‘Bendy’ streetcars take their last rides as TTC vehicles
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- Опубликовано: 1 сен 2019
- The remaining two ALRV streetcars took their final journey as TTC vehicles Monday, offering free service to the last riders along Queen Street. Adrian Ghobrial with some of the history behind the streetcars.
these should go to museums not scrappers
Bruh they are...
It's not the last we will see them
I’m sure they are. We have a tram muesum in zurich and the tram/bus company of zurich is currently restoring a very old tram. The extremely old ones are still used, ish. It’s normally a restaurant or a festive theme and is driven around like that.
@@invinciblenowyt Same in my city - Katowice. We have Konstal N and Konstal 105N historical trams (as in: restored to how they looked when leaving the factory) in regular service.
The should San Francisco regauge 4 feet 8 and 1/2 1.4m or Philadelphia 5ft 1.588m
(laughs in Romanian where 35 year old East-Berlin trams are still circulating around the city)
In Belgrade trams is old 40+ year's (Swiss donation)
In prague there are a bit modernised T3s which are aswell from about the 70s
In budapest we have Ganz ICS's which are from 1966
laughs in new orleanian on my 93 year old streetcar
Laughs in Hungarian next to my freight tram from 1920
Perhaps these bendy streetcars will be preserved at the Halton County Railway Museum where all the other streetcars and subway trains are.
Like I said, preserving them is museums is a great idea.
@@DTD110865 I believe the TTC plans to preserve at least one ALRV (maybe two) in Toronto.
They already are...
I love these streetcars! When we came to Toronto was the very first ttc we used!
Yes it gives a european charm..now toronto will look like any other classic north amerikan big city
@@m11322 and on the older buses too!
Not only did bombardier delay delivery of new streetcars, we wasted 20 million in a failed project to maintain the aging ALRVs (which eventually got cancelled). You have to wonder who's in charge of these high level decisions.
they have serious mental health issues
SBB bought many Twindexx trains from Bombardier scheduled for 2013. They should be in service since December 2018, but most of them are not ready for service. The CEO of SBB resigned and will finally leave next year. We are talking about almost a billion wasted from our tax money!
I like these older streetcars over the new ones
Who cares 506 is getting new streetcars now who even cares they are back on track..
In NYC, we had an issue with Bombardier too. They were two years late with the delivery for our R179s as well. Deliveries should've been from 2015 to 2017. All units should've been on property from 2017. The MTA spent millions of dollars into extended life maintenance on the R32s and R42s, which we still have.
The ALRV's are always gonna be my favorite streetcar. I also like the CLRV's. But the Flexity's are the way to go. Rest in peace TTC's ALRV fleet. You will be missed
I came to Toronto when these where practically brand new (27 years ago) when I first came to Toronto. I thought they were so awesome! I wonder if these will be sold to people that want to build tiny homes. That would be so cool.
4 of them might, not for homes but for...uh..
They may (will probably) be rebuilt and sold to developing countries that cannot afford brand new cars. For example, the San Diego, CA Siemens cars ended up in Mendoza, Argentina. Some of those cars may have up to 15 good years of service ahead of them.
@@oleogabalo No. The 1 of 2 remaining is being preserved while the other will bite the dust.
Highly doubt they will be re used would be cool, but we live in too much of a throw away culture these days, they willprobably just go for scrap metal. Get the copper and all the valueable stuff and the rest sent to china for cheap recycled steel.
Got it. Seems like a waste. They seem usable. Regards.
I use to ride these Streetcars with my Auntie Paula in Toronto when I was younger. When I used to live in Hamilton before I moved to Edmonton Alberta.
Tatra trams are the best trams ever made...those are unbreakable . Even the original seats they never break !!!
In Boston they still have streetcars from WWII
..NYC still has trains from 1964 running just fine.
Ironically there getting phased out right now by bombardier trains that are years late and even had to be sent back to the factories after testing in the subway system because of how faulty they are
and cop cars still using light bars from the 50s too.
@@K1_Trains It's true their replacements the R179 are way behind schedule also the order was changed a few times. The 1964 vintage R32 car bodies are fine as Budd built a nearly indestructible stainless steel car but even though they were put through a GOH they are mechanically worn out. However a subway car does not have to contend with road salt as a light rail vehicle that runs on the street does and they use a lot of it in Toronto in the winter.
We have trains from the 1930’s still running over hear in the U.K. ;)
Sad to see a part of TTC history come to an end. I commend the Commission for the effort to keep the equipment in service for the right reasons albeit at a cost. To their credit, action had to be taken in light of the delayed delivery of the Bombardier order and action they did.
My beloved Father [Charlie] was the night foreman at Roncesvalles Carhouse many years ago, the first CLRV (single module, not the double in this video) was onsite all shiny and complete with the new smell. Dad explained that this was the new tech, packed with electronics, etc. I was so excited! One of my best memories with Dad. Some may remember the red rockets came out again in fleets because this new toy had experienced many faults in the first winter.
That's so awesome 😊
All I remember this street cars when I came to Toronto and i first rode the newer one in July 2016 love it too. Bye Bye legend.
I never seen those Toronto Transit Commission 'bendy' streetcars before, when I was not born in Canada [until my Nigerian aunt lives there]. Here in the United States (where I was born), there are old Metropolitan Transportation Authority NYC buses that are old and seen in the street since I was born in the year 1998.
It's a shame that the life extension of the ALRV's (which was first introduced in 1988) for a decade (10 years) was cancelled. Meanwhile over in Melbourne the life on the B class trams (also introduced in 1988) is being extended for another 15 years.
Twice in my life I've visited Toronto (1999 & 2008), and have ridden both the CLRV and ALRV-type streetcars. They'll hold a place in my heart, but as with so many things in life, all good things must come to an end. Let's just hope the TTC doesn't have the same problem like they did when the hybrid buses were rolled out!
Remember during 90's when I immigrated to Canada, we use to get on one of those trams from Dundas Station to China Town...nostalgic!!
In Gothenburg, Sweden, there are streetcars dating all the way back to the shift between 1800s and 1900s, mixed with streetcars from all decades since. All of them are running in rushhours as well.
Has anyone else noticed that on the new streetcars some of them have louder stop chimes than others on some of them when someone presses the stop button you can hardly hear the stop chime but on others it’s nice and loud and actually noticeable I wish they were all nice and loud and noticeable
Where can we buy this iconic streetcar's bell?
Russel Carhouse..
Here in Brussels the pcc trams are still running, the 77/7800 serie is 50y old . They are dead to the wire! Alstom is in full delivery of the new TNG flexity 3200/4200 series. But goes slow. All the new trams are only for the center and the old stock runs on the outlines of Brussels
Meanwhile TATRA T3's build in 1962 are still widely used in some eastern-europeans countries :D:D
I remember riding one of the Articulated Streetcars on 511 Bathurst.
Me too. I used to see them and ride them.
@@keironforbes9512 I love our T1 Subways on our Bloor trains, since it's lots of fun riding in the front & back Car. Also look out window too.
The Halton County Streetcar Museum could use one of these, if they don’t already have one.
Look at Melbourne, so many of these still running flawlessly alongside the brand new ones in the CBD. Granted there is no snowy winter (Although it does snow sometimes), but still.
So sad,hope they get preserved.
Meanwhile Siemens LRV’s built in 1984 are still running just fine on Pittsburgh’s T system.
Calgary and Edmonton are still running U2s built in the early 1980s.
Sad yet interesting. We had those in LA til the 60's.
I think it would be cool that when all the old streetcars both ALRV and CLRV have been retired and if the TTC has any left over of those stop signs that was stuck on the back window I think it would be cool if they sold those off as a piece of TTC memorabilia I actually have one of those stop signs I just haven’t figured out a good way of hanging it up yet the stop signs I’m talking about are the ones on the back windshield that read “Stop behind open streetcar doors it’s the law!”
0:38 technica productions and he was on 4204
Believe me. You should keep them.
I remember riding them when I was younger I want it to come back
I will miss those streetcars
I hoped I'd get to ride these one day...oh well.
I'm glad I used these before they got retired
I could be wrong but were not these street cars (minus the TTC logos)used in the Original Late 1980's era Degrassi TV series? And as someone that been to Toronto several times, (most recently here in June 2019)it was cool riding these artic street cars a couple of times. Thus Happy Retirement.
PS Speaking as someone that as of this typing lives about 2 Hours from NYC, the New York MTA also has huge problems with aging subway/rapid transit cars as well. So those of you in Toronto, it's part of a larger issue of upgrading mass transit in many cities worldwide. Just shows how downhill that Montreal-based Bombardier has gone in recent years. Not that long ago, they were considered maybe the best in the world with building trains/subway and light rail cars.
These are almost about the same age as the Philadelphia ones 1980s era perhaps if you change the bogies from TTC Gauge to Pennsylvania Trolley gauge then you can run these in the Philadelphia streetcar Network which includes a tunnel section as a special train. Option two is give them to San Francisco for E & F trains
The SEPTA K-Cars lasted longer than the PCC-Streetcars they replaced. But many of them sound like they're not going last very long either.
I literally saw an old streetcar on the high park route a week ago :/
I miss the sound it made....memories
My mind: I'm 'bout to -end- restart this streetcars whole career.
Noooo, they were so cool looking
Those were in mighty machines
Why retire the ALRVs before the smaller CLRVs? They carry a similar amount to the new cars!
The last time I was riding on this is when I was In a school trip 2014.
i remember riding a street car in toronto ontario back in 1968 that is 54 years ago
1:17 New Flyer cap!
R.I.P Retro Streetcars
If it works keep it.
Seferino exactly
YAS that is what I want to hear
This is why whe have Trams from 1970 running un my City :D
they dont, theyre inaccesible
These are ALRV Streetcars
can't wait till winter rolls around and the new streetcars are stuck on the tracks, dead, blocking traffic.
again
Never happend. Bruh.
@@ttcclrvfan7027 you must work at bombardier lol
meanwhile, it happens even when its just cold outside, let alone winter.
the electric lines of the ancient 50+ year old streetcar (that are an eyesore to say the least) are far outdated and not geared for the current geography of this city.
also, notice 20 people agreed so far?
@@NoLeadsEnt Actually, the new streetcars dont die in the winter. They have ran in severe weather and snow and they fight it easy. Now these antique old streetcars cant stand the winter and they often die. And the 21 people who agree probably drive often and cant stand the fact of a longer streetcar at stops keeping them farther behind.. anyways..
@@ttcclrvfan7027 so, you're admitting that streetcars die in the storm and the new ones have not, yet.. correct?
&, as to make such a drastic assumption on the now 21 people who've up voted, id say you're stretching like a outdated streetcar on that one.. although you might be right on one or two( myself included lol) a margin of error to great to bet on, for sure though :D
that being said, electric buses can navigate the streets much more efficiently, and these all year bike lanes adding to the conundrum seem just as silly as those unappealing lines above most of the downtown's streets (for streetcars).
wouldn't you also agree?
all in all, i do appeal to your lack of disrespect and insult :D its nice to converse with logical people who are capable of common sense and reason; on youtube too no less lol.
@@NoLeadsEnt No. 6 electric buses died so far. Anyways *I am not hear to insult, I am just telling you what most transit riders would think* I find it strange how you start supporting electric buses yet you put down similar diesel buses. If you dont agree, you dont have to reply in such a weird format.
Ottawa doesn’t have this, but just new train
20 years that's how long it takes for TTC to upgrade...🤦🏻♂️
Fare evasion hurts everyone 😜
What difference does it make when those new streetcars still have issues? 🤦🏼♂️
Streetcars are supposed to last 30+ years.
There are trams in Europe that are older than these and still running around. 30+ years for this was good. With push for accessibility it's time for them to go.
We need mass rapid transit to solve congestion problems in Toronto.... We are still trying to hang onto the small city vibes at the cost of the people.
I think Pilsen (CZ) has oldest tram still operating in normal service from 1975 (It was modernised in 2000's tho). Also Liberec (also CZ) had in the end of 2018 few trams from 1950's that were still in normal service.
There is a town in eastern Germany that has trams from the early 1900s still in service
Naumburg
@@dornsmichel_1364 I think i saw those :D Very lovely
the tatra t3 is older than 75.
@@douglasrogers4675 Well... yes T3's were manufactured between 1960's and 1990's. But the oldest running car it self is from 1975. (But yes, the city had T3's in the 1960's but those cars were discarded during the 1990's and early 2000's)
And then there's linka 23 in Prague
In an alternate timeline where the maintenance program did keep the street cars in service for another decade wouldn’t that be nice?
Honestly, why can’t TTC be like New York where they keep so many retired vehicles and occasionally take them out for excursions? I mean TTC literally scraps all their Hawker Siddeley subway cars, and they sound so cool!
What will replace these historic beauties?
Shane Walters the new Bombardier streetcars will be the new streetcar beauties of T Dot the old CLRVs and ALRVs will be gone but not forgotten
I visited Toronto and I've never seen nor ridden the ALRVs.
You missed out.
eWorkx not really lol
@@giths19 Well, at least I got to see the CLRV's, which will retire by the end of the year.
@@Saucy-ws6jc I saw the CLRVs in action so that's good enough for me.
The new streetcars are also bendy
I remember going to Rogers Centre with these Old streetcars way better then those new ones
More buses? almost half streetcar routes are buses LOL
Picture a plug in hybird bus with a electric bar that can extend and link up with the street car electric line.
Can park in designated street car parking to charge bus when on break. Can run on electric line when on street car route then go electric/gas when off route.
Very sexy options that we wont do until someone else does.
The FRICKING 505
@@thesisko4031 You are literally talking about a trolleybus. Not sexy at all.
There doing the same mistake Ottawa did when they removed light rail track for bus. Now we’re rebuilding rail tracks to replace bus.
bro, in my city in poland we have 50 year old trams. they work like they should
Which city in Poland
@@detroitdieselseries5071 Basically every polish city with trams lol. Its the Konstal 105a and its from the 80s. so ok, maybe 40 years and not 50
@@mr.wyrzykowski7522 you know PKP cargo which still has Soviet M62s because those are modernized recently and not dumped
Get them preserved at Halton
_Who else didn’t know Bombardier made street cars?_
I was sad when Seattle got rid of the old Waterfront Streetcars.
At least they're now tearing down the viaduct that blocked the waterfront. I feel like I've heard somewhere that they might put streetcars on Alaskan Way, much like they have on Embarcadero Boulevard in San Francisco.
Ex Melbourne (Australia) W2 class trams ran on the waterfront :)
If these where rebuilt then should find a buyer to sell Vancouver can use a couple ship West
There have to be some museums in Canada willing to preserve them.
@@DTD110865 you must be thinking of the streetcars with the horse in front
@@briansokoloski776 No, I'm thinking of something a little more 20th Century, and somebody mentioned a museum that did on another thread.
Vancouver doesn't have any track for these?
@@lienuslatetips4894 there is a 1.8 mile track called the Olympic Line been abandoned for 8 years now
F for respect
👀
At least they are electric
You do realize power stations release green house gases, right? Well, except for Nuclear power.
@@Trainfan1055Janathan I guess you realize that ice automobiles releases their green house gases right in your face where you breath. One emitter at a distance is easier to control and capture the pollutants.
I was on it lol
toornto is still one of the lucky cities to retain its street car network when most cities in north america scrapped them all, thanks oil and GM!
TRAMS, TRAAAMS THEY'RE TRAMS
Trolly
we call them streetcars
different places
different names
TECHNICALLY, the new streetcars are bendy.
At least should keep one running
*Need Trams (Streetcars) like **_Bombardier_** manufactured for Nottingham Transit system (UK) These are absolutely brilliant, and way ahead of the ones in Toronto (which I have travelled on) Pity the Council spent so much in trying to keep obsolete cars running. **1:55** ($1 Million per car !) Sometimes it's far cheaper to scrap and get a new set of far more efficient wheels. Note these are built in Derby (UK) so post Brexit a great 'trade' deal for Canada, forever our close Friends in the UK*
its not the cost, its because nobody (city politician) knows left from right... they enjoy their 4 year jobs and keep it just so that once 3 and a half comes they make their plans for another 3 and a half
20 Million on those trash cans?!
Then they should have a shuttle for now to replace the street cars
Ah, Bombardier.
I live in London and have never specified an interest in trams, why is this on my Recommended feed...?
Have you ever been to Toronto? I have once and this is on my recommended list too. Maybe RUclips algorithms are written by people with tram fetishes?
@@cmartin_ok Lol. No problem, never been to Canada - I'd love to though! Google knows I'm visiting Chicago in October. Maybe it thought that was close enough!
@@alexanderpbyron Have fun in Chicago, I've been there once. Public transportation trains go from ORD O'Hare into the city centre. Watch for beggars/vagrants, never seen so many in one city as I saw in Chicago.
@@cmartin_ok Thanks for the details - will keep them in mind!
Didn’t Siemens create the new street cars?
Siemens did the ones in Seattle
@@CreatorPolar thanks
*Laughs in Budd Stainless Steel*
I always had this thing with the old ALRVs and CLRVs and that I would never get on one if the big stop sign on the back windshield was missing but I would always report it so they can bring it into the garage and slap one on there because sometimes when the replaced the glass on that side they would forget to replace the decal and I would either call in to TTC customer service or send an email to customer service telling them the fleet number of the streetcar so they knew what streetcar needed the decal and more often than not a few days later I would see the same streetcar with the same fleet number I reported about with a decal again but the new streetcars have new lights and such that do the same job as that decal did on the old streetcars so the newer ones don’t need the decals but not to say that new streetcars don’t have other decals that need up keeping when they get worn or missing because they do on the doors and some inside the streetcar even on the subways they have those decals on the doors that need replacing if they get worn or missing and so the busses and I always make a note of it and report it so it can get replaced on any TTC vehicle if I see it
The TTC kept using those for way too long. If they wanted to keep them they should’ve renovated them. Glad they are being retired. They need to renovate the T1’s or start mixing them with TR’s.
DarthTheGamer shut up.
Could they park them somewhere keep the heater on and let the homeless sit in them to warm up?
That Sad TTC Trolleys vehicles To Retirement Me Ben-Ami Love Clrv And Alrv Trolley Cars A Okay Taking Use it Trolleys Tour's This Will Be Fun
I mean theyre called trams but ok
we call them Streetcars
different places
different names
I can’t believe they wanted to keep those old streetcars longer.. those streetcars are outdated lol
These old cars are a sign of the waste and corrosion and rot that plagues the 6ix.
No corrosion get your "facts" right.
jason murph ur a sign of stupidity and disrespect
Laughs in proprietary track and bogey width
Just keep the CLRVs.
Don‘t do the same mistake like Munich! Keep as many of the old ones as possible until there are enough of the new Bombardier ones in the fleet! Replacing streetcars by buses is a joke!
What did they do on Munich?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
No more buses please!!!!
Streetcars should last around 50 years, not 30 years.
Harsh canadian enviroment, calgarys lrt cars only lasted about 30 years as well.
Now in califorina probably 50+.
@@friggerx3150 Sunny Calgary isn't as bad as Michigan.Maybe it's just kickbacks to Bombardier.Anyway,i guess it's their problem.
The street cars don't have to be a total lost ... the city can sell these refurbished street cars to developing city in a third world country. Or sell these cars to a smaller neighbouring city or to one of the cities in the Maritime Provinces. The city and taxpayers has sunk to much money into these cars to be just scrapped.
20mil to maintain aging ALRVs? I'm not trying to tell big decision makers how to do their jobs but why couldn't they fast track the electric buses program with that money? They could have used the electric buses on these same routes they are now using diesel buses.
Buses are more labor intensive than Streetcars
@@RRansomSmith I'm not talking in general I'm talking in this instant. They spent 20mil at 1mil a piece only to buy about 2 more years for the ALRVs. That was not money well spent. My point is they could have invested that money on new buses since they are already using buses to cover these routes until all the streetcars are delivered.
@@giths19 buses don't last as long as Streetcars and cost more over time so why waste that money when you could spend a little more and have a vehicle last way longer? There's a reason you are not the CFO.
And besides, buses don't carry the capacity nor do they accelerate as quickly as a streetcar so again, they did right.
You mean trams
we call them streetcars
different places
different names
SpeedRunner Man oh yeah and different cultures with your fun school events
How come nobody say anything about our beautiful busses, at least busses are more reliable and they don’t hold of the traffic
day1971 streetcars are Better.
Streetcars are better, they accommodate more people...
Streetcars don't get replaced every 10-15 years
Only people that dislike streetcars and bike lanes are car drivers. They don't use transit so how would they know what's good for the TTC anyway
Not necessarily true, since I'm a car driver and I've used streetcars in the Metro Philadelphia area. And I have nothing against bike lanes, as long as they're not used to obstruct other traffic.
For a lot of people Public Transportation doesnt make sense, some people its cheaper to own a car and have more time at home and less on the road.
I'm a car driver, and I think Streetcars are charming.
You know what... I loved the old street car the new one sucks smell so bad ... can’t open window smells so bad the new one
Streetcars are no fun to ride anymore 😥