First encounter with Primordial Malzeno (Strength Hammer) - 原初を刻むメル･ゼナ ハンマー ソロ 【サンブレイク】
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2023
- Primordial Malzeno is a great fight. It has a surprisingly simple moveset, but it does a lot with it.
The Knight motif of this monster was incredibly well nailed through its animations. Using one of its wings as a shield, and its other wing and tail as a spear.
The way it uses its wing as a spear in general looks so cool. One of its attacks where it stabs once then swipes even looks like Lance's Insta-Block counter.
It's also a surprisingly active monster. While the first thing that immediately struck me in this encounter is the fact that Primordial Malzeno is slightly slower than Malzeno, it still chains its moveset fast with low downtime.
I'm talking about the "pure" Knight Primordial Malzeno here however ; because if we talk about its corrupted Knight phase, then i think it is much worse.
The way Primordial Malzeno's Bloodlust state is designed is that it's going to chain a certain number of attacks in a row, then finish off with a Qurio explosion, and then finally be vulnerable.
My problem with this phase is that only a few weapons can really deal with it instead of waiting it out. As a Hammer main and player, this phase basically becomes a Super Mario-esque Boss where, after damaging the Boss, it enters an invincible state and you have to avoid its attacks for a minute before you can get damage in again.
Hammer cannot do anything in this state except wait it out. You have no counters, except Water Strike, but getting a followup is too slow since Primordial Malzeno is going to chain another 5 moves before it stops.
This is extremely frustrating and I feel like it's bad design. If only counter heavy or guarding weapons can get through a phase without having to wait it out, I think it's bad design. The worst is that really only Hammer and maybe Hunting Horn players will have it like this.
After fighting it a few times, especially the Hazard version, I really do like Primordial Malzeno, but I wish the Knight phase was what we fought for longer.
Now my dear viewers, I'd like your opinion, could I have reacted to the move that carted me?
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My goodness he actually died
yeah i feel that for a speedrunner that final phase would be kinda ass but for a casual runner like me it is so unbelievably cool that his final phase has a completely different method of taking him on compared to basically any other monster, where u quite literally need to wait ur turn to deal damage, plus the constant bombardment is super cool.
wait your turn, is what I felt from his fight, it was easy but I never made it to the final stage cause I got tired of it so I just died due to "not even caring anymore"
I dont know why but this fight is not hard, but to me its a challance to find it interesting enough to finish.
tried it solo twice, got tired and just let him kill me and since then, just left it. literally dont care.
@@thedazzlingape2006 skill issue idk what else to say man
@@amanlyspoon6257 I finally beat it, it was infuriatingly boring, which was made even worse by fiorayne prolonging the fight by distracting him all the time and her dog too.
the fact that you can't choose to solo every quest, is bullshit.
but yea, the fight is not good, its just a bunch of combos and explosions thats his gimmick.
easy to figure out, easy to deal with and boring having to wait around "are you done yet? can I go now?"
@@thedazzlingape2006 L take
Nothing like being repeatedly bludgeoned with a hammer to knock the parasites out of you
"Bloodblight is not his power, it's a symptom!" dr. Gregory House :P
I related to that cart on a spiritual level lmao. This entire quest seems like a really cool way to finish the game, I hope more games get more cinematic quests like this.
The layered armor color glitching in the cutscene had me crying
This fight actually has a surprising amount of blindspots. I found quite a few moves that seemed like they should hit not hitting. Kind of annoying for instablock lance in that regard. But damn does lance have an easy time with this fight otherwise. With hammer, I had my ass handed to me.
Btw Lynn, it's been a joy following you since the start of Sunbreak. I hope to see you in future titles.
Primordial Malzeno is probably the only elder dragon that thanked us in all of monster hunter games
truly the most lovely final update, I also would love to see more of Malzeno in the future monster hunter games.
edit: that attack u got carted with was the same level of coolness Valstrax's ambush is :DD
you could argue the same with Ceadeus
Definitely felt the same way about the final phase when doing the fight on hammer. When I switched over to DB for the fight, my opinions kind of reversed. Instead, I find myself wishing he was in that phase for more of the fight since I felt it was the most fun part of the db matchup.
luckily, in the hazard quest in MR6 he goes into that mode halfway through instead of right at the end.
@@Paradox1012 22% hp
Thanks fiorayne
Do you think the slottage and natural sharpness will allow the new hammer to overtake the Dark Morte as the go-to dragon element courage hammer despite the lower raw and dragon attack? And also thoughts on the armour? Also thanks for all your guides on my fave weapon in Rise
Beautiful run
Love a good midriff 😊
I think there's blindspots on the move that carted you there, I remember being like in the middle of the move and not getting hit, but I may be mistaken. It comes out quick, but if it has the blindspots in between each beam, the hitbox is surprisingly small and much more reactable. Requires very good reaction time yes, but reactable nonetheless I feel. I also think it may be I-Frameable with a regular roll pretty reasonable as it seems to be so quick. You were also in perfect position to keeping sway through it, but it caught you off guard since it requires such a fast reaction time. I don't think it was unfair, but just brutal.
In the context of this run it was impossible to react to it. The beams were all close to each other due to the camera angle and I could not see the gaps in between them at all.
After fighting it again a few times it's more obvious now, and it's possible to water strike the beams. It's impossible to roll through them though, even keeping sway invincibility doesn't last long enough, as they linger despite the visuals.
@@dynamo_lynn Ah, I see, makes sense. He really is a lot harder the first time fighting him, he does so much stuff that catches you off guard with his unpredictability. I think the more I fight him the more fair he seems, it's just his fighting style is so unique and hard to adapt to. Haven't lost to him yet, but I doe at least once every time I fight him (usually because I like playing risky lol, I've fought him 9 times.)
@@FrostyTheCookie He is very fair. My thoughts about him already changed today after fighting it a good amount of times for tomorrow's video. I'll probably give my full thoughts on it in a community post, because there's a lot of other things aside from the fight itself I didn't talk about in the description of this first encounter :p
@@dynamo_lynn Can't wait to see that! There is so much amazing about this guy even outside of the fight, one of the most interesting monsters in the series for sure! The fact that he essentially Switch Scroll Swaps in the fight, utilizing the mechanic introduced in sunbreak is so cool. Not to mention he's so incredibly intelligent, even for an Elder Dragon.
I feel that the final phase would be easy for how I can play, I use a gl bullet barrage build and I’m already used to waiting for the recharge of wire bugs
Such a disappointment thay we didn't got to actually fight the Qurio alongside PriMalzeno it would have been cool for the gameplay at least.
7:11 ... that was the closest thing to death possible. Holy cow.
That final phase is why i went with lance. LBG would get eaten alive with all the rapid fire moves it does😅
MAYBE you could have keeping swayed out of it, but ngl that was a cheap cart. Literally got the "nothing personal, kid" treatment
long story short everyone carted to this beast. Super cool fight though
I've strangely had more success with Hunting Horn. Specifically the scorned magnamalo one spamming sonic barrier to just "No" his Mega demon Drug phase. This combined with Blood rite and Bloodblight and i ended up healing through all the damage he was doing while still swinging thanks to sonic barrier song spam. All in all a fantastic monster to end off sunbreak and his armor is just *chefs kiss* in terms of design. Dont know about functionality part in it tho.
What armor piece of sinister grudge are you using for hell fire cloak ?
This is a year old video
I had a god damn blast with this fight, it's just way shorter than I would've liked. I was hoping it'd have health on par with the risen Elders but I guess they really just wanted this to be a cool spectacle finish. Regardless still. a really good fight imo. My favorite combo of his is when he force the hunter into the "laid the fuck out" state but if you try to get up he shield charges you into a tail stab. Almost like he's saying "SIT BACK DOWN".
As for the move that carted you I would say a solid "probably". Like obviously not knowing the move at all makes it damn near impossible to know what it is, but the lights and the gap between them are hints enough when we've seen move that are similar to it. Though you were also in a REALLY bad spot.
Yeah, there was no way you could have done anything on that cart, I only think dive would've saved you
What armour you used against Primordial Malzeno?
Lord dynamo 🫡
thoughts on blood awakening? meta or not
It's meta for casual players and meta for cheesing through the Anomaly Research grind. It's not meta for damage.
@@dynamo_lynn thx
What leg armor are those?
Man, I use hammer for more than 2000h, but compare to You I am at baginner level😅
I’ve tried 25 plus times and he kills me every time really think this is a joke or something people who have beat it have dedicated friends they play with. Solo it’s impossible.
It's possible solo just like any other fight in the game.
Primordial Malzeno is nice but I'll admit that the last phase is just awful gameplay wise. Also I don't think you could have reacted to the move. That said if you were worse at the game, P Malz does a weaker version of the move before the last phase but you went too fast and didn't get to experience it. I like calling the last phase "Demonlord" phase since it's how it's presented by the NPCs
I felt that at first, absolutely no openings, quick AoE attacks and projectiles, but once it's all over a HUGE opening. Also, the pattern of attacks it's always the same.
So yeah, it's frustrating and punishing at times, but it really shows that its combo game needs to be respected. A worthy final to the game, showing through the fight that you can't just road roll everything