How much faster is the 504 streetcar with the new rules on King Street?
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- Опубликовано: 13 ноя 2017
- While it is an adjustment for drivers, most streetcar riders are happy about the changes to King Street. Pam Seatle tested out the King streetcar route to see how much time commuters are saving thanks to the pilot project.
I'm an occasional driver, I just avoid King Street, there are hundreds of other streets that drivers can use. King Street was an appropriate choice as it carries more riders than the subway in the morning.
did anyone else see the taxi driver give the cameraman the finger at 2:20 or is that just me?
Singapore Pearl - yeah. If someone is acting bad it's automatically an immigrant. Ignorant logic
I live in Toronto, I am a vehicle owner, yes however drivers it's not the end of the world just take other roads, like Adelaide, or front. I do that, and I am a driver as well to the downtown core. I welcome this idea.
Sell your car and take the bus or streetcar to the subway.
QuarioQuario54321 you cant go camping on the subway, you cant go snowmobiling or drive out to ride your bike on cool new trails.
Selling your car traps you to city centers.
@@thesisko4031 Just don't drive to the city centre.
@@thesisko4031 As if rental cars don't exist.
@@thesisko4031 Its as if you forgot how to rent a car.
Yep, the needle isn't even flickering slightly on the sympathy meter toward car drivers.
Great plan with perfect results.
Greater good prevails for once!
green = depopulations
perception management
or there'd be noway'to move'cars
off'the road (ta'beginwith . .
asanòte;)
feelfree to'set your alarm for anytime
thatll wake'ya 'up
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covid'1984's pcr'swab
false'positive test
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covid n'the kingstreet project
('what could go'wrong with that' . .
I live in Scotland . Why on earth am I watching this
RUclips algorithm bro you must be in a city with light rail
Because Toronto is so exciting. And I watched a video about the Glasgow subway. So now the universe is in balance
qjtvaddict well Edinburgh does have trams and that’s where I live
same but finland
I live in New York...
Did anyone else notice the taxi driver at 2:22 giving the finger? LOOOOL!
@@Yohannesb9 ok look at euorpe, go to not just bikes channels and go on basicly any with talking about transport. you will see all the things you said are bad are quite good
@@Humulator If Canadas roads are not great for yourself go live in Europe.
Yay! TTC doesn't stand for Take The Car! (disclaimer: i live in america)
touts taxes comprise
Honestly, they should ban all vehicle traffic except deliveries and transit.
This should have been done ages ago!
this should be done on more streets
Even if you live far out the city, just drive to your nearest stop and get public transport from there. If you get the train, you'll skip the traffic and you'll help everyone else by making the roads quieter and more car free and reducing pollution.
@wantafanta01 Why will your car get broken into and graffiti sprayed on it at a transit stop over anywhere else?
Millions of people across the world park their cars outside stations across the world before riding public transport into the cities with no problems at all. I'm sure there are park and ride areas with CCTV and security.
Downtown should have more one way streets just like in New York
Maybe the TTC should build a ground level Jarvis streetcar. I 'd also de-crowd the subway by replace the Queen and Bathurst streetcars and buses with new subway lines, numbered 0 and 7 respectively.
Streetcars need stops instead of crossing from the street
streetcars move thousands of people per hour. cars move hundreds. its a no-brainer
Need more transit and less cars
I Concur (Apart from greenhouse gases, but Screaming kids on cars)
This project does not help because all taxi line up on King Street West from Bathrust to Spidina from 10:00PM to midnight blocking 504 streetcar making me to wait about 30 minutes and ride few stops from Bathrust to Spadina like 20 minutes. Taxi stand on streetcar stops blocking access to the streetcar and endangering me.
let uber take care of the taxis
Is this a solution or a shifting
john son of Morris Shifting can be a solution. It depends on the problem.
depops
perception'management
inshellgame'101' . .
doesn't look like cars are allowed to park on king street at the moment with these new rules (correct me if i'm wrong because i haven't driven on king street yet), but if cars are not allowed to park on king street why not allow drivers to use the right lane only and have street cars use the left lane, one lane for cars is better than none right? the only problem would be when cars want to turn left off of king street they would have to cross into the street car lane, or maybe not allow left turns off of king street 🤷🏻♂️
Took the 514 on Tuesday at 5:30 pm, was still not impressed; I still found it slow and overcrowding is still a problem. There were still vehicles on the road. I didn't find it at all to be a "ghost town" like how the business owners are saying.
Make Downtown and Streetcars Routes Full occupancy Areas only. Must pay for a TTC full Fare for every empty sit to use the area. Use the money Collected to improve Public transportation.
how about if you live downtown and are trying to leave the city. Do u still gotta pay?
You pay when drive back home
Why is it even possible to drive on the tram tracks? This completely undermines the use of the tracks. Also why are there no platform at the stops? People are just exiting on the car lane?
I'm 2 years late, but I'll explain.
Old Toronto's streets predate the car, which is why our streets are narrow. The streetcar/tram tracks were installed during the late 1800s. Street running was the standard, because there was nothing else in terms of traffic. (Other than the occasional horse, and pedestrians). Because our system hasn't changed in terms of layout, it's impossible to place platforms on certain streets without impeding traffic. You also can't add a barrier on the tram tracks due to limited space. The only viable solution is to heavily restrict car traffic in the downtown core.
@@moho472 No its the fact that there are already 4 lanes on the road so taking 2 away from cars should give the trams a free flow without cars.
@@Mgameing123 You can't put barriers on 4 lane concession roads in Old Toronto. Having a single lane in each direction with little to no clearance room would severely affect response times for emergency services. The roads are too narrow. The only solution towards improving streetcar traffic is to reduce the amount of cars on the road. Congestion pricing is a good way of disincentivising traffic.
@@moho472 Just ban cars on the streetcar tracks then allow emergency vehicles & buses on it. But yeah we also need to reduce the amount of cars.
@@Mgameing123 It wouldn't work, because vehicles could potentially be trapped in-between two streetcars going in opposite directions. If they tried to go back onto the street and the roads are congested, there's no way the vehicle can pass without cars driving onto the sidewalk. You see barriers on St.Clair, Spadina, and Queen's Quay because the concession roads are wide enough to allow clearances (in the case of Queen's Quay, the streetcar track alignments are all on one side, rather than in the middle). The viable solution is to reduce car traffic, because those roads (and tracks) existed well before the invention of the car
And Toronto should add one subway station every year and it would grow to serve more people. And it should be fully automated with smart cards. Look at the Taipei subway for good ideas
Toronto is building 20 new subway station a long eglinton right now.
Reagan Pup excellent! Finally doing something Lastman killed 30 years ago
@@jamesl9371 Yes it a massive project that's 30 years over due, but it's getting done now.
Reagan Pup but I saw another video that looks like they are making street car lanes. Are they building a subway or street cars? I will visit Toronto again some time but don’t know when
@@jamesl9371 I'm near yonge and eglinton and it's all underground. They have been drilling. I think the outer limits of the line may be above ground. I think near Don Mills it may go from a tunnel to a surface track. I don't know where it would surface on the western portion, maybe allen road?
Once you are East of leaside it does make sense to go above ground. It's not as dense out there and I'm sure the Don Valley is too deep.
they should limit the cars on king, then it would be like the 1920s
Why not a monorail? :)
Have them underground
There have been numerous attempts to put a subway under Queen, to the point that there are ghost stations under Queen. Metrolinx and the province are (or were) looking at a Downtown Relief Line to ease congestion on Line 2 and that would run under Queen.
That would cost billions and take well over a decade to build. If you have extra money for it, donate!
Muhammad Ahmed IF there’s population density, it may happen, but right now there isn’t, so it won’t.
Muhammad Ahmed The key is population density, not the total amount of people. North American cities are very spread out, with most residents living in the suburbs or rural areas. Public transport is very inefficient in those settings, and very expensive.
swaag
Here's an idea hop on the subway then take a bus south
BlackBox863 These streetcar lines are also called relief lines. They ease congestion from the Bloor-Danforth Subway line.
Uh ? King goes east and west.
Alstom
What if they just spent more money and put the streetcars underground. I forget what it's called, but it's like a subterranean railway. I think cities should really think about investing in these subterranean railways, because it creates quick, reliable transit without sacrificing necessary roadways for cars.
Often when they do that, they tend to put fewer stops underground than initially overground, so you have bigger walking distances to the next station. Adding the time needed to go down to the platform and back up, it usually makes the journey longer and less convenient.
Elevated lines can be done to eliminate street traffic
@@qjtvaddict North America is resistant to elevated lines in city centres. Only Chicago has an elevated rail system in its city centre in all of North America, and any system that still maintains elevated track keeps them in lower-density areas away from the centre. The TTC would not want that and the province and the city both would definitely not want that.
A subterranean railway.. A railterranean?
putting them underground is expensive
there needs to be more cars during peak hours
Why don’t you just put it up in the air like a bridge that cars can drive under
Because that ruins the street for pedestrians. We don't have to cram cars on every street. Toronto is a big city, they should focus on mass transit.
have you heard of the gardiener expressway?
More than one hundred year ago we put the street car under the road suface in Budapest! Fast and seemless!
MrNohab Budapest is full of trams on the streets. What helps Budapest is that it has very wide avenues due to its original Hapsburg planning. It’s the sane in Vienna. Now imagine running trams through the small streets of the Jewish quarter, where even trolleys get stuck!
If you're talking about a subway, Toronto already has that.
That is our Mayor hard at work. He will fix one problem just to cause another one and tell everybody how great he is. Guy doesn't like facts and just likes to put band-aids over problems so he can say he did something.
This is from like, 2017...
@@kauske And Adelaide, Richmond and Queen have all been nightmares to drive across since.
Have you _tried_ taking public transit instead?
@@kauske Not everybody can take public transit. On a slow day I got to visit 5 sites a day. While I do have to cover the entire province, a lot of my work is in Toronto. And to be honest, the TTC isn't reliable enough to use for the kind of work I do. Especially in the winter months.
@@legacy1X yes! everyone should get out of the streetcar and drive cars... because king street can easily accomodate 25,000 more cars
Move out of GTA
The Streetcar Can’t take over king street
Why do Americans and Canadians call them street cars? Like it makes no sense. They're trams. We as Brits made em, call em what they're called already 😒 I mean seriously: street - car? What? It's not a car. Would make more sense to call them bus on rails or something.
It's a train car. Train car on a street = street car. Interestingly in Japanese, a tram is 路面電車 which means "road surface train" or "road surface electric car".
Because until 1940 the US and Canada had extensive tram/streetcar networks that were decades old until they were removed, and the term used from the 1870s forward was "streetcar". Only Toronto maintained its mostly-intact system to the present era (even though Philadelphia alone also has legacy lines; Boston has exactly one set of lines integrated into its transport network).
Corey Reid None of what you’ve said answers his question, so why did you write all that? Just trying to sound smart? It’d be smarter to just answer what he asked: WHY are they called “streetcars” and not “trans”?
Get rid of bloody streetcars you get rid of traffic on king!!!! What's the point of this if you're creating more traffic on the other streets!?
Have you seen images of how much space car drivers take up in a street, per person compared to other modes of transport like bikes, buses and yes streetcars? Also if there's one thing we can learn from Europe it's that it's the cars that are the problem. Honestly just turn the entirety of king street into a pedestrian Boulevard with no cars and just people, their bikes and public transportation and give those who so desperately want to go by car, a place to park in the suburbs right up against subway stations and streetcar stops!
@Craig F. Thompson oh my God, I just read it, how did it even manage to get through? All I can say for sure is that my phone's autocorrection is a mess.
Too bad there isn't a streetcar that doesn't need to run on rails and can drive around slower traffic and obstacles and didn't require tearing up roads to implement - some kind of omnibus vehicle that performed the duties of a tram but ran on pneumatic tires instead. 🤔
@@Mikey-xz4vn Teust me, there comes a breaking point for buses where they can't handle the demand anymore. It's from there it's best to upgrade the line to a streetcar or lightrail system. But Toronto already has that, it's an incredibly valuable asset, so don't go tearing them up just because you think it'll be better in the moment. It won't. All those streetcar riders would then have to take their cars or the buses which would just make the problem of congestion even worse. I know because that's exactly what happened in tons of European cities across the 60's and 70's!
@@Mikey-xz4vn And have much less capacity & is very uncomfortable compared to a tram?
streetcars r selfish
Streetcars are the opposite of selfish they are communal by nature. Cars are selfish. Most cars have one one passenger too which is by definition selfish.
@@ILiketoRidemyBike And the number of passengers per car actually declines in the vast majority of cities during peak, so cars use more space per person when space is most needed.
@Craig F. Thompson Because it's just one car! (ignore the fact that that one car is carrying several dozen people, which is far more efficient than cars)
@Craig F. Thompson Yeah, just using the terrible logic of the car people
Actually, cars are selfish they usually carry only one person
get rid of streetcars already.
Michael Lam no
For what?
They work better than anything else on that street.
Streetcars/Trams are soo much better than buses
Street cars are fantastic!
@Adrian Hoiland yes Trams are better because they usually have their own space, while buses just get stuck in traffic