rare movies I would genuinely call perfect. The what's up danger scene is pure cinema 😌😌
That was really good dude. I cried.
Thanks! Really glad you liked it :)
Great breakdown of this scene. I had the same feeling going into this movie, that it was going to be for kids, but they really did a great job with this. Marvel has had some hits and some misses. Into the Spiderverse was definitely one of the former.
Yeah, I wish marvel and Sony were able to consistently produce movies that are at least half as good as this tbh
Incredibly underrated video. Keep it up!
Thanks, will do! :D
Great video. I like your editing style. This is one of the better videos on the play list
Thanks man, appreciate it. Editing usually takes me a very long time so glad you liked it haha
Well well well if it isn't the Spider Man
I remember doing this for one horrifying moment but your video is a lot better
Thank you dude! And haha yeah I remember One Horrifying Moment, I participated in that one too :P
@@Machuw yeah I saw and the video looks great but I’m avoiding spoilers for when I eventually watch daredevil
@@Mirrorcomics24 Ah okay, makes sense. Well hopefully you get around to watching Daredevil soon bc it's probably the best comic-book piece of media out there imo
@@Machuw I hope so, I heard it’s one of the best that marvel made
Spider-Man was originally gonna be like 17 and get his face disintegrated by the beam, now THAT would be dark
Uhhh yeah a 17 year old spiderman getting brutally killed would uh... Definitely be dark 😳
This is great, underrated channel
Thanks! Glad you like it :)
@@Machuw :D
You forgot to mention that this scene is not so wholesome 100 Spider Man
Yeah, definitely a more mature/grittier spiderman that isn't so wholesome and willing to crack jokes all the time!
This was an amazing scene, but I keep thinking about the 6 year old kid in the theater who loves spider man and just saw him die…
Hahaha just complete shock and trauma 😂 poor kid lol
Great analysis as always, keep it up
Thanks man!! I appreciate you always checking them out! :D
Great video mate
Thanks bruh, glad you liked it!
Why did no one expect spiderverse to be so great? I knew it was going to be good from the beginning. I didn’t think michell vs machines wasn’t going to be good and was going to be for kids.
Yeah, again, it was just the trailers misselling the movie for me personally. Mitchells vs the machines was also a nice surprise for me
@@MachuwThat is fair. I do agree that michell vs machines was a breath of fresh air. I just reread my comment and it sounds a lot angrier then I meant to convey. I just wanted express my opinion. 😅
@@fancypants3828 Hahaha it's all good man, I didn't think you were angry anyway, but I agree with what you said 😂
To be fair, Sony has a pretty mixed track record with movies. Everything they make is either really really good, or unbearably awful. Keep in mind this is the same Studio that made the Emoji Movie.
Nobody:
Invincible's intro: 6:38
LMFAOOOO
0:47 And keep in mind this was coming from the same studio that put out the Emoji Movie the previous year.
lmao exactly!
@@Machuw Fun fact Into The Spider-Verse actually got nominated for a Razzie... that being the Razzie Redeemer Award which is given to films/people that showed a comeback after a Razzie win, it lost to Melissa McCarthy for Can You Ever Forgive Me, but this came when I brought up how Sony Animation went from The Emoji Movie to Into The Spider-Verse.
@@GOODYGOODGOOD789 Wow, that is a fun fact! I didn't even know that razzies had awards for things like that haha
@@Machuw Weird random fact that award made it so that Will Smith won a Razzie and an Oscar for the same performance, and said performance really slapped. Also, the most recent Razzie Redeemer Award was given to Colin Farrell (who paled Bullseye in the 2003 Daredevil movie) and it was for him going from winning a Razzie for Alexander (the film that taught us all that Alexander the Great actually had an Irish accent) to getting nominated for an Oscar for the Banshees of Inisherin. BTW I wrote this entire reply because I wanted to joke about Colin Farrell's Irish accent in Alexander. After all, it's hard for me to resist joking about that.
@@GOODYGOODGOOD789 lmaoooo thank you for telling me all that
Looks like I'm your 600th subscriber :)
YAYYYY THANKS SO MUCH I APPRECIATE IT
Great stuff! I can’t wait to see more!
Thank you dude! More videos coming soon ^_^
Subscribed of the RUclips jab alone. Great video
lol glad you liked that, and thanks for subbing man! :D
Great Video!
Thanks! Glad you liked it ^_^
I like your vids, nice art too :3
hehe, thank you! Glad you like them :D
@@Machuw did you make it yourself or someone else did it for you? Art I mean x3
@@7Adamus I used to! But now I have a bunch of other wonderful artists that make them :) All I do is just add slight variations like the sleeping or the confused art xP
@@Machuw that's amazing, you're so lucky to know such talented ppl :3
nice video bro
keep it up!!
Haha I'll try, and I'm so glad you liked it !!
Why?
Because Bowling Ball man…
The scene gets worse(better?) when you consider the sequel introduces the concept of “canon,” events that keep repeating across every universe. As a result of this one action, that is Kingpin being seen beating up Miles in the collider by every version of his family across the multiverse, he’s inadvertently driving all of them to the same end, at the same time. He created his own canon event. It makes his actions that much worse.
Your videos are pretty good
Thanks! I am glad you like them :)
Justice League Dark: Apokolips War wasn't really a subversion, it's only a subversion if you watched it in a vacuum and didn't consider the previous films in the series. The DCAU starting with Flashpoint Paradox was a series of films that told a narrative across many films. Some of the films were more "standalone" than others, but to watch Apokolips War without the context of previous films would make it seem very "subversive" indeed. "The Death of Superman" setup Doomsday and "Reign of the Supermen" gave us clues as to what Darkseid was up to, all of the people who were subverted by the Doomsday Parademons probably weren't aware of the previous films/didn't watch them. Actually, the ending of Apokolips War was literally making the point that no matter what, Barry would always have to reset the timeline, something DC has done on multiple occasions, and doesn't seem to stop doing. Barry created the DCAU's New52 Timeline, Barry also ended it. But I guess none of this is worth talking about.. Is it?
So I assume his wife didnt know he was a villian and so she just straight up left that's a big oof
Yeah, I'm fairly certiain she didn't know based off her reaction, so yeah... big oof indeed ;-;
@@Machuw yikesss....
Is there anyone part of this project that’s done Magneto from the X-Men movies yet? I feel there’s a lot to be covered with him.
Yeah a channel by the name of Andre Garza did a video on him. You can check out the playlist I put in the description too to see others' videos as well! :D
ScreenCrush did about Magneto
Gonna have to disagree about Apokalips War but all in all, great video!
Thanks!
@@Machuw No problem. Thinking about making my own One Villainous Scene but it'll probably be a while. Trying to get my channel itself set up lol.
@@owenparris7490 Yeah, you should totally make your own video too! The variety on the playlist is crazy, so it'd be interesting to see what you'd do :) and good luck setting up your channel!!
@@Machuw Thanks!
DAMN I WANTED TO MAKE THIS ONE
Heh... Nevermind I'll just watch this
HEHE SORRY. You can still make it if u have other stuff to say tho ^_^
@@Machuw Thanks! I'll watch this video later and I'll consider making the video then!
How do you have 530 subs you deserve thousands more man!
Your really underrated
Yo thanks man, and it's just the way of the RUclips algorithm I guess 😅 but I really appreciate that you watched the video and enjoyed it :)
@@Machuw no problem!
Movie does literally the origin story for miles that's been in the comic for years, "so bold" (this comment is mainly a joke)
Hahaha yeah I hadn't heard of Miles like ever before this movie, so it was all new to me lol
You know what is actually surpricing?
This come from Sony animation.
Emoji movie's Sony animation.
Lol that was also one of the reasons I was apprehensive, emoji movie only came out like a year before this so I didn't think it would be that good lol
What it was amazing
Possible controversial opinion - "Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse" is the best Spider-Man movie. Period.
You know... I had to think about this for a really long time, but... I do agree
subbed. 10/10
Yo thanks bro, and happy you liked the video! :D
....soooo does no one else seem to question that at the point when we get 'kingpin arrives' music just overtakes everything? I couldnt hear him
ugh im so sorry about that, I had the prowler theme there and that segment got copyrighted and then RUclips made it worse, so I just removed that song rn. I apologize about that !!
@@Machuw ah. Thanks man. See i dont know exactly when it happened, i just knew i couldnt even hear you Explain anything. For a quick second we got kingpin singing 'here comes the Spider-man' but after that nothing again for a while
@@drewchristopher4609 Yeah, sorry about that, it's fixed now!
I hate how at 3:58 Spiderham's nostrils blink with his eyes
LMAOOOO I didn't even notice that till now 😂
Dude, animation isn’t always mean, “kid’s movie”. Just want to point that out.
Oh no, yeah of course! A lot of my favorite pieces of media are animated, I was just saying that the trailers made this look specifically for kids imo, not that all animated stuff are catered towards kids :P
@@Machuw Thank you for the clarification
@person personsome people always look at animation for movies cause of how it looks and seeing so many kids animations they draw a stereotype
My college nickname was kingpin
o.O
@@Machuw I tried to cut my hair one time and it was awful so I shaved all of it off. I used to be a rugby player and did judo and I my mother was a heavily involved with drugs to the point some of my babysitters were drug deals. Also I am a mighty 5'6 so I had it all asides from the high
@@whatislife7363 Oh, wow dude, I'm really sorry you went through that. Although having the nickname "Kingpin" does sound kinda cool...
Strangely, kids movie threat death with more depth than many movies. Just think about all the Disney movie were kids have to deal with the death of parents (and they don't come back or are invicible... hhmummum Marvel
Haha you right. That is pretty weird though, huh lolol
Why the hell did you bring up Agatha Harkness when you said lackluster villains?
I don't think she's a very good villain tbh. I think we're kinda past the point of having villains whose only motivation is to get more power and is just the reverse of the hero in terms of super powers. But, I'm glad you like her! :D
Agatha Harkness was awesome also
Glad you liked her! But I honestly have not liked a single phase 4 villain so far.
@@Machuw Drakov and Taskmaster were good not amazing but not awful like some of Phase 2's villains plus many more great ones are coming like Kang and the rogues gallery of the Fantastic Four
@@captainjakemerica4579 Hmm yeah I really did not like Drekov or Taskmaster honestly. But yes!! Kang and future MCU villains are probably going to kill it since the MCU acquired the Fox stuff. I'm really looking forward to seeing Dr. Doom the most!
@@Machuw really I liked what they did with both of them and I'm glad Drakov wasn't the one note villain it seemed he'd be at first
@@captainjakemerica4579 Yeah, Drekov wasn't one note and had some depth. But I feel like he just turned into a generic exposition machine in the climax tbh
I am NOT a redditor….
I guess you could say you're a... big chung-
Honestly I would have like someone like green goblin to have been the one to kill spider man or venom not some giant egg
Lmfao "giant egg" I feel that man, but it worked for me xP
anyone know what that song is in the background at 2:00 ?
I'll try to find the exact one later, but I used a remix version of the prowler's theme :)
@@Machuw thx fam
and yet you played the prowler's theme not kingpin's...
Yeah, I mean Kingpin's theme is dope and I ended up trying it out, but the Prowler's theme just hits a lot harder, and I love how it just comes out of nowhere lol
i wondering how the sony kiping was able to have kids...
😳😳 I don't think we want to know bro
You sound like Daily Dose of Internet 😂 😲
Hahahah yeah I guess I kinda do, first time someone's said that tho lol
@@Machuw it’s an honor to be the first to mention it then my friend 😊God bless you
Finally someone else who knows that Darkseid war or whatever it was called is dogshit
I don’t understand why people make such a big deal about Spider-Man killing Kingpin saying it’s dark. Dude, the guy just crushed him inward. Big deal.
@Rangeet Ch.Lahiri don’t play that game with me! The snap was a huge deal and left in a psychological and emotional impact. I don’t understand why everyone makes a big deal out of the way how Kingpin killed Spidey. He just crushed him flat with his bare hands. I don’t find that dark. It seems to be a boring method to make a dark death. Being flatten by bare hands is hardly what I would call dark.
@@voiceacticon667 What makes people consider something to be dark is A) what happens and B) how it happens, the snap is dark, so is spider mans death, character deaths are considered dark, the difference is how brutal spider mans death is, you don’t see a body, but that just leaves to the imagination what happened to his crushed corpse, whereas in infinity war we see people just turn to dust.
@@BLANK-pr5qs I still don’t consider Spidey’s sudden death by Kingpin’s hands as dark. We’ve seen much worse then that.
@@voiceacticon667 I’ve watched The Boys and Invincible, I’ve read Stone Ocean, so by your logic, Infinity Wars snap isn’t dark because I’ve seen worse.
@@BLANK-pr5qs me saying I have seen worse is not why I don’t see Spidey’s death as dark. The death isn’t even a big deal. He just had his insides and bones crushed inwards. So what? Spidey’s sudden death like that is dark? Come on.
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I'll consider it! Thanks for the recommendation :)
@@Machuw thx
They released another Spiderman game on PS4? the only one i knew of was awful. I gotta look into the good one.
Oh yeah, most definitely! Even if you don't play you should at least check out the cutscenes on RUclips cause it also works very well as a long movie :D
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Haha thanks! I need all the help I can get lol
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@@Machuw That's all?
@@-Scrapper- Nope
@@Machuw Ok
The MCU has had many great villains wtf you talking about
I mean I like Thanos, Killmonger, Loki, Zemo and Mysterio but that's basically it out of the entire MCU tbh
@@Machuw there's more than that Vulture and Ego and Hela were also amazing
@@captainjakemerica4579 Ohhh right I forgot about Vulture, you're totally right about that, he's amazing. Not too keen on ego or hela tho tbh
@@Machuw I don't get how you're not too keen on any of them they all had great back stories and great personalities and definitely were 3 dimensional villains I feel ever sense Baron Zemo most MCU villains have been amazing to bare minimum good with the exception of Jude Law in Captain Marvel
@@captainjakemerica4579 Maybe Ego and Hela are lame, because they both die at the end.