Isaiah's Coded Messaging In The Book of Mormon
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- Nephi's Isaiah
- The parallels of Isaiah, The Book of Mormon, and Our Time
- You have to do the work!
- Isaiah is, at times, prophecying about the Church
- Isaiah provides many spiritual "Aha" moments
- Isaiah speaks with both linear and synchronous prophecy
- Keywords can be used by the righteous or by Secret Combinations
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@MrNashtyone I don't know who Mark is, but this is just not true.. I know you think you mean well. What do you think of the Brethren selling books in Deseret Book? Would you say the same to them? Do you even understand what priestcraft is? Because this isn't it. Two economic models allow people to invest their time to help others; 1) you let people pay a small fee if the want to. Completely optional, of course, and 2) You raise money to help you do the same. Either way, someone is paying for it. Would you have paid for the thousands of dollars I have invested in my podcast? Would you be willing to take on the risk of that for me? Will you pay for my equipment, design work, software licensing, legal fees, accountant fees, and travel expenses? Can you support my family for me while I do this? Will you pay for my studio? That would be great because my wife supports us while I get this off the ground. Would you be willing to tell her that her hard work in supporting us and paying for us to do this is evil? I would love to see that. Even the Church operates on tithing funds. You do not understand how things work, and this is disturbing and difficult to hear after all we put into this. I hope you reconsider, but I do appreciate you watching. Thank you.
@@CwicShow agreed. Priestcraft is charging money for saving ordinances, which are to be offered for free. It is not to charge money for all of the work one has done in scholarship, etc. The laborer is worthy of his hire (D&C 84:79)
@@caguas97 I would add paying those who have priesthood stewardship over you, i.e., giving blessings, confession, etc. Thank you!
@@CwicShow Yes, I agree. I think that a priestcraft is limited to buying and selling of priesthood ordinances, like the example of Simon the magician in the NT. He saw the power that the Apostles wielded and he wanted to be ordained with the same power so that he could make a living off of it. He wanted to charge people to be healed, charge them for baptism, etc. Those things are meant to be had without money and without price (2 Nephi 26:25). As Lehi put it, "salvation is free" (2 Nephi 2:4)
But to ask for remuneration for one's talents, services, efforts, insights, etc. is not priestcraft, but the fair trade of money for goods and services provided.
I work for Church Security. I get paid. I couldn't do it for free. Avraham is a scholar, and he gets paid for his scholarship, his efforts in writing books, etc. If he had to do it for free, he wouldn't do it because he couldn't afford to support himself, and we would all be deprived of the fruits of his labors. The same with you, Greg. You are compensated for your time, talents, efforts, scholarship, etc. We would all be at a loss were you to never have taken up the cause because you couldn't afford to do it for free.
Good grief.
Hi Greg. I have some additional information on the prophecies of Isaiah regarding the Davidic servant who Dr. Avraham Gileadi references. If you are interested, I could send you some source material to check out. I think it would make for an interesting and enlightening additional podcast on this very important topic that applies to us today. God bless brother!
My most personal spiritual experience in scripture was when I fasted to understand and read Isaiah. One chapter was unfolded and I celebrated the testimony of Christ.
People in the church don't understand what Isaiah is talking about because they don't think the prophecies and judgments in Isaiah are talking about themselves. The reason it's in the book of Mormon is because the prophecies of Isaiah are specifically talking about the very people that are reading it in the BOM.
Yep, and that's why we can say it all day long to people (and some of us will just like Lehi) but until they read and understand for themselves and take it from Isaiah they won't listen to someone who they think doesn't know the truth. Because the truth is "hard".
@@MommaCrissa 👍 it's frustrating isn't it? It's amazing people have the information that they do and they just won't get it. What's the consequences for having so much but not getting it?
I think many people believe the prophecies are speaking of those not in the church instead of those in need of repentance within the church.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets exactly. All is well
We can be led to hell carefully.
I think another reason for Isaiah to be in code could be to protect the writings from the corrupt and wicked men who removed or altered much of the Holy Scriptures. If they couldn't truly understand it, they would be less inclined to alter it.
I believe this to be true.
I have also thought that may be the case.
The Mormons have removed much scripture from their version of the KJV of the Holy Bible.
@user-it1hc9nn8i You might want to research that more instead of regurgitating gooblygob.
Greg, Thank you so much for platforming Avraham again. I took the Savior’s counsel in 3 Nephi to study the words of Isaiah really seriously about four years ago. My prayers on the matter took me to, in addition to other sources, Avraham’s Isaiah Institute translation of Isaiah. The insights I have received from studying this translation, as well as Abraham’s commentary on his translation of Isaiah, as well as his Book of Mormon Isaiah works, have greatly expanded my light and knowledge of Isaiah and what the prophets of the Book of Mormon were trying to teach us sleeping gentiles about our day through Isaiah’s words.
For those who dismiss Avraham’s work by simply buying into what others are saying about him instead of doing the personal study into the valuable work Avraham has done to help enlighten us, I say two things:
1. The prophet and the apostles are NOT going to do a page turn on the verses of Isaiah to explain them to you.
2. The prophet is NOT going to announce from the pulpit: “hey everybody, Avraham Gileadi is a mini prophet so use him as the officially sanctioned resource for understanding Isaiah!”
What the prophet and apostles, living and dead, are telling us and will continue to tell us, in fact, what their PRIMARY mission is to us, is to to plead with us to develop a deep connection to our Savior and His Father through the Holy Ghost so that we can receive our own personal revelation. If we are getting our revelation by the “power of the podcast” instead of by the power of the Holy Ghost through our own fasting, prayer and serious and intentional study of the scriptures that are sitting right there on our phones, one click away from our favorite podcaster, we will never know the truth of all things.
Thank you again Greg, for featuring brother Gileadi, another voice from the “wilderness,”on your program!
We actually have it easy compared to not having any tools to use. Thank goodness for Avraham Gileadi's work! I've recently had in my heart constantly about "the end of the gentiles being fulfilled" coming in my mind. I know things will be taking a turn soon. So yes, we better know in our hearts and Spirits truth and the Holy Ghost for our guide. I know what you are saying. Thanks!
I love Dr. Gileadi! I met him twice when he came back to the ward I was in at the time, which was a former ward for him. I had a very sacred experience with him and one of my younger children at the time. Some may see him as difficult to communicate with, after all he's absolutely brilliant, but I found him warm, discerning, and kind. I will always be grateful for this wonderful scholar and Latter-day Saint.
Avraham Gileadi himself tells you why he was excommunicated when he mentions that they will go so far as to " slay the messenger." But instead of wanting to embarrass the church for doing that, he lets the lord fight his battles. Elder Maxwell understood that when he reinstated him and his file was destroyed.
I absolutely adore Avraham and how he helps us to search and learn more about Isaiah. @Greg Matsen ... please keep bringing him back. 😇🥰 There is never a dull moment with him.
Yes, please Greg, we have yet so much more to learn from Avraham.
Thanks for this kick in the butt to get to work on studying Isaiah. Also, to get to work on repenting and changing!!
You're all good enough as you are. There is no need to feel less than.
Just read "2 by Evan Lord" (He served a 2 year mission to Germany), and your minds & hearts will all be opened.
The God you seek is You!
Using the TOOLS that Avraham has uncovered has changed my level of spirituality. It has helped me set the Endowment at deeper levels, it has enhanced my understanding of the Book of Mormon and opened the windows of Heaven to my role in these end-times. Before anyone dismisses Avraham's work they need to pay the price to apply the TOOLS!
@spiritualsurvival I love this comment.. I whole heartedly agree with each word.
I have his app and read through tons of it. It's a process for sure. But I recognized a lot of things I was already studying in Isaiah, so it's very awesome!
@@DoctorSuezz So few are willing to really pay the price to know for themselves. The price is worth it!!!
Great video. Thanks for sharing. I am teaching Gospel Doctrine and am 56 years old. Have never really taken a deep dive into to Isaiah like I am trying to do now. It is amazing what I have learned and it’s also amazing how much feel like I know nothing. Barely scratching the surface.
How did Greg Matsen get to interview Avraham Gileadi? This is extremely rare for Bro. Gileadi to even trust an LDS interviewer, let alone sit down candidly for over an hour. It's great to hear from Avraham. Thanks for posting.
I really love whenever you have Avraham on your show. He really inspires me to understand Isaiah more, and I feel a sense of urgency as I listen to him. We need to understand Isaiah if we want to be prepared for what’s ahead.
Aren’t we fortunate to have Avraham’s lifetime of study of the book of Isaiah.
Greg and Avraham, I cannot thank you both enough for your testimonies. Thank you for being true disciples of Jesus Christ, to which this statement holds more than words can describe. Please keep videos like this coming.
Thank you, Avraham, for helping me increase my understanding .
Great interview. Back in the early 90's I first picked up a book of his, then another, and another...
His insight has contributed greatly to my regular reading of the Book of Mormon.
Thank you for inviting Brother Gileadi to your channel!!! I love hearing him. Not fun to hear Isaiah’s prophecy because it is NOT flattering to us but IT IS THE TRUTH. Repent and fulfill our birthright mission
Love these tools for learning to study Isaiah. They have yielded wonderful discoveries for me over the years. Blessings!
His app has been a game changer for my scripture study
Thank you! I know I need to repent! I know that we all live in this fallen world, my nature is evil continually! I am striving to have the lord soften my heart and change me. But yet I am in the world and of the world. I pray for mercy. And change.
That is the perfect humble way to be. I will pray for you too.
Same here 😢
Why did Isaiah write in code?? This instantly popped into mind.
Matt. 13
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Isaiah's vineyard. :>)
In 1986, Paul H Dunn spoke to the missionaires at the MTC in Provo. My brother recorded his talk on his cassette recorder. Bro. Dunn said, "I don't care what Isaiah says, I only care what the current prophet says he says." IMO this thinking and teaching is a stumbling block for us. This principle is taught over the pulpit time and time again. Why would we seek out our own learning? Why not just skip over the words of Isaiah and rely on our "living" prophets to interpret Isaiah for us? I am grateful that Bro. Gileadi mentioned that he follows Jesus Christ and prophetic counsel.
Paul Dunn came to my stake when I was a kid. The building was packed. He was a great storyteller! lol.
You two are going to get banned. Or excommunicated ... Tread lightly!
Isaiah 28:8 speaks about those who only get their food "second hand"! 🍽️🤮💩🍽️
I like how if your comment is too funny that he just takes it down.
Dunn was wrong on many levels....
Greg you should do a video on the background of Avraham. I tell people I’m reading his translation instead of King James and they look at me like I’m going apostate because they don’t know his whole story.
It would be exceptional to do a 31 day podcast event with him! First day to explain all that, then the next 30 do a summary on each point/event But, I'm definitely going to attend the March 30th day!!!
The Scripture Notes podcast with Abraham is really good. It "shows" the differences.
I definitely am inspired to learn more about Isaiah I just recently watched the stick of Joseph video regarding Isaiah and now this and I just want to dive into it but I really think it's important to listen to avraham and take it baby step toward spiritual progression through this and to put in the hard work and not find the easy way out on this spiritual struggle
This was a great episode. Thank you, Greg and Avraham. Kind regards from, Gina Mac of Queensland, Australia. 😊❤️🙏🇦🇺
When Avraham said that he follows Jesus Christ and the prophets counsel, I felt very validated. That is exactly what I preach to my children. We don't sing "Follow the Prophet" at home. We tolerate it in primary. That song just bothers me and has since I was a little girl. Jesus Christ is who we are asked to "follow." He said, "Come follow ME," not a man.
I have come to really love Isaiah. I have not understood what the problem is with people understanding it. I have a harder time understanding Paul.
I guess if you take it to an extreme and cannot hold two things to be true at the same time. That you can both follow the prophet who only points you to following Jesus Christ at the same time. 🤯
Do you follow Michelle Stone (132 problems)? You would really get her too.
Jesus said "follow the prophet".
"What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same." (D&C 1:38)
"Whosoever receiveth my word receiveth me, and whosoever receiveth me, receiveth those, the First Presidency, whom I have sent, whom I have made counselors for my name’s sake unto you." (D&C 112:20)
Just because that exact phrase isn't found in the scriptures doesn't mean it isn't a true principle. Jesus appointed the Prophet. He didn't do it so that we could ignore prophetic counsel.
@caguas97 I don't understand any of that to say, "Follow the prophet." Christ DID use the word "follow," and it was ONLY for Him. I read those verses as the prophet being the mouthpiece for the Lord on earth and to abide by their words and counsel. Their words and counsel direct us how to "follow" Jesus Christ in our day. I believe the term "follow the prophet" is a big reason why some believe we don't follow Jesus and worship a man. I don't blame them for thinking it because there are times when people in our church act exactly that way.
@@MommaCrissa I have seen some of her around RUclips, but I don't follow her by choice. I find her to be a bit on the edge of apostasy. That's just my discernment about her. I do consider her a lovely and wonderful person though so don't take me the wrong way.
"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" that is true, but, you can salt his grain and make him thirsty. Thanks for "salting my grain!😊
Nicely said. Take that with more than a grain of salt!
Love the Isaiah institute… always learning! Needed to pray sincerely to understand and get the spirit of prophecy! I think the Church wants to talk about “nice things”…. not to get deep into the “truth” bc then things would have to change!
Wow this was another fantastic interview and your questions and comments were so good. Thanks for bringing this message to us!!! It was so full of gems it took me hours to go through it and I’m still not done. I’ve always wanted to know more about Avraham Gileadi
You hit the nail on the head when you said "You have to pay the price." Those who are critical are always those who have made no effort to examen the words of Isaiah using the literary tools that function as checks and balances.
I love Isaiah. I love the hope he offers for us in the last days. Let’s study him but not get discouraged if we don’t understand all asap. I feel like eternal progression is the hope that we can always do better. Yes, we need to repent and be aware, but he tells us about the gathering of Israel on both sides of the veil in the last days and the part members play. Temple work and ordinance workers and missionaries serving in multiple capacities is talked about by Isaiah. So stop skipping Isaiah chapters and pray to understand but don’t feel discouraged or hopeless or worried. Stay faithful and keep trying even when you struggle. We are all on a path. Stay there, keep learning and progressing. Have Hope! The lord loves effort. The lord loves his children. We all need to inventory our lives and do what Nephi says- apply his words to ourselves.
Reading a Book by Cleon Skousen titled Isaiah Speaks to Modern Times, reading it a second time. The Book has opened my eyes so much more, and the need to be humble , myself included, and develop a more pure heart, again myself included. For the excruciating challenges coming sooner than we think. I feel repentance is truly our source of true protection. Best to all.
Brilliant communication Greg with incredible highlights about the importance of The Book of Mormon.
Isaiah is a book of codes and mysteries that keeps us on the path. I value the wisdom and knowledge Avraham brings to your channel.
Lovely inspiration💖🙏🏽💖🙏🏽💖🫶🏽💖🫶🏽💖🫶🏽💖🫶🏽💖🫶🏽
I love this! Very insightful. Thank you!
You're welcome!
Great interview, Greg.
I totally agree with what Avraham said around the 34:30 mark, essentially that the more effort the individual puts into not only reading but truly STUDYING and searching the scriptures the more information one gains, and therefore the Spirit can witness to that person all the more frequently and specifically, “The Spirit can work with you better”.
Think about when you offer someone directions. If they are familiar with the town and street names or landmarks in the area, you stand to have a much better chance of helping them to arrive at the desired destination rather than someone who is NOT familiar with that area. They will require MUCH MORE detail and very specific information in order to accomplish the same goal of travel. Notwithstanding, the latter stands a much higher risk of getting lost along the way.
This corresponds perfectly with Elder Bednar’s counsel that, “the Spirit cannot help us to recall that which we have not labored to learn”.
Fantastic discussion. You have the best content on RUclips. Keep up the good work!
Appreciate that
Thank you both so much for sharing such a beautiful lesson with us. Understanding Isaiah is self effort and taking special helps like you both offered to make it necessary to study daily. I really appreciate all that was given to us. May God continue to bless your efforts in helping others.🤗
I have been reading the book of Mormon, Kind of off and on for about 25 years now, and I definitely understand Isaiah way better than I used to! This is very real stuff, and I just really want to be obedient, so I'm pretty sure that I am going to be making greater effort to diligently study Isaiah
Greg, have you heard Morgan Philpot's thoughts regarding Isaiah (and other scriptures)? A good conversation/discussion about his thoughts would be an interesting video as he usually only presents, and has minimal discussion or push back on his train of thought.
Thanks for the video! I've been trying to understand Isaiah more since President nelson's remarks about the second coming being soon.
@codym4275-Can you provide a quick summary of Brother Philpot's thoughts on Isaiah?
Instead of blaming just tell us what you have learned. I am here to be taught
Hey Greg, I think you should dedicate an episode on talking about this belief held by a lot of members that the Church is currently in a state of Apostasy and apparently needs a re-restoration. I want to know if they sneer and murmur when they hear our prophets speak in general conference. Do they even watch general conference? If they do, is it to find more evidence of the churches apostasy? This is crazy. I’m reading through the comments and I’m floored by what I’m hearing. How big is this group?
Amazing! Such a great thing to have a way to really study and understand Isaiah.
In april 2018 President Nelson told us “good information leads to good inspiration”. Lets study Isaiah and get some good information from which the Lord may provide the good inspiration.
Thank you this was enlightening!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for this podcast
The same kind of attitude is entering into Church History, Family Search work and genealogy, and interfering with having correct family lines and whether we are finding and doing the Temple work for the right people. Hopefully when the Savior comes we will be able to get all the messes straightened out.
Studying Isaiah opened my eyes and helped me understand what was going on with the church's unbelievably incompetent, bumbled handling of covid, not to mention its handholding with the UN and other facets of the Great and Abominable Church that Nephi foresaw.
The incompetence is you as a member of the church who does not understand the role of prophets. Spend time in the Bible Dictionary and D&C 1 before you come to the conclusion that it was bumbled. Then decide how you would have handled it while still maintaining an open wide net for gathering God’s children.
23 minutes. You pretty much read my patriarchal blessing.
Bothering me is the tendency these days to find fault with our prophet or an apostle or Brigham Young or Joseph Smith or Isaiah; you name it, someone will object to it.....and maybe even using that as a reason to leave the Church. President Nelson says to get on the Covenant path and stay on......so if we do that does that makes us into following a prophet and not Christ when Christ is the one giving our prophet the direction?? This is NOT complicated...... If you have feelings of confusion, consider the REAL source of that kind of feeling......when feeling confused: immediately, IMMEDIATELY turn to God in prayer and scriptures, and/or "cast satan and his influence out of your life" like President Nelson taught as part of Spiritual Momentum.
Amazing!
Gileadi is the GOAT of living church scholars.
The greatest part of this interview is when Avraham says what we can learn from the Jews on how they approach the scriptures with a spirit of learning rather than telling the scriptures to confirm what we already believe. The greatest example of this is regarding the creation, the fall, and how we ended up on this fallen earth. Greg I love your channel, I think there is a big miss on your approach to the creation and the fall. However, I can understand why you have this approach as many members totally miss what the scriptures tell us on thecreation and the fall. An understanding of this basic doctrine is critical to understand Isaiah as well as the end times are part of the solution in restoring the challenges we face from the creation and the fall. Great episode!!
Yes and Amen 🙏 thank you!
Wow! I feel like I will never know Isaiah. He’s studied it his whole adult life! But I get it that we have to learn it for ourselves. Line upon line.
I felt like I wanted him just to tell me what it says, and he did in a way, but I’m a bit disheartened.
Hahaha, he has a channel where he reads through Isaiah with us and explains "a few" things, however your mind can't help to wander and see extra "things" within the context he is helping us read and understand.
@@DoctorSuezz What's the channel?
@@paulcrave3826 "Book of Mormon Isaiah" here on YT
Hey Greg,
For some reason my post here was auto deleted I believe. I appreciate what you are doing. I have a couple podcast ideas if you’re interested.
First idea:
Getting Farrell Pickering on your show about his work on Daniel’s numbers and John’s number in the book of Revelation. It is really fascinating information.
Second idea:
Discuss some source material that lends strong consideration to the idea that the endtime servant will actually be a descendant of Lehi(Native American man). I can send over information if you’re interested. God bless!
Beautiful knowledge. There is something, i believe is worth mentioning that no matter how bad things get within the church, the PH keys and authority will not leave this organization, period. STEADY THE COURSE AND BRACE FOR IMPACT!
Is there some movement of “I read Isaiah therefore I believe the church is in apostasy or will be before the 2nd coming” I’m not aware of? I feel like you all are talking around some idea that I’m not aware of, like you don’t want to say it out loud. Is there context I’m missing from another episode? It seems people will find any reason to speak evil of the lord’s anointed and leave his kingdom. Some of these comments just make me sad. I’m not saying that’s what Greg and his guest are doing but I’m sensing overall that this exists.
There is definitely a movement of members who fall away after dabbing in Isaiah and ascribe to some of Gileadi’s teachings. Gileadi is extremely knowledgeable concerning Isaiah, but at times I believe he is blinded by pride.
For example, when you hear him teach about Isaiah 28, he teaches that the prophets of our latter day church are drunk with wine and fallen into apostasy. I’ve heard him chuckle and seen him grin from ear to ear when going over this. I’ve pointed out the inconsistency he treats this…so much of Isaiah is symbolic, but all of a sudden it’s literal and very specific here. I believe he is completely wrong on it and needs to reexamine it with the spirit of revelation to correctly understand what Isaiah was implying.
Don’t get me wrong here, I don’t think any of the apostles/prophets are perfect…but Gileadi’s implications of apostasy are problematic with the teachings of Joseph Smith and the principles of priesthood keys.
This is just one of many examples of how you have to be careful when reading the interpretation of a man.
Thanks for the info, in my experience “I don’t follow the Brethren, I follow Christ” is usually code for “I disagree with the prophet and this is how I will justify it”. Maybe he doesn’t mean it that way but I’ve heard those exact words from some members who might disagree with the church on social and moral issues. It’s like a calling card. I want to learn his insights on Isaiah though, he seems to know a lot more context than I do.
These comments are spot on! I spent a few months in a Gileadi study group and all the members are waiting for the prophet to fail so that Gileadi’s interpretation of Isaiah will be fulfilled. The “drunkards of Ephraim” is tricky as the USA is full of Ephraim, mostly not members of the church. That certainly expands his narrow interpretation. Personally, I believe Gileadi is an antichrist, the most subtle kind. Adding to his misinterpretations of Isaiah the fact that he believes the book Visions of Glory and that is all I need to know about AG.
Michael B. Rush in his book: Delight in Plainness, Nephi and Isaiah; made the chapters in the B of Mormon SO clear that as we read the Old Testament I was able to have clarity like never before. There is still more to decipher, though I finally felt I was learning the relevant prophecies for our day. I will glean what I can from AG and throw the dross away. He did speak about the pride of the scholar elites and then you get the feeling that he would profess that he’s the “true” Master on the subject; not negating his VAST study but I like to think that the Spirit can fill in the holes for we LOWLY Lazarus’ that lick the crumbs from his feet.
Why did I have to scroll through so many comments to find this? I'm all for expanding my understanding of Isaiah...I really need to, but warning lights were blinking as I listened to this. I'll listen again just to make sure. I think Greg even pushed back at one point, like "that seems a little too far".
Can someone clarify which scriptures Brother Gileadi mentioned that we study for repentance. I honestly feel like Heavenly Father is reaching out to His people. There is a common theme of the Sermon on the Mount, Lehi and Nephi vision of the tree of life, and the temple. I pray we have eyes to see and ears to hear! Thank you so much Greg, I’m watching and learning, I just hope I’m applying.❤
A separation followed by destruction will happen for sure. Which side of the separation we find ourself on is up to us.
It’s the old perspectives: occidental (literal) verses oriental (symbolic). Westerners rarely know how to read scripture orientally. Isaiah is almost entirely symbolic, just as with Revelation. Avraham gets this on a deeper level.
Thanks!
Greg, thanks for this great content on your chanel, because you know inquiring minds want to know.
You're welcome and thank you!
It’ll happen as Isaiah, Nephi, and John described not because people that repent and take the heed are powerless, but because a very small number of people will actually take the heed, repent, and learn the truth from God. Isaiah 30:1 “Woe to the rebellious children, saith the Lord, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin”
Looking forward to this. I have a hard time with the Isaiah chapters. Could use a little more insight besides "liken them to yourself", as if I should automatically be able to understand the cultural and spiritual context of a two thousand year old document written for the people of that time.
Google Isaiah institute.
christine, I prayed and studied into what 'likening' meant because I was dismissing it as not important
.......but what I learned by the guidance of the Spirit has helped me be thankful for 'likening'
I'd love to see a video from you on spiritual gifts. You seem to not shy from controversial topics. I think its odd we dont see more prayers of healing, speaking in tongues, prophecy or words of knowledge (not from the prophet), casting out devils etc. The church used to be much more involved in that during the earlier days, but it seems today many come close to God with their lips but deny his power. Many dont believe those spiritual gifts even exist.
I visit taught a member who had been in the occult for eight years and left it to become active again. She said she now suffered from multiple personalities disorder. After 8yrs in the occult, we KNOW exactly what it is, but do you think I could get any priesthood holder to come cast her demons out?! That’s just “too weird”, right, but we read about it in the New Testament and I’m the crazy one? Really, I just know that I’M the only INFORMED one. And, it’s supposed to become more prevalent as we get closer to His second coming. So I taught my boys not to feel afraid to address this when prompted.
I also wonder why we aren't casting out more. President Nelson told us to cast out you know who from our lives. A couple times in maybe last years conference talk?
From “Ten Keys for Understanding Isaiah,” October 1973 Ensign, by Bruce R. McConkie: “Personally, I feel about Isaiah and his utterances the same way Nephi felt and think that if I expect to go where Nephi and Isaiah have gone, I had better speak their language, think their thoughts, know what they knew, believe and teach what they believed and taught, and live as they lived. It just may be that my salvation (and yours also!) does in fact depend upon our ability to understand the writings of Isaiah as fully and truly as Nephi understood them.” Avraham has voiced the substance of this last thought many times in lectures and interviews.
We need a case of Dr Gileadi's books sent to Australia please - postage costs a fortune!
31 minutes: idolatry of our day: sports! Especially the super bowl. Can you give up all Sports on Sunday? If you attack this, just look at your life. I'm not saying I don't have anything, but I have other things to work on. But that is a huge one.
Fast Sunday is another indicator of our inability to give up the things of the flesh. I can’t believe over the years how many persons don’t do it. It really makes me worried that if we can’t fast then what happens when the heat really gets turned up??
Our dear prophet and apostles are a part of our Savior's spiritual care unto each one of us.
Thank you for this interview Greg. I will have to watch it half a dozen times before it all starts sinking in. But I do have one question. If it is so very important to know this, why is it so complicated? One of the great things about the Book of Mormon is its clarity. Why is Isaiah so difficult to understand?
This feels very "A Beautiful Mind".
Listening to this leads me to believe we're all hosed and only the intellectual LDS scholars will be able to enjoy being right when the crap hits the fan.
Think of it this way, Isaiah wants reading his prophecy to be like salvation; on our own, there's no way we can progress! It's only when we humbly ask God to help us that we can succeed. Understanding Isaiah is a gift from God. All we have to do is exercise faith by, like Avraham says, putting in the work.
Actually I'm seeing the opposite, so take heart. It's the intellectuals that seem to be dismissing any and every interpretation of scripture as just one more for the pile that we really can't ever know. The members of the church that are honestly seeking the Holy Ghost seem to get exactly what Isaiah is teaching and warning us about (and No, it's not that the brethren or leaders are currently in Apostasy). I've found lots of peace and hope in starting to understand this prophet. Christ seemed to think rather highly of him when preaching to the Nephites. Pres. Nelson encouraged us to study Christ's teachings on Isaiah in 3 Nephi. Maybe there's something to that. Lots of buried treasure in those cross references. 😉
Right-o! It was the Sanhedrin that was full of the intellectuals who fomented anger against the prophets. Seems the intellectual Gileadi-ites have twisted the narrative.
Brother Avraham Gileadi is NOT a typical LDS scholar. If you take the time to go to the Isaiah Institute website and check out some of his free content, and, if you do it with real intent like Moroni suggests to us, you will come to understand Isaiah and why his words are so important to YOU. Because of the power of the Holy Ghost, you do not have to be an LDS scholar to gain a stronger testimony of Christ by studying Isaiah. Then when the time comes, you can enjoy being right!
I am familiar with his website, listened to various podcasts, own two of his books, and studied with a group of his followers. I found other sources of Isaiah interpretation that contradicted elements of Gileadi and those burned within me unlike the Gileadi material. He has a rich understanding of many things but has drawn incorrect conclusions and is leading many away from the church. Testimonies are being harmed. That’s why I’m objecting to the fanfare on these comments.
To answer your question, "why doesn't he just layout what he is saying", I think the answer is this: if God and the prophets are too clear in what they prophecy, there will be those who will act on that to try and make it fulfill. They will try to take the timing away from God and attempt to force His hand, by trying to artificially fulfill the prophecy. My 2 cents.
I find it VERY DIFFICULT to follow Brother Gileadi and his literary explanations. How ever, I will continue to study and pray. His knowledge is way above my level and I can get discouraged listening to him.
I have the Isaiah Institute's translation of Isaiah, and find it really useful. I'll keep trying....... Thanks
And nothing wrong with going to other sources as well.
I;m responding because I read 3 Ne. 26 7-11 differently then what was suggested at min. 33:35, if that is what was being referenced.
I hear it to say that it is our job as gentiles to bring the book of Mormon to the Lamanites,and when they have received it in sufficient numbers and faith, then we will receive more of the Book of Mormon. I read 3 Ne. 21: 22-25 the same way, and when they have received in sufficient numbers and faith, we as gentiles of faith will help the children of Lehi build the New Jerusalem.
If I am incorrect in my understanding I would appreciate being corrected.
I want to get One of Abraham’s books. What is a title of a book of his you’d recommend to start?
Isaiah decided, then apocalyptic commentary on the Book of Isaiah.., then whatever else you are led to
😊 The membership in America and Europe still hold fast to tradition rather than true doctrine. They believe the church will save them. They still somehow in general have not understood the true doctrine. Until they repent and change their character to that of Christ, nothing else will bring them home. More and more people are awakening but it is a really slow process. All of the old Patriarchs had to Sacrifice to attain their glory, the modern saints still do not understand how special they are. All we can do is KEEP ON, keeping on. It is a process.
Are the tools in Avraham’s book? accessible for the blind?
Avraham Gileadi have you read Mauricio Bergers work regarding the sealed book? not to be confused with Nemelka, totally different. The church legally shut Mauricio's book down for sell among book publishers although he offers it free pdf. Many claim Mauricio whom by the way is in Brazil *to be given to another people* is Joseph Smith. It would be nice to have some scholars and academics of true intent to look over Mauricio's work. Peace. oh..and also on Denver Snuffer's work as well.
I'd be curious to know more about the "downturn" in interest for Isaiah in the late 1990s. My personal feeling is that the Brethren may have been concerned that delving too deeply into Isaiah at that time, might have brought up some additional things which Isaiah spoke of and which were better left unsaid at the time. Just a guess of course...
What is the “lid” put on it in the 90s that they are talking about? I lived through the 90s and I don’t remember this.
Brother Gileadi was part of the "September Six" (1993) that were excommunicated. His books were pulled from Deseret Books. Avraham's argument was that Isaiah prophecy pointed to a human "Davidic king" who would emerge in the last days.
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I thought I should add this... In 1996, Gileadi was re-baptized into the LDS Church after the church reversed its disciplinary action against him due in part to the oversight of Neal A. Maxwell.
Also, I tried to add a link to another note, but it must not stick on this channel. I can't remember who allows it and who doesn't.
Anyway...go to the May 1972 Ensign. The article called The Future of the Holy Land, point number 9 speaks of David.
Avraham Gileadi himself tells you why he was excommunicated when he mentions that they will go so far as to "slay the messenger." But instead of wanting to embarrass the church for doing that, he lets the Lord fight his battles. Elder Maxwell understood that when he reinstated him and his file was destroyed.
My problem is that I get overwhelmed by all the connections and paths to follow! :)
Don’t get overwhelmed. Just ask our Father what your next step is, and then take it. Keep doing that and you’ll end up where you need to be.
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Well, it's a "good" overwhelmed. 🙂
@@ouchymytoe haha! I get it. Yes there is a lot to take in. It seems every time you get an insight, you have to read all 66 chapters again to vet that insight, which of course leads to more. Yes overwhelming in a good way. If only my brain could hold about ten times what it does...
I am surprised there is no mention of the return of the 10 lost tribes. Isaiah 20:20-21.
The return which will be more marvelous than the exodus from Egypt.
The elephant in the room when it comes to Isaiah, and the single greatest barrier to embracing Isaiah is simply leader worship. The saints have put their faith and trust in their leaders. The leaders are their idols and what happens when you attack peoples idols? They get angry and harden their hearts. It is that simple! Isaiah description of the great and marvelous work is all about a coming servant from outside of the church hierarchy just like John the Baptist and Christ did. The members will reject him just like they are rejecting the message of Isaiah and the fulness of the gospel will be taken from them and be given to those who will bring forth fruit.
Failure to accept the fact that the leaders are the blind leading the blind in our day is the great stumbling block to awakening to the saints. I have seen it over and over again. It's so disheartening.
You are making this into a dichotomy that I don't believe exists. You can follow counsel and inspired leaders without leader worship. That should be the focus in my mind.
Matthew 10: 40 .
Leader worship? The only leader worship I see is for some high priests or former bishops who advocate lowering the law of chastity to LGBTQ lifestyle standards is spite of the prophet and apostles continuing to hold to Gods standard of chastity. The apostles and prophets are still unpopular and many have itching ears to reject them and Gods standards for a more comfortable God.
In the days of Jesus Christ’s mortal ministry Jesus Christ and the apostles and prophets were rejected by many of the high priests of their time. You need to be more precise about which leaders you talking about here.
That's a fascinating comment! Reminds me of President Nelson's comment in Apr 2021 conf... "Please know this: If everything and everyone else in the world whom you trust should fail, Jesus Christ and His church will never fail you." Psalm 121:4 is referenced right after that.
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Seems akin to Revelation 12: 10,11 as well.
This is a secular discussion about revelatory scriptures. Nephi, with the power of the Holy Ghost, understood Isaiah. The problem with the secular is that sometimes they doesn't align with the Docrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that is revelatory. One has to choose between revelation vrs the philosophies of men.
Gentiles is not an ancient word. It comes frome the Greek. It means nations or Nations not Judah. Ephraim is a Gentile nation but so is Levi, Ruben, and the ten tribes. Ephraim is the one Jacob blessed to do the work in these Latter-days and has rights to the priesthood and convanent of Abraham as any other tribe.
It feels like Dr. Gileadi teachings for Ephraim is based.
We have been counciled to take the Holy Spirit for a guide and search, ponder, and pray for understanding with the scriptures. I'm not saying you can't learn from scholars like Gileadi, but when his interpretations don't align with the teachings of the Church what do you do?
Where are the Isiah chapters in the Book of Mormon?
Who are the Jews, gentiles and Lamanites the title page of the Book of Mormon is written to in Abvrahams view?
I don't know Abvraham's view, but Lehi sons flee from Jerusalem and his sons end up holding different views. From the offset Nephi prays to God and comes to a knowledge of Gods love, and a knowledge of what his father saw in vision. Laman and Lemuel did not do so. This creates a paradigm shift between the understanding and views of Nephi, Sam, etc. vs Laman, Lemuel, etc. Because Nephi prayed he knew that it was God that lead his father out of Jerusalem vs the view of Laman and Lemuel that it was their father who commanded the family to flee Jerusalem. The spread farther and father apart as the story goes on. Remember Laman and Lemuel believe Moses was a prophet and the people in Jerusalem are a righteous people. Lehi tries to teach them that the law of Moses points to a coming messiah who shall be called Jesus Christ, but they aren't having it. Laman and Lemuel reflect the view and perspective of the Jews of our day.
The Book of Mormon shows other views that would be held in our day from atheism, to there is no hell and all shall be saved at the last day and other views. Do you recognized the teachings the Book of Mormon warns us about? do you see in it patterns for our day?
As i understand the reason that these study groups were frowned upon was because some of these groups began to exclude others. There was the start of division. So the reason that the church hasn't recovered from that is because this is supposed to be Zion. One in heart. There were decades of pride that came from that time. I remember so many general conference talk about pride and including everyone. The rescent past i am seing a more inclusivity regardless of level of activity and scripture knowledge. And so i am seeing deeper study. The come follow me program has caused the group study to be within the family. Online groups open to everyone like the Isaiah institute, Joseph Smith papers or the Maxwell instituteand even scripture central. These are available to everyone. We even have an adult education group in pur stake.
Did he suggest a book other than his own?
Which order should we read Dr. Avrahams books?
My favorite and first was The Last Days - Types and Shadows from the Bible and the Book of Mormon, I would also recommend The End from The Beginning.
The foundational ones are:
The End from the Beginning, Isaiah Made Simple, Isaiah Decoded, and Isaiah: Prophet of the
End-Time.
Then it makes sense to read:
End-time prophecy
The Last Days Types and Shadows from the Book of Mormon
The literary message of Isaiah.
In the description it mentions 'aha' moments. Those aren't good types if you are also studying Isaiah.
True. I'd rather keep my cool ;)
Are these books on Isaiah on audio?
Yes, The entire Isaiah Institute translation of Isaiah, along with Avraham's personal commentary on his translation, as well as a series of podcasts entitled "Book of Mormon Isaiah" are all on audio, free of charge. If you want some of his books, you will need to purchase them, but they are inexpensive.
Ok, so when you talked about putting in the work and taking baby steps this clip is all I could think of from “what about Bob”. I could pictures us all pleading like that as we watched this excellent interview and exchange.
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I'm interested in hearing Avraham discuss all he has learned about the book of Isaiah. I guess he has had a lot of push back over the years, but when I listen to him, I want to glean from his knowledge. I'm really not interested in the political contention in the world and our country today.
He is very knowledgable. I try to pull from many sources.
I wish you would tell us which ones not to listen to as far as the Isaiah talkers( I’m assuming the other come follow me people) so I don’t waste my time
You mentioned what happened in every civilizations throughout the generations without connecting the dots. So many times, the Lord led the righteous out from the wicked. As we follow the prophet, that's what's happening in our time... the righteous are being led out of every nation and 1) gathering into the Stakes of Zion. Some will be gathered literally to Zion, Jackson County. We literally see this as students come to BYU Hawaii from dozens of nations to a Zion/The North Shore
Also, we can spin our wheel trying to understand Isaiah, or, we can look at these things more simply, knowing that the words of Isaiah as well as all the words of the Lord, lead us to Christ, to come into His presence in the Holy of Holies
And, to take upon ourselves the name of Christ whenever we do anything that he would do
And to be Peacemakers, Overcome the world and bring souls unto Christ
What else do you think Isaiah has to say?
Why was a lid put on it in the nineties???
Wait. what? What this idea at 1 hour and 8 mins in?
Brigham Young said the following about us and our expectations of the last days: “… the Gentiles will be as much mistaken in regard to his second advent as the Jews were in relation to the first.” (JD 8:115)
So how are we supposed to dive into the Isaiah code and understand Isaiah, if we can't afford his books. Are we doomed?
My first recommendation is to see how Isaiah is used in the Book of Mormon. How does Nephi couch the chapters he uses? What meaning does Nephi give to Isaiah? Then take what you learn to the rest of Isaiah.
And yes, I understand the flavor of your question.
Start with his free translation of Isaiah online (and even commentary).
You can go to his podcast “Isaiah book of Mormon” and listen to those 30 lectures. Absolutely fantastic and free.
Postage costs a fortune to get them to Australia too...
I don't want to know your political beliefs, I want to know about Isaiah
They say the second half of Isaiah is written by someone other than him
So they say.