Is Jon Jones Actually the GOAT of MMA? | Morning Kombat High Court
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- Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2024
- Luke Thomas, Brian Campbell and the honorable Chuck Mindenhall are back with the second episode of High Court. One question… Is Jon Jones Actually the GOAT of MMA?
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We need a monthly High Court - it's such a genius but ridiculous concept on actually interesting MMA topics. I love it.
💯 agree, would be a waste to only do this once or twice
PLEASE do more of shows like this. It’s absolutely entertaining. Early day listener of MMA beat and day one listener of MK here.
Yeah but tell Luke to talk less
This is Lame as fuck
Wow MMA beat…haven’t heard that brought up in awhile!
Ive watched this episode atleast 20 times since it came out. Its so fuckin hilarious still.
"I was on the high school debate team" -- maybe the most Luke Thomas-ey sentence I've ever heard in my life lmao. Gold!
“I keep my high school sophomore year English notes, just in case”
Another candidate
The mma sphere has been lacking this type of content for so long, im so glad you guys are here creating it!
Lmfao no wonder why Luke was so hesitant to release this one, it's about his favorite fighter
dude a part of me wishes they would stop all serious content and just go full blown bullshit skits like this
Nope
@@RelentlessPedigree Luke loves black people, so you're very wrong
@@spooka108 that is irrelevant. Weirdo
@@spooka108he doesn’t like jones everyone knows that
Bro BCs Monologues got me crying bc he takes it so serious🤣🤣
dude i absolutely love this type of content. make more please.
"No worst then third worst"
Powerful words from a great man
I love this content and I love when Chuck joins the iconic duo. Please make more
Love The Man in the hat too!!
hes liek family!
That reference to Khabib kicking Dillon Danis in the face was gold 😅 I'm with Brian
i’m genuinely tired of jon jones debates at this point, but high court makes it all worth it. thanks guys.
Why are you tired of them
Brian really stole the show with this one. Please keep doing these.
So here’s the deal.. this is probably one of my favourite segments honestly. But I wish that it was taken a little bit more seriously by BC just because this is such an interesting and talked about discussion. Love it though and I really hope they do more
Completely agree. I get that it’s high court but it seems like BC took 1 too many delta 8s. Love BC but the schtick was weird here
If only you ever bothered to yonder into the insight of that of a man you find in BC. Tis but a wish and dream on a twinkling star.
After Luke's drunken episode last week B.C. did just fine.
He's still making serious arguments, it's just delivered in comedic fashion.
Respect your opinion but I liked BC's shtick. It goes really well with the absurd wig and inside out robe.
I absolutely love the high court. It's like a sweaty, drugged out fever dream which I can't quite believe is happening. Keep it up fellas
We need to have a court day for Luke’s actions last Friday
I am at a loss for words. This… is… INCREDIBLE
Ever since finding out that Texas rewards aggression and that Jon walking forwards in the reyes fight was actually effective offense only in this one jurisdiction, I respect jones more if he did that intentionally that’s so smart
@O.W. Lichtenberg How did reyes do more damage in rd3?
That’s just your opinion.
@@done1961 Reyes clearly landed the harder, cleaner shots. Saying this as a JBJ fan
I've always viewed the argument between Jon and Khabib as length vs domination. Jon has been great forever. Khabib was also great but completely dominated his opponents. I also think Jon has the more impressive names on his resume. And the fact that he started when the UFC events were in double digits and was still winning all the way through his last performance is damn impressive.
Don't forget that Jon was dominant all the way up to his fight with Gustafsson which was already like his 6th defense. The only times he had been in trouble in the octagon up to that point was the punch that Lyoto rocked him with briefly and the armbar Vitor put him in
Peds plus khabib never lost a round
Khabib shouldn’t even be in the debate at all. He has like 5 elite wins in his career. People like aldo have more title defences than Khabib has ranked wins.
@@prandz420 Jones and gsp got title shot after 3 or 4 wins. Khabib and Usman got it after 10 and 12 wins.
@@zoheir1162 Nah. Don’t conflate Jones and GSP. Jones got a Title shot after 7 ufc fights.
More High Court please, incredibly entertaining. You guys are pulling far and away from the others
The iso shots are fkn hilarious!! Love BC trying to keep it together with that whole accent and affect
Silva is my goat, Jones 2nd but still has time and gsp 3rd.
Silva had a few years where he melted everyone in front of him and rarely saw rd 3. His absolute dominance made mw look weak, but he also starched Griffin just after he'd lost the lhw belt. Gsp feared him and he probably could have beat coutore too and been a 4 weight champ. His ufc losses came at age 38 onwards (the age Muhammad Ali retired) so that doesn't tarnish anything.
Bro jon become the champion 2 years after he started to train and become the youngest champion by beating pride and ufc champ shogun at 23 years old then went on to beat rampage,dc twice,rashad,glover,vitor,machida these are all ufc,pride,strikeforce champions hall of famers he is beaten them while he was a kid bro if you think Silva is greater you a fool or a casual
@@yasin_ucar shutup only casuals pull the casual trope. If you werent around to see the silva era then you dont get it he didnt just win he bloody jet li in the ones morherfuckers. Whole nother level of defeating people like made the best fighters look like children.
We’ve seen Silva lose way to much
Idk how to tell you this but the video you just clicked on to watch is a debate about this very subject, I think the term casual doesn't really apply here given this is an ongoing debate in the greater MMA community.
Fuckin' casual.
Silva refused to do VADA drug testing, which is why the GSP fight never happened. Silva also went 1-5 after being popped for PED’s. And what do you mean could have been a 4 weight champ? That’s total nonsense
Of course Luke was on his Highschool debate team.
This is so much fun! I must have missed the first one of these but I'm going to go back and find it. The best mma show just keeps getting better. Always great to see Chuck too!
This is how you win awards, creativity & variety. 😂 The Shevchenko brother really cracked me up with the whole "better to have loved & not lost" argument, amongst other things. We need more HC, on a monthly basis if it's not too much to ask.
"Will you stop zooming in on him!" had me rolling
Brian did an amazing job convincing me Jon Jones is 100% the goat over Khabib
I love me some high AF court. You guys need to take the next logical step and be "chewy was bout it bout it" levels of baked for the next one. plus having jeff on
Agreed. They should start the show taking a few rips.
Jones beat ufc champions but how many of them were in his prime when he fought them? Belfort was the champion in 2004 and fought Jones in 2012, that's 8 years after he lost his championship. Quinton Jackson jackson last title defense was in 2007 and he fought Jones in 2011, that's 4 years after he was a champion. Khabib beat opponents who were in the p4p list at the time: Dustin, Conor, Gaethje and he defeated a prime RDA who went on to become the champ in less than a year after he fought Khabib. Not to mention that Khabib was absolutely dominant while Jones had several close fights.
Jonrones not close to GOAT. Way too many close fights, at least 2 fights where he was GIFTED wins… plus his now long proved cheating history. Plus way too many undersized, way out of their prime former champs.
GSP is NO DOUBT the greatest MMA fighter in history.
@@WJACOTT lol yeah it’s way better to get tko’d and tap at same time than having close decisions. And speaking of gift decisions…Johnny Hendricks anyone?
He refused superfight vs Silva during their prime but rushed back soon as bisping held the title and was bound to lose it right away. Then creates excuses why he can’t defend it not even once.
Yeah he’s the real goat.
Jones was fighting more elite fighters since his early careers, of course he can't dominate each and every one of his opponents as time when on
@@sy12 GSP fought more and better competition during his era
@@spooka108 fought more times yes. But he did not fight the clear and better competition. It’s debatable. Hughes/Penn/koshcheck/Diaz/condit/thiago were his best comp. Jones had trt vitor/Jackson/machida/shogun/bader/evans/Gustafson/Cormier. Like I said it’s debatable but you say it like its obvious when it’s clearly not.
One big difference is Jon didn’t lose.
It's Prime Fedor, his fight style is GOAT status at least. Bum rush but with athleticism, seeing range 1 from 3. Flow and willingness for collision, true confidence, scramble a true test of who's body's more willing, ground agressive looking to finish, cardio fighting action packed 10 minute rounds, duration 10 years. Competition actually decent, had epic wins, longetivity still doin it
Bro jon become the champion 2 years after he started to train and become the youngest champion by beating pride and ufc champ shogun at 23 years old then went on to beat rampage,dc twice,rashad,glover,vitor,machida these are all ufc,pride,strikeforce champions hall of famers he is beaten them while he was a kid bro if you think anyone is greater you a fool or a casual
@@yasin_ucar Yeah at 205. Jones is not even that good, he's just incredible at using his length and has a really good mentality in there. He fought a lot of those guys at the exact right time for him to be strong and them to be weak before grappling was more advanced. In the fights he's not doing well in where he can't do ground stuff, he's trading unreal teeps to the ankle then getting wide armed taking shots and relying on the judges to just gift it to him
@@theblackirishshaman9013 really casual comment, Jon made these guys look bad, he proved that he was another level ahead of 2 generations of 205 fighters, if he “wasn’t that good” then DC who is also a top 10 P4p ever fighter wouldn’t have lost to him twice via unanimous decision and TKO, prime Jon Jones is one of the most elite fighters in history, I’d say that the Reyes fight was a gifted win because I had him losing 3 rounds to 2, his resume is WAY better then Fedor
@@UnicornmooseE30 I don't agree with the other guy saying Jon isn't even thst good, obviously lol. But his competition wasn't far better than Fedors.
Arona, Sobral, Goodridge, Coleman and Randleman, Schilt, Hunt and Herring are all good wins. Then he has great wins, over prime Big Nog x2, CropCop, Arvloski and Silvia. These at the time were the best HWs in the world by far, Fedor destroyed them. Then he's also KOd Rampage, Mir and Chael way past his and their prime.
Jon also had good competition. DC being obviously his best win too
@@BigballsTerrence I was kidding about him not being good. He just has tons of athletic gifts that put him in front of that era. Yeah Fedors seek and destroy, no feeling out process is what you imagine fighting to be and he was physically alot smaller most the time
What a great episode and love the concept keep them coming! I think this was the second one in a few months 1 a month would be amazing!
“Of all the farm animals Jon Jones was the finest” 🤣🤣🤣
I give this to BC. Khabib never bleed in the cage. JJ is ultimately #1p4p, but pictogram-for-pictogram #1. Since 2013 he has only one finish, the rest are decisions. He could not finish his opponents in 5 rounds for all these years. He was just ouponting them by using his reach, which is the longest in UFC history. His was finishing guys when Usada wasn't around. Plus there are 3 fights that in JJ record which could go either way, and one of those fights people usually say he lost. and the DQ.
He finished Gus 2 and D.C but ig dc fight overruled to a nc but that head kick ground & pound was undeniably brutal prowess
I lost my shit when chuck told BC to wrap this up at 8:30 😂
This was so hilarious. So entertaining. Please make more!
This is so good, please try and do more of these
I love that brian commits so much to the character and Luke does for like 3 mins lol
I hope there's a reference to someone's dog stepping on a bee.
Keep this show format for future MK High Courts! From the hip thrusting statistical crowd goer spilling his beer in the stands point of view to the classical poetic British vernacular zooming into the camera trying to hold in the seriousness of the battle between not saying phalic jokes and breaking up the overall tone of MK through attempts at comedy reliefs that in all fairness are effective given the chemistry of both participants. Everyone put on a show today! This helped pack all of the back and forth offerings sprinkled throughout your regular MK content drop and then turns it up to a new level. The banter here is so hilarious and over the top 🤣
T hi s was actually an incredible argument/debate.
I was so pissed with BC, Son… BUT LT Held It Down. Jon Jones All Day, 👊🏾🦁🦁🇳🇬🇺🇸
The way this is edited with the extreme closeups is hilarious. Good times.
I've been so depressed but this actually made me laugh and that felt good. Love these.
BC’s endless eye contact is the best 😂
I literally laughed out loud when Luke flipped the bird! 😂
I feel like calling khabib 29-0 but with 19 wins outside of ufc, while Jon is 26-1-1 or whatever but with all but like 4 in the ufc just isn’t comparable
absolutely! i've watched some of his fights pre ufc and these are not bad opponents at all, but it's just not ufc, it's not the big stage. can't compare
Exactly! The blind Khabib worshiping has always been truly baffling to me. Jon literally has more title defenses than Khabib has fights in the UFC… half of Khabib’s resume is 2 round sparring sessions with his cousins... If we’re being realistic Khabib doesn’t even make top 5, maybe even top 10 in the GOAT debate. There are fighters who are STILL ACTIVE that have better stakes in the GOAT debate and they don’t get the recognition they deserve. It’s a complete joke.
Khabub has 13 wins in ufc
Jones is a bigger guy beating smaller people. Fedor was a smaller guy beating larger guys at heavyweight. No way Jones could defeat all of Fedors wins at heavyweight. Jones isn’t the best light heavyweight let alone the goat of MMA. Fedor is by far the goat of MMA.
I think Luke “No Teeth” Thomas tried to have fun like this live but the margaritas kind of 10-7d the former marine.
I still want to thank you for your service though Luke, both you and the mighty CEO.
Love the camera push in on Campbell at 15:22! More of this type of direction please. Funny as hell
I disagree with both. GSP should be in consideration for the GOAT. He’s never had a drug test controversy. He came back and beat both the fighters he lost to, Matt Serra and Matt Hughes. And for me personally he isn’t a douchebag in his personal life.
this content is amazing. keep it going guys
Absolutely class episode. respect to BC keeping that voice going the full episode
Personally i dont care much about who's the GOAT, i think the difference in eras and divisions makes it complicated and the only sort of accurate judgement u can make is division GOATs.
But in my opinion people love to overstate Jones resume and make it seem more than it actually is. He does have a good resume yes, but when you look at it closely you'll see that it's filled with aging big names who were in the tail end of their career with old school skillsets, it is also filled with so many guys who competed in the Middleweight division which is a whole 20 pounds lighter than LHW (double the difference between say 145 and 155) so he had a huge size advantage on all those guys. Plus the 3 super close favorable decisions that he should've/could've lost, add to that how shallow his division has been talent wise in the last 10 years.
All those factors dont make Jones' resume as impressive as people claim, compared to a GSP or a prime Anderson Silva. That's without even getting into all his PED abuse.
Exactly right. It's a never ending, no right answer conversation. But at least when comparing the same era or same divsion you can narrow it down much easier. GSP's run can't be overlooked and Silva's prime was arguably the best prime of any fighter ever.
@@youcantseeme2244 Yeah for sure man, this whole GOAT debate to me is very silly and that word itself has only been created recently by the social media generation. The truth is it's very difficult to say objectively who's the greatest ever in any respective sport, or at least in all the sports i follow, the amount of variables involved and how constatntly things change just makes it way too complex.
Even in a sport as young as MMA it's still hard to compare different athletes and their greatness, for now it's easier to name the greatest in each division but even that is gonna become more difficult with time the more we will get long reigning champions. That's why i think we should just make in our mind a category of the greats of the sport, and just call those athletes ONE of the greatest ever, we dont have to name a single person THE greatest.
BC made a "Bailiff, smack his nuts" reference 😂
brian + luke + chuck is golden and so is this concept.
GSP = GOAT: 9 title defenses, 2 weight class championships, avenged his only two losses, and never tested positive for PEDs.
I thought this was just a thumbnail click bait thing. Nope, actual court. Didn’t think I could love these guys more lololol😭
Aldo has a length of time time just as long plus still fighting at a high level now and y'all never give him his flowers. 😔
Khabib is flawless in every way shape or form apart from missing weight a few times. No PED pops, never came close to losing a fight, arguably only lost 2 rounds in his career, and most 10-8s in UFC history. I take flawless domination over longevity that is tainted by PED usage and controversial victories.
3 titles defenses is not enough. Only 13 UFC fights. Super padded record. If he stuck around and beat Oliviera, as well as a couple of the young killers coming up the ranks like Gamrot and Tsarukyan, then he’d probably be the GOAT.
This is amazing. Absolutely fantastic. This is the first one I’ve seen. I was a little unsure during the intro but after the “credit roll” I was completely hooked. Keep ‘em comin’!
John has the better record and more title defenses but Khabib has the ultra dominant style that no one has come close to figuring out. And he did it clean.
title defenses trumps dominant style in my eyes. not by much, tho. but still, even if you even with some questionable decisions among the defenses, the activity, the number of defenses are bigger deal.
@@kylestephens9593 That's fair enough, Jon has clearly beat better opponents for a longer time
@@Hoolygan4ever he was also pretty dominant for his first 13 fights in the UFC and 6 of them were title fights
I love the snooty look on BC's face! This whole thing is hilarious.
I think this would've been even better if Luke was arguing against Jon as the GOAT
Extremely hard to do
No argument about Jon jones fighting old dudes who ate more damage than anybody and middleweights? And losing the Gus 1 fight and losing the reyes fight?
Jon vs Gus 1 was not even that competitive lmao Jones won 4-1. Did you even watched the fight?
@@spooka108 yeah, scoring criteria was different then now though. It’s ok if you didn’t know that though
@@jonreyes6872 nah man people make it sound more competitive than it really is
13:42 lol lol
That “flying dropkick toward dillon danis” line got me 😂😂
Is BC's wig back to front? 🤔
“I too shoot from the hip” had me dead!
High Court is absolutely the funniest MMA content on all of RUclips. This is definitely my favorite MK segment since old schoool RSD.
Also I couldn't get over how funny BC looked in this, how his outfit made him look like an old lady, and how deep in went with the character. Fucking hilarious.
BC starting things off with the art!
Keep them coming!!!! I get old school man show with a MMA twist vibe from these.
This is GOLD!
Yes
Luke should have brought Khabib's multiple fights that were scheduled for two rounds prior to the UFC into evidence as well.
This is GOLD!! The intro is also GOLD I love it. Much appreciated.
Just had a really good thought, do a Room Service Diaries with Chuck on the couch and just talk about random bullshit. That would be amazing.
This is probably the greatest thing I've ever watched since the birth of this show. Fucking hilarious
This is the only format in which a goat discussion isn't completely played out trash. Also Chuck should be the arbiter of all things mma or otherwise.
"I don't really like you Luke so I'm not gonna answer your question"
Why does Brian look more like he has been cast in a new remake of Psycho? :D
In my opinion Khabib is the best fighter we ever saw. If Khabib was as big as Jones, my money is on Khabib. So for me he’s the goat.
More these are fire🔥🔥🔥🍀 Right after blunt
chuck is too funny that dry humor is incredible
The intro had me so pumped for this show.
This was awsome from the beggining. Keep it up boys!
Love it when Brian puts on that accent 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Love this content. Total get why Luke wanted to wait til they had a Jones fight announcement though. Hope it gets some traction
Lawyer, Judge, Nanna
Silva is my #1 his reign IMO was more impressive AND his light heavyweight venture felt like he was doing easy fetch quest 🤷🏽♂️
Couldn’t agree more
BC The Majestic! 1,000,000,000 LIKES. Need more of this Please
This dynamic trio of this segment is perfect, lol.
Top notch image quality!
This was perfect! Please continue!
Holy shit these are amazing. "Baliff whack his peepee." even chuck had a hard time with that one lol
And for the record fellas… I love the hair😂
Which episode has the first high court, I must have missed that?
BC truly is a man of culture
MOOOOORRREEEEE PLEEEEZZZ
These are just so so good. PLEASE do more !!
The zoom-ins on BC were very artistic.
This is the reason why you guys are the best MMA show! Please more of this.
Laughed continually throughout and didn’t realize half an hour had passed. Epic shit!