The car no longer has a SBC, it now has an LS with a cam. To see more videos of the car, please see its new RUclips channel, ruclips.net/channel/UChrWFNr6tfT_JmRkHxG-nhg
I’m a Flowmaster man, always have been. The Black Widows sound like quieter straight pipe, and if that’s your thing, I’m sure you’re over the moon about them, but they’re a little too crackly and high-pitched for my taste. Maybe for a drag car or something, though. Cool that they’re not as droney as 40s, and I’m sure they flow better. I have Super 44s on both of my V8s (one pretty stock with long tube headers with high flow cats, one built pretty stout with a good cam, long-tubes, and no cats, both aluminum LS 5.3s) and they’re PERFECT and don’t drone much at all. Pretty nice old car, though, those aren’t usually in much of a shape. I had a nice-ish old S-3 Laguna for a little while back in probably 2006, no one ever knew what it was, haha!
Mines been called a monte carlo, GTO grand prix LTD etc. I love it. IT sat for years with a blown engine and dad never had the money to fix it, but id always play in it. I chose it over a 87 trans am with a 400 ponti. The only reason I went with the widows was because they sound absolutely wicked on a cammed LS. The flowmasters were over 20 years old, and had been on the car as long as i can remember, I guess i was just ready for a change.
@@metalhealth12 I totally get it, I get tired of perfectly good stuff and change it all the time, haha! Cool car, I hope the transplant goes well and I run across it again.
Yes sir, totally with you on this bro., I run a 1985 ford f150 regular cab 4wd 351windsor. True duals. Flow tech long tube headers with two flow master super 10's single chamber mufflers. No h pipe, no y pipe. No cats either. Sounds better than even borla exhaust.
@@mattisenberger4042 LOVE the sound of no-crossover duals on a carbureted V8. I don’t care if it makes less power and bottom torque, it just sounds RIGHT. For EFI, though, I prefer H- or X-pipes. Makes them sound even smoother than they already do. I have H-pipes on both my V8s, they sound great and I hear it improves throttle response and midrange torque, but I can’t say how true that is without extensive dyno tuning (I have Black Bear scan-cable tunes in them, which are probably close to the next best thing to chassis dyno tuning). If I had a carbureted motor, though, particularly a big-block, it’d be separate 3” duals with OG 40-series.
Im runnin Super10s on a 88 350 tbi Silverado and i really love the tone i get..... but those BlackWidow Venom are makin me think twice.....they sound so good on Chevy motors...your Chevy sounds so damn good im torn.
Black widows would sound so much better if they didn't sound hollow if that makes sense. Like talking into a long piece of pvc pipe at the hardware store when you were kid. Lol
Man that sounds killer, had a set of neighborhaters on my old 85 K1500, absolutely loved them! So of course I had to get some Black Widows for my new 98 K2500 🤙🏻
Used to have those same flowmasters on a sbf, manual. Throaty af. Drove around for more than 6 months w/ a broken stereo because I loved the sound so much.
My brother just put a black widow 10” widow maker on his Ford 4.2 v6 and that’s the best sounding v6 I’ve ever heard! No crap rasp and it’s deep sounding but it’s not that loud and there’s no drone
I love the snap crackle pop sound the black widows gave the car. They sound louder in the video though than the flowmaster 40s. Are they just louder outside of the car because they aren't droning like a flowmaster does and feel quieter from inside the car? I've had cherry bombs that were that way. Not much noise in the car but way louder outside of the car.
Old flow masters 40 without delta flow the original flowmasters we're ridiculous loud. I have a set on my 72 Nova neighbors hate me when I take the car out
Spintech 9000 cost a little more but they have a sound of there on and I don’t know why anybody would like that popping and cracking racket. Straight pipes sound better than black widows and every foxbody this side of Mississippi has the 40’s
Well ….. $30 bucks for a glasspack or $125 for a black widow( which sound pretty much the same) I’m gonna go with neither, but that seems to be the new thing today. Doesn’t have to sound good , just has to be loud as shit and pop
These mufflers are the kind that give you the exact sound of your engine. so if youre running a stock 350, 302, 351, or whatever, then thats the sound youre gonna get, at rpm they sounded good on the 350, but at an idle they made it sound like a tractor. I have since swapped the weak 350 with a cam and headers ls1 engine, they really wake the car up and give it a different sound with no noticeable drone. I have the videos on a different channel
Just so you know, "true duals" and "H-pipe" conflict with each other. "True duals" means there is no crossover, X-pipe, H-pipe, Y-pipe or otherwise. Two completely uninterrupted exhaust pipes going from one side's collector to the tip or dump without interacting with the other pipe.
I have true duals on my 390 FE with flows. It creates a more poppy exhaust note and I love it. Not raspy and poppy like a badly tuned engine with holes in the exhaust system.
True duals have no h pipe or y pipe bro. Just two separate individual pipes and mufflers per head. Like my 1985 ford f150. Flowmaster super 10's x2. Long tube flowtech headers. Real truck.
I love that deep rumble of flow masters idling but don’t like how they are quiet when revving.... any suggestions on what kind Of mufflers I should get. I’m runnning a 1980 Camaro 406 sbc
well, that all depends on you, and the car. For instance, My car is now an LS1 with a .553 lift 109 LSA cam, with the dual race venoms, full exhaust, and an H pipe, let me tell you, its probably the most unique sounding car ive ever heard, They are a smaller muffler thats loud when you give it beans, but quiet enough at an idle to still hear the radio. I like the race venom because there is almost no drone. But if your not wanting to piss off the entire neighborhood, id look at the venom 250s or 300s. Maybe even a set of borla xr1 mufflers. If your wanting to do it right with a classic deep rumble, Go for a full exhaust mufflers of your choice, with an H pipe . an H pipe gives you low end torque and a good deep rumble. If you wanted an X pipe, it would sound alittle more high pitched, like a race car, sort of. I like Black Widow, but that might not be your taste, id look at borla, SLP, Corsa. if you call borla, and tell them what you're trying to do, they'll custom make you an exhaust, and they are an American made company
@@metalhealth12 thanks for the information, I don’t really know a lot about exhaust systems, so this will definitely help me out. I’ll check into the venom 250s and see if I like them 👍🏼
@@jackbrown1025 This is a third gen chevelle dipsh!t. Even with an LS swap that ford is still slower than molasses. 'Ooooh look at me, I can do a power-brake on wet pavement' hurhurhur.🤣🤣
@@metalhealth12 basically you picked up the Chevelle year no body wanted and its primered . Congrats 🎉 Now go back n clock in at your local parts store at 12$ an hour where you belong
That doesn't even make sense my guy, The H pipe crossover is there to help with exhaust gas scavenging, evening out the flow between the pipes and getting exhaust gas out of the engine faster and more efficiently True dual means that each cylinder head has its own exhaust tube for exhaust gasses, and has nothing to do with the pipes 'meeting' when you have installed a crossover If you are running a dual exhaust with no cross over then you are only robbing yourself of performance gains, They will be small, but gains are still gains
@@metalhealth12 Sorry homeboy, shootermcgavin may have put it like a dick, but he is right. By your logic, every V-style engine is automatically true dual, as every V-style engine has two cylinder heads and thus must have it's own manifold or headers to connect to the exhaust. That would make the term pointless and redundant because it is implied if something is a V8, V6, or otherwise. This is not the case. True dual means that a car truly is dual exhaust, where the two exhaust pipes are separate systems as opposed to sharing flow and gasses. The term is universally used this way, as you will commonly hear someone ask "What kind of crossover does it have?" and the response will be: "Oh, no it's true duals." Never have I heard the term used to describe the unavoidable necessity of using pipes to direct exhaust out of the BOTH of a V8's cylinder heads. And yes, 9 times out of 10 true duals lack performance, but there is also a certain pride people take in the change in sound when running a completely disconnected "true" dual exhaust, hence why the very positive sounding word "true" is used instead of naming them "slow pipes" or something. True duals completely isolate the sound of both cylinder banks, thus creating a choppier, more percussive sound. This isn't to say true duals sound better, but people appreciate the different sound offered by true duals just the same as they appreciate the different sound offered by open headers, side pipes, stacks, etc.
The car no longer has a SBC, it now has an LS with a cam. To see more videos of the car, please see its new RUclips channel, ruclips.net/channel/UChrWFNr6tfT_JmRkHxG-nhg
I’m a Flowmaster man, always have been. The Black Widows sound like quieter straight pipe, and if that’s your thing, I’m sure you’re over the moon about them, but they’re a little too crackly and high-pitched for my taste. Maybe for a drag car or something, though. Cool that they’re not as droney as 40s, and I’m sure they flow better. I have Super 44s on both of my V8s (one pretty stock with long tube headers with high flow cats, one built pretty stout with a good cam, long-tubes, and no cats, both aluminum LS 5.3s) and they’re PERFECT and don’t drone much at all.
Pretty nice old car, though, those aren’t usually in much of a shape. I had a nice-ish old S-3 Laguna for a little while back in probably 2006, no one ever knew what it was, haha!
Mines been called a monte carlo, GTO grand prix LTD etc. I love it. IT sat for years with a blown engine and dad never had the money to fix it, but id always play in it. I chose it over a 87 trans am with a 400 ponti.
The only reason I went with the widows was because they sound absolutely wicked on a cammed LS. The flowmasters were over 20 years old, and had been on the car as long as i can remember, I guess i was just ready for a change.
@@metalhealth12 I totally get it, I get tired of perfectly good stuff and change it all the time, haha! Cool car, I hope the transplant goes well and I run across it again.
Yes sir, totally with you on this bro., I run a 1985 ford f150 regular cab 4wd 351windsor. True duals. Flow tech long tube headers with two flow master super 10's single chamber mufflers. No h pipe, no y pipe. No cats either. Sounds better than even borla exhaust.
@@mattisenberger4042 LOVE the sound of no-crossover duals on a carbureted V8. I don’t care if it makes less power and bottom torque, it just sounds RIGHT. For EFI, though, I prefer H- or X-pipes. Makes them sound even smoother than they already do. I have H-pipes on both my V8s, they sound great and I hear it improves throttle response and midrange torque, but I can’t say how true that is without extensive dyno tuning (I have Black Bear scan-cable tunes in them, which are probably close to the next best thing to chassis dyno tuning). If I had a carbureted motor, though, particularly a big-block, it’d be separate 3” duals with OG 40-series.
Im runnin Super10s on a 88 350 tbi Silverado and i really love the tone i get..... but those BlackWidow Venom are makin me think twice.....they sound so good on Chevy motors...your Chevy sounds so damn good im torn.
Flowmasters sounded better but hey that’s just my opinion sounds good either way.
Flowmaster all the way.
Flowmaster is my choice as well.
Yep super 10 all day can't get enough of the real beast sound....been trying to find something better but I can't.. flow master allday
Black widows would sound so much better if they didn't sound hollow if that makes sense. Like talking into a long piece of pvc pipe at the hardware store when you were kid. Lol
I always liked that body of Chevelle and haven't seen one in real-life for so many years. Great stuff!
In fact.... This is the video that inspired me to go with these mufflers ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I like the black widows more ima do it to my 77 Chevy nova that’s getting swapped rn
Man that sounds killer, had a set of neighborhaters on my old 85 K1500, absolutely loved them! So of course I had to get some Black Widows for my new 98 K2500 🤙🏻
How loud were they thinking about doing a cat back 3” to the NH
On my 5.3 tahoe
@@jarynmcneely5988 pretty loud but decent, drone was bad at any speed over 110KM/H but other then that it was bearable
On the 85 where they to loud to talk in the cab or lot of drone?
@@79c15 they were pretty good, had no problem talking in the cab.
I can go either way. They both sound great. The flowmaster is much more reasonably priced.
Used to have those same flowmasters on a sbf, manual. Throaty af. Drove around for more than 6 months w/ a broken stereo because I loved the sound so much.
I'm with you, no stereos in any of my cars. They play the best music ever.
Hi there. The 40 series sounds great in he idle. But in the gear it doesn't. Therefore I decide for the black widow. Thanks for your example. 👍
You can't beat the flow master sound but I went with the black widow too
Black widow for the win. Only people who like flowmasters are old foagies who grew up in the 60’s-80’s and young kids who don’t know any other brands.
My brother just put a black widow 10” widow maker on his Ford 4.2 v6 and that’s the best sounding v6 I’ve ever heard! No crap rasp and it’s deep sounding but it’s not that loud and there’s no drone
AGREED, flowmaster is a boomer brand. Lame
@@RedlineDR1200 no...I love my 40 in my Dodge. It sounds damn good
Only people who attack people for liking a particular brand of mufflers are the ones who will hold one until the swelling goes down.
Thinks he's getting younger😂
This is a really good comparison video.
Man i love the sound of race venoms 😍
Amazing that the race venoms are smaller and quieter than the 40s
Flows win again hard to beat 40 series
Awesome video!!
I love the snap crackle pop sound the black widows gave the car. They sound louder in the video though than the flowmaster 40s. Are they just louder outside of the car because they aren't droning like a flowmaster does and feel quieter from inside the car? I've had cherry bombs that were that way. Not much noise in the car but way louder outside of the car.
Black widow caught my eye because I hear they have very low drone
Black widow is icing’s on the cake 😂
Sounds better with the Flowmasters
Until you hear the drone on the inside
@@stunnasam21 I like the drone
I have no issues with drone.
Love the drone. Flowmasters sound mean and have a deeper tone.
Seems to me that everybody that complains about drone needs to stop pulling their interiors out.
Old flow masters 40 without delta flow the original flowmasters we're ridiculous loud. I have a set on my 72 Nova neighbors hate me when I take the car out
Spintech 9000 cost a little more but they have a sound of there on and I don’t know why anybody would like that popping and cracking racket. Straight pipes sound better than black widows and every foxbody this side of Mississippi has the 40’s
Nothing sounds like an American V8
Well ….. $30 bucks for a glasspack or $125 for a black widow( which sound pretty much the same) I’m gonna go with neither, but that seems to be the new thing today. Doesn’t have to sound good , just has to be loud as shit and pop
These mufflers are the kind that give you the exact sound of your engine. so if youre running a stock 350, 302, 351, or whatever, then thats the sound youre gonna get, at rpm they sounded good on the 350, but at an idle they made it sound like a tractor. I have since swapped the weak 350 with a cam and headers ls1 engine, they really wake the car up and give it a different sound with no noticeable drone. I have the videos on a different channel
Just so you know, "true duals" and "H-pipe" conflict with each other. "True duals" means there is no crossover, X-pipe, H-pipe, Y-pipe or otherwise. Two completely uninterrupted exhaust pipes going from one side's collector to the tip or dump without interacting with the other pipe.
I have true duals on my 390 FE with flows. It creates a more poppy exhaust note and I love it. Not raspy and poppy like a badly tuned engine with holes in the exhaust system.
True duals have no h pipe or y pipe bro. Just two separate individual pipes and mufflers per head. Like my 1985 ford f150. Flowmaster super 10's x2. Long tube flowtech headers. Real truck.
Did it do anything for it or just make noise ?
Dynamic race bullets for the win
Black widow 👍👍👍
I love that deep rumble of flow masters idling but don’t like how they are quiet when revving.... any suggestions on what kind Of mufflers I should get. I’m runnning a 1980 Camaro 406 sbc
well, that all depends on you, and the car. For instance, My car is now an LS1 with a .553 lift 109 LSA cam, with the dual race venoms, full exhaust, and an H pipe, let me tell you, its probably the most unique sounding car ive ever heard, They are a smaller muffler thats loud when you give it beans, but quiet enough at an idle to still hear the radio. I like the race venom because there is almost no drone. But if your not wanting to piss off the entire neighborhood, id look at the venom 250s or 300s. Maybe even a set of borla xr1 mufflers.
If your wanting to do it right with a classic deep rumble, Go for a full exhaust mufflers of your choice, with an H pipe . an H pipe gives you low end torque and a good deep rumble. If you wanted an X pipe, it would sound alittle more high pitched, like a race car, sort of. I like Black Widow, but that might not be your taste, id look at borla, SLP, Corsa. if you call borla, and tell them what you're trying to do, they'll custom make you an exhaust, and they are an American made company
@@metalhealth12 thanks for the information, I don’t really know a lot about exhaust systems, so this will definitely help me out. I’ll check into the venom 250s and see if I like them 👍🏼
Check my vids...I've got a 40 flowmaster with no cats on my truck...it's not quiet while revving at all.
40 series Flowmaster. Can't go wrong ever with them
No cats and 40 series
Black Widows are so much better than Flowmasters!
BLACK WIDOWS MAKE IT SOUND LIKE A FORD , FLOW MASTERS SOUNDED WAY BETTER
Your car sounds healthy for a stock 350
Is that a mullet? Joe Dirt behind the lens?
Might be your moms mullet.
@@metalhealth12 ahh .. that explains why the car is so dam slow
@@metalhealth12 you couldn’t afford a real Chevelle? Got a second gen reject ? At least my cars n trucks painted Joe Dirt 🫡🤣🤣🤣
@@jackbrown1025 This is a third gen chevelle dipsh!t. Even with an LS swap that ford is still slower than molasses. 'Ooooh look at me, I can do a power-brake on wet pavement' hurhurhur.🤣🤣
@@metalhealth12 basically you picked up the Chevelle year no body wanted and its primered . Congrats 🎉 Now go back n clock in at your local parts store at 12$ an hour where you belong
I run black widow and I think they sound good but I've got 40series on another one I go with the widow because everyone runs flowmaster
Flowmaster sounds better but your car you're choices
Flowmaster wo question
Flowmaster
What cam is in this 1???
Black widow
Flowmaster sounds more muscle. Too bad they drone so bad. Black widows flow better tho
Sounds good man but ur 750 is way too big.
Black widow venom 2.5 sounds better than the flowmaster. The flowmasters are way to quiet
That year Chevelle was the ugliest one ever but it sounds good
If those didn't pop and Crack I'd say venom,but nah
Chambered mufflers sound like tin cans…. Never liked that, magnaflow magnapacks have a nice deep sound and clean.
Black Widows are to loud. Just my opinion. I run Magnaflow. Quieter than Flow Master.
He's running the Race Venom mufflers so yeah they're gonna be loud. The 250's and 300's are more quiet
The 6" neighborhaters are the loudest muffler they got, the race Venom is a good in between
Yes I have a set on my el camino and man they are loud as hell. Taking them off looking for something quieter
“Too” loud. Not “to”. Grammar grammar grammar
Do not put the terms "true dual" and "H pipe" together. True duel is both exhaust sides NEVER meet. Its either true dual or not
That doesn't even make sense my guy,
The H pipe crossover is there to help with exhaust gas scavenging, evening out the flow between the pipes and getting exhaust gas out of the engine faster and more efficiently
True dual means that each cylinder head has its own exhaust tube for exhaust gasses, and has nothing to do with the pipes 'meeting' when you have installed a crossover
If you are running a dual exhaust with no cross over then you are only robbing yourself of performance gains, They will be small, but gains are still gains
@@metalhealth12 Sorry homeboy, shootermcgavin may have put it like a dick, but he is right.
By your logic, every V-style engine is automatically true dual, as every V-style engine has two cylinder heads and thus must have it's own manifold or headers to connect to the exhaust. That would make the term pointless and redundant because it is implied if something is a V8, V6, or otherwise. This is not the case.
True dual means that a car truly is dual exhaust, where the two exhaust pipes are separate systems as opposed to sharing flow and gasses. The term is universally used this way, as you will commonly hear someone ask "What kind of crossover does it have?" and the response will be: "Oh, no it's true duals."
Never have I heard the term used to describe the unavoidable necessity of using pipes to direct exhaust out of the BOTH of a V8's cylinder heads.
And yes, 9 times out of 10 true duals lack performance, but there is also a certain pride people take in the change in sound when running a completely disconnected "true" dual exhaust, hence why the very positive sounding word "true" is used instead of naming them "slow pipes" or something. True duals completely isolate the sound of both cylinder banks, thus creating a choppier, more percussive sound. This isn't to say true duals sound better, but people appreciate the different sound offered by true duals just the same as they appreciate the different sound offered by open headers, side pipes, stacks, etc.
Black widow 👎