..and the Japanese learned about reliability from W. Edwards Deming, an American who assisted Japan with their post-war rebuilding effort. Deming was known for statistical process control and quality. The American car companies laughed at and discounted his theories, which proved to be a costly mistake when they were putting out unreliable, dangerous, and gas-guzzling vehicles while Japan dominated through most of the 80's to early 2000's with incredibly reliable and fuel-efficient vehicles.
While I agree that Porsche has retained their reputation for reliability by employing more modern assembly techniques, what is missing from this story is probably the most important. Porsche already had a reputation for being very durable, especially when compared to automobiles that perform near or at their respectable levels. Porsche altered their production methods when the decision was made to increase the amount of vehicles they were producing annually. The Boxster was introduced, with hopes of increasing sales volume by offering the more affordable Porsche after the absents of the 968 car which was had been discontinued. Plans for more general purpose performance vehicles were in the works as well to increase public interest. These would of course become the Cayenne SUV model and the Panamera luxury sedans. These goals required faster and more cost efficient manufacturing processes to obtain. The folks at Porsche did not want to lose their reputation for building high performance vehicles with superior reliability. So they reached out for persons with applicable experience in the high volume, profitable production of vehicles. Porsche did not obtain their reputation from their later production processing, they retained it.
Solid information, very well laid out too. Its good to know Porsche quality is high because their parent company Volkswagen is definitely not as good. And this is coming from an ex GTI owner who loved the car "when it was actually running and not in the dealership for repairs"
Wendell L To know that second reliable car company behind Lexus is Porsche is very relieving. It would be soooo sick if Lexus and Porsche teamed up for a super car like how Mercedes and McLaren did in the past.
porsche wont publish the amount of engines it had to replaced(watercooled boxer engines) www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Porsche-996-997-Carrera/13-ENGINE-Common_Engine_Carrera_Problems/13-ENGINE-Common_Engine_Carrera_Problems.htm
I knew Toyota helped with 986 -- didn't realize Porsche implemented entire way of manufacturing throughout models. Interesting vid on why the quality is so high.
@Lol Haha Not in my experience. My 2017 Cayenne S has not been impressive and I haven't even gotten to 30k. It's been at the dealership for a week to fix some sort of oil leak. It's also had all of its fuel pumps replaced and the trim on the front doors replaced. The leather steering wheel is also showing inordinate wear.
Hi Bobby , great video. I have a question to ask. I m planning to get a used 2009 Porsche Cayenne 4.8 GTS with 55k on the clock. It's first gen facelift version, do you have any idea about the reliability of the car? What I heard from others is that first gen Cayenne air suspension won't last long and sensors from the car always give problems . I will be appreciate for your advice.
these are not usual cars if it is over 150k $ expect it to has expensive service costs moral of the story if you have money buy one if dont buy a toyota corolla and be glad you have it
That’s not true at all. My friend has a 140k ZR1 corvette and the maintenance and repairs are no more expensive than the maintenance and repairs on my 50k silverado truck.
Hello bobby ang , im rooting to this porsche and mainly 911 gt3 now but important question is this car jerky in d low speed even in comfort mode like many sports car and how the suspension goes for uneven KL road experience ?
As cars becoming more complex, reliability will suffer. Lexus and Acura are seeing this issues on their newer models. The pursue of faster performance, and better fuel efficiency are making modern vehicles less reliable, and more expensive to maintain.
Brilliant car. I will go for base Macan instead of Macan S or Macan Turbo. The Based Macan is a very good 2.0 turbo, the Macan S is an underwhelming 3.0 turbo and the Macan Turbo is a lousy big V6 turbo.
Actually, I'd have to totally disagree. My 2016 Macan S was in for its first service last month, purchased used with 13k miles, and I was given a 2018 2.0 for a loaner. And it was underpowered even in Sport Mode. The Macan S twin turbo is a beast with nearly 90 more HP, and a growl ! Plus, much faster and with far more torque. I was very glad to get back into my S Bobby. Thanks for the video, makes me feel better after they replaced my transfer case 30 days after getting the car. Hope that's all the bad news on this vehicle, but it drives like new ! And the car is very exciting to drive !
Porsche is very successful financially because they make and sell cars that people want. Including the SUVs. They also have the cache of being an attainable luxury brand that allows them to charge ridiculous prices for options and service. Their profit margin is really high because of this. A moon roof shouldn't be three grand but that's what you'll pay. Mercedes does the same thing.
BMW should be ashamed of selling cars, maybe they should try getting into fast food instead, I had one BMW never getting another one over a 2 month period everything was breaking down, and BMW loyalists kept telling me it just needs maintenance, maintenance! What maintenance? am I supposed to replace every part on the car on a regular basis?
Just bought a 2019 macan GTS… I traded in my Q5 and you know what!? $700 a month. I don’t care I deserve it. But when they said it will cost 800 bucks per brake pad replacement, I died a bit on the inside.😅 anyways… I could have never been able to afford my dream car if I’m back home in Europe. USA USA! “Im an alien, im a legal alien!
Don't change your brake pads with Porsche, these parts are everywhere, you can buy them yourself or go to third party workshops. Changing brake pads out of Porsche 4S won't affect your warranty.
Look mom, I heard something on RUclips, now I gonna repeat it forever :) Yes, what's with the IMS bearing? Porsche fixed most cars, and generally, it was not an issue. 70% of all 911 ever produced are still on the road today, that is why they are reliable objectively. And because they don't constantly break down on you.
Porsche were always known for building cars to rival Ferarri for decades and were known for their reliability and have gone down in 24Hr Le Mans history as the best ever, so if these Toyota employees made Porsche better then all is good, if they made any difference that is. The Germans are very stubborn and like to evolve their cars. If Toyota had all the answers how come the new Supra is a rebadged BMW Z4??? (Even the interior is stock BMW Z4 lol)
Overall Porsche does make the most reliable vehicles of all the European vehicle manufacturers. Toyota/Lexus is the number ONE reliable vehicles in the world. Porsche overall balances performance, handling, reliability, and luxury vehicle affordability in a extraordinary package. Majority of vehicle buyers look at price, styling, and performance numbers. Vehicle history reliability is the key to purchasing any vehicle, who likes to keep going back and forth for maintenance on wasted time/money, better resale value, and the worst is being stranding on the highway at night.
+boy638 not all could. But actually almost all car companies now use some form of Kaizen or JIT system. But some factories have agreements with local government to support by providing job opportunity, so they have to design certain job functions to be manual in their factory to keep the machine/human ratio to one that's agreeable to local governments. You may have the same brand with not a single factory employing the same processes in manufacturing, but of course they have the same tolerances set forth.
Lean, kaizen, JIT are imlemented to increase the efficiency of manufacturing process. Every factory has some form of these techniques implemented or they would go bankrupt. The reliability of the car depends on the design of the components. Toyota was using 1970's technology and principles in their engines until recently. They would put old proven engines into all their cars versus german manufacturers using the latest technology to reduce emissions. What is more, german engines have more components for the same, ecological reasons. As a result toyotas were less fuel efficient and more reliable until very recently, when they introduced new technological engines in their models. If reliability would be manufacturer main priority they wouldn't have done no R&D since 70s, 80s or 90s because back then most manufacturers had reliable engines. Even bmw, mercedes and vag group had simple robust engines. Why are porsches marked as reliable cars? Main reason in my opinion is that they do not cover same distance as other manufacturer cars. According to ADAC, which does various comparisons and tests in germany, average porsche does 50,000km in 10 years and an average toyota/lexus does more than 100,000 km. Another reason is that they actually are built properly. For example, gearboxes on a 911 if compared to a GTR are tens of times more reliable.
Mid 90's Toyota build DOHC engines with variable valve timing and turbos, in 2000 they made cars with direct injection and in 2006 hybrids with direct injection. What kind of 1970's technology are you referring to? If anything they're 10 years ahead of germans. As for fuel efficiency it's not that Toyota engines are less efficient- it's just Toyta doesn't lie about it's cars fuel consumtion.
Most of the Porsche are not driven as a daily commute vehicles or being used as somewhat frequently driven vehicles. That is why Porsche reliability is so erroneously and dis-proportionally rank that high. If Porsche is driven like daily commute vehicles, its reliability probably ranks the same level as Land Rover and Jeep. And the cost of fixing Porsche and maintaining Porsche also put a damper to the Porsche owners to drive them hard or frequently. For the naysayers to what I just said, Porsche shares most of its platforms with Audi. Part bins are mostly the same as other VW product lines. Quality control probably the same. So, their reliability when use normally, will be the same.
Buy a first gen cayenne if you think Porsche has good reliability... I love the cars but they have the worst reliability. Engine, gearboxes, driveline and electrics fail on these. In 80s and early 90s Porsche had very good reliability
@@BobbyAngmalaysia Yeah i know.. but the engines are pretty bad too. Cylinder scoring and other stuff. And they are buildt by porsche. Same with 996, engines are not dependable. Too bad, they are nice cars
nonsense - 911 depreciates horrendously from new, has rear engine which is horrible and practically impossible to work on in fact the engine has to be removed for many common engine repairs and has the poorly engineered IMS bearing prone to killing the whole engine - Porsche made the Tiger tank in ww2 which was another reason the Germans lost WW2
My 1971 Porsche 914 was by far the most unreliable car I've ever owned. I bought it new as a college graduation gift to myself and, in spite of its excellent handling characteristics (under normal driving conditions), it had far to many problems.
No la ! Apparently you are a Porsche enthusiasts. However opinions coming out from Singapore, not one of the state with driver friendly environment, nor a hot-bed for car manufacturers, high quality of Porsches purely based on association with Japanese manufacturing methodology is very misleading. There is a lot of engineering, R&D, a team of worldwide racing following in putting Porsches on the map.
Dude if Porsche would hired anyone from Toyota then Porsche would would end up like Toyota and start making boring cars Corolla Corolla camary or Siena. Smfh. Looks u watching too many movies lately
Oh man, don't let Scotty hear that Toyota engineers helped save Porsche!!!! 😏
Bruh that dude always contradicts what he says and just goes hmm
@@porschelover5631 he will never shut up about it he will be bringing that up for the rest of his life 🤣🤣🤣
..and the Japanese learned about reliability from W. Edwards Deming, an American who assisted Japan with their post-war rebuilding effort. Deming was known for statistical process control and quality. The American car companies laughed at and discounted his theories, which proved to be a costly mistake when they were putting out unreliable, dangerous, and gas-guzzling vehicles while Japan dominated through most of the 80's to early 2000's with incredibly reliable and fuel-efficient vehicles.
the best from the best 2 countries together. Germany and Japan.
Except during WWII, you mean ?
Gerry Keefe
Lol.
@@hemmarket ...I have a couple of porsche in my garage and like them a lot but your comment is funny as hell.
While I agree that Porsche has retained their reputation for reliability by employing more modern assembly techniques, what is missing from this story is probably the most important.
Porsche already had a reputation for being very durable, especially when compared to automobiles that perform near or at their respectable levels.
Porsche altered their production methods when the decision was made to increase the amount of vehicles they were producing annually.
The Boxster was introduced, with hopes of increasing sales volume by offering the more affordable Porsche after the absents of the 968 car which was had been discontinued. Plans for more general purpose performance vehicles were in the works as well to increase public interest. These would of course become the Cayenne SUV model and the Panamera luxury sedans.
These goals required faster and more cost efficient manufacturing processes to obtain. The folks at Porsche did not want to lose their reputation for building high performance vehicles with superior reliability. So they reached out for persons with applicable experience in the high volume, profitable production of vehicles.
Porsche did not obtain their reputation from their later production processing, they retained it.
German engineering + Japanese manufacturing systems = the most complete supercars
Solid information, very well laid out too. Its good to know Porsche quality is high because their parent company Volkswagen is definitely not as good. And this is coming from an ex GTI owner who loved the car "when it was actually running and not in the dealership for repairs"
Wendell L To know that second reliable car company behind Lexus is Porsche is very relieving. It would be soooo sick if Lexus and Porsche teamed up for a super car like how Mercedes and McLaren did in the past.
porsche wont publish the amount of engines it had to replaced(watercooled boxer engines)
www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Porsche-996-997-Carrera/13-ENGINE-Common_Engine_Carrera_Problems/13-ENGINE-Common_Engine_Carrera_Problems.htm
The motor in my 02 Boxster S blew up last week. Only had 49 k miles. Its a common thing in Porsches from 98 - 2010.
Porsche quality was established before 1990...
my new 992 (911) at 4200 miles has been 100% trouble free... 6 months and not even a single glitch.. mind you, this is the first year for the 992.
@Lol Haha 13000 miles... trouble free.
4200 miles and 6 months is uh , not a lot ?
I knew Toyota helped with 986 -- didn't realize Porsche implemented entire way of manufacturing throughout models. Interesting vid on why the quality is so high.
I can never get bored reading and hearing about the history of Porsche.
So who's fault was the IMS bearing? :P
User Problem. LOL
Because they are most leased, they get returned to dealership after 4 years :D
Porsches are terrible leases, and therefore leases make up a small fraction of their vehicles sold. You are misinformed.
@Lol Haha Not in my experience. My 2017 Cayenne S has not been impressive and I haven't even gotten to 30k. It's been at the dealership for a week to fix some sort of oil leak. It's also had all of its fuel pumps replaced and the trim on the front doors replaced. The leather steering wheel is also showing inordinate wear.
Hi Bobby , great video. I have a question to ask. I m planning to get a used 2009 Porsche Cayenne 4.8 GTS with 55k on the clock. It's first gen facelift version, do you have any idea about the reliability of the car? What I heard from others is that first gen Cayenne air suspension won't last long and sensors from the car always give problems . I will be appreciate for your advice.
at 3.19. This is exactly why i wouldn't dare to drive a drop top in M'sia for fear of getting mugged :/
Wunderbar keep up the good work. Shock them some more Toyota btw is the world's most valued brand
these are not usual cars
if it is over 150k $ expect it to has expensive service costs
moral of the story
if you have money buy one if dont buy a toyota corolla and be glad you have it
try spending 150k$ on a range rover, see how much problem u will get
That’s not true at all. My friend has a 140k ZR1 corvette and the maintenance and repairs are no more expensive than the maintenance and repairs on my 50k silverado truck.
Thanks a lot sir... This is untold history...
Very informative, thank you!
Actually SUVs saved Porsche not boxster/cayman sales (which have always been really low)
What Porsche is that and do U think my boxster will be expensive to maintain
Hello bobby ang , im rooting to this porsche and mainly 911 gt3 now but important question is this car jerky in d low speed even in comfort mode like many sports car and how the suspension goes for uneven KL road experience ?
As cars becoming more complex, reliability will suffer. Lexus and Acura are seeing this issues on their newer models.
The pursue of faster performance, and better fuel efficiency are making modern vehicles less reliable, and more expensive to maintain.
What do you think about the Macan?
Brilliant car. I will go for base Macan instead of Macan S or Macan Turbo. The Based Macan is a very good 2.0 turbo, the Macan S is an underwhelming 3.0 turbo and the Macan Turbo is a lousy big V6 turbo.
Actually, I'd have to totally disagree. My 2016 Macan S was in for its first service last month, purchased used with 13k miles, and I was given a 2018 2.0 for a loaner. And it was underpowered even in Sport Mode. The Macan S twin turbo is a beast with nearly 90 more HP, and a growl ! Plus, much faster and with far more torque. I was very glad to get back into my S Bobby. Thanks for the video, makes me feel better after they replaced my transfer case 30 days after getting the car. Hope that's all the bad news on this vehicle, but it drives like new ! And the car is very exciting to drive !
Bobby, can you review D segments like Camry Hybrid, Teana 2.5, and the same? Thanks.
Porsche is very successful financially because they make and sell cars that people want. Including the SUVs. They also have the cache of being an attainable luxury brand that allows them to charge ridiculous prices for options and service. Their profit margin is really high because of this. A moon roof shouldn't be three grand but that's what you'll pay. Mercedes does the same thing.
You must not have a used Porsche (3 to 5 years or older). The cost of ownership is insanely high!
How so??
not really.. still comparable with other german brands like bmw & audi
Hi bobby, how about the cayenne? Most 2nd hand unit is aroud 60k...is it worth it?
Well the car new is 600k and its 1/10 of its price, just remember if anything blows up its a 600k car.
Nice sharing !
Bro they should have hired some for bmw lol
BMW should be ashamed of selling cars, maybe they should try getting into fast food instead, I had one BMW never getting another one over a 2 month period everything was breaking down, and BMW loyalists kept telling me it just needs maintenance, maintenance! What maintenance? am I supposed to replace every part on the car on a regular basis?
porsches occasionally make supercar but it's not a supercar brand; porsches, along with other VWs, are notorious in reliability.
That is the look enthusiasm
Great video.
Yes,roll up the window like its gonna make it quieter.... the whole top is down!!!
nikasil blocks, ims, rms issues on m96 and m97 engines..
Just bought a 2019 macan GTS… I traded in my Q5 and you know what!?
$700 a month. I don’t care I deserve it.
But when they said it will cost 800 bucks per brake pad replacement, I died a bit on the inside.😅 anyways… I could have never been able to afford my dream car if I’m back home in Europe.
USA USA! “Im an alien, im a legal alien!
Don't change your brake pads with Porsche, these parts are everywhere, you can buy them yourself or go to third party workshops. Changing brake pads out of Porsche 4S won't affect your warranty.
I guess reliability does not take into account of the IMS bearing issue.
If your Porsche is 2009 or newer, it's not an "issue"
Look mom, I heard something on RUclips, now I gonna repeat it forever :) Yes, what's with the IMS bearing? Porsche fixed most cars, and generally, it was not an issue. 70% of all 911 ever produced are still on the road today, that is why they are reliable objectively. And because they don't constantly break down on you.
Porsche were always known for building cars to rival Ferarri for decades and were known for their reliability and have gone down in 24Hr Le Mans history as the best ever, so if these Toyota employees made Porsche better then all is good, if they made any difference that is. The Germans are very stubborn and like to evolve their cars. If Toyota had all the answers how come the new Supra is a rebadged BMW Z4??? (Even the interior is stock BMW Z4 lol)
all companies now vote against right to repair,make everything shitty ,its a trend of having high capital with 0 efforts
Overall Porsche does make the most reliable vehicles of all the European vehicle manufacturers.
Toyota/Lexus is the number ONE reliable vehicles in the world.
Porsche overall balances performance, handling, reliability, and luxury vehicle affordability in a extraordinary package.
Majority of vehicle buyers look at price, styling, and performance numbers. Vehicle history reliability is the key to purchasing any vehicle, who likes to keep going back and forth for maintenance on wasted time/money, better resale value, and the worst is being stranding on the highway at night.
Toyota is only reliable bcz they use same shit from 80's and never improved anything.
This didn't age well. Porsche the is UK's most unreliable brand.
I learned a lot. thanks
Consistently ranked #2 in reliability?? Something is being left out here...🤔
Least reliable car in the Uk. Google it
Nameplate VDS ranking isn't the same as dependability study. Lets get one thing straight.
Because most Porsche only run 5 k miles or 20 k miles
Hey look! Taman desa !
panamera and cayenne have serious problems even with the new models... so how is this possible? :(
Serious problems how?
The car you're driving sounds so boring it must be a 718.
Damn, I didn't know this
My brothers Porsche needed an engine rebuild after 60k miles. I don't call that reliable!
Dude, what went wrong?? Was it bearings?
can you explain?
utubecomment21 He probably didnt change his oil or spark plugs.
utubecomment21 Any high performance car has similar engine maintenance schedule!!
Yeah when people just put gas in car and don't spend dime in maintenance. What u expect
Good info
My 911s have been bullet proof.
Thumbs up
if porsche in under VW, why dont all VW brands build their cars like porsche?
+boy638 not all could. But actually almost all car companies now use some form of Kaizen or JIT system. But some factories have agreements with local government to support by providing job opportunity, so they have to design certain job functions to be manual in their factory to keep the machine/human ratio to one that's agreeable to local governments. You may have the same brand with not a single factory employing the same processes in manufacturing, but of course they have the same tolerances set forth.
Actually Porsche has a large holding of VW. Porsche more or less owns VW, not the other way around.
Porsche SE owns about 52% of VW. So its the other way around, its actually Porsche owns VW.
Lean, kaizen, JIT are imlemented to increase the efficiency of manufacturing process. Every factory has some form of these techniques implemented or they would go bankrupt.
The reliability of the car depends on the design of the components. Toyota was using 1970's technology and principles in their engines until recently. They would put old proven engines into all their cars versus german manufacturers using the latest technology to reduce emissions. What is more, german engines have more components for the same, ecological reasons.
As a result toyotas were less fuel efficient and more reliable until very recently, when they introduced new technological engines in their models.
If reliability would be manufacturer main priority they wouldn't have done no R&D since 70s, 80s or 90s because back then most manufacturers had reliable engines. Even bmw, mercedes and vag group had simple robust engines.
Why are porsches marked as reliable cars?
Main reason in my opinion is that they do not cover same distance as other manufacturer cars. According to ADAC, which does various comparisons and tests in germany, average porsche does 50,000km in 10 years and an average toyota/lexus does more than 100,000 km.
Another reason is that they actually are built properly. For example, gearboxes on a 911 if compared to a GTR are tens of times more reliable.
+Justas Mackevicius thank you so much for your insights! Wow! What you said is very true!
Mid 90's Toyota build DOHC engines with variable valve timing and turbos, in 2000 they made cars with direct injection and in 2006 hybrids with direct injection. What kind of 1970's technology are you referring to? If anything they're 10 years ahead of germans. As for fuel efficiency it's not that Toyota engines are less efficient- it's just Toyta doesn't lie about it's cars fuel consumtion.
Your reliability list has Buick above Toyota lol
y it depreciates so much?
@Lol Haha haha
Most of the Porsche are not driven as a daily commute vehicles or being used as somewhat frequently driven vehicles. That is why Porsche reliability is so erroneously and dis-proportionally rank that high. If Porsche is driven like daily commute vehicles, its reliability probably ranks the same level as Land Rover and Jeep. And the cost of fixing Porsche and maintaining Porsche also put a damper to the Porsche owners to drive them hard or frequently. For the naysayers to what I just said, Porsche shares most of its platforms with Audi. Part bins are mostly the same as other VW product lines. Quality control probably the same. So, their reliability when use normally, will be the same.
Buy a first gen cayenne if you think Porsche has good reliability... I love the cars but they have the worst reliability. Engine, gearboxes, driveline and electrics fail on these. In 80s and early 90s Porsche had very good reliability
Cos that was built together with the famous VAG group lol
@@BobbyAngmalaysia Yeah i know.. but the engines are pretty bad too. Cylinder scoring and other stuff. And they are buildt by porsche. Same with 996, engines are not dependable. Too bad, they are nice cars
I'd rather stick needles in my eyes than drive a toyota.
nonsense - 911 depreciates horrendously from new, has rear engine which is horrible and practically impossible to work on in fact the engine has to be removed for many common engine repairs and has the poorly engineered IMS bearing prone to killing the whole engine - Porsche made the Tiger tank in ww2 which was another reason the Germans lost WW2
My 1971 Porsche 914 was by far the most unreliable car I've ever owned. I bought it new as a college graduation gift to myself and, in spite of its excellent handling characteristics (under normal driving conditions), it had far to many problems.
Because that's a Veedub lol
Sounds like Bull shit to me.. Porsche is the king and there is no substitute for it.. Toyota?? Are you fucking kidding me??
No la ! Apparently you are a Porsche enthusiasts. However opinions coming out from Singapore, not one of the state with driver friendly environment, nor a hot-bed for car manufacturers, high quality of Porsches purely based on association with Japanese manufacturing methodology is very misleading. There is a lot of engineering, R&D, a team of worldwide racing following in putting Porsches on the map.
Dude if Porsche would hired anyone from Toyota then Porsche would would end up like Toyota and start making boring cars Corolla Corolla camary or Siena. Smfh. Looks u watching too many movies lately