That's a frickin CPU cooler heatsink xd Pretty much never noticed a difference while loading/installing stuff going from SATA SSD to M.2 however HDD to SATA SSD oh boi. Average user doesn't need anything faster really but M.2 is handy when you are moving bunch of movies or something. Awsum video informative
I recently got the Crucial T705, it's fast but l don't notice enough difference from a Gen4 drive to recommend it because of the cost. I use the Thermalright HR10 2280 PRO Black SSD Cooler with it, works great and stay cool.
I get much better speeds using a portion of system RAM as drive cache. I allocate 2-4GB of DDR4 3200Mhz RAM for the cache and I get 20GBs even on external HDD. I use Romex software to create and manage the cache. Its really great on the portable drives but to be honest on my 4X4 7300MBs m.2 drives its hard to notice a difference. Cool vid.
Based on your experience, it is a waste of RAM because when you run the benchmark, it shows RAM transfer speed. The HDD will still be a huge bottleneck, so it's more cost-effective to get a 16 Gb Intel Optane or a 64 Gb SSD and use it as a cache for the HDD and leave the RAM for more important tasks.
That's because the onboard cache is only for improving write speeds so it won't load anything faster. Without cache nand ssds have about 10x slower write speeds than read speeds.
And even further, if you don´t have the game´s installation stored on a local drive, most people can´t even fully utualize an oldschool Sata-SDD due to limited download speed. I got 5MB internet meaning, installing from Steam I can´t even fully utualize the full oldschool SATA-speed (they can write about 5.3MB); you need to have a 1gb line at least to make it a difference during online installations, because that´s the NVMe speeds we´re talking about with gen5. So why bothering about a giant NVMe which requires at least a Gigabit connection to really feel a difference? And which server is putting such giants into their servers? For most, 3Gen NVMe are probably still doing just fine and will so for the next decade.
Just the size of the heatsink, no I don´t want gen5 NVMe unless you´re doing tonns of writing and reading from the NVMe even gen4 isn´t really worth it over gen3 NVMe´s. And regarding gaming performance? You missed something which also relates to installation speeds where the faster NVMe could benefit even more in certain tasks: CPU cache which also matters for zip/unzip pretty much every game is using. You download e.g 125GB but after install the game is almost 190GB, maybe because you´re unpacking a bunch of heavily compressed files? But there obiously is a balance bewteen IPC and Cache mattering for compression: huge cache doesn´t help when the CPU is too slow, you need the horsepower to actually utualize Cache.
Quick answer for Gaming: no It is a matter of how the developer coded and mapped the file . And how chunks of files are loaded from SSD to CPU to RAM to GPU. If anything, PCIe Gen 3 NVMe SSD can still win against PCIe Gen 5 NVMe SSD if the game is utilizing Microsoft Direct Storage API running from NVMe Gen3, compared to a game that's not using Direct Storage API at all running from NVMe Gen5. Basically Microsoft Direct Storage allows Graphics Card skipping direction of File request from CPU and RAM to access SSD directly.
Jesus the iops are terrible, my 1.5tb optain drive has rnd4k reads of 68768 and rnd4k writes of 50910. consider doing this test with a drive with lower latency instead of one that takes a thousand years to push the larger files out faster, and without cutting your gpu lanes!
It would be awesome if you could test this drive against sata ssd and in more games, i wonder if there is a difference in fps and loading times, pcie 4.0 ssd's are still overkill for games so naturally there wont be a difference in fps and even loading times
The diminishing or very small increase in gaming and load time performance between different gens of nvme drives was already documented. Anyway its important to recheck it with latest and greatest one and productivity users can definitely profit from getting this one. Although they can run some kind of RAID and use of 2 or 4 of these could bring some physical installation problems. But that heatsink is ridiculous, I can't imagine nvme 6.0 one 😅. Get ready for jet fighter blower fan. Already nvme 4.0 were getting hot. Mine 3.0 one is surprisingly hotter under mainboard nvme heatsink probably thanks to being placed between gpu and cpu. Another one 250G same model without heatsink but below gpu is few degree C cooler. 👉 I am curious how are Windows boot times affected. Mine WD Blue nvme 3.0 500GB does good job with i3-10100f boots in 6,4s (optimized, untra fast boot in BIOS, no login). Btw I am suspicious that mainly that 4K random read and write performance does main job when it comes to overall performance.
Ads be like: Introducing our NVME 4x6.0, it comes with his own 240mm or 360mm radiator. Thermalright: Introducing our new Peerless Assassin 120 NVMe Edition dual tower cooler for your SSD.
I went from 30 second boots to 20 second boots upgrading from the wd sn850x (premium gen 4 ssd) to the optane p1600x. Ofc optanes are in a league of their own in performance and you pay that in the very small capacities but for $60 to get a way faster system after putting the OS, cache files, virtual memory etc on it was so worth it imo.
It's ddr3 speeds, fast but probably still slower due to latency, so the benefits of having alot of storage for paging file is less, than just buying more ram and sata ssd.
understatement of the century, the latency is the main bottleneck in normal ram already (hasn't improved since ddr2) the system wouldn't work at all with ssd latency lmao.
I am building the stupidest and most powerful gaming PC that I can possibly make. Sparing no expense and trying to the best of my knowledge to get the fastest, best performing possible component for each part of it. Rewarding myself for doing well with business after some really hard times in life that I thought would never end. These were finally available in the U.S. where I could find, and for the storage of the build I just got 3x of the 2tb that I plan on putting in RAID 0 . So dumb but awesome and I can't wait!
That's a frickin CPU cooler heatsink xd Pretty much never noticed a difference while loading/installing stuff going from SATA SSD to M.2 however HDD to SATA SSD oh boi. Average user doesn't need anything faster really but M.2 is handy when you are moving bunch of movies or something. Awsum video informative
I recently got the Crucial T705, it's fast but l don't notice enough difference from a Gen4 drive to recommend it because of the cost. I use the Thermalright HR10 2280 PRO Black SSD Cooler with it, works great and stay cool.
Awesome work, very professional and super clean camera work. What camera do you use?
Thanks appreciate it, I use a Nikon Z50
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Looks more like my Grand Father's Crypt Locker than an ultra fast nvme SSD
Final Opinion: Measurably faster, but not noticeably faster.
I get much better speeds using a portion of system RAM as drive cache. I allocate 2-4GB of DDR4 3200Mhz RAM for the cache and I get 20GBs even on external HDD. I use Romex software to create and manage the cache. Its really great on the portable drives but to be honest on my 4X4 7300MBs m.2 drives its hard to notice a difference. Cool vid.
Based on your experience, it is a waste of RAM because when you run the benchmark, it shows RAM transfer speed. The HDD will still be a huge bottleneck, so it's more cost-effective to get a 16 Gb Intel Optane or a 64 Gb SSD and use it as a cache for the HDD and leave the RAM for more important tasks.
That's because the onboard cache is only for improving write speeds so it won't load anything faster. Without cache nand ssds have about 10x slower write speeds than read speeds.
how fast is windows are booting up?
And even further, if you don´t have the game´s installation stored on a local drive, most people can´t even fully utualize an oldschool Sata-SDD due to limited download speed. I got 5MB internet meaning, installing from Steam I can´t even fully utualize the full oldschool SATA-speed (they can write about 5.3MB); you need to have a 1gb line at least to make it a difference during online installations, because that´s the NVMe speeds we´re talking about with gen5. So why bothering about a giant NVMe which requires at least a Gigabit connection to really feel a difference? And which server is putting such giants into their servers? For most, 3Gen NVMe are probably still doing just fine and will so for the next decade.
Just the size of the heatsink, no I don´t want gen5 NVMe unless you´re doing tonns of writing and reading from the NVMe even gen4 isn´t really worth it over gen3 NVMe´s. And regarding gaming performance? You missed something which also relates to installation speeds where the faster NVMe could benefit even more in certain tasks: CPU cache which also matters for zip/unzip pretty much every game is using. You download e.g 125GB but after install the game is almost 190GB, maybe because you´re unpacking a bunch of heavily compressed files? But there obiously is a balance bewteen IPC and Cache mattering for compression: huge cache doesn´t help when the CPU is too slow, you need the horsepower to actually utualize Cache.
which is the fastest between MSI Spatium M580, Corsair MP700 PRO SE, Crucial T705, and Apacer AS2280F4?
Quick answer for Gaming: no
It is a matter of how the developer coded and mapped the file . And how chunks of files are loaded from SSD to CPU to RAM to GPU.
If anything, PCIe Gen 3 NVMe SSD can still win against PCIe Gen 5 NVMe SSD if the game is utilizing Microsoft Direct Storage API running from NVMe Gen3, compared to a game that's not using Direct Storage API at all running from NVMe Gen5.
Basically Microsoft Direct Storage allows Graphics Card skipping direction of File request from CPU and RAM to access SSD directly.
Yes but you have to look at IOPS and small size performance, 4K and such. Hence Optanes were destroying anything else.
Jesus the iops are terrible, my 1.5tb optain drive has rnd4k reads of 68768 and rnd4k writes of 50910.
consider doing this test with a drive with lower latency instead of one that takes a thousand years to push the larger files out faster, and without cutting your gpu lanes!
Yeah exactly. My optane p1600x does 115k qd1 read iops and 88k qd1 write iops. This ssd does about 25k.
It would be awesome if you could test this drive against sata ssd and in more games, i wonder if there is a difference in fps and loading times, pcie 4.0 ssd's are still overkill for games so naturally there wont be a difference in fps and even loading times
The diminishing or very small increase in gaming and load time performance between different gens of nvme drives was already documented.
Anyway its important to recheck it with latest and greatest one and productivity users can definitely profit from getting this one.
Although they can run some kind of RAID and use of 2 or 4 of these could bring some physical installation problems.
But that heatsink is ridiculous, I can't imagine nvme 6.0 one 😅. Get ready for jet fighter blower fan.
Already nvme 4.0 were getting hot. Mine 3.0 one is surprisingly hotter under mainboard nvme heatsink probably thanks to being placed between gpu and cpu. Another one 250G same model without heatsink but below gpu is few degree C cooler.
👉 I am curious how are Windows boot times affected.
Mine WD Blue nvme 3.0 500GB does good job with i3-10100f boots in 6,4s (optimized, untra fast boot in BIOS, no login).
Btw I am suspicious that mainly that 4K random read and write performance does main job when it comes to overall performance.
Ads be like: Introducing our NVME 4x6.0, it comes with his own 240mm or 360mm radiator.
Thermalright: Introducing our new Peerless Assassin 120 NVMe Edition dual tower cooler for your SSD.
I went from 30 second boots to 20 second boots upgrading from the wd sn850x (premium gen 4 ssd) to the optane p1600x. Ofc optanes are in a league of their own in performance and you pay that in the very small capacities but for $60 to get a way faster system after putting the OS, cache files, virtual memory etc on it was so worth it imo.
My CPU heatsink didn't have an NVME SSD with it, i think I’ve been had!...
It's ddr3 speeds, fast but probably still slower due to latency, so the benefits of having alot of storage for paging file is less, than just buying more ram and sata ssd.
understatement of the century, the latency is the main bottleneck in normal ram already (hasn't improved since ddr2) the system wouldn't work at all with ssd latency lmao.
Load times are not as important as how fast data is being received & sent from your ssd while playing games
gta 5 is THE benchmark to test for storage
The fastest ssds are optanes and it's not even close, especially in terms of gaming performance seeing their latency is 5-10x lower
I am building the stupidest and most powerful gaming PC that I can possibly make. Sparing no expense and trying to the best of my knowledge to get the fastest, best performing possible component for each part of it. Rewarding myself for doing well with business after some really hard times in life that I thought would never end.
These were finally available in the U.S. where I could find, and for the storage of the build I just got 3x of the 2tb that I plan on putting in RAID 0 .
So dumb but awesome and I can't wait!
I wish technology would slow down so I can stop
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