You’re absolutely right, if your back line artillery is being used for direct fire, things are f*cked up, but it’s pretty badass to go out firing heavy artillery, possibly way too close for anyone’s comfort.
My father, an veteran who served in the Korean Conflict told of how while his survey and engineer crew were finishing out a forward airfield GI's drove up shouting for any scrap metal, bolts, nuts, bottles that could be shoved into a barrel of a 105. They grabbed everything they could dumping all into the trailers behind the jeeps. All night gun flashes, bugles, whistles, artillery fire, screams came over the ridge separating the airfield from the artillery. The next day my father and his group were set to work laying explosives into the opposing cliffs, the charges to shatter the stone into fill that could be bulldozed over the thousands of Chinese dead. The 105's had had to fire point blank, often at less then level. The gun tubes were scoured out, no better than blunderbusses by the time the sun came up. The medics had to take many of the artillerymen, they had become unresponsive automatons. My father said, "There has to be a better way than that."
So you're trying to pretend that the American 105 fired two part ammunition *and* that a US artillery unit in Korea fought a FDF combat? Bullshite. Absolute BS.
In Vietnam, the Army developed Beehive and Killer Junior. They didn't have so many direct fire events, but they didn't really lose any. When you attack a well drilled artillery unit head-on, you will lose a lot of people.
@@benerval7just so. The self propelled howitzer has a much lower velocity main gun and is designed for indirect fire support for mech infantry and armor. If you’re up against tanks with direct fire from a howitzer it is a VERY bad day and you’re probably dead.
@@benerval7 In 1969 I was 13E20 until OCS (yes, Comanche County Cannon Cocker's College, Class 14-70) flight school,1980 ROTARY WING AVIATOR, RVN and Pershing missiles, 1190; Interesting jobs all.
Spades aren't dug in, of course the SP will shift. Each gun system has its ads and disads, wheel vs track, etc. The M109 is quite elderly and the M777 is easier to maintain as a whole system, and in terms of mobility is only limited by the type of gun tractor towing it.
Argentina tuvo muy buen poder de artillería en Las Islas Malvinas, lo anecdótico es que cayeron toneladas de municiones y el relato británico dice haber tenido casi ningún caído cuando la relación de hombres fue de 10 hombres británico por cada argentino, siendo uno de los mejores soldados de la historia ese dato de bajas es poco serio, 🇦🇷👋
역시 팔라딘도 되게 안정적이다. If you hesitate in a war, you'll die, There's nothing more stupid than that. It's better for the other person to feel the same way as you do, but it may not be. Because you can't predict the other person, If you hesitate, I'll die. There is a saying in Korea, which is Admiral Yi Sun-shin's famous saying that I learned when I was in the Korean army. If you want to live, you'll die; if you want to die, you'll live.
Well one is designed to shoot and scoot while close to enemy lines and the other is for fire support when your enemy doesn’t have the ability to shoot back
Uncle always told me of the handful of times they had to use howitzers in direct dire to defend some of the smaller airbases in vietnam he was at as a ch53 pilot. The carnage of 105mm flechette rounds is crazy. They found the dead would have their rifles essentually stapled to there bodies and trees
Anyone else here come from D-4-2? I was among one of the first trainees in that complex, as it seemed as if the majority of recruits were still in the old wood buildings from around the WW II era 13F reporting in... You can take a man out of the Army, but you can't take the Army out of the man.
I carried a M79 (Thumper) off and on until they were replaced by the M203. Thumper ] The M79 can fire a wide variety of 40 mm rounds, including explosive, anti-personnel, smoke, buckshot, flechette and illumination. I’ve fired flechette round on multiple occasions. I was happy with them, right up until I saw an M48a5 fire one of their bee hive timed flechette rounds. Then a artillery man told me that they had them as well. Holy smokes those things are serious enemy in the open rounds.
По какой-то причине,стреляет в борт самоходке,то есть нападение идёт по другим целям И вообще первый раз вижу чтобы самоходки ходили на штурм как танки
M109a7 is the best in the world so we don't need a improvement. However, there's a new howitzer with up to 60 mi range that's coming as a supplement to A7. They keep on making it and keeping it the most advanced in the world not only in quality but in quantity as well. Anybody that messes with the United States Army gets wiped out very quickly in a heavy conflict.
Que manera de desperdiciar recursos de los contribuyentes solo para enriquecer a fabricantes de armas y políticos ! Mientras solo va quedando destrucción y contaminación en cada conflicto que alientan
Saw an PzH 2000 firing with max propellant Charge firing at an old M48 in a distance of 300m. The M48 flew 50m and landed Break in half, this was scary
Cuando te cae un "obsoleto" proyectil de 155 mm cerca tuyo cargado con bolas de metralla que explota a 20 metros sobre ti, creo que el termino "obsoleto" se te olvida de repente.
If artillery is in direct fire, things have gone horribly wrong.
They should give it amor or E.R.A Thats my thoughts
na thats just war thunder
... a no ser que seas Rommel en África con su trampa de los 88
it can do both artillery and be a howitzer, if you dont know what a howitzer is, it can be an AT gun and Artillery at the same time in short words
자주포, 곡사포가 직사상황이면 이미 전투는 절망적인 상황입니다
이 말 왜 없나 했다 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
You’re absolutely right, if your back line artillery is being used for direct fire, things are f*cked up, but it’s pretty badass to go out firing heavy artillery, possibly way too close for anyone’s comfort.
불확실성이라고 전장에선 무엇이든 확신할수없음
So you just give up ?!
You would make a perfect soldier for your country…kudos
(And you absolutely have no idea about other western armies)
누구나 다 아는 말이고
그래도 일말의 희망을 가지고 최후의 수단으로 쓰는거
My father, an veteran who served in the Korean Conflict told of how while his survey and engineer crew were finishing out a forward airfield GI's drove up shouting for any scrap metal, bolts, nuts, bottles that could be shoved into a barrel of a 105.
They grabbed everything they could dumping all into the trailers behind the jeeps.
All night gun flashes, bugles, whistles, artillery fire, screams came over the ridge separating the airfield from the artillery.
The next day my father and his group were set to work laying explosives into the opposing cliffs, the charges to shatter the stone into fill that could be bulldozed over the thousands of Chinese dead.
The 105's had had to fire point blank, often at less then level. The gun tubes were scoured out, no better than blunderbusses by the time the sun came up.
The medics had to take many of the artillerymen, they had become unresponsive automatons.
My father said, "There has to be a better way than that."
That is bad ass
So you're trying to pretend that the American 105 fired two part ammunition *and* that a US artillery unit in Korea fought a FDF combat?
Bullshite. Absolute BS.
In Vietnam, the Army developed Beehive and Killer Junior. They didn't have so many direct fire events, but they didn't really lose any. When you attack a well drilled artillery unit head-on, you will lose a lot of people.
Thanks! from Seoul, South Korea
@@김수영-h3k Thank you for helping you divide your country and kill your own countrymen.
곡사포를 직사로 쏘는건..
장기로 치면 초 궁앞에 한 병이 내려온상태! 장군을 엎고서 궁안의 병을 치고서 죽는상황임.
훈련은 이것저것 다해봐야지. 이동중이거나 유리한상태서도 응용될수 있으니까..
Creo q a estas alturas tecnologicas los tanques ya deberian autocargarse.
직접사격이 꼭 적 전차대상이 아닙니다.
적 참호나 동굴진지 타격을 위한 돌격포로서도 적 특작부대 진지접근시 타격을 위한 영거리 사격 준비로부터 응용할 것이 많습니다.
Its not far away from a fixed baynets situation if there getting that close
300 meters plus minus.
Imma bolt a comically large bayonet on my Self-propelled gun and charge that mf tank
Give em the point!
Damn that's some power to move that tank back like that!!!!
Its a howitzer.
@@benerval7just so. The self propelled howitzer has a much lower velocity main gun and is designed for indirect fire support for mech infantry and armor. If you’re up against tanks with direct fire from a howitzer it is a VERY bad day and you’re probably dead.
@@captbart3185 I was a career 13B/13M. Yes, going direct fire meant something in front of us went very wrong.
@@benerval7 In 1969 I was 13E20 until OCS (yes, Comanche County Cannon Cocker's College, Class 14-70) flight school,1980 ROTARY WING AVIATOR, RVN and Pershing missiles, 1190; Interesting jobs all.
@@captbart3185 I started the journey in the FA world in 1987 myself. Im retired but still working on Ft Sill for both the FA and ADA branches.
這表示敵人殺到眼前了，
有可能是第一線部隊被擊潰，或是敵突襲成功
💪🏻🇺🇦. Abajo granputín. 🙋🏻♂️Cusco 🇵🇪.
砲兵が直接照準射撃する時は、命と引き換えで攻撃する状況でしょうね。
大口径榴弾の直撃は凄そう
@@harrykoba141 最新のMBTでも当たれば問答無用でバラバラだろうな...
昔の自衛隊では203mm自走砲で直接射撃する訓練もやったそうな
流石に203mmなら至近弾でも戦車には大ダメージだろうな
@@オレンジオジサン 203mmなら蒸発するだろうね、155mmでも大破だろうに....
弾頭はHEでしょうから、スポール破壊に対応している第三世代以降の戦車の複合装甲には効果は薄いと思われます
Do they still have flechettes? We had them on the M 48 in the Marine Corps. 106 had them also. Shotgun shells and up! They work very well.
Spades aren't dug in, of course the SP will shift.
Each gun system has its ads and disads, wheel vs track, etc. The M109 is quite elderly and the M777 is easier to maintain as a whole system, and in terms of mobility is only limited by the type of gun tractor towing it.
And they wouldn’t dig in spades in a direct fire situation because I imagine they want the ability to manoeuvre if required, right?
155밀은 일단 맞추기만 하면 현대전차든 뭐든 조질수있긴하지
ㄹㅇ?
@@wrb6197 전차장갑은 버텨도 포신, 외부관측장치가 못버팀
@@wrb6197맞으면 폭압때문에 전차,승무원,부품,기자재 다 작살남
Два выстрела и ремонт, а для корнета это вообще легкая добыча
그대신 명중률이 개판이지
직접사격- 직접조준사격이 맞는 용어임
군대 용어로 ,, Field manual
Jesus Chris. Engage the E brake. 😒.
❤cuánto dolor cuanta ausencia y cuánto desperdicio de grandes guerreros en el mundo 🌎 grandes hermano sin una buena causa libertad y paz amor ❤️
У - этого оружия очень много уязвимостей, с чем прекрасно справляется Российская армия.
Ну хз многие в телеге пишет что с экскалибуром очень сильно контрбатареит русскую арту.
TANK INI LBH BESAR KUAT DAN GAGAH DR PADA M 1 ABRAM. USA
水平射撃は男のロマン
Dirás que es el último romance del hombre.
야포가 직사하는 경우는 가끔 있다. 대전차 직사는 홍천말고개의 김풍익소령, 죽미령의 스미스대대 등이 있고, 보병을 향한 직사는 청천강전투, 횡성전투 등에서도 있다. 포병의 화력은 생각보다 강력하다.
Argentina tuvo muy buen poder de artillería en Las Islas Malvinas, lo anecdótico es que cayeron toneladas de municiones y el relato británico dice haber tenido casi ningún caído cuando la relación de hombres fue de 10 hombres británico por cada argentino, siendo uno de los mejores soldados de la historia ese dato de bajas es poco serio, 🇦🇷👋
Why do those guys on the M777 sound so hysterical.
I'd expect a military crew to be much more dispassionate.
The gun commander is yelling. That's all.
If they were in this situation for real, you can be damn sure they'd be frantic.
消火器のホースが差込口から外れています。
盛んにズームアップされる消火器についつい目が行ってしまう…。
A型？
자주포 직사 = 최악의 상황
The Germans almost defeated the Allies with an anti-aircraft gun use in a direct fire role. Either of these beasts is going to spoil someone's day.
No. They didn't.
Not gonna lie, those howitzers would wreck armor if they were using the right round
역시 팔라딘도 되게 안정적이다.
If you hesitate in a war, you'll die,
There's nothing more stupid than that.
It's better for the other person to feel the same way as you do, but it may not be.
Because you can't predict the other person,
If you hesitate, I'll die.
There is a saying in Korea, which is Admiral Yi Sun-shin's famous saying that I learned when I was in the Korean army. If you want to live, you'll die; if you want to die, you'll live.
Caramba para llegar a eso es que los soldados estan dispuestos a morirse en su posición
Металлолом 😅
All calibre guns can be used in a direct fire mode, be it a towed howitzer, wheeled self-propelled gun or anti-aircraft guns of 40mm or 88mm.
Ready as pessimistic, Do as optimistic-Japanese proverb
Blooming in despair
Salve braços guerreiros só quem já viveu conhece!!!!
Playing this on repeat, it's actually relaxing. 😌
Потеряли тыкалку - стрельбы не будет - офигеть !!!!
Die anderen Stellen sich immer als Zielscheibe hin, ist klar.
Ne Bruder Putin hüpft auf einem Bein rum und ärgert die Kanonen 😎
Well one is designed to shoot and scoot while close to enemy lines and the other is for fire support when your enemy doesn’t have the ability to shoot back
자주포도 날탄이라든가 날대탄 있음? 아니면 고폭탄 폭압으로 조지는건가??
자주포 견인포가 직사할 상황이면 끝난거지
Yo fui cargador de CARRO DE COMBATE en el servicio militar de España año 1990, también fui, CAMIONERO
시가전에서 건물부수기에 효율적인건 자주포의 직사 사격. 시가전이 아닌 상황이면.....
both very powerful type of modern artillery weapon.
Nennt sich Direktes Richten mit 8 Ladung weiß …
wir hatten noch Erdsporne an der M109 damit die nicht zurückschiebt …,
Are not "Last defence" against the russian Lancet.....
felipe angeles el mejor artillero de nuestra revolucion mexicana
Atleast they dont need a percussion cap
Does 155mm have canister rounds?
No, unless they made one for it by the time I got out. During my day they only had one for the 105mm called the APERS round " anti-personnel"
why? if a he 155mm lands near you, you have enough problems already.
If they dont, I'm sure they'd have fuzes to go off at different ranges.
I think the British had that at Mirbat in the 70s.
but enemy is not a DUCK they alway's QUACK QUACK...
Thanks God they have a fire extinguisher.
적 특작조에 의한 포병 부대 공격에도 직사사격 합니다. 직사사격 한다고 무조건 절망적인 상황은 아닙니다.
제말이요...
다들 전쟁을 너무 평면적으로만 생각하심...^^
그게 절망적인 상황이죠.
그러게요... 위에 보면 무조건 전방이 싹 다 밀리는 상황만 있다고 생각하는게 한심함
cuantos platos de comida se surtiría la humanidad con cada cartucho disparado?
직사시 전차와 달리 조준경으로 보고 사수가 결정해서 쏘지요
이동표적, 좌에서 우로 이동 중인 적전차
준비~~~~~ 쏴!!!
직접 쏴본 경험
산 중턱에 맞고 불꽃이랑 바위가 부서지는 모습 진짜 멋지다
발톱이 많이 밀린다
Perhaps a Bajonett?
Hacían también tiro alblanco con los rusos del Donestk y Donbass luego del Maidan? Se equivocaron de aliados
Sad situation for all artilleryman 😢
This scene were repeated many times during WW2.
No me quiero imaginar el ruido que ase eso 😢
M777's performance in Ukraine is so terrible, underrating the reputation.
私は時々、牽引式榴弾砲に自動装填装置が搭載されない理由が不思議でなりません。
自動装填装置は牽引式榴弾砲の『安価』という最大のメリットをなくすからです
牽引式榴弾砲というのは簡素な構造にすることで防護力や機動力などを持たない代わりに、軽量で安価な仕様になっています
火砲にしろ戦車にしろ、最高級の質のものを潤沢に配備できればそれに越したことはないのですが、予算の都合上そんなことはどこの国でもできません
なので、一般の部隊にはそこそこの質の安価な兵器(牽引式榴弾砲など)をたくさん配備し(数的主力)、虎の子の部隊にのみ質に優れた高価な兵器(自走榴弾砲など)を配備する(質的主力)ことで、最低限度の仕事をできるようにしているんですね
このような施策をハイローミックスと言います
Haben die heute....
Autoloader needs a power source. Towed howitzers have no motor, only self propelled howitzers are motorized.
自動装填装置は、電力を要します。つまり、電源をつけることになる、そうすると、自動装填装置と電源で、重くなり、移動が難しくなります。つまり、行動範囲が狭められ、戦略的にも不利になります。
Uncle always told me of the handful of times they had to use howitzers in direct dire to defend some of the smaller airbases in vietnam he was at as a ch53 pilot. The carnage of 105mm flechette rounds is crazy. They found the dead would have their rifles essentually stapled to there bodies and trees
Lembrei dos filmes documentários da 2a Guerra, da artilharia russa nas ruas de Berlim. Quase inacreditável.
Anyone else here come from D-4-2? I was among one of the first trainees in that complex, as it seemed as if the majority of recruits were still in the old wood buildings from around the WW II era
13F reporting in...
You can take a man out of the Army, but you can't take the Army out of the man.
canister or beehive shot would be very interested for taking care of enemy troops that are close in
I carried a M79 (Thumper) off and on until they were replaced by the M203.
Thumper ] The M79 can fire a wide variety of 40 mm rounds, including explosive, anti-personnel, smoke, buckshot, flechette and illumination.
I’ve fired flechette round on multiple occasions.
I was happy with them, right up until I saw an M48a5 fire one of their bee hive timed flechette rounds.
Then a artillery man told me that they had them as well.
Holy smokes those things are serious enemy in the open rounds.
Do show impacted tank too
Porque será que aquí no hay mujeres diciendo que se les está excluyendo?
Aquí no hay patriarcado verdad jajajaja
자주포는 안전한 후방에서 지원사격용이라
직접 적을 조우할일이 없어야합니다
자주포가 최후의 방어로 저렇게 직사로 쏘는 상황은
6.25때 처럼 낙동강까지 급격하게 밀렸을때 같은 상황 말곤 없어요
Ein Toaster auf Kettenantrieb 😂
По какой-то причине,стреляет в борт самоходке,то есть нападение идёт по другим целям
И вообще первый раз вижу чтобы самоходки ходили на штурм как танки
自走砲也是要下住鋤才對吧！109以前下基地看過，憲兵營的，在內灣，憲兵當時竟然有砲兵營，還蠻吃驚的
시가전에서 공성포마냥 203mm 직사때리던 영상 생각나네
Russian Lancet UAVs love these 😅
U said it👍
@fatihdeniz0770 just like your ass loves d..cks 😂
How can something that doesn’t exist love?
Россия это позорище 😂
Russian Lancet this this and that… who tf cares.
Great for home deffense
Have it aimed on the mailbox
Rússia transforming twice in dump metal!
근데 자주포가 뒤로 밀리면 연사가 불가능하것네...좌표 오류로 아군 에게 ㄷㄷㄷ
I mean I adore the paladin, but the US needs a better system
M109a7 is the best in the world so we don't need a improvement. However, there's a new howitzer with up to 60 mi range that's coming as a supplement to A7. They keep on making it and keeping it the most advanced in the world not only in quality but in quantity as well. Anybody that messes with the United States Army gets wiped out very quickly in a heavy conflict.
@@gdurantthey need to get the THOR system out faster
Que manera de desperdiciar recursos de los contribuyentes solo para enriquecer a fabricantes de armas y políticos !
Mientras solo va quedando destrucción y contaminación en cada conflicto que alientan
No sabía que se podía hacer fuego directo con esta artillería.
Und ab in die Wartung fur 5 Wochen...deutsche Wertarbeit 😂😂😂
where it is?
Je vous souhaites un bon cercueuil plutôt qu'une fosse commune, cher marchand de guerre
Saw an PzH 2000 firing with max propellant Charge firing at an old M48 in a distance of 300m.
The M48 flew 50m and landed Break in half, this was scary
빗나가믄 나가리
Esas armas en la guerra actual están obsoletas...
Cuando te cae un "obsoleto" proyectil de 155 mm cerca tuyo cargado con bolas de metralla que explota a 20 metros sobre ti, creo que el termino "obsoleto" se te olvida de repente.
@@aestradarespeto eso es de la prehistoria, hoy en día eso es chatarra para un dron ...
Should there be so much recoil to push the tank like that
1: it's not a tank. 2: yes, it's a 155mm howitzer.
수동은 1회용 = 내가 못 맞추면 내가 격파당하고
FUERZA UCRANIANOS VIVA LOS HÉROES ZELENSKI YA ESTAMOS AL Final FUERA LOS INVASORES!!!!!!!
견인포는 일단 방아쇠 당겨두고 째껴야죠
자주포는 사격즉시 기동
Artillerymen💥 in a world of their own.⚔️🇺🇲👍😉
These two weapons in Ukraine were massively destroyed by the Russian army😂😂😂
気合が入ってる
ターゲットを撃破したのか気になるところです
直瞄準射擊，砲兵最後的進攻
當初在砲校受訓時，教官就曾說到155公厘以上打到要直接瞄準射擊時，就表示該進行"火炮現地破壞"準則了。
我下基地時剛好就考這題，當初快退伍時我們剛跟小砲營合併，當時基地測驗也被要求跟小砲營準則一樣，其實很無言的，但是軍人的生活就是如此。
Now imagine that being a Push 2000 or Acht-Achter! Then they would have actually hit and destroy something.
They should fire to alaska greenland ,4 km. From Russia border
Who else want to see US vs Russia war??
And that’s why anti tanks guns are needed as well as infantry support so our guys don’t have to do that but if they have to there will be no mercy
Ask argentinian AA defense in Goose Green battle, Malvinas, targeting Oerlikons to british infantry..........
곡사포가 직사 할 상황이면 이미 게임 오버
이 땐 튀어야지 ...
퇴보각은 20키로
Miss those days. GUNNERS, SIR
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자주포 직사, 탱크에 양보하세요. 자주포 리퍼블릭?
坦克正面裝甲擋得住155炮的直接轟擊嗎
You know shtf when howitzers need to direct fire
Chale para que la artillería este presente en la primeras líneas la cosa estaría horrible