Suffering Historically in HOI4’s Most Painful Mod
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It's finally time. BLACK ICE!
What if you were FORCED into being historical in Hearts of Iron 4? What if you played the Black Ice, the hardest mod ever made, in HOI4 as Germany, and could only use the actual historical designs, presets, and battleplans?
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I've been on a HOI4 binge of using only the historical presets given by Paradox, alongside accurate, historical division organization. Can I do the same as the Germans in the wonderful Black Ice mod, filled with memes and endless historicity and accuracy, and win the war?
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The addition of Historical presets into Hearts of Iron IV was an awesome thing for massive history nerds like myself. Now, I play REALLY historically, using only the stupid tanks and planes that happened in real life! I'm aiming to do this with EVERY country in the game (or at least every major) so let me know a good suggestion down in the comments for more countries to play!
Video title:
Black Ice Germany! But only Historical Presets & Divisions In HOI4?
Previous video in this series:
WW1 Russia, but only Historical Presets & Divisions In HOI4?
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Happy birthday to you then
That skit was actually awesome.
C'mon Aldrahill! When is that Historical Templates; Italy WW1 Video!
@@theromanempire._.4912 Thank you so much! :D
It was so historical he lost
I'm a slave to history!
@@Aldrahillthey say insanity is repeating the same actions expecting different results. True insanity is repaying the same actions while expecting the same result.🗿
@@Aldrahill "You solely are responsible for this".
@kevalyarathore223 womp womp, don't look at comments then
@@jordanpdoesstuff1688
No lil bro meant ww2 spoilers he is still on learning about 1942
The commitment to historical in this video. You didn't need to do the historical ending as well!
He is truly a slave to history
The mod is actually incredibly awful at being historical due to there being 99999 more things to research and them restricting most your research slots to certain categories. Depending on your nation, you're also forced to invest a lot (if not all) of your construction potential into making food, electricity, etc, which completely messes up the pacing and timelines.
@@Coecoo true I had manualy start WW2 as the US as Germany didnt start in 1939 so it started in like may of 1940
A black ice collab would go so crazy! a player for each major military department sounds like a nightmare to run and spectacle to watch
Ah yes the Air Force tank divisions😂
@@LOL-zu1zr Combined arms specialist
one guy running construction so everyone has to ask him to build what ever they need, one guy running production and everyone has to beg him to make what they need, then one guy running the spy agency who is only loyal to the guy running the focus tree, then you got the heads of army, navy and air. 'ah what a mess'
I'd join that
@@DrSeuss-sf3cn Also I have to literally shoot myself at the end to be super historical
I think i speak for a fair majority of the people enjoying this series when I say we want more black ice. Maybe having a Collab with multiple people to represent the different branches and all that would not only make it more historical, but also make it easier so you don't make mistakes
Thank you! It’s definitely on the list!!
@@Aldrahillif you do that do it for Japan or Germany so you can have inter service rivalries.
@@Aldrahill Imagine if you could get TommyKay to play Black Ice with you it would be so peak
BlackIce Roleplay fr
@@jimmothy3012 japan with a seppuku mod
Fucking hoi4 mental health crisis.
35:16 "Do you want total war?!" "Nah."
fun fact
in real life oil production in Romania was about ~6mln tonnes a year
compare that to USSR at ~29mln tonnes and USA at fucking 170mln tonnes
Romania alone would never be enough to solve German oil problems is what I'm saying
Good point, and very true! I think I just overbuilt refineries as well though
Whats funny is the Germans had an oil deficit pre France invasion in mid 40'. They made that deficit worse by conquering the West and North. Haha. The occupied territories knocked them even more out of balance as they could only take from occupied territories so much or the economies would shut down. Always found that humerous. They really did need to capture the East. Just like Japan needed the Dutch East Indies.
@@jonny-b4954another interesting thing i read was in summer 1940 the germans managed to capture the majority of the french and belgian oil, so they ran mostly on french oil for quite a bit of tue war
I'd rather survive in the forests of Lagos than do this challenge
It was, indeed, hellishly painful xD
Lagos is a megacity where tf you gonna find a forest?
@@RK-cj4oc I think they meant Laos
15:45 There was a joke going around during ww2 in czech lands, that half of wehrmacht was armed by them
I can believe it!!
it's certainly a strong contender
czechoslovakia gave germany a lot in tanks mostly, allowing them to do the tank storm of 1939-41, small arms were probably not in rest either but outside of LMGs (before that they were still using a lot of LMG 08/15) probably didn't play as much a role, uncertain for artillery as outside of the Lt.vz.35/38 and the pzjgr1, i don't remember germany using much czech guns
@@quentintin1 I can't answer as to the proportion of the German Artillery that was Czech made, but they certainly used quite a bit of Czech made Artillery and Anti-Tank guns. I don't think it was as influential as the Czech tanks were for supplying the Wehrmacht, but it wasn't insignificant that's for sure.
They did produce a lot of rifles that the Germans were happy to use
In BICE. there's actually a "Historical Unit" setting at the bottom of the custom game tab. it makes historical division for you(Not too accurate)spawn at the time when that division was initially formed. but it's doesn't work for most nation... except for German and Soviet and British I think
Oh… my god. WHAT I didn’t see this
@@Aldrahill😂😂😂 Poor Soldier
"I'm gonna have to pull back the entirety of the Atlantic wall just to try and contain the soviets" honestly
pretty historically accurate
just a little early
For defensive, you went historically correct, since germans didn't really develop new defensive doctrines since ww1 and focused mainly on experiences from ww1 eastern fromt, where war of movement (Bewegungskrieg, sometimes incorrectly called as Blitzkrieg) was relatively sucessfully used. But Soviets didn't rest with defensive doctrines just like tank development (unlike germans). Mainly Mikhail Tukhachevsky developed new defensive strategy of Deep operation, where they didn't rely on one decisive battle on frontline, but knowing, that their front with germany is likely to by used whole, relied on multiple decisive battles/operations
Ahhh BICe that’s good to know :)
Deep operation was offensive. The USSR also did not develop beyond WWI. Not because they were behind but because WWI defensive tactics work. The entrenchment and artillery compliment each other in the most effective way and you can see how WWI ideas still rule the defensive field today.
The ss divisions are meant to be put into capitols, in which they will lower resistance, later SS divisions actually have semi good divisions which can be a good d day wall
WHAT they lower resistance?!
@@AldrahillYeah it's their job
@@Aldrahilllocal RUclipsr discovers SS divisions were not supposed to be in combat
Finally someone that plays this mod the way it should be played, just pure historical accuracy and suffering.
Black Ice is so realistic you feel like you need a full general staff to play
And to shoot myself at the end of it :P
This mod would probably be fun if I had 3 coops
The volksturm did get trained and equipped with panzerfausts but other than that they didnt have much.
I always appreciate how you reflect the reality on the ground where possible rather than just blindly accepting authorized strength in these!
Thank you! I really try to do my best to be accurate!! Thanks for noticing
At least you know now how to play the mod 🎉
Looking forward to more Black Ice content. Wonder how much pain it would be playing as a minor nation like Greece or Finland.
Yeah now I now what I’m doing xD I’ve actually been playing this again slower off camera, hoping to do a bit better, maybe do BICE again as the Soviets in the near future :) thanks for supporting me!
@Aldrahill Hopefully you don’t get -110% organization debuff like I did when I played them
@@snowmeows3342I never played the mod but how TF did you achived that?
@@snowmeows3342bros demented like me
@@snowmeows3342bros demented like me
A late congrats on getting 34.100 years old man 🎉 Must have been horrifying reliving your memories in Hoi
Yeah I just keep on aging! It truly was horrible, but it was also beautiful
Not sure if someone already mentioned that at 36:28, but: Volkssturm and Volksgrenadiers were two separate things.
Volkssturm was a civilian militia under direct command of the NSDAP and their local officials, with ultimate command lying with Goebbels. They were poorly equipped and trained, most of the time being issued a mix of civilian hunting rifles, WWI surplus, civilian clothes and last ditch effort weapons such as the Volkssturmgewehr, the Panzerfaust and similar.
The Volksgrenadiers on the other hand were legitimate military units under command of, and part of, the regular Wehrmacht's organization. AFAIK they were created in late summer to hearly autumn 1944. They were issued uniforms and handed whatever proper weapons were still being produced (MP40, some STG44s, G43s, Kar98ks (late war models), Panzerfausts, Panzerschrecks, etc.). The name was presumably chosen to hold up morale after the devastating losses of Operation Bagration.
YES indeed I massively misspoke xD don’t know what I was thinking when I’m so damn familiar with the two terms! Sometimes these weird mistakes happen xD thanks for that incredible info though, love the detail!
Volksgrenadier were smaller but compensated with better weaponry, you can see many of those were equipped with StG-44
Would love to see you try this challenge again with all that you learned from this attempt !
Challenge accepted!
Thank you for doing a BICE vid. I have 1000+ hours on BICE, do not beat yourself up the BICE spawns and cheats are at insane levels, that is why you lost. There is no mod as loaded with the vast array of cheats that BICE has. It is a shame because more people would play BICE and be challenged, but it is presently too insane.
Has it got cheats? I think they just get supply bonuses - though the fighters the allies had were INSANE
I think World Ablaze chests even more maybe? I didn't really play that mod...I played BICE instead. for as far as I know from TommyK's video. the AI in WA doesn't even use any factories in the game to produce equipment. they just spawn it. and from my experience in BICE. with no extra setting changed. in default mod settings gameplay. AI does go deficit equipment and needs to wait for their factories to produce it. they might've spawn some? but definitely not as extreme as WA
@@Aldrahill Hi. It has every cheat you can possibly think of. The industrial capacity and limits of Airplane and Tank factories, do not apply to AI, only affect human. Research, doesn't matter, AI get all Research per the year it is available. Starting units numbers for AI.., crazy insane, especially Air. Unit and equipment spawns everywhere, right before Barbarossa, tag over to USSR, look at the size of the air and army and all fully supplied. There is sooo much more, I just 1) do not feel like typing them out, and 2) I can't remember them all and I do not know them all. Again, realize I have over 1,000 hours, the few times I point the cheats that veteran BICE players are aware of, there is always a group with little experience in BICE that disagree.., makes no sense. Anyway, if you want to re-do Germany - that would be great!!!
I mean, there are mods that just allow the AI to cheat, by giving them +1000% division movement speed and all other stats
Those are near impossible
WOOO ANOTHER HISTORICAL PRESETS AND DIVISIONS VIDEO!!!!!
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SUCH AMAZING VIDEOS
There's a pattern here; game too simple, want as much historical+realistic AP. Game be actually too historical+realistical, player says "nah".
Playing this mod makes me remenber when i first played hoi4 4 years ago and got overwellmed by the decisions and all the things you need to manage
Basically as Germany you should, as a new player:
Enable historical units spawns in the main menu in the game rules!!!!! this gives you free but unequipped units via events.
Not build infra (lol) and just civs until anschluss, then just mils with some synthetic or rubber factories mixed in from around 1940-1941 onwards and maybe infra then.
Do not waste your factories on building any other plane apart from the BF109 series and the Stukas until at least 1941 or 42. Even then you probably won't need anything else, maybe the FW190s. You should DEFINIETLY NOT waste factories and rubber on bombers or anything of the sort. As Germany, you do not need them until late game when you have the resources for them.
Anschluss and demand sudetenland focuses are not worth doing early so you should not try. At best you can get it maybe a week earlier but it's too much effort. At best, you can time your focuses so that you wait exactly 10 days and start anschluss at the earliest date, you already have 10 days of progress.
SS units should be mostly used as garrisons or emergency frontline troops with some exceptions.
Now Aldrahill, you have to play this again until you win!
8:09 to kill undesirables.
Bro played so historical that he even lost the war!
I’m historical to a fault!!
Honestly the hardest part of playing this mod for me was looking at the unit markers. They're so huge and unsightly I never played it again. Shame too because BlackICE for HOI III was a classic and gave that game a lot of needed depth. But the icons in that game made sense for the game it was. You don't need these giant markers in HOI IV!
Worst part is they could've kept the vanilla sizes and kept the unit type markers, but they made them gigantic
@@draskk3471 It's for readability, because a few of the NATO symbols can become difficult to distinguish from one another if the icon is small. The absolute worst part about BICE is that it forces NATO symbols.
@johnteixeira6405 NATO symbols are not that hard to read though. Cross for infantry, half cross for cav, circle for tanks, and dots for artillery. Everything else is either self explanatory or an extension of that
If you want a somewhat easier BICE experience, try playing the US. Large industrial base, far away form the frontlines, and tons of manpower. Just don’t build carrier naval bombers, there is a -50% attack penalty for them and all torpedos used (it effects submarines and DDs as well)
I would 100% watch you play this as a "normal" game, meaning no historical bounds
Just you, trying to understand the flustercluck that is this mod :D
Thank you! Would have to be a good while though, as I wouldn’t want to just repeat the same gameplay!
I would love to see you play Black Ice the best you can, no historical but optimal and logical in your opinion. Either way love your content and this video was not exceptions.
the small army sizes are probably to represent that while irl an army could be up to 5 army corps, each with 5 divisions, in reality it was more common for a corps to be 3-4, and only 2 or 3 corps per army
as for the lack of org, the mod authors likely just didn't rebalance the other stats for the units when rejiggling the artillery btns to be accurate
so you get stuck with the crappy org malus while needing to put in more battalions to fit the template guns, meaning either less firepower, or less org, it's a lose-lose situation
Turns out… there was a doctrine tree that fixes it and increases army size :( just never saw it!
And yeah, makes sense about org
I really want to see you try the China with New Model Army templates with this challenge in the WW1 mod still. See you justify field hospitals because the sanctioned musicians are "Healers of the Soul" or something
Oh Christ ima have to write this down xD
“Now I have to pull the Atlantic wall off to hold the Soviets!” I think he wanted to die faster from the Allies
Im getting overwhelmed just from watching you play. How the hell do people play that mod.
8:09 yeah considering their name I don't think they were really meant to be fighting enemy combatants...
Oh man this is the first video I've seen from your channel and I love it, I went back and watched the other historical runs in regular HoI4. Hope to see some more BICE videos! Thank you for putting up the info you used for your historical divisions, btw, I'm doing a historical run right now with them and it was a huge help!
Welcome! I’m really glad you liked it :) absolutely, I try to be as in-depth as possible so I hope the sources helped!! I tend to put a mini essay with the more complete sources for memebers and patron supersets, but you should be able to glean all you need from the sources info I put in the video :)
I’m going to be making many more of these, so I hope you’ll enjoy!
I’m still waiting for Ottoman Empire but historical presets and divisions :D
(Please do it 😭🙏🙏
Just divisions of Calvary and infantry 😂
It’s definitely coming! Just struggling with sources!!
For the navy challenge you can use all ships. You can also use the naval airplane and CAS so you can use aircraft carrier.
35:19
For context: the Sportpalast speech is also known as the Total War speech
I loved the ad. No boring talking, but engaging skit. It's pleasure to watch these
Ayyy damn thank you so much!!
I'm really happy to see this challenge from you in BICE :)
That's my favourite mode on HoI4, i like to play it but it's really small amount funny videos about it :(
Glad you liked it!! It was a ton of fun :)
Congratulations on turning 32.000 and reaching your subscriber goal!
Love the videos :)
Thank you so much!! It’s been a whirlwind last few months but I’m hoping to keep going!
@@Aldrahill I hope so too, can't get enough of the content! ❤️
Awesome
I'd love to see a redo of this as Germany with your new knowledge.
you should definitely do more countries in black ice, no other channel has good videos on it, I tried France myself but it was hell, I would love to see France and winning the winter war as Finland, or even winning as Poland in black ice
You betcha! Thank you for your comment, I’m tallying up all suggestions
So fun fact, Nepal actually did declare war on Germany in 1939 in a show of good faith to the British.
That's so weird! Didn't know that!
Panzer 4's early models had 7.5cm short gun not an automatic cannon. Later models got long 7.5's
Man and just when you have to play Italy in black ice😂
27:32 you forgot to add the amogus into the gebirgsjäger devision
now survive as USSR in black ice using historical divisions so I can see you suffer and use 100% historical authenticity too
Ohhh it’s coming!!
I need everybody to subscribe to this man right now so I can see him play as a railroad
My most recent black ice game I lost 1,000,000 manpower throughout my entire campaign. I would recommend only using tanks for offense and leave the infantry to only attack divisions which are either 1. out of supply, or 2. in Poland before they have mobilized. As well, if you convoy raid the British with LSS submarines in the mid Atlantic and the ocean between Africa and South America, they will never be able to D-day because of a lack of convoys. As well, pushing into Russia is usually where the most men are lost, and this can be avoided by snaking with tank divisions and as you advance leaving one behind on the tile you just took to capture railways leading to supply hubs. This allows for the out of supply benefit when attacking with infantry, as well as creating easy encirclements. Also, I recommend taking Leningrad from the Finnish front instead of the German, because there is significantly more supply on the Finnish end.
All great advice! I was definitely too aggressive in my pushes here!
I'd absolutely join a collaboration effort to be more "historical"
The Gebirg's were exactly the same as the Lichte division, except they were mountain.
I find it cool how he lost for the exact same reasons why Germany lost irl
- no air
- no manpower
- poor industrial management
- incompetent allies
I know right?! Fit perfectly!
AiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiR
Whisper shouting. now that takes me back to childhood.
My go to is to put recruitment centers everywhere. Every tiny province provides the same +weekly manpower, and a lot of them can make a substantial difference, or so I gaslight myself into thinking. +75 men weekly on 50 provinces should give around 190k men a year
But think of the lost mil factories! :(
I'd love to see more black ICE! Would even be great seeing an Ahistorical playthrough
I think you missed some things that would boost organization of your division templates, like headquarter-battalion, doctrine, ... they actually had that historically
You are a madman for doing this
It was real suffering, but also fun! Now if only RUclips will show it to people despite 12% ctr and high view duration, it might stop slipping down the chart :( currently 4/10 and slipping.
Maybe it’s just TOO nerdy, you know?
You actually did my challenge, mad respect for doing this.
I aim to please
Just like historical Germany there was nothing you could have done to win. Except somehow you lost quicker
I’m talented that way!
The VPN sponsorship cutaway was great 😂
Ayy thank you so much! I’m really proud of this one :D
For the milestone, you should black ice historical as the Soviet Union :)
Ooo a good idea :D
It’s already out? Time does fly when you’re having fun.
In Black Ice, when you do national focuses, they give you historical presets. And trough focuses they give you a waffens ss divisions from occupied territories, so it help with low manpower.
Crap… shoulda done that
I could feel the pain in this video lol
General Kenobi, you are a bold one (imma keep doing this until you respond Aldahill)
I was trained in the hoi4 arts by Count Feedback
Congrats on 32k(34k now) but whoever made this mod either wanted to convey the reality of war for governments or just make a ridiculously painful mod😂
Either or its still one of the most impressive mods
Thank you! Now to see if I can hit my next goal! And yeah the mod is extreme :D
"I'll be bad at it but, so was Germany, so it will be historical." Truer words were never spoken.
Just the video I needed for my dinner
Now THAT is a goal achieved - making something that someone watches with dinner. RUclipsr dream stuff right there
The time that hilter went "i guess im gonna die" 28th of august 1943
You make amazing videos, I would love more videos and especially black ice versions.
Thank you so much that’s so kind of you to say
Black Ice is just the Voltaire's Nightmare of HOI4
Ah yes, Black Ice. The mod that shoehorns in "historical" without any regard for the circumstances behind why things were done the way they were. So you'll have to produce that panzer I long after it's obsolete because it's "historical", ignoring the fact that it happened historically because there was a shortage of actual tanks. So even if you have plenty of more up-to-date tanks, you have to use the earlier models because historical is ignoring why it happened to begin with.
Yeah there is definitely a lot of random shoehorning in, but the production is fun!!
Very very cool video, happy birthday!!
Thank you 🤗
To get rid of those flashing white boxes I think you have to switch from DX11 to DX9
OHHH nice thank you!
BlackIce is complicated and all but honestly I think World Ablaze 8.0 is far harder
Haven’t played WA since 7.0, what makes it harder?
More black ice. Do it again. Do it again. Do it again
Oh goood xd
I've been waiting for this.
Mod....MOD!!!!! I'll have you know Black Ice is a way of life sir
It has become very all consuming xD
Dunno if you'll see this (I am subscribed):
1) British Raj gameplay with historical divisions (base HOI4 or BICE your choice lol)
2) If possible to do it, Indian National Army (allied with Japan) with historical divisions.
Love your content.
Ooo cool suggestions! Hard to get sources for though! And don’t worry, I read all comments!
Looks at title
Looks into the camera
Prepares funeral pyre
Good vid! This historic challenge is so much more interesting than usual metagaming HOI4 content. No one needs to Sea Lion cheese for the billionth time. I liked the attention to detail.
I agree! Definitely makes the videos a lot harder to make though xD trying to intersperse mod challenges and other stuff in with the historical series to vary it up a bit, but plenty of more historical stuff coming soon!
Glad to see my sub went to a good cause. Happy birthday!!
Love the videos, I too am a fellow Hoi4 pain enjoyer, though I will never touch Black Ice personally as I value what little sanity I have left.
The fact that at 9:54 I saw the same cap gun that I got from Disneyland Paris as a kid, and that the lock on the cap holder is broken, same as my own, was just funny to me.
Glad to hear you enjoy it! This video took an absolute age, so I really appreciate it :) BICE is surprisingly satisfying and addicting...
OH WHAT that's so crazy xD That must be where I got it from, I've had it FOREVER! That's so funny that it has the exact same defect!
Happy 32,000th birthday dude
I am so old :(
black ice with italy , welcome
so some guy with 20 000 hours in hearts of iron woke up one day and said "fuck it, i will make this game even more complicated" and thus black ice was born
And then another idiot decided to”maybe I’ll make it even harder and play purely historically” and this my end was born
Ahhhhh Black Ice. The only mod more capable of giving me a stroke then TNO
This seems pretty interesting and kinda cool, you would obviously do better in a round 2.
And i was expecting you to lose, so i guess the mod is realistic.
So much realism xD thank you for your comment!
Aw dayum, I just realized you got SEPARATE equipment here, ARs, MGs, BAs, hel nawh.
yeah it's CRAZY
The volksgrenadiers were absolutely different from the volkssturm.
The volksgrenadiers were basically regular troops but with a new fancy name for propaganda reasons while the volkssturm were old men and children with not training, a sh*t ton of panzerfausts, and three bullets for their rifles.
Seeing the start of this video (up to 41’) it’s no wonder the Heer (and by extension the Reich) lost the war.
Oh fortress Czechoslovakia, never seen a black ice version. Dew it!
”I will try to time the invasion of poland historically”
>starts the war several weeks late
Focus timing is hard :(
I'm used to the black ice symbols cuz I don't know how to turn off the div symbols on vanilla to be replaced by helmets
Idea : break black ice , become the shit post like tank only in black ice
Oh god xD
The most realistic and challenging mod everrrr!1!!!1!
**Watch as your enemy spawns in infinite manpower and equipment.**