What's Wrong with Andrew Huberman's Science? | ft Dr. Andrea Love
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- Опубликовано: 1 апр 2024
- So maybe you don't care about what happens in Andrew Huberman's personal life. So long as his science checks out, what's the harm? Well, I hate to break it to you but his science doesn't really check out either. From cherry-picked results to quack "protocols" Huberman frequently overextends his knowledge and starts shilling pseudoscience. This week on the show I talk to the immunologist Dr. Andrea Love to set the record straight.
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Zelph on the Shelf (ExMo/humor) just did a reaction to the Huberman article. COLLAB?
I'm a Huberman fan, but I take his, and everyone's, advice with a grain of pink salt.
I’d go with the Dead Sea salt🤷♀️😂
AG1 is the adult version of Flintstone vitamins riding off a tiktok chlorophyll drink trend. Its the same thing with Factor meals trying to pretend its not another microwave dinner company. I stopped listening to Huberman because I was like "If you did all the the protocols suggested, your pee would look like radiator fluid and there would be no time for real life". I felt the same way about Rhonda Patrick.
Rhonda Patrick is another one of those people who like to extrapolate mice studies into proof that something works for humans. Protocols all day long.
Great comment 👌👌👌
Well said. Rhonda Patrick is in the same league as Huberman when it comes to extrapolating insufficient studies to protocols.
wow - I didn't know chlorophyll drinking was a tiktok trend! I've been drinking spirulina for years.
Wouldn’t the benefit of factor meals be that they are healthier alternatives to other cheap food options?
34:18 “wake up and look at the sun” is not solely Huberman’s. Dr Panda, the leading circadian rhythm researcher teaches THE SAME.
@48:48 - "“Huberman talks a lot about vitamin D that's his whole thing for why you have to go put your eyeballs in the sun and the whole vitamin D industry is wild” Did they even listen to his podcasts? Huberman mentions several times that sunlight activates the photoreceptors in the eyes to reset the circadian rhythm, nothing about Vitamin D.
@48:48 She says Huberman claimed getting sunlight in the eyes is for vitamin D but he clearly states it resets the circadian rhythm to optimize wakefulness and sleep. Doesn't take a genius to see what's going on here, it's a hit piece.
@@davidoh8745 I had never heard of this dude before today, but suddenly i was hit with all his side piece juggling capacity. I guess the dude is a hit at hitting multiple side pieces at the same time. Seems to me he should have a podcast advising incels.
Indigenous elders and many cultures have spoken about sun gazing for a very long time. Modern day Westerners aren't the discoverers of everything. People all over the world have been living healthfully for generations. What these American biohackers are trying to do is figure out a way to live in ways disharmonious with those old ways but still feel good, It can't be done. There's also a huge monetary drive to create a career based on this stuff, it's a sort of pyramid scheme, like Rich Dad Poor Dad, selling information that few people can ever prove or disprove. By the time people figure it out, the snake oil salesman has made their fortune.
Most Phds start to really learn the board picture and basics of their field when they start to teach introduction courses to undergraduates. Unfortunately, the general public does not realize how narrow the knowledge of PhDs is. This tunnel vision also often leads to ill judgement in many things as well, sometimes even in their own little area. Mentioning his own professorship every time and selling suppliments is unethical, period. Giving platform to dubious figures, regardless of their credentials and academic employments, is harming the public. Thanking audience for interest in science is self-gradiolizing since you are not the representative/spokesperson of science. No, 2-3 hours rambling with big words doesn't mean depth but, unfortunately, many academics are trained that way or think they should talk and write that way to sound profound and intelligent. Plus, protocols are not solutions for individual situations
I have listened to a fair amount of Huberman content, but haven't much lately because it's become redundant in my opinion. I don't recall ever feeling any pressure to buy anything or subscribe to any of his health protocols. I don't recall him ever making any absolute statements regarding health or science either. In my memory, he always seemed to present his and other's content as objectively as possible. He does talk about his own experiences with protocols and supplementation, including the ones he promotes, but I wouldn't ever confuse his personal experiences with the actual scientific method. Anyone who follows anyone's advice with blind faith is not a victim. Let's keep most the blame here where it belongs...on naive consumers.
I’ve found him to be totally reasonable & thorough actually.
I heard him even correct some things he said. If he has something wrong and he is criticized he corrects it in the next episode. I think the mistakes that are mentioned happening to everyone.
I think the view count on his videos proves people think he's thorough. The problem is, if you read the studies he cites you realise he isn't at all.
@@therabbithat Well that was the same problem with Covid. A lot of politicians were wrong worldwide. And because a lot of politicians have no clue about science they did not even realize it, that some of the studies did not say what they were claiming.
I dont understand why he is criticized so much but others are not who are worse.
Ok he is a professor but there professor who are far worse. For example the ones that promote Nazis ideology like critical race theory and they do not even know that they are promoting that, becasue they lack intelligence that qualifies them to speak on scientific topics.
I mean, Dr. Andrea Love misrepresented Huberman's claims in obvious ways. @48:48 she says Huberman claimed getting sunlight in the eyes is for vitamin D but he clearly states it resets the circadian rhythm to optimize wakefulness and sleep. Also to criticize anyone for advising to lower your sugar/alcohol intake is a clear sign you should take her word with a grain of salt.
I've had severe vitamin D deficiency with osteomalacia (adult rickets), which caused severe bone pain. I was initially diagnosed by my rheumatologist and was referred to an immunologist for extensive testing and then treatment. I discovered from this that it's a really complicated problem which requires specialist doctors to treat. Severe vitamin D deficiency isn't a medical issue you want to be treating yourself or via the advice from an influencer!
Rickets is bad. I'm glad you caught it.
The worst part of Huberman’s advice on vitamin D to just get sunlight is that he never talked about that this relies on UV-B rays and that a lot of times you’re only getting UV-A rays. So, a person could actually get a sunburn and not get any UVB rays and think that they’re synthesizing vitamin D. He’s so dumb. That was just one episode that really annoyed me and completely shocked me how irresponsible he was.
Right on! I'm glad your docs sussed it out & helped you!
My mom was born in 1930 and had Ricketts as a child from malnourishment that left her with a big dent in her lower leg. Her dirt poor parents took her to hospital, and the docs said her leg needed amputation, but the parents said they couldn't afford it or care for an amputee with 7 other kids, so they got some meds and went back to the farm. She recovered fully but had myriad health problems all her life.
Ya'll should actually listen to what he says about getting sunlight in the eyes. It has nothing to do with vitamin D, Huberman mentions several times that sunlight activates the photoreceptors in the eyes to reset the circadian rhythm and help with your sleep cycle, nothing about Vitamin D.
@@tnijoo5109 Did anyone actually listen to Huberman? He doesn't mention vitamin D as the reason for getting sunlight in the eyes, he clearly states that once the photoreceptors are activated it resets the circadian rhythm and promotes optimal wakefulness/sleep schedule.
I'm just after telling my friends how ridiculous one clip of him saying " doing things you don't like makes you happy" sure it does. Next thing he will tell us doing heroin makes people unhappy.
Huberman's intended audience (in terms of rhetorical analysis) for his podcast was highly educated university students and grad students. Unsurprising since this reflected his professional work environment.
Any consumer of Huberman's (early?) podcast should already have a working knowledge of the scientific hierarchy of evidence, the genre of literature review, and maybe even some basics of study design. A huge bonus if you know the difference between Type I error (Huberman's weakness) and Type II error. This protected me from every (?) problem Andrea Love describes. I think the problem was a combination of the listening audience not understanding how critical these frameworks are for consuming Huberman's content, and Huberman's improper assessment that he really was speaking to the "every man."
I agree with the point that people put all kinds of stuff into and onto their bodies without thinking about it carefully enough. But:
1. It seems to me the better option is for people to apply a more critical thought process to this in general, rather than to accept everything the medical establishment says, or to pick and choose what they feel to be okay based primarily on emotion (e.g. yes to cool tattoo, but no to vaccine)
2. There is still a big difference between injecting substances into circulation, vs eating or applying them to the skin.
I can't believe she is defending the idea of putting a teaspoon of sugar in your coffee. Yes, you should be afraid of it and you can get used to enjoying it without any sweetener.
Two things:
1- Huberman has many guests, that are reputable and serious people.
2- how good are the sponsored products is not the same as the validity of the tools and the information he presents
Two things:
1- many of his guests also talk about things outside their area of study and misconstrue things
2- the fact that he will hawk non-scientific products says a lot about either his integrity or his ability to scrutinize the science behind those products. Either way it’s bad.
End of story.
@@lyinbobbycottonseedI don’t find the product advertisements to be memorable at all, much less pushy, so it’s a moot point.
Science is not about being an “expert” in only one area. Generalists are necessary for understanding anything at all.
You’re probably not smart enough to read a scientific paper.
@@bryanutility9609 1. You lack of ability to memorize his product endorsements has no bearing on their integrity. You don’t seem capable of being objective, so it being a “moot point” to you is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and simply indicates your lack of critical thinking skills.
2. Actually, that’s exactly what science is about. That’s why scientists, including Huberman, pick one area of study to become an expert in and spend many years focusing on that one area. No Ph.D goes to school to study ophthalmology, and exercise science, and sleep. The subjects are simply too complex and there’s too much to learn. Even scientists who study one subject for 30 years understand their own weak areas on that very subject.
3. That’s an ad hominem attack, a logical fallacy, and it shows your inability to control your emotions and exercise maturity.
I suggest you research Dunning-Kruger effect, spend some time learning how to self-analyze, gain self-awareness, and then come back to the table to try having discussions with other adults. Case closed.
Before I started reading the studies he cites and realised he misrepresents them, I read a book he recommend by someone he interviewed and it was pure pseudoscience. It was also harmful, for example, it claimed fibromyalgia was caused by engaging in too many enjoyable activities. There is zero evidence of that, zero, and the author didn't claim there was any evidence even though she claimed it was true.
I was taken aback. This guy works at Stanford! He doesn't tell you when the guests have fringe views that go against all the evidence and aren't widely held
@@therabbithat what guest was that?
She's not an MD, and I trust Lustig more than I ever would her. Lustig is an accomplished doctor with many years of clinical work and research.
I wish people in general had a better understanding of science vs pseudoscience and news vs commentary. It would certainly benefit society as a whole. Thanks as always for covering these important topics.
I write about this a LOT in my newsletter :)
@@dr.andrealove Thank you for your service. I am a retired high school language & literacy educator, and I saw the shift in US education from critical literacy, problem-solving, and project-based education to standardized testing, conformity of thought, and threat of punishment in my career from 1994-2019. Science education gets short shrift, because curiosity and exploration do not produce standardized results. We now have a whole generation of over-tested and under-taught folks who need to learn these skills as adults. Add in the anti-science movement from recent years, and in counties like mine, where religious folks become science teachers to NOT teach evolution....The struggle is REAL. Be well.
@@dr.andrealove I’ll check it out. It’s one of my bugaboos in life ha.
Definition of “riding coattails”
I think it's even illegal when he says this is not a sponsor or anything and he obviously has some relationship with the company
"Safe and effective".
That's not financially backed whatsoever.
🤪😉
I will happily sit in the middle in this one.
In one hand, I agree that Huberman sometimes brings up scientific "facts" that are far from solid and should marinade a little bit more in the scientific community before being so widely broadcasted. Also, he goes a long way from his area of expertise and arrives at places where he no longer punches with the same intensity and precision, occasionally generating mistakes.
On the other hand, I find his content very useful and, considering the academic level of the average RUclipsr, much more robust than 90% of the available options in the platform. Also, he always remind us to form our own opinion, do our own research and figure out for ourselves what work for us. He also has publicly corrected himself several times, and is very transparent when showing any type of evidence (I.e. article of origin, scientific magazine that published it, year, name of researchers, whether it's peer reviewed, etc).
So in conclusion, I do not think his content is bulletproof. But I do think is useful, way above average and very transparent, and I am happy with that. After all, lets remind ourselves: it's FREE.
The Business of America is Business. So when you look at your supplement bottle and discover that this product "supports" so and so or that it plays an "important role" in ... health you'll discover with your magnifying glass writing that"These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA." But who owns the FDA? This is where cognitive dissonance comes in. When "your" FDA hasn't had the time, apparently, to evaluate these claims you start to wonder about conflicts of interest and you start to question the authority of the FDA which is still better in my opinion than the health department of the state of Florida.
Numer TWO: to have any credulence as a health influencer you HAVE to have your own line of products or bare minimum endorse a lot of products. Number three, I really enjoyed this video.
The supplement companies need to run trials if they want FDA evaluations. That’s the way drug approval works. The FDA would be overwhelmed if it has to test every claim some company made.
A protocol can be speculative as long as it is not actively harmful. The cost - benefit analysis with Huberman is pretty clear. Nonetheless, calling on him to be more clear about the confidence in the underlying science is good.
I agree. If there is no harm then it’s fine. But harm can come in many forms-some unintended.
Just finished listening to your book The Wedge,,,, really good listen and have already tried the potato hack!! Fixed my years long IBS bout.. 😂❤
Great to hear!
She brings up fluoride but Huberman agrees with her, he did an episode on fluoride and it agrees with what she says… so far the examples of him misinforming are weak
You only named one example and you didn’t read the article she wrote
@@lyinbobbycottonseed I actually did read the article, and I hold to it that Huberman and her both agree Fluoride is important for your dental health. But lets not pretend fluoride in high dosage is not toxic, there is a reason your dentist recommends to spit it out after brushing. So because Huberman said its toxic in high dosage thats suddenly not science? Come on now.... I did a full response to a comment by Scott carney himself while there are sure to be valid criticisms about Huberman if you try to be the champion of science at least make sure you are accurate in your criticism.
I also think the double standard is hillarious where we posit that none of the Huberman listeners do any follow up on anything he says but we expect people here to read the article before responding to the substance of the video
She did a four-piece on his terrible flu and cold prevention episode. That one was full of misinformation and generally very poorly researched.
He is a prof in neuroscience, not sport and exercise sciences or nutrition sciences. So not qualified to talk about those topics
I agree. I wondered what Huberman would do his first season of podcasting after he exhausted his own (sub)field of knowledge. One thing he did was interview experts in other fields, great! Another thing he did is what I categorized as literature reviews; this is where he was out of his depth. In hindsight, it didn't bother me because I never thought he was positioning himself as an expert in these fields, just throwing light on research. Curious if you would have a different take, cheers!
Yeah God forbid anyone talk about anything that they have not been officially certified in by big food and big pharma.
hence why not to believe everything you see on youtube
@@TheRealJavierNovoa OK bud, how’s your tin foil hat fitting?
Are you a podcaster? What makes you think you're qualified to comment on podcasting?
This was so good!!! Please do another segment with her. I really want to know more about her opinions on Huberman, especially on his lab and what’s going on there.
Huberman works with and has a friend, Derek, who owns a very succesfull online trt company, Marek health.
I think Hubes only consulted on a formulation for Derek's supplement company, Gorilla Mind. It's called Sigma Male (?)
Is this the point the pendulum swings back the other way, ie. back towards science. Or is it going to get more crazy? Great video Scott, definitely more for you to dig into, though please don,t tell me not to listen to rich roll, he,s the only one left now😢
I hope the pendulum swings back to reality. I've heard Rich Roll is great, so I'll refrain from looking into him for now.
I enjoyed this. I would push back on the assertion that regulated pharmaceutical companies are necessarily always safe-Purdue Pharma comes to mind…seems like the core of the problem is more about greed and power. Just saying.
That’s true.
Thank you ❤. This is really helpful because I thought he was too good to be true. He just seems squirrelly.
How does he have the time to reach and research and podcast and do all his protocols and he has a family. He can’t do all this at once
Alright so you judge Huberman for cherry picking and then cherry pick 3 things. One of his guests lied on the show, not even he himself but his guest lied to him. He said Fluoride is toxic, he said it is toxic only in high dosages, which it is that’s why your toothpaste says not to swallow it. And he sells supplements, many of which, though you seem to want to deny this, do in fact have randomized controlled studies showing efficacy.
Privately he does seem to be a total dick, but this was weak, as far as interviews go, and yes I understand this was impromptu but come on…
See the paper Dr. Love wrote. There are a lot more than three examples. And it's not her responsibility to annotate every Huberman episode.
@@sgcarney No it is not, but it is her responsibility when she criticises him on his scientific missteps to do so accurately. Her first 10 minutes were about dr. Lustig lying to Andrew, followed by talking about Fluoride, which if you listen to the episode about fluoride Andrew actually says it is only toxic in high dosage, which is scientifically accurate. Followed by a general rant about supplements and making it seems as though no supplement at all has any scientific evidence behind it which is again not true. So we criticise Huberman for being inaccurate and while doing so are inaccurate ourselves...
Kind of funny when you expect people on your podcast to read the show note links but when it comes to the links on Hubermans show, no one is going to read those right?
We expect his listeners to do no research at all...
Just going over her article(I don't think the name paper is justified here but I could be wrong) It does seem to be mostly about Dr Lustig, Fluoride and Supplements.
Again her criticism of the Fluoride episode is weak, she leaves out him saying multiple times that he does not know which is better in regards to tap water, and that because he is in an area that has fluoride in tap water he does not use it in his toothpaste and leaves out him talking about the beneficial effects of fluoride on dental health. No lets focus on the thing he said we disagree with and gloss over the fact that he actually presented a pretty balanced view after talking to several dental health professionals including one which is apparently not the most reliable, but he was not the only one consulted like she makes it seem.
On top of that just about every episode he says "I am not an md go and see your doctor before you try this" But let's not acknowledge that.
She cites the dangers of vitamin supplements as potentially fatal, with a link to a case of vit D overdose, well sure but there are many FDA approved, with many quality studies, over the counter drugs will kill you just as much if you overdose on them, but supplements evil and FDA approved drugs good I guess... Also claiming supplements don't work, unless prescribed by your doctor then they do work seems like a contradiction.
Oh btw Huberman recommends to always first see a doctor before taking any new supplement... So if the doctor agrees its the working kind of supplement right? /s
You had some fun mocking him for telling people to expose their eyes to sunlight in the morning, but isn't he the expert on eyes and not you?
Overal I am sure there is legitimate criticism to be had about Huberman, but as far as I have heard when he talks about momentous or AG1 he always discloses his involvement in those companies so I don't really see an issue there, especially when paired with the fact that when the talks about supplements he always mentions talk to your doctor first.
Even the cherry-picked claims by this "expert" are false. I noticed a few examples:
@48:48 She talks about how Huberman's whole thing about getting sunlight in the eyes is to get vitamin D. If you actually listen to him he states it activates the photoreceptors in the eyes to reset the circadian rhythm which optimizes wakefulness and sleep, nothing about Vitamin D.
She also states cortisol is bad while disregarding the nuanced point that short-term activation of the stress hormone can be beneficial, such as ice baths. Huberman obviously advises not to stay too long since it leads to hypothermia.
Also is she really hating on Huberman for suggesting to lower your intake of sugar and alcohol? I'm getting convinced they're getting paid by the industries to keep Americans unhealthy.
So there is big diff. in vit D level if fed or starving and so fed by your fatdeposits, whatever you dig in fats to get energy or not?
I debunked her dis-information via a 16min video going over studies that go back to the 80's, what a shill.
Where is your video?
Great show. A bit long and wordy like so many. Dr Love needs a better mic for calling in to people's shows. #tin
This was great, thank you!
So far she has brought up one lie and it was a lie not told by Huberman but by his guest…
A few lies I noticed. She says Huberman advises to get sunlight in the eyes for vitamin D although Huberman never even mentions vitamin D. Huberman explains that sunlight activates the photoreceptors in the eyes that triggers the circadian rhythm, to optimize wakefulness and sleep. Also she fails to recognize his nuanced point about deliberately activating short term stress (cortisol) in a way which is beneficial to the body/mind. Also she criticizes Huberman's guidance on lowering sugar/alcohol intake, which is nutrition 101. Doesn't take a scientist to see she's biased.
Vitamin D was spoken.about in the Lustig podcast A.H. made.
@@Zeylin17 Sure its a very important vitamin to be aware of if you want to live healthy but the context they discuss vitamin D in, the morning eye sun exposure, is not for vitamin D so they are misrepresenting what AH said while claiming to be on the side of truth, that makes for an untrustworthy argument
@@davidoh8745 She doesn't criticize the claim that you should lower alcohol and sugar intake. But his particular methods lmao. His guidance, not the actual goal.
I’m not sure if this is what you typically talk about, but I’m a big fan of Dr Love, and this was an excellent conversation!
Also, I see some 2nd edition books back there, so I know you’re a real one. 😂
thank you, it was interesting.
Thankyou! this breaks down not only Huberman, but all the psuedo podcast scientists selling athletic greens and Co. I knew something was wrong with their content but didn't have the scientific background to really pin-point it. Thanks Dr Love.
Right? I follow a bunch of podcasts sponsored by AG1 but they are comedy / news podcasts. None of the science podcasts are sponsored by them because it's a massive conflict of interest, and the dietician influencers will all tell you AG1 is snake oil. Literal snake oil has some vitimins too!
If these people get their way, expect frivolous lawsuits for saying that vitamin c is good for preventing colds...
Was Huberman supporting Wim Hof?
yes. But lots of people do.
Yeah, I mean what a bunch of fools supporting a guy who says that breathing deeply can actually positively affect mental and physical health. We all know that only giving money to the establishment can make us healthier.
@@TheRealJavierNovoahear! hear! 🥂
Scott wrote a book about Wim Hof too
I wish there were more podcast like these. Kudos! Keep debunking these charlatans!!!
I went to look for a debunking article regarding huberman claims. For the most part it was Reddit and one off blogs criticizing that he is “medicalizing” health or just merely saying he a bro scientist. I found one article that actually debunked some aspects of nmn, nad, and the interaction between the two for supplementation and it was very respectful and provided actual retorts with references. Besides this I think it’s just the hot thing to bag on huberman rn. I’ve tried to find a written article from dr love and I have not seen one provided.
Did you not look at the pinned comment? Here it is again: slate.com/technology/2024/03/andrew-huberman-huberman-lab-health-advice-podcast-debunk.html
The one she wrote criticizing him? Oh you call that a paper? Andrea should try some of Andrew protocols. It may help her … there are human evidence Andrea. The millions that Andrew have helped. Happy to see Andrew earning 20million a year… not happy for the people that believe “products” change lives instead of following the natural protocols he, Andrew promotes
@@lolypopy26 lmao Andrew promotes products too, my guy. And you don’t know what you’re talking about
@@lyinbobbycottonseed of course he does, what do I don’t know ? Can you elaborate your comment ?
@@sgcarney this is not a scientific paper
This woman seems to have chosen Hubermann as her nemesis. She is biased by her own unsympathy towards Andrew on such a level that her criticism of him loses credibility. I'm not a wacko anti-vaxxer but it really pissed me off when she suggested that he doesn't care about general public health because he dares to suggest that vaccination is unnecessary for a simple cold or flu. Me or my whole family including my kids never got a single flu vaccination and we are just fine. In my country, we give the obligatory vaccinations for the kids and that's it but imo most normal people wouldn't opt for a flu vaccine. Honestly, I also find it an utter waste of time running to a doctor even for testing with simple cold symptoms. It's pointless when your body heals itself anyway.
It's also interesting how she selectively fearmongers about the risk of flu yet completely downplays the risk of experiencing disabling, long-term symptoms from Lyme disease.
OMG. Don't breathe through your nose guys. Thanks Mr. Carney for making me laugh so hard tonight!
“goes to the gym with RFK, Jr….” say NO more!😵💫😂
Vaccine researchers being big mad about hanging with RFK Jr. 😂
@@Eliphas_Elric science schmience🤷♀️🤣
...as a German Bio Chemist Ph D
several times I asked you already
is that ALL you can do...
participating in ad hominem
smear campaigns???
Is there anything of original Value
YOU contribute???
anything???
This person doesn't cite a single study to prove her point. She is doing exactly what she accuses Huberman of. I came for facts and got opinions. Very disappointing
why did you add the german qualifier? haha.
@@JelenaVM well if you comprehend what she is saying, you will see she doesn't need to cite studies. She is pointing out that the studies Huberman cites are not good evidence and cherry picking of studies (Mechanistics, rat studies, small studies, in vitro). It would then fall to Huberman to gather relevent studies to support his claim as would be expected of a Standford Professor.
As a journalist he informs the public. What seems to be great about him is that he is not afraid to go against sacred cows. I’m pretty sure that a lot of other people wanted to criticize Wim Hoff and Huberman, but simply didn’t want the problems associated with “attacking” a highly popular public figure. Unfortunately for Huberman, his moral conduct is now in question and that opens the door for other criticism.
I think it was about time for people to start questioning the prevalent podcaster/youtuber influencer-guru paradigm, especially in the realm of health, productivity, and science. The western society has had encounters with a kind of guru before - the spiritual guru - and it wasn’t pretty. The same lessons should be applied here.
@@robjows you're absolutely right. Gossiping doesn't need evidence to back it up.
I appreciate the plain talk on this topic.
thank you for providing a counterpoint to all the "hitpiece" narratives floating around. I'm kind of in that "bro" space of youtube and it is EVERYWHERE and it's like people have just turned off their brains!
as seen with the below comments, huberman fans do not like it when his con is exposed.
No they don't
So her first point was "he said in vivo not in vitro." But it was in a mouse not a human... So what's the definition of in vivo? Lol Why are mice used? Hard to take seriously from this point.
Dear Scott,
Dear Andrea,
thanks for making such a great video about the flawed science Andrew Huberman presents in his podcast. Me as a scientist working in academia and not having time to listen to 3h long podcast formats actually looked up to Prof. Huberman. I was easily blinded by his affiliation with the Standford University but after finding out what happend there (I only say data manipulation by Marc Tessier-Lavigne, which happens to be the same University!) I started to doubt a bit what is happening. And after seeing some posts by Andrea I got even more upset. I could not believe that he as a scientist is actually doing false statements and steps with his big feet on the research integrity so hard. I still cannot wrap around my head why he chose this path. It might be really a personality thing that poses to me a general threat for the public. I understand Andrea to 100% and really look up to her for her courage and bravery to fight against him and others. I am still not there to do so but I support her! In my little journey here on YT as a science communicator, I learned a lot that people really do not understand much and that we scientists have to do a better job in explaining what we are doing and we find out. As Andrea said, there is not the answer in science, it is a moment captured of a fraction that we understand.
Once again thanks a lot for making such efforts and I highly appreciate your investigation and your honest opinion. I wish you both all the best and keep this great work!
Yeah because a title from a hyped institution like stanford constitutes science. Unless the person that has that title differs a little bit from big pharma and big food. Then it doesn't count.
Love's demonstration of how Huberman overstates his claims, cherry picks research, uses his credentials to appear like an expert in fields outside of his expertise, and is corrupted by his sponsorships is very important and revealing. However, the personal attacks about his sexual activity and ghosting practices are irrelevant to this demonstration and may even cheapen the episode.
No one paid attention to how bad his science was until they started taking about the affairs. That’s the unfortunate reality of the world we live in.
This is very helpful!! Huberman definitely has put forth an image of himself that is not true. I know first hand after following his testosterone protocol and after speaking to two doctors and doing my own research found there is no evidence behind his advice. It’s time for a reckoning! Keep up the good work Scott
Yeah, I mean, God forbid you do research outside of the confines of big food and big pharma. God forbid you were to take responsibility for your own health. You need to give more money to the establishment.
@@TheRealJavierNovoa buddy, you sound like an npc. but if it's easier for you to live by trusting obvious grifters, more power to you
@@qwerty-rh6ht what is an npc?
@@qwerty-rh6ht It;s like, you guys just enjoy tearing people down. And to a certain extent I do too, why would I be watching this? It is entertaining..but you really don't believe this stuff do you man? You really don't believe that anything that doesn't hail big pharma is pseudoscience? You don't think maybe, by chance, Huberman might be right about a few things? NO INFORMATION from one PhD transfers to another field? Are we THAT hyperspecialized bro? A world where we are all in silos and all hailing authority? It is not a world I would enjoy living in. Does this really make you happy?
Thank you
This chick should go up against Professor Seyfried on the topic of Cancer.
I was thinking the same, or Richard Feinman.
I knew that Andrew cherry picks studies. But after that infamous article I really think differently about his credential.
Thank you for your work. It's very important.
Love Andrea Love!
Huberman started showing up on the usual suspect "bro" podcasts about two years ago giving very glip "sciency" answers to complicated health questions. I assumed then that there's probably a bloody trail of backstory for this guy but at the time he seemed clean as a whistle in terms of what I could find through a google search. Fast forward two years and... here we are. Just to my right hand side, a half dozen take down videos.
It's a familiar trajectory.
Transparency about the Covid vaccine 😂😂😂😢😮 who is funding you Scott?
So this lady says that Andrew Huberman has tried to scare people to not eat fruit when in the podcast with Doctor Lustig, he actually admits to eating so many blueberries that his mri was showing up irregularly. So I don't see how he is trying to convince people to not eat fruit when, In fact, during that exact podcast. He encouraged people to eat fruit.
He eats Blueberries BECAUSE they are low on sugar Other fruits have fructose (sugar) so yes he is scaring people off eating fruit
Go watch his “cherry picked” episode on peptides.
Where he clearly states that we only have animal studies & that’s not enough to definitive conclusions on the topic.
To be skeptical and cautious if using them and in no way was he promoting them.
You don’t get more thorough than that.
Who cares about athletic greens. 😂. Are you saying that’s a fake product?
Considering he is a prof of neuroscience at Harvard, his academic bibliometric profile is quite poor. Maybe he should focus on conducting some better research in his own field
He's at Stanford. But yes, he should do more research.
Lol fanbois
What about Zach Bush interview him - find out what he has to say or is it just selective journalism you are doing?
Who is Zach bush?
This was a great interview!
Thanks!
Really milking this are we?
If you don't want to hear about Huberman, take a look at this video I did last week about the murderous history of the anatomical skeleton business. I promise I don't mention his name a single time. ruclips.net/video/ph7goYXu4j8/видео.html
I read her article and some of the things she said were taken out of context and not accurate. Which is a great feature in an article supposedly showing how he is doing that very same thing.
This entire thing is silly and is obviously personal vendetta. I think Huberman hurt his feelings. And if the story he told was true I can see why. That wasn't cool of Huberman. But all this is a lot. Too much. It's a hell of a bad look.
When Huberman had David Sinclair on, I read Sinclair's book and started researching into the person. His work in the supplement business pointed towards conflicts of interest, some of the science seemed mere quackery and I began doubting Huberman. Why would he invite a quack? The pop lectures before audiences, AG1, that does not check out as a product I unsubscribed the podcast. - Your work here points at something deeper and I appreciate it.
Why are you acting shocked at the beginning as if you didn’t know the article would be coming out?? Seems super phony
I’m not shocked. Where did you get that?
Completely support most of what you’re saying. Unfortunately your complete dismissal of supplements is where you fall down imo. Not all supplements are the same! Eg check out those developed by Dr Arthur Furst (passed away now but previously head of oncology at Stanford). Having the optimal level of nutrients in one’s diet (not the same as RDI levels) can only be beneficial and high quality food based supplements can be used to achieve this.
Real hard-boiled scientists do not have the time, energy, resources, (charisma), to become such a "high yield influencer" like Huberman.
This is a fact.
You are so right about that
The public broadcasters usually are responsible for education. We have an influencers (in Germany) that are paid by the public broacaster. for example Maithink x on youtube. That does not exist in the USA, but that is a way to be independent from your sponsors.
Great video, loved the talk.
I first came across Huberman in an interview with Chris Williamson. Within a couple minutes he started to shill for some colleagues' book "Jaws", orthotropics, and the Mewing technique. Totally discredited nonsense and I intuited the guy was a quack. He played this up with an appeal to authority: that the book had an introduction by "heavy-hitters" Jared Diamond (despite his book Guns, Germs, and Steel being widely panned by historians) and Robert Sapolsky (while credible in his field, is certainly fallible, and has cited discredited or unreplicated studies in his own books). I believe his angle was to awe the listener into believing this conveyed legitimacy, but it certainly isn't science. It seems Huberman is practically allergic to science.
Unfortunately, he knows his audience. The uncritical and fawning praise for him on that video's comment section (and even your own!) are sad to see.
He DOES know his audience. And they love him unconditionally.
Excellent podcast! Love your content and Dr. Love! Thank you for talking about real science and standing up for health information consumers.
Thanks for listening.
I really dislike the idea that because there are some people out there pushing snake oil, and Huberman pushes a safer, more effective (if grossly overpriced) product, that therefore Huberman is a snake oil salesman. This is guilt by association and borderline libel.
Peter Attia is another questionable one. He has a video where he recommends supplements. However supplements aren’t regulated, so who the hell knows what you’re really buying. I thought doctors were all about the evidence and science. Why would he recommend products that aren’t regulated? Greed. He’s invested in a supplement company.
I just read Atia’s “outlive” and he has some good ideas, but I also have concerns.
@@sgcarney Decoding the Gurus have done a great job breaking down Huberman and Attia. I believe gulf between the two is clear. To me Huberman fell into the stepping out of his lane ‘coach’ - supplement salesperson within one episode. I am not getting this from Attia. I do believe he is following the prescription for growth which seems to be a requirement of the system this all operates within. Save for a couple of interviews, or being the interviewee , of the usual bevy of polarizing characters, he stays on point and is clear when the ideas are not fully evidenced or have dissenting conclusions. Health Optimization is a high risk high reward space to play in.
Looking forward to your take. Also curious how you are going to handle the pressures of this medium which begs edginess / controversy to enhance growth.
At the end of the day they just want our coins like anyone else.
Thank you for yet another great guest. Given the comments, you seem to reach quite a few of the people who really need to hear this kind of nuanced truths about health and science in general. There is a neurobiology professor at Stanford who would be a great guest, Pr. Sapolsky - i watched his full course on the Stanford YT-channel and it is fascinating. Plus you might get to ask him about Hubermanns lab...
Cherry-picking Huberman's content to show examples of Huberman's cherry-picking....
A respectable scientist should absolutely ONLY propagate fact checked information It's not cherry picking It's pointing out misleading information
Huberman May Be wrong In One Direction but this Lady is very well off in another Direction. This is not more right or wrong that Hiberman so Which one is better?
Why do you think that?
Obviously the person who supports giving more money to big pharma is right, come on. And there is only one right answer, there is no nuance.
Sounds like she works for big industry,…sugar and processed food, vaccines…hell naw
She wants to. This woman has many Instagram Reels promoting Big Sugar. Including one on why Pop-Tarts are healthy running fuel, why a soda a day is good, why organic foods are "bad" and we should only eat conventional, and why Cheerios is unfairly demonized. She is seeking to get paid by the Standard American Diet industry, and she's playing Scott, a legit person, to her status quo S.A.D. mission. She also is not a medical doctor, yet in her Instagram "Dr." is in her title, so people viewing reels may assume she is one. She's a microbiologist who works adjacent to the Big Pharma space. Note: I have many though not every single vaccine, and have balanced views on health, and my twin works in big pharma, so I'm not a hater. But this woman is bad news.
Or, like, nuanced reality?
yeah, she does not work for those industries. "big industry" be specific cmon
Hi Scott, this was very good. Unsubbed from Huberman because I don't need more lies in my infotainment. There is a huge problem with the methods of science reporting and communication and there is no solution yet. I wonder if generative AI could be a solution in the near future due to its ability to fact check and provide a summary.
Yeah I mean, god forbid people sell products outside big food and big pharma.
Surely you can see though how this might be an issue? They outlined it in the video. Clearly misrepresented info by saying a study done on mice was done on humans.
Why not actually do some of the work to do "reaction and proofing" each specific video "wrong". Do the work yourself, and then be responsible for the content to be checked by other with other opinions.
The mountain of unsubstantiated claims by Huberman makes this an unachievable task. Huberman reads the abstract of a mice study and creates a protocal, he does this multiple times per episode. You expect someone to produce the census of scientifc evidence for each of these claims? This video demonstrates the scietntific laziness of Humberman, he should be doing this work. However the scientific concensus is often 'boring' and unprofitable and thats why he doesn't, preferring his "health hacks" and "protocals".
Generally speaking, during any sort of debate or peer review, it’s on the person making the assertions to prove them, not the party questioning them to disprove those assertions. This holds true for the scientific concepts Huberman appears to regularly draw conclusions about.
placebo effect is huge…
Please make more videos.
Not enjoying this cancellation content, I subbed for the positive vibes…
Lol so calling out someone with a global platform pushing bad science is harshing your vibe? Maybe you should check out knitting.
Not supposed to enjoy it, it's for analysis, then make your conclusion, That's how I see it, Your comments are welcome,
@@marshallsaltzman9924 wtf dude, why would take time out of your day to insult a random stranger
@@asan1050 I appreciate your point of view. My POV is that Scott has brought me interesting views that improved my life and 3 video's in a row that try to cancel another person that has improved my life was too much for me.
@@avemeends more like, why are you taking time out of your day to whine about being called out for bad acting. Get a life
Does Andrea have RUclips channel?
We should not base our judgement on the basis of biase media click bait content. He has been giving lot of free knowledge to his subscribers.
It´s ridiculous how many people call journalistic articles backed by receipts “hit pieces” just because they reveal a side about a person we don´t want to be real. Just because his content helped a lot of people doesn´t mean it´s science backed. Besides: he gets paid a lot for his “free content” - nothing wrong about it but it´s not like he´s doing all this work just for nothing.
@@lalulala2819 no one is perfect .we don't know other side of the coin. We aren't eye witness of his personal life. Just ignore. Watch his next episode with Mathew walker on sleep.
👏 Exactly. People who call fact-checked and legally reviewed journalism "hit-pieces" have zero understanding of journalism. They just don't like it when people tell the truth about their heroes.
@lalulala2819 Journalist work for media corporate. These days, they don't do fact check, they fabricate so-called fact, generate fake news, and help systematic brainwashing!
*free misinformation
Please read the studies he cites. He regularly misrepresents them completely
Andrea correcting Andrew? She just jealous of his name. 😂
ruclips.net/user/shortsopGE0bh7fbs Does Andrew Huberman live in Enumclaw?
I feel that this is being misrepresented. I don’t hear Huberman being hyperbolic, there are protocols but none that are definitive. Huberman focuses on the subtle nuances and limitations that the current information present and gleans the possible improved protocols from the information. Not stating that these protocols are definitive cures however they are adjuncts to enhance or improve the likelihood of a positive outcome or result.
He’s a charlatan
it took me not 10 minutes listening to his podcast fighting this out
You're Desperate 😂😂😂😂😂😂
1. Mr. Andrew is promoting consumerism and materialism like posting videos on X wearing Roka hat and drinking Yerba Mate in a grocery store (Sir Andrew please pay First)
2. During Sir Andrew’s live Q&A event in Sydney, Australia the slides on screen had 8sleep and AG1, your audience paid for the brain body contract not NASCAR
3. Mr. Andrew - here’s a suggestion; at your next live event be like Oprah Winfrey “YOU get AG1, 8sleep, Roka and Yerba Mate” and conduct your guest interviews with logos, AG1, 8sleep and Roka across your signature black shirts
4. Andrew please don’t get tattoos of AG1, 8sleep, Roka and Yerba Mate on your Forehead - I fear you will become like a mouse, pressing on lever because it’s all about the Benjamins
5. Sir Andrew is being exploitative and pimping out his viewers like ME with greed of cash money. During Dr. David Yeager interview, Mr. Andrew is drinking from a Yerba Mate cup - recommendation show us the brewing process as well next time
6. I don't recall Dr. Stephen Hawking selling his soul for dead presidents and disguise his behavior under the umbrella of Science
7. Sir Andrew is shielding his immoral actions in the “interest of Science” his audience/viewers is becoming his grand experiment to promote himself
8. Sir Andrew shirtless tiktok video is a prime example, here’s another suggestion Mr. Andrew - release a sex tape title “Andrew Huberman Does Dallas - brain body contract”
9. As an aspiring black female Neuroscientist, I’m deeply haunted by the path you’re paving for my generation
10. Sir Andrew rebrands Eastern practice and philosophies (Hinduism, Buddhism, Ayurveda) on sleep, light, mediation ex: Yoga Nidra repackage as “non sleep deep rest”
11. Mr. Andrew is like a used car salesman - Zero cost website Huberman Lab bait and switch Huberman Lab Premium $100 annually and where to buy HIS supplements/tickets to live events
12. Mr. Andrew is an illusionist, weaving a classic tale of a turbulent past to captivate his viewers with eloquent word fillers - recommendation sell your biopic to Hollywood, perhaps the Rock to depict you
13. Mr. Andrew claims he reads ALL his RUclips comments, so this is MY experiment - please response within 7 days (not by one of your hired Drones)
14. Sir Andrew please restructure your unethical behavior and address ALL my concerns in the “interest of Science” and please don’t apply the Tom Brady excuse - every Podcaster does it to offset cost
15. I promoted you to my inner circle but lately we feel like geese - forced fed materialism consumerism to increase your investments and bankroll
I sent the above Andrew Huberman/friends and his sponsors.
How can we be sure this video series isn't capitalization on an article about Huberman. Time to grind out videos while the topic is hot!
Exhibit A, the real confused one is Andrea Love: “got my 2023-2024 COVID-19 vaccine, flu vaccine, and a second Hepatitis B vaccine”
Yeah, I mean, processed food is great! Micro plastics are great to ingest. This video is hard to watch, but I am sort of a glutton for punishment tonight :D
Bruh why are you making so many comments on this video 💀 bro spends all his time defending someone who doesn’t even know he exists
I may or may not have been drunk that night bruh. But seriously these attacks on Huberman are banal. I will make a video today on it.
@@TheRealJavierNovoa lmao we ain’t watching your video bruh. And you clearly can’t be objective or reasonable about the topic. Biased. Sad.
Oh you'll watch it bruh.
Aren’t you two fortunate to have a success to coattail
"too"
@@sgcarneyto*
Do you think because you have a lot of books in the background of your videos that people will think you are worth listening to?
Worth reading.
@@sgcarneydon't waste your finger strength on these humans, they are a mess and they do not know what they are referring to. They may act like they know but they didn't even finish the whole video I guarantee you 150% they did not finish the whole video in its entirety, all they are doing is going based off of the title and that is simply it and it shows the future of our civilization😅😅😅😅
I felt off about Huberman since he said that Omega 3's work as good as Antidepressants.
Better
yeah wasn’t this ridiculous ?
Gosh, why does she talk so loud?She literally shouts. All Americans are so loud
Not just loud, but a voice that is like a daggar to the skull.
It definitivt needs some EQ and multiband compression, but first a better mic 🎤 😁🤘
@@Flight_1018 Well, I had to decrease a volume but I finished this video even if it irritated me in the beginning. She is reasonable and knowledgeable. I like how she explains certain points which I would have a hard time to describe since I have never thought about it as a PhD scientist myself. I just cannot get used to some things in US - for example, how loud some Americans are, especially women. It looks like they try to dominate everyone who is around or in the same room with them. The worst experience is to hear them screaming (they think they are talking) at the bar.
4 hours from Spain
Seems like you're just trying to get more subs on the hype
#CarneyLab