I’m just starting my MA in Defense and Strategic Studies at the University of Missouri. So, I’m not as well versed on the topic but I do come from a history background. I think our biggest mistake in Iraq and Afghanistan (I would include Vietnam as well) is that the U.S. tends to get into these wars Where we don’t fully understand the culture and internal politics of the country. I think we too often look where we failed and not what the other side did well. I’d even go as far as to say we don’t really ask whether the war was even winnable at all. I think you made a great point about our idea of what freedom looks like and how that’s not necessarily going to be the same everywhere else.
As David Kilcullen says in his book Counterinsurgency: “…understand in detail what drives the conflict in any given area or with any given population. This implies the need to constantly update that understanding as the environment shifts, to develop solid partnerships with reliable local allies…” he goes on to say: “…act with respect for local people, putting the wellbeing of noncombatant civilians ahead of any other consideration, even-in fact, especially-ahead of killing the enemy.” These, according to Kilcullen, are the two basic fundamentals of counterinsurgency.
@@GleepGlorp19 ...... that makes sense, treating people as human beings with dignity and respecting their needs...... This seems well beyond the capabilities of the globalist power hungry kooks in the current administration who are also sprinkled throughout the government (in both parties and including the mainstream media).
Its complicated in today's world especially to the developed countries who are supposed to be exemplary to the IHL. Should the developed countries follow the IHL which they developed, they will not win COIN warfare yet if they don't follow, then the world population and insurgents will raise voices against them. Its a COIN Dilemma. All in all, I agree that set a thief, to catch a thief is the only approach.
The tactics don't matter, it's the strategic context that matters. In the cases of Vietnam and Iraq, it didn't matter how well-thought-out of benevolent our tactics were, the strategic environment made the wars unwinnable.
Thanks for this great video. At 1:14 I slightly disagree with the fact that wining would mean that you create a situation that continue when you leave. I would say it is creating a situation where the insurgents are cut from the population. So that if you are the local government you can live with the rest of the insurgents until they stop. Or, if you are a foreign army a situation that allows you to leave. In Irak I would say the US COIN campaign did not have time to be implemented, so we do not know. But the US were successful thanks to the Sahwa movement. ISIS was another war. And the US wound again. Both times by not really taking care about human rights. I would add that the US could not win in Afghanistan. Especially when they tried to create a liberal government respecting human rights there. If you try to defend human rights in a country like that you will have a lot of guys ready to die to prevent you from doing that because it is against their religion. Answer to your questions at the end: nation building is the most stupid idea the US ever had. It cannot work. COIN can only win by not completely forgetting human dignity (especially to use it as propaganda) but not respecting liberalism and human rights. COIN is neither a strategy or operational art, it is a doctrine to win a non conventional war against insurgents. PS : Malaysia is not the only example of success, there is also Cameroon and in a way Algeria for the french (until they decided that there problem was not to keep Algeria but to make sure that the Algerians would not become french citizens).
I think you completely overlook the fact that we have an Insurgency going on in our very own country. What we are witnessing is not based on stupidity and ineptness but is rather, carefully planned out and calculated with many years of preparation behind it with the groundwork being laid many years ago and then the patience to see it through which is now coming to fruition. If anything, the Frog has woken up and is jumping out of the pot but the question is... will it be in time? With regards to what happened with Israel in the past and also with the Indians in America, I think you need to study and learn about the Abrahamic Covenant and the significance that has played with regard to the tribes of Israel from their overthrow by the Assyrians and the Babylonians, to the destruction of those you deem as the American Indian and the Abrahamic Covenant which is over the United States as well which is still in force over this land and it determines the course of the United States to this day and its destiny.
Nooo You have a great history lesson but your conclusion was sht. Coin manual itself tells you Not to insert your iwn morals/ideals into the population and gives an exact warning against asserting your form of legitimacy through government structure. Also except a few grievances mostly the Taliban which is seen as a legitimate form of government hasn't attacked American troops in 2 years even after taking over and when Isis bombed the evacuees and the Taliban shot them, the Taliban being the main force of government who do not want to kill us and are permanently suppressing our enemies counts in my book as a win. It's why usa spent the last 2 years training them in government as it was clear the Manchurian candidate approach under Obama era ideas was never going to work.
I’m just starting my MA in Defense and Strategic Studies at the University of Missouri. So, I’m not as well versed on the topic but I do come from a history background. I think our biggest mistake in Iraq and Afghanistan
(I would include Vietnam as well) is that the U.S. tends to get into these wars
Where we don’t fully understand the culture and internal politics of the country. I think we too often look where we failed and not what the other side did well. I’d even go as far as to say we don’t really ask whether the war was even winnable at all. I think you made a great point about our idea of what freedom looks like and how that’s not necessarily going to be the same everywhere else.
As David Kilcullen says in his book Counterinsurgency: “…understand in detail what drives the conflict in any given area or with any given population. This implies the need to constantly update that understanding as the environment shifts, to develop solid partnerships with reliable local allies…” he goes on to say: “…act with respect for local people, putting the wellbeing of noncombatant civilians ahead of any other consideration, even-in fact, especially-ahead of killing the enemy.” These, according to Kilcullen, are the two basic fundamentals of counterinsurgency.
@@GleepGlorp19 ...... that makes sense, treating people as human beings with dignity and respecting their needs......
This seems well beyond the capabilities of the globalist power hungry kooks in the current administration who are also sprinkled throughout the government (in both parties and including the mainstream media).
Excellent lecture on COIN!
Hey man, thanks for doing this video.
Its interesting to see how we behave in this angle, I wish I could study wars!!
Very interesting, appreciate it
Excellent
Its complicated in today's world especially to the developed countries who are supposed to be exemplary to the IHL. Should the developed countries follow the IHL which they developed, they will not win COIN warfare yet if they don't follow, then the world population and insurgents will raise voices against them. Its a COIN Dilemma. All in all, I agree that set a thief, to catch a thief is the only approach.
Hi I recently came across your channel and give positive remarks on it. I would really appreciate a topic on the Taliban.
The tactics don't matter, it's the strategic context that matters. In the cases of Vietnam and Iraq, it didn't matter how well-thought-out of benevolent our tactics were, the strategic environment made the wars unwinnable.
Can you do one on nonviolent insurgency?
Thx man
The guerrilla is more than just swimming in the ocean of the population, they are part of the ocean…
Thanks for this great video. At 1:14 I slightly disagree with the fact that wining would mean that you create a situation that continue when you leave. I would say it is creating a situation where the insurgents are cut from the population. So that if you are the local government you can live with the rest of the insurgents until they stop. Or, if you are a foreign army a situation that allows you to leave.
In Irak I would say the US COIN campaign did not have time to be implemented, so we do not know. But the US were successful thanks to the Sahwa movement. ISIS was another war. And the US wound again. Both times by not really taking care about human rights.
I would add that the US could not win in Afghanistan. Especially when they tried to create a liberal government respecting human rights there. If you try to defend human rights in a country like that you will have a lot of guys ready to die to prevent you from doing that because it is against their religion.
Answer to your questions at the end: nation building is the most stupid idea the US ever had. It cannot work. COIN can only win by not completely forgetting human dignity (especially to use it as propaganda) but not respecting liberalism and human rights. COIN is neither a strategy or operational art, it is a doctrine to win a non conventional war against insurgents.
PS : Malaysia is not the only example of success, there is also Cameroon and in a way Algeria for the french (until they decided that there problem was not to keep Algeria but to make sure that the Algerians would not become french citizens).
“Import and dilute” you say? Fascinating.
I think you completely overlook the fact that we have an Insurgency going on in our very own country.
What we are witnessing is not based on stupidity and ineptness but is rather, carefully planned out and calculated with many years of preparation behind it with the groundwork being laid many years ago and then the patience to see it through which is now coming to fruition.
If anything, the Frog has woken up and is jumping out of the pot but the question is... will it be in time?
With regards to what happened with Israel in the past and also with the Indians in America, I think you need to study and learn about the Abrahamic Covenant and the significance that has played with regard to the tribes of Israel from their overthrow by the Assyrians and the Babylonians, to the destruction of those you deem as the American Indian and the Abrahamic Covenant which is over the United States as well which is still in force over this land and it determines the course of the United States to this day and its destiny.
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No mention of Operation Phoenix and the Ace of spades and other death squads. Pure nonsense to not touch on this.
Nooo You have a great history lesson but your conclusion was sht. Coin manual itself tells you Not to insert your iwn morals/ideals into the population and gives an exact warning against asserting your form of legitimacy through government structure. Also except a few grievances mostly the Taliban which is seen as a legitimate form of government hasn't attacked American troops in 2 years even after taking over and when Isis bombed the evacuees
and the Taliban shot them, the Taliban being the main force of government who do not want to kill us and are permanently suppressing our enemies counts in my book as a win. It's why usa spent the last 2 years training them in government as it was clear the Manchurian candidate approach under Obama era ideas was never going to work.