What If Sonic Was Released in Smash Today as DLC? Reimagining Sonic (Super Smash Bros. Ultimate)
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I've been getting a lot of people comment on how I chose the light speed dash over the boost so I believe this warrants clarification. I actually did contemplate having the boost as a side special over the light speed dash and have it work similar to Banjos side special but I opted not to. This is because, with the way I felt it would work, it would be extremely finicky or unbalanced.
Unlike banjo, and similar to the light speed dash, sonic uses his boost to aid his movement therefore we can't have him come to a complete stop like banjo does. If we make it a gauge, one where you can use as much or little amount of boost with a single tap granted you have enough in your boost gauge like how it functions in his games, players could really abuse this. Banjo can only use his side special a set amount of times and Sonic can use his as many times as his gauge allows. If we make it function as a sort of combo tool where it launches the opponent up slightly, and allows sonic to jump and follow up with an aerial, that would give him way too much power. The boost is also instantaneous so it could be a silly combo breaker. It would come out extremely fast and move sonic away from danger extremely fast. It would also be an extremely good escape option for the same reasons.
With how I set up the light speed dash it works like fox's so it wouldn't be a combo breaker but the boost can't be given this delay as to keep it more accurate to his games (Air boost is a key feature of the boost). The light speed dash can have a little bit of start-up and stay true to its form but the boost can't otherwise it would feel delayed and finicky.
The boost is a fun mechanic to think about but I just don't feel like it translates well into a smash game.
Also, I love Metal Sonic more than most people but I don't feel he is as relevant as Tails, Knuckles, Eggman or Shadow, unfortunately.
Edit: just some minor grammar mistakes and added the last Metal Sonic sentence
DrUpauli I think light speed dash should be like quick attack and the fastest thing he can do out of it is a dash. Nair should be like 2 frames of invincibility on startup but have a bit of a disjoint.
Honestly it's not a matter of how broken it is, I think it comes down to more of representation. I think boost should be his side special because it pretty much represents an entire era of Sonic gameplay. It should definitely be included over light speed dash. Now the way is implemented would obviously not be totally canonically accurate, which is fine. Many moves are like that in smash. You could argue that if his homing attack was canonically accurate, it would be extremely broken as all you would need to do is mash neutral b while Sonic homes constantly onto the same opponent. I think that making it similar to Banjo's side b is a great idea, with some obvious balances. Boost would come out quicker than wondering and would definitely be faster, but it would have the setback of having much more ending lag once the animation is over. In addition, Sonic would completely stop in his tracks if the opponent shields it, leading to an extremely easy punish. Also, I think it would be interesting if it worked like a multi hit that carries the opponent with Sonic all throughout the animation until the finishing hitbox, which would have a relatively weak launching power that doesn't increase too much so that the move doesn't lead to too many cheesy plays. It would have a meter next to Sonic's icon that indicates how many times he can use it, with a maximum of five, but will recharge with time or by landing attacks. Finally, it would obviously not have Banjo's ridiculous invincibility and the move would do a total of around 19%-21%. I don't think there's too many ways this can be exploited by players, but I still don't think that a move should be decided by its importance and not how it would work in battle
Anyways, this was a great video. You made valid claims and the whole concept is exciting to think about. I'm looking forward to your upcoming content
David R. I think balance is important in this game
They could just make the boost work like the light speed dash you showed in the video, while make it move a little further. Just add some boost effects and it's perfect.
I feel like blaze should be in smash bros
Imagine if you just stood there and do nothing for a whole minute of a match, Sonic just dips off the screen and loses a stock.😂😂😂
Admittedly funny but also very stupid
_I'm outter here !_
I mean, it would prevent camping in some odd manner...
@@BananaSlayer_ no.These would require standing for 3 minutes.
It'd be 3 minutes to make Sonic do that
They should make a feature where, after landing a Neutral B, pressing the taunt button does a quick Mid-Air taunt move. Style points
Kinda like the one in the cover art of Sonic Adventure and also its used on Sonic Generation while doing taunts in air so Yeah I 100% Agree with this and also when he does this it creates a damage kinda like Greninja's Down Taunt but more on knockback than damage
@Gavinman5000 *SMASH CRUSADE*
I'm thinking about adding the boost attack to Sonic's moveset when Sonic runs fast, the boost gives the opponents so much damage. Like I saw the boost in Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Generations, and Sonic Forces
Dude the adventure pose will be perfect
His left and right B Would be a boost but you would need to hit the other player charge it
There is one thing that makes me a little upset, why does Dr. Mario get to have 100 different pills in his victory screens and Sonic is always grabbing the same blue damn Chaos Emerald
Like srsly Nintendo you do realize that there is more than one chaos emerald right
(Also the did this with Sonic’s final smash yet not his victory screen because reasons?)
@@mastrsonic375 Because they didn't need to?
Plus, his final smash was changed due to universal changes to transformation final smashes.
@@duragdee2760 thats not what he meant
he meant that you see all 7 chaos emeralds in sonics final smash animation but the victory animation is always the blue one
@@duragdee2760 so what?They completely changed the core of super sonic by that.Why he isn't the only transformation one?Is shakuria that oblivious and fuck head when it comes to the sonic series?There is 7 emeralds and he chaos the same god Damon blue one for 4 GAMES.
Guess Sakurai never played enough Sonic to collect a single damn Ring to put in Sonic’s Victory Screen or give him Sonic Drive from Sonic Battle. Or you can say, Ultimate was probably rushed and Sonic was an afterthought.
I’m so goddamn surprised why there’s absolutely no rings in his moveset, taunts, or even stage entrance.
It'd be a nice touch if whenever Sonic is at a high enough damage to be KO'd he drops rings when he's smashed
@@thetoot9615 That would actually be satisfying and pretty cool
Imagine him throwing a ring that deals 4% on himself when using side-b, and then he can use side-b again to dash on the direction of the ring, if he grabs the ring, he regains the 4% back.
The move could be a trap move and a combo move.
Imagine if... Every time he gets smashed, it's raining rings on the screen
Ideas
Rings can be a toggled feature for custom balance
This helps other bad players aim
The rings can be collected in some moves for detail on sonic stages
Up B bounces you to rings ,finishing with a red ring
Neutral b makes him pass through a ring
"Sonic is probably the most poorly represented fighter in Smash Ultimate"
Ganon : *clears throat*
Debatable. Although in the context of this video I was talking more about the Sonic franchise being poorly represented
Meh.
Donkey Kong , Bowser , Luigi , Bayonetta and most Fire Emblem characters: are we a joke to you ?
Colman Legrand The reason why Ganondorf is a clone of Captain Falcon is because Sakurai’s father died during the development of Melee and his father’s last wish was for Sakurai to put a character that is similar to his favorite smash 64 character. His favorite smash 64 character was Captain Falcon.
Colman Legrand the way Ganondorf was portrayed in Melee was inspired by Sakurai’s father. Sakurai saw his father as a powerful figure or a kind. He lives and feared his father. That’s why Ganondorf is a clone.
Here is your answer: His move set would have been more unique than just some "ball" animations
Use his moveset from Sonic Battle and bam, you got an awesome moveset
I mean a lot of his moves involve him being a ball
@@mistercolgate8258 They could have used some of the moves from Sonic Battle
@@mistercolgate8258 Besides Sonic Battle, the Sonic Advance series is good for giving him and his friends things beyond their Genesis roots in 2D.
Advance 3 even has different skills for Sonic depending on who he teams up with. Besides that, Heroes gave him a tornado attack and there are tons of tricks in the Storybook games.
If you want to get imaginative, you can actually take his skating segments and make that a move even. Slap City did it.
@@BIastProcX They did
BlastProcX i don’t even think Sakurai even knows what that is, while sonic the fighters is literally a google search away
Considering how bad Sonic’s alternative colours are, this might be partially Sega’s fault. While he does have quite a few assist trophies, it does feel a bit like a slightly better version of Cloud’s situation.
How it is sega's fault?SEGA gave sonic alot of accessories like soap shoes,light speed shoes add ons,time watch to reduce light speed dash and many more.It is shakuria's fault for not implementing them
Ahmad Kazan what I’m saying is that SEGA might not be allowing him to add those things to smash. Just because sonic has a lot of options doesn’t mean the smash developers actually have access to them due to legal stuff.
@@AverageEggmonEnthusiast due to legal stuff?Sonic is refferenced in every possible way in any shape of media,wah legal issues?
Tala B Sega allows for bayonetta and joker to be represented well, I don’t see why they would be like “hey you can use our most popular character and his most iconic moves, but don’t even think of touching his other abilities.” Seems more like a problem with time constraints to me.
@@HabitsRabbits True.And time constrains aren't an execuse anymore.
I really believe sonic battle is a very obscure game. It has arguably the best characterisation and story of any sonic game. Granted, the game has many problems that really keep it back ( The extreme difficulty spikes and emerl being extremely weak and the 10 life battles), but for a game that came out on the game boy advanced it was pretty good.
At least sonic battle actually fits sonic
If you get a perfect you get 5 points i already have 400 from only grinding for 3 hours
I've always agreed on the point that sonic felt like he had less care than some of the other characters. One idea that could work for a second stage is the Egg Carrier. It could rise and fall into the ocean, and pass by angel island or something.
Level transitions are a staple of sonic so that could be really epic!
Mega man: Clears throat
Imagine if City Escapes was a stage, and the G.U.N Truck as a hazard
That would of been badass. But how would you go about defeating it?
AutZentus it’s probably come and go off the screen. Like the robot in the Xenoblade Chronicles stage, or King Bulbin in the Bridge of Eldin.
I’d rather Casino Night since it has the slot machines and a nighttime setting. Plus we always get Casino Night Clones or Stages similar to it in the Sonic series making it a popular concept in the Sonic Series.
Apotos
Planet Wisp
Sunset Heights
@@D00DM00DOhhh dude Windmill Isle 😭
Masahiro Sakurai really needs to hear this put some respect on my boy Sonic’s name 💯
Even Alpharad loves Sonic just not in Smash because he’s that bad
@@mastrsonic375 true.
I personally think Tails is better,
Not in gameplay though,
In gameplay it's Sonic all the way!
Twistedbear yes I agree, tailsis a great character.
@@EEE.654 sorry but how you can you think tails is better after what his character has been in the last 10 years? Genuinely curious
sonic's whole moveset in brawl: *S P I N D A S H*
Sonic also known as "Spindash the hedgehog"
"Trust me... this is MY OWN vision"
@@Sholver "what's his up smash?"
"Spindash, but it goes up👆"
"Spindash?"
"Yes"
"And it goes up?"
"Trust me this is my v i s i o n"
@@skyver9967 "We'll make it spindash.... 2"
@@Sholver "Spindash, too ?"
“City escape is too old”
Proceeds to choose an older stage
Casino Night actually represents Sonic better. That’s the difference
You clearly missed the whole joke I was making
9 years older to be exact
We’ve gotten so many stages similar to Casino Night making it an iconic concept in the series and worthy of a stage in Smash. I just wanna knock my opponents into the Bumpers and Slot Machines.
@@nickname2239 Terminal Velocity is actually a good choice to be honest. I still think it would be an unexpected choice for a stage, but I also think that's why I like it. It's unpredictable. Because if anything A predictable choice for a modern Sonic stages (Ew I said Modern Sonic instead of just Sonic lol), it would be probably be Rooftop Run or Eggmanland. And why I say Eggmanland for the second choice is because Eggmanland was something Eggman wanted even before we got to this era and seeing Eggman finally get that should have been more iconic than it actually was. Not to mention it would cause more of the "I like this stage and music" saying from people becoming exposd to it while those familiar like us and myself would be like "PTSD" or something along those lines lol. But Terminal Velocity would also be a personal pick of mine as there has not been a final Sonic stages from tis current era of Sonic that has topped that stage in my opinion. You just can't beat that music.
Sonic suffers from Gannon syndrome
They were both thrown in last second to satisfy fans and since sakurai doesn't like overhauling movesets he doesn't change their moves other than 1 or 2 every game.
Just wait 2 more Smash titles and Sonic will finally have a real Side Special and Forward Air. :'D
He has a reason on why he's so static, you do not know how many Dedede mains got mad with the changes made to in the Smash 4
😨😠Oh, Fuck!!😢😟
That Is WAY Too Accurate!!
@@TechBlade9000 🤨what?
@@setsers1 You know how Dedede had a few moves changed in Smash 4 (not most but some)
Yeah people got absolutely pissed about it, so imagine how much worse it'd be if it was most of the moves
I really am surprised that Sonic is still the way he is. He's been in the series for over a decade, and he still feels like he was added a week before the game launched
GIVE HIM BETTER SKINS
1.Super Sonic skin
2.SOAP shoes
3.Sonic Boom(redesigned but without sports tape) skin
4.Werehog skin
5.Darkspine skin
6.Knuckles skin
7.Shadow skin
I dunno. Maybe some Project M costumes. Maybe that racing sonic would work.
Or Jet Set.
@@kovidarthehedgehog4066 dude a werehog skin would be badass
@@user-rb1fn3yl8o Well,I was thinking the same thing.
How to fix Sonic: allow sonic to use taunts in the air, similar to how Wario has a bike taunt sonic should get air taunts just to be spicy
Like doing his adventure poses?
Oh that would be freaking awesome!
Yurii YT ok that would be very epic
*IMMEDIATELY* add that to Dante, if he ever gets in!
A trick system like in Colors would be incredible
Sonic's stage entrance is very dull, he is just bouncing into the stage and that's it, I would handle it like this:
A giant ring will appear out of nowhere, and Sonic will jump out of it, ready to fight.
This little change can make his appearance in Smash a lot more representative
Wow that's actually a brilliant idea! I don't think we're gonna get any better than for his entrance 🙂
Or we see him blitzing through the whole and posing similair to his victory pose when he says let’s that that again sometime
Yes!!
We could always have some sort of "speed mirage".
Heck, imagine if characters started getting three different entrance animations, much like them having three different taunt and victory animations...
I always pictured him coming from an elevator a la Sonic Mania, but this works better, I think.
I love Sonic, he's such a personal character to me and I just can't bring myself to main him. He always feel wrong. He just feels like a placeholder for another character. I loved seeing Project M Sonic because it showed the swagger in Sonic, the personality. I just hope Nintendo adds more flair to Sonic in the next game. That's all I really want
Me Too and Eggman
A: He would be broken a lot more.
B: his moves would be a lot different.
C:He would break the internet just like in brawl who was supposed to be the first third party character.
I feel like that new moveset would actually be a lot easier to balance than his current overcentralized one.
He would have power in multiple parts of his kit, and therefore has room for many potential nerfs or buffs depending on how broken/bad he ended up being.
@_ D0ct0r _ why are you telling a sensible guy to shut up
@@Saskaruto16 i think i will make him a faster and stronger shiek at the cost of wieght.
If we ever did get Eggman in Smash, I think they could have him fight much like Bowser Jr, inside a modified version of the Egg Mobile, with attacks referencing all of his different inventions over the years.
He could use the egg mobile mech variant from adventure 2.
Eggman is better.
His side special could be a reference to the first boss fight from sonic 2, and his down smash could use the glowing balls from the green hill boss in sonic 1
Yurii YT or the mech from sonic the fighters
Or he could be a boss fight
Project M does Sonic’s moveset justice
For real
Tycoo8 facts
He is broken but in a good way.
Doesn't he crash the game?
Opafin I never played project m for smash bros I couldn’t tell you if it crash with this moveset all I know is this moveset is cold
*Sonic sold his soul and emotion to be in smash bros*
He sold his soul for him to appear in smash 4 and ultimate just to stay consistently in the games 😔
This comment made me spit out my water lmaoo
He sold his would to get up the tier lists.
@@ahmadkazan7994 and people still put him in mid-tiers
Nah
Sonic is just a chill dude in Smash Bros
One word: the wave shot from Sonic Battle. Give Sonic a projectile that he actually had in that game. Yes, this might sound broken, but make it short and sweet like Terry's own projectile and you got yourself a sick move there, fella. #JusticeForSonic
Sorry to be that guy 10 months later but thats not one word.
@@MilhSpears Well, it was only 9 months so I guess you're off the hook.
@@DefinitelyReagan what do you mean? Is 2021 already.
@@MilhSpears Pretty sure it’s still 2020 my good man. 😛
But it's a ball! I don't add more balls to the moveset!
Sonic as he is now feels like a bored teen in a student film just waiting for the director to give him his next line. He feels like he's just acting out the most face-value traits of Sonic, going through the motions (which feels even more true when you see his noodly limp-arm, low effort fighting style.)
He needs to be more quippy, more sassy, more SONIC.
AxoLofa he feel like Sonic movie Sonic
(Whatever the first one was)
(reply because I don't want to remove heart, thx btw) I think playing Sonic should feel like I'm playing as a bullet, or as a lightning bolt, or a race car, not like jello that fell off of my spoon. Sure, they're both fast and hard to catch, but one is clearly a lot cooler than the other.
(I'm not even a Sonic fan, why do I have this much to say about him in smash?)
Yeah.Sonic is just bland in smash.Like give him an aireal taunt after homing attack and reduce it's lagging.Give him a light speed dash instead of the one hit spindash which is basically falco's but goes twice the distance and has no lag.Make his forward air an axe kick from battle.Make his down smash a breakdance kick.Why does mario get a redesigned move to look like a break dance move?
Sonic is just kinda there out of obligation but not given the same love and attention other 3rd Parties got. And he’s still by himself, no echoes or a 2nd rep.
I really dont like the smile they added to his Ultimate model. In brawl, his facial features were better. He’s always smiling when attacking whereas he would change emotions during different movements.
POV: Sonic is about to send you to minecraft
🙂👊
The smile was a smash 4 thing and yeah I agree, he’s somehow less expressive than when sonic wasn’t smiling in brawl
3:51 Sonic consumes Rouge and takes her powers!
Missed an opportunity to make a Corona Virus joke.
It’s sad seeing what sonic could’ve been. We seriously need more characters, stages, music- just pretty much anything at this point. One thing I’ve always been dreaming about is them updating the movesets in the same game- but I know that’s never gonna happen. Great job on this!
"Sonic's up tilt is just Captain Falcon's up smash"
"Sonic's side B should be just like Fox's"
But he didn't say it should be just like Fox's. He already explained how Light Speed Dash works. Did you finish the video?
Also, a fast dash like side B fits sonic more than any captain falcon up smash.
@@scribbleneb7059 That doesn't automagically fix anything. It's a crap "joke". All he did was misrepresent information.
@@lugbzurg8987" It would be like an instant version of fox's side b"
No did you finish the video.
Sonic doesn't have to have related moves to anyone. Lot of these characters don't.
Honestly Egg Man is the best option for these reasons:
1. He is another villan which smash is heavily lacking
2. He can represent the entire sonic boss fights or refrence them
3. Has heavy moveset and playstyle potential
4. The glorious taunts and winning antimation potential
5. THE FUCKING MEMES
6. He has interesting presonality
Guy named Rick PINGAS
LEL
And his final smash is eggman pissing on the moon
*did you just say smash is lacking villans?*
Guy named Rick smash isn’t lacking villains we have four villains from the Mario series and two from the Kirby series as well as many more including two from the Metroid series.
“Sonic is fast”
DrUpauli
13:22 ok cybershell
I KNEW I HEARD THAT BEFORE!!
I knew I watched this video before
I still don't understand why Sonic still has two spindash moves after all this time. The ideas you presented here would make Sonic true to his character and a more fun and cool looking character overall.
Do u main Sonic ??? I mean do u know the differences between sideB and downB ?
@@spryzor4799 they are different but essentially serve the same purpose
Wait what's the difference cuz idk
@@IAm-zo1bo Side B has a hop when not fully charged and hit's once. Down B has a multi function and can move slightly farther in the air.
@@smashbronikko They're the same move.....
This video looks like hard work and effort was put into it.
Nice job, man!
Oh gosh Do i love this sonic ova music😍
SAME
Nintendo should just make “reimagined” fighters or something. Basically the opposite of Echo fighters. It would be Link, Sonic, Or Ganon un totally different ways. Interesting stuff. Just keep updating Ultimate. We won’t need a new game.
After the second past is done I don't think it will get anymore updates
@@AutZentus Until Smash bros Ultimate 'Ultimate' Edition with all the DLC
And instead of buffing or nerf if characters why not change them
I would definitely like to see some mechanical overhauls that I don't think they could do in this game. There are a lot of major issues with ult.
I would keep a lot of the models though, they look great.
But yeah rework the some moves and some characters entirely. If they have to keep some of the old legacy characters they could, but a lot of then are really badly designed and should just be tossed out for better designs IMO.
Like if they reworked little mac into a well designed character, we really wouldn't want or need old little mac in the game anymore.
Classic Melee esque Ganon is fun and all, but let's be real he is just Falcon. Make Falcon better again and make Ganon his own thing.
Maybe add blood Falcon or something as an echo if we have to have a slower harder hitting Falcon, which I really don't think we do.
@@Saskaruto16 Black Shadow **clears throat**
Seriously, it makes way more sense than Blood Falcon.
If I could choose a sonic rep for smash DLC it would be Eggman, dear old eggo boy would be bowser Jr but good
JJack I want tails
@@dairyperez1683 i want shadow
All the main Sonic characters are Spirits, so they aren't planned to be playable. Smash isn't a Sonic-focused fighting game.
@@jamesv337 cool, not the point
@@dairyperez1683 cant have him in Ultimate
This is really well made reinterpretation of Smash Bros. Sonic, I would agree Sonic deserves better in Smash, especially a different looking Side and Down Special. So nice job,
A few more things to say, hope this doesn’t come off as rude by the way
1. The original Side Special is obviously just the Spin Dash, the way charges up looks like how it does in the Classic games with the oval shape, but yeah I do think the Side Special should be the Light Speed Dash (but I imagine it looking like PAC-MAN Side Special, but with rings and obviously being much faster) but it could also be the Boost (which could kind of look like Fox’s Side Special.) Those two moves really scream Side Special to me, and if Sonic still has to slightly rip off a move animation from an another character it should be those two moves, since it’s the best way I can think of how they’d look like in Smash. As for Down Special, it could combine the functionalities of the Spin Dash (hold) and the Spin Charge (tap-repeatedly for multi hit) or just one or other.
2. The Mech Eggman uses in Sonic the Fighters could be what he uses in Smash as a playable character, but I’d personally go with the classic Egg-Mobile suped up with the various mechanics from the Classic Games, kind of like Bowser Jr.
3. I think Chemical Plant could be a fine enough choice for a new stage, even if it’s over-represented in Sonic, it’s still iconic enough of a choice, but Casino Night Zone or the Eggman Stage are still really good picks, and it would be fine if those stages were picked over it. Either way, we should at the very least have a Chemical Plant Remix in the soundtrack.
Imagine a stage based off generations. You fight in green hill, and then BOOM! You’re in sky temple! It would either randomly or chronologically cycle through each stage from that game, meaning that most recognizable games get represented
He would probably be as hyped up as he was in brawl. But people would probably complain because now the community is spoiled with all these new characters getting added in. The community wasn't spoiled yet when brawl came out.
We need another Sonic representative in Smash.
I would say tails shadow or eggman (maybe silver?) Tails has probably the most likely reason to be in smash he was introduced in sonic 2 and is overall sonic's best friend i actually thought in smash 4 he would be in as either DLC or just in game shadow is probably gonna be like an echo fighter I would like to see a unique moveset for him but who knows eggman can have a machine like in the video and operate like bowser junior and if silver was in he would probably be like every other magic users strong throws jumps high side tilt could be like his shock attack in sonic 06 etc
Probably in Smash 6
All the main Sonic characters have Assist Trophies, Mii costumes and Spirits representing them.
@@jamesv337 not all
@@mannycampos6885 Any character not a Spirit is only a "main" character to the most diehard Sonic fan. If you're talking about the Sonic Mania characters, that game likely came out too late.
I'd say since Ultimate's dlcs all have a special gimmick, They'd give sonic a automatic stronger impact run thats used as a boost. Maybe it takes away from a gauge that you have to earn back overtime or get it from doing damage to your opponent?
If sonic was to actually be a Dlc character, I bet he'd have some sort of gimmick where he becomes super sonic for a few seconds lol
Or some gimmick where he drops rings and you have to pick them up again so you dont take extra damage
Because thats what we need, fucking resource management
In a *fighting game*
(i hate steve)
@@yourehereforthatarentyou what do you think about robin tho? Lmao 🤣
@@angaso02 also not fun but not as bad as steve
steve is honestly probably THE worst smash character to me
@@yourehereforthatarentyou oh damn, I love Steve lmao, I got him into elite smash, if ur having to many problems with him, try using more u-smash and d-smash, they don't use any resources.
@@angaso02 needing to have to force myself to use 10% of the characters moveset in order to have fun with him is part of the problem tbh
Let's be honest, sonic needs a moveset rework Urgently
I'd honestly love if they came out with a patch that completely changed Sonic's moves like how they are here. 0% it'll ever happen, but people wouldn't be trying to reinvent Sonic's moveset if it wasn't representing him properly
However, I don't think in Nintendo they do reworks, especially for a game like Smash
@@jonasisteu yeah max we can hope is a sonic rep for dlc, we already got minmin that was a spirit as a character so is not impossible but i still feel like the chances are tiny.
I think that station square would make the best stage. It would start off normal and then after a while perfect chaos would appear and destroy the city which would add tons of new hazards onto the level.
I wish he did tricks after homing attacks, that would be so dang cool
The outro caught me off guard 🔥
Good choice man!!
While tails would be the most obvious choice on who should be added, I still think Eggman has the most interesting moveset potential considering how many mechs the guy has
I ain’t saying make him on his death egg robot but take from every Eggman boss battle in the series history and apply it into one fighter while his egg mobile is the base
He deserves to be in the game the same way Bowser and Ganondorf are
Nah see I agree. Tails would be the only character that'd I'd add first. Actually itd be a tie between tails and metal sonic. Metal sonic is a great way of adding a new villain and has been there since the second game. Tails is the side kick and has made his way Into EVERY sonic game somehow in cameo or playable. Eggman is a boss. A big boss. Dont shove him into a small egg mech when hes supposed to be 2times as tall as sonic. Ontop of that hed be better represented as a boss in adventure mode anyways. A big effect swinging at you and you got to wear him down. Adding shadow is like adding wario before luigi and knuckles is great but TBf hes still not as iconic as tails. (And knuckles is my second favorite sonic character). Bow what they could have done was add ray or mighty since mania did so well. I could respect that. But other than that only tails.
@@plastickkerorolm4889 Technically, he's been around since the *third* major entry. Further than third if you start counting a few other releases... Maybe you're thinking of Silver Sonic. But yeah, while I could possibly see Metal Sonic and Shadow both turnout out as Sonic echo fighters (much like Falco and Wolf for Fox), they have enough uniqueness in their history to stand out on their own. Metal Sonic has his plasma ball blasts, afterburners, diamond barrier, and maybe you could even thrown in some of his Metal Madness/Overlord abilities. Plus, that twirly move we see Sonic doing as an aerial attack honestly fits Metal Sonic better. Shadow... yeah. He's got guns and chaos powers. I could likely see him retaining The Homing Attack and Spindash, but that should be the extent of his notable similarities to Sonic's moveset. He'd be less of an echo fighter, and more of a "Luigi" to Sonic's "Mario".
@@lugbzurg8987 ehh like I said it be like adding wario before luigi if you add shadow. Now I think itd be cool to have a metal sonic with jet propulsion moves. And then his final smash would have an eggman cameo. Like eggman says, "I'll take it from here metal" then a laser came out of an egg mech. But dont make eggman fight
Ubsessedw/smash Umm also Tails has a lot of moveset potential too. you can pull so much from Brawl and Adventure 2
@@carlbloke8797 Tails didn't do anything in Brawl, other than zip through a loop-de-loop.
Sonic has been my favorite character for years, ever since my parents got me that educational version of sonic the hedgehog when i was 3 and all the way until now
I actually really appreciated this video, I am a big sonic fan so it was nice to hear another persons perspective and point of view towards this character in smash
Spin charge is a reference to crouching and spamming b to do a spin dash in the older sonic games, and Spindash I believe is specifically a reference to the adventure games where all you have to do is hold the button to charge a spindash
actual title: "What if Sonic had a better moveset?"
Retrocity what if Sonic had a moveset
"What if Sakurai actually gave a damn about sonic in smash?"
Well, characters released in the latest smash games have better move sets that represent their characters than the earlier ones, so the title isn’t inaccurate.
I agree with many of the points in this video. It's a shame that Sonic feels so...thoughtless compared to other characters. It's like they didn't actually want him in so they just half assed it with some moves. I don't feel they'll update him though, sadly. I feel he has that weird Ganondorf curse where they can't / won't change too much about him.
Also Idea for a character: Metal Sonic as an echo of Sonic, but one of his moves is replaced with Zelda's reflector shield to represent his weird shield move from SA2's multiplayer.
Metal Sonic is a Spirit.
Awesome video and really great ideas.
Great video man
They should put a challenger pack of five sonic characters considering that his anniversary is coming up
lmfao your funny
Hey if fire emblem can why can’t they
*No* just no. As someone who wants Tails in the game like no other. This sounds incredibly stupid and unnecessary. Especially considering the fact how niche it would be.
😂Lol I don't even know why I took it so seriously. Was probably a joke again but whatever.
Knee slapper
I hope this is a joke
I love DemX's concepts for Sonic Moveset Overhaul, and when you brought up the Homing Attack jot having Sonic's iconic flare it hit me why the Homing Attack didn't feel right at times. Sonic is a flashy character and does deserve a fitting flashy moveset.
Sonic’s Side special always reminded me of silver sonic when he spin dashes back and forth in sonic 2
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He lost his facial expressions though
Yeah I was always excited to see my boy Sonic in Smash but his moveset just no longer feels represenatitive of him after 3 games in a row of really similar things. I wish Sonic got the same love as Mega Man, Joker, Terry, Banjo Kazooie, etc, did in the DLC.
I love sonic in smash bros he’s my favorite character , Sonic is a smash brothers staple in the franchise I totally agree with you Masahiro Sakurai Should use sonics moveset that was in sonic battle keeping sonic up b, I also agree with you with with sonic having the light speed dash because it is sonic signature move in the games similar to Fox Mcloud side B . Also We need more sonic characters
really great video, need more people talking about stuff like this
For the side b i have no idea why people are asking for the boost because its just wayyyyy too fast. Just give him pac mans side b but he throws rings instead. It works exactly like the light speed dash
Also Fox and Falco already have Illusion and Phantasm (their side Bs)
Or that one ring toss move in Sonic battle
Bro wonder wing exists
@@El_Mince yea and? It starts the same frame as spindash
@@m20diamond and it’s fast
All that matters is that you decided to keep thigh claps as a move.
Solid vid!!
Lmao cant remove thigh claps
If casino night becomes a stage, we NEED the Sonic generations 3ds modern remix. The WHOLE 4 MINUTE remix!
It's not going to, obviously.
This is perfect !!!! I don´t play many sonic games , but i love the character and this represents sonic really well.
Hearing that Look Alike song in the ending is sending me all the nostalgia. Nice choice.
Great ideas! I have to say that sonics needs a move where he uses the rings somehow. It is very important to his character. maybe before he does the homing attack he throws a ring first and then flies towards it. Or better, maybe holding the ring gives him a type of advantage until he gets hit somehow and then loses it. For example, Link can shoot slashes out of his sword until he gets hit. Maybe they could create a similar ideas for Sonic. The possibilities are endless. But yeah not using the rings at all seems like a crime if I'm being honest.
He should have rings fly out when he gets hit for the first time in each stock. I genuinely assumed they would do that when Brawl was coming out
@@Ryda124 for real!! or maybe the more rings he collects from hitting his opponent, he'll get a tiny boost to his movement speed. Honestly they could have fun designing his character but clearly they didn't care
Sonic would gain rings sometimes when he hits someone.
The rings will make Sonic take less damage and knockback (since Sonic needs rings to live in the games) but he'll lose a few of them till he runs out
Sharen: Best Cat Ever that sounds dope as hell!
I was thinking for a specific stage that gets a lot of relevance in modern games, Seaside Hill would be perfect. I require Crush 40 remixes to survive.
I think his entrance should be that of 06, when he first made his appearance on screen, blue wind obscuring a side of the screen but when Sonic appears, he's tugging the end of both of his gloves to his wrist with a cocky grin, like the look on his face when he lands a parry. I want him to have that "This is dangerous, but that's what makes it fun" vibe.
I can really see Eggman just floating around in his ehgmobile like a big Bowser Jr. Also because the Green Hill wrecking ball would make a hilarious forward air.
Well done. I’m currently training with Sonic right now, and I admit, these changes would make for a very fun experience. But I do have a question...
What about my boy Silver?!
Oogly firstly.
In all seriousness, I do think this would improve Sonic's moveset greatly. I don't understand why he has two nearly identical spindashes, when they could have added something like the lightspeed dash.
Time constraints, mate.
@@duragdee2760 It wouldn't have been a quick thing to do, but even just changing out his side special for something like the light speed dash wouldn't take up too much development time. It could just be something like Fox/Falco's side special.
"Rivals of aether workshop Sonic"
My only problem with this is that as of me saying this there are _13_ different Sonics on the ROA workshop.
I've had this idea of Sonic having a ring gimmick where he starts every stock with a certain amount of rings, where having 100-51% of his rings give him some knockback resistance, while 50-0% gives him double knockback. Damage done to Sonic lowers ring count.
“Sonic is probably the most poorly represented fighter in Super Smash Bros.”
**cries in Cloud**
@Whooper Jr. At least people play Cloud
Mastr Sonic ohhhhh you poor soul, dont even know about the obnoxious online menace.
@@mastrsonic375 at least they got Cloud right with the moveset. Using Limit Breaks as specials was a good call. Just that SE is fucking stingy
The thing with Sonic lacking expression after Brawl may be from Sega wanting Nintendo to depict Sonic this certain way. They are the rights owners to the characters so they have a say in how he should be depicted.
So then why is face drawn in ultimate?
I love your ideas for these proposed changes. For me personally, I think the rings in his old games are what's missing and could definitely be added as a competitive balance mechanic for Sonic.
Something like:
- Sonic starts the match with 3 rings
- Sonic earns one ring every 12 seconds
- Holds a max of 6 rings
- If he is put into hitstun, he loses rings. He can't lose rings multiple times if it's a combo, he would just lose a greater amount of rings. There would also be about a 1f to 15f gap after hitstun that would prevent losing rings from untrue comboes.
- If he gets hit 0.1-4.9% total, he loses 1 ring
- If he gets hit 5-19.9% total, he loses 2 rings
- If he gets hit 20%+ total, he loses 3 rings
- Sonic's launch rate changes relative to how many rings he has. This is to balance his lightweight change from previous patches. It's also a rebalance in a way that opponents have to be aware of the knockback changes, which makes comboes more diverse and widens the range of what works and doesn't work on Sonic. This in turn would promote Sonic's keep away game, but also reward players who know the match-up and can punish him correctly.
- No rings is 1.15x launch rate
- 1 ring is 1.1x launch rate
- 2 rings is 1.05x launch rate
- 3 rings is 1.0x launch rate, base value
- 4 rings is 0.95x launch rate
- 5 rings is 0.9x launch rate
- 6 rings is 0.85x launch rate
Fun Fact: The first Casino zone was going to be Spring Yard Zone back when it was called Sparkling Zone, check out the recently dumped Sonic 1 beta for more info.
Oh my fuck.. didn’t see that Sonic OVA track coming at the end. I loved that song as a kid and still have the vhs in my closet. Love that movie
In my opinion, if there was one sonic rep that I had to pick, I’d love to see Knuckles. It would be really interesting how they would do his moveset. He could be a grappler similar to Incineroar but also be able to glide which could make for a really fun character. It’d also be great to see more stages such as pumpkin hill or red mountain from the adventure series
Imo his side special should be a boost similar to ssbc. He should also have a gimmick where if you do an up special and press taunt he could do tricks to fill his boost meter which is shown at the bottom of the screen. The higher the boost gauge, the faster and stronger the boost.
I think his fair references the flying animation in Sonic CD when he travels through time, but it looks weird as an attack in Smash.
That's an interesting idea, it seems plausible!
I think it's the emerald dive from sonic the fighters
@@TheOneWhoAsked777 haven’t played that game but since a lot Sonic’s moves come from that game it makes sense
I loves these changes, if I may interject with Eggman though
I feel like his mech from SA2 is such a shoein. You could even have compartments at the side that hide the arms from his Fighters Mech, or additional bits to hide various gadgets from other mechs he's had, like bits by the knees that use the spinning drills from the final boss mech in Sonic 1. I think making the mech an amalgam of his most iconic stuff would be dope as fuck
Could even have him slowly lower in to the legs for an intro, referencing his slow descent in GHZs boss fight. I feel using the Fighters mech as a base is a bit too similar to Bowser Jr at least imo
I kinda like that Idea. Using Eggmans Sa2 Mech as a base while incorporating his other machines as well. Like those Spike Arms from the Death Egg Robot, Having Metal Sonic as helper with Close Range attacks (that would be nice), As like a grab he can have a stun gun and then uses that boxing glove "OLE!" move from Sa2 which would be kinda funny and disrespectful at the same time. Any other ideas?
Dr: “no ones gonna watch till the end of the video”
Me:”I see no god up here...
BUT ME!”
I love the drawings you did!
That wasnt by me. That was demxhax on twitter. Check him out! twitter.com/demxhax/status/1104567020081815553?s=19
‘Green hill with a Mario Galaxy twist’
Windy Hill Zone: Am I a joke to you
Considering that windy hill IS green hill with a mario galaxy twist, yes it is a joke.
Yes
Yes because the concept is lazy
A cool idea my brother had for a side b for Sonic was boost. Sonic would have a boost meter over his stock icon that can only be filled by damaging opponents. He starts the battle with a full boost meter but if he looses a stock he'll have an empty boost meter on the next stock. You can tap the button and sonic will get a short burst of speed and invincibility to get out of a tough spot like the ledge. There is a weak hit at the start but your completely invincible like i said. This takes away 1/3 of your meter. If you hold the button, you can keep boosting. You can jump while in this state but you can't turn around and if you hit someone while boosting you'll send them flying. This gradually drains the meter so you can do this for about 8 seconds. You are not invincible during this but you have super armor, so strong attacks can interrupt you. Just like wonderwing, you can be grabbed and blocked.
8 full seconds is a bit long. Maybe 4 tops 3 if you want it to be fair.
@@hyperlink6547 You can't turn around though so if you kept it held out you would sd. I think 8 is fine. 6 at least. That way you can save meter for later.
@@whateveryouwantmetobe.1489 cout to 8 full missipis. then count to 5. you will that 8 is long because you can save the rest. you are never gonna want to use it for longer than 2 seconds, so 4 of a 2 second long, very powerful move, is a lot. with 3-4 seconds you get 2 tries with 2 second long attempts. far more fair. and even if you cant turn around, just being able to have that for so much is stupid. plus, you can refil it, so saving some for later, with 8 seconds worth you basicaly have it forever, and in order to make that not as op you would have to make it so that when you gain meter its basically miniscule unless you use a fully charged smash, with only charges half a second. being able to refil it makes it too powerfull. you know what happened with joker and arsene right? arsene is crazy good because you can get it multiple times, and it lasts for so long. boost would be similar but you can exist arsene at any time in order to save some meter for later.
@@hyperlink6547 Yah I guess so. The move is strong so it would need to be shorter. 3 to 4 just seems a bit strict tho. 5 works tho.
Very good idea, it won't be very hard to fill the boost meter because Sonic has a lot of rapid attacks
Sonics down b is a multi hit while his side b is a single hit
It just is a nice thing to have a mixup for his moves
I made it this far :) Loved the video, it was really good, I would love to see almost any sonic character make it in, as it is one of my favorite franchises
That was a good video. I would like a theorycrafting a moveset video you would like for Tails.
Ya gotta love that intro
I think his light speed dash should be like how it was in Sonic Battle, where he would have to throw the ring, and set it up first. It could be comboed into if you're in range of the ring and it's bouncing on stage.
It would be really cool if he got released today. Sakurai and his team have really been doing amazing things with the new characters. Good video!
Someone send this to Sakurai
This is a great video, subscribe!
I’m so glad Tails is in favor over Eggman. I know it’s not a possibility, but I actually got bored one day and made a moveset for Amy. Surprisingly I feel she would be a great character. A cross between peach and DeDeDe lol
LOL a cross between peach and dedede is the perfect way to describe it
@@robertking115 Agree!!!
#Amy4Smash
@@skeetermagee2487 I still stand by this lmao
I love your ideas
Brawlfan1 actually makes a good potential moveset for Dr. Eggman so you should check out his video of if Dr. Eggman was in smash
I watched it. Totally agree.
I have seen it many times. It's good.
This would be a great series if you do this for more characters! Instead of doing Ganondorf (let's face it, making him more "faithful" is low hanging fruit), how about Mario? People wanted him to have Cappy, and people think FLUDD is outdated. How would Mario fare if he were reimagined for later Smash games?
When making this video I had no intention on doing more characters lol. This literally never crossed my mind when making this video but seeing the success of this one I might as well
@@DrUpauli Yeah, a lot of people seem to think that much of the Smash 64 and Melee characters are rather outdated. You can read this thread and see that people want a few characters like Donkey Kong, Samus, and of course, Ganondorf to be reimagined.
smashboards.com/threads/do-the-64-and-melee-veterans-have-outdated-and-or-inaccurate-portrayals.458114/