Quick update here I missread the notices. The UNIT has to be level 99 not the VC to equip sub-vc's. Just went back and reread to confirm this. Sorry about that!
Man it's kinda crazy how many mechanics this game has already and the inclusion of Double VC's and Trust Stones add even more to it! I like the depth, but I can imagine how overwhelming this game could be for other newer players.
Over 700 logins and I’m still overwhelmed. This video helps a lot. Trust stones or whatever? That’ll take me forever I’m so OCD. I just hope the game doesn’t become “Bells with ABCDEF or disband”
Also, the WC troll barely Legend guild IVC has turned the channel back to what it was during Cetra, where a lot of them came from. Just people “sips lean” and when they’re done they have a “shift change”. Losers who literally just sit and lie and bully everyone. The WC needs to be moderated or this game will die. I’m not doing Gumi’s job for them. I stayed in my bronze guild because I like helping new players. I have to leave for better statues at some point. So that’s what new players experience as the other channels are not used for what they are intended for, they’re just people begging for friends or recruiting. Seriously man, Gumi needs to moderate these channels or almost every new player leaves, whale or not. If you don’t thank someone for answering a question they come at you feeling entitled to be worshiped, not thanked. That is the true state of the game, Gumi knows, has never addressed my question about it in livestream or community chat. Sure they have new TOS. That does nothing if they don’t moderate. So stay strong new players and ignore the WC filth
Great tips! Thanks for the heads up on two headed dragon and mindflayer combo. Black Rose Helena dropping 16,999 dmg on Brutal Shadowbringers Raid Revival
thank you for the explanation! i'm not intimidated w/ this upgrade anymore. back when i was new, i focused on the roles and then got the MR VCs i could easily upgrade. i got lucky on some pulls and upgraded one UR card at a time. don't chase the card. let it come to you. if you decide to chase it, go hard on it if it's limited. it's not as expensive as a character. i still don't have all the major UR VCs upgraded. bahamuth will be a unicorn in my list. but, i have what i wanted maxed out. good luck on all your pulls this anniversary! thanks for the great vid! see you on the next one.
Appreciate the explanations and the breakdown on the percentages of the different stat types. It is very nice for JP farming when building up a new Unit. It'll be even more amazing when using a friend's unit companion that has 2 of the JP VC as well.
Damn, I get veteran players are probably really happy about this, but Im still fairly new(since ff7 collab) and Im still building VCs and espers; I do hope they at least give us new players some type of catch up mechanic, because theres none atm unless you pay big bucks. This will be a HUGE power scale to veteran players that will leave us new players even more behind than what we already are. Does anyone know if they plan to do something about this?
Even veteran players fall into the trap of "OMG SHINY NEW UNITS" and gloss over most VCs. Everyone will be hurting for VCs when this update drops haha. I personally have been focused on VCs for my acct for quite a few months now since I knew this was coming and Im still not ready XD
I'm also a newer player and share the same concerns, it's difficult to get the decent vision cards and even more difficult to power them up fully so it's going to be hard on newer players
This is the perfect example of when details need to be clearly and explicitly shown at all times when set things up. The fact we need to use WOTV calc as a reference for all of this and not in the game itself is absolutely nuts! (Unless I am wrong and it is, then I will edit/delete this comment :)).
Well the problem is this is a preview for an upcoming mechanic. Honestly not sure how it will look in game yet ( I imagine there will be like red numbers or something on the sub vc's to indicate what is happening)
The fact we have to use WotV-Calc at all is ridiculous. This game was obviously made for a pc client with Android emulation with content creators in mind. That’s the only reason for a point and click interface. Try playing the game on iOS with only in-game news and no help from anyone but tutorials in-game. You can’t even tell what most things are. “The markings on the ST gives you a hint as to what it’s for” doesn’t help whatsoever. Recipes and effects or affects? Nope. You’re flying blind and that’s not what this game should be. I love my content creators or I wouldn’t be able to do 90% of anything. It’s a double edged sword.
Im a new player (20 days) i like everything in this game. What i liked the most is this game is not p2w. The generous free level 99 unit, tons of awesome freebies like unit tickets, shards etc are mind blowing. But i have 1 wish that someday become reality ....the colab with "tactics ogre: let us cling together"
The in-game notice indicates that only the unit has to be level 99 to equip a second card. The card itself must be level 99 in order to use its vision ability.
That's gotta be tough being a new player. I saw that new players do get a lvl 99 unit now which is great but I do feel like they should do more. This game has 2 years of content to catch up on and thats super tough without some freebies. I think R and below cards, espers, equipment, and units should be fully built for everyone for free.
Its my biggest complaint about long running mobile games in general, how hard it is for a new player to get into it. Even with all the QoL updates that have come along it will still take months to close the gap IMO. I loved GBF but started many years late and never felt like I was caught up.
pvp is going to be nuts ohh man so many teams to try out with all the new stuff ohhhh man my Robb loves to hit that 11999 cap pfffff no more lets goooooooooooooooo
Ruin Sterne is going to be blasting mofos. Give him the Perks of Having Charm VC for a unit effect 1500 dmg, have him run 2hd for the 2500 boost, and slap mind flayer tentacle monster on for an additional 2000, plus his 2000 boost damage node, and when golden blade +6 is around with the 1500 dmg increase.... ohhh boy! 9500 cap increase for one of the top dmg dealers in the game.
I actually think it doesn't work like this. I believe you can only get 1 main VC damage limit up and 1 sub VC damage limit up. Otherwise MY GOD THE DAMAGE
Have u think abount it record the mouse pointer? this way u can show on screen what u are "pointing".. perhaps better than be limited to the green screen.. just a sugestion tho Good work as always
Love your content auronnj. As interesting as the new mechanics seem I'm half dreading them. Just seems like the p2w and f2p gap gets wider and the game in general more Grindy. Definitely going to drive some existing and newer players away. Hope it's not as bad as it seems.
The VC changes benefit long time f2p players more than they are realizing IMO. Any VC you have previously invested in, or MR VC you have built up just got new life. The Trust stones are going to be a completely different beast and Im not sure how those fall into play yet as far as paying / free players but the VC change is honestly just good for people who have invested time into the game.
I was under the impression that "sub slot" VC's only effects the unit that had it equipped? I didn't realize these were stacking to the entire party, lol
@Auronnj Jayy Lazy question here. Do you think you could post those number graphics on like a Google Sheets document and share it with us, pretty please? I'm a big time numbers guy and having to look every where while theory crafting makes this very daunting.
@@AuronnjJayy ya none of the charts/lists/etc. mention it... but the calculator seems to apply 50%. Hopefully that's accurate, 50% is a reasonable agility value to transfer.
My biggest question about the new VC system is still unanswered after watching almost every big wotv youtuber's video: what kind of buff STACK and what DOESN'T? What exactly is the specificity?
Everything stacks, you can stack a buff from a main slot and sub slot, you just don't get 100% of the buff from the sub slot For example: ATK up from a single main slot will stack with an ATK buff from a single sub slot.
@@AuronnjJayy thanks for the reply man! but...do they tho? like winter holiday n Ahriman, both wind ATK, Ahriman as 2nd VC would be the same 25% up as winter holiday, will they stack? what if a second member use Ifrit as 2nd VC? things like these. im asking coz i don't have some of these cards so i can't try too many different scenarios, specific info like these would hugely sway players like me from going for these VCs or not in the future. would be totally appreciated if u can update something specific when u get ur hands on with ur big account.
Are we sure that things like attack percent buffs stack ADDITIONALLY? I don't know the answer, but it matters. For example, you said (+25%) + (+25%) = +50%. Are we sure it's not (+25%) x (+25%) = 1.25^2 = +56.25%?
im confused over "agility" buffs, like BRH card or Chocobo. Would that work? Also, I have a curious question about "multi" Say two players use the same cards but in oposites like Sub Main. Like Garvel card main VC, BRH sub VC. And the other player does the reverse with Garvells as the Sub VC. Would these work in Multi? Anyways Tomorrow we can see how that all works. This and TMR runes will make selection Quests so Much easier. I'm exited the wait is almost Over. The TMR runes will really give some wiggle room for Builds. It makes the game much more complex, I just hope they make it easy to manipulate runes. It would be nice if we can swap them around without much cost so that way it gives alot of opportunity to fine tune and try different things.
@@AuronnjJayy Ya and also, in Multi. Sub and main VCs do Stack in different slots. Like Black rose Helena sub on one person and main on the other both gives the buffs. Pretty powerfull stuff for Raids. And runes aren't Locked to TMRS which is amazing for swapping and tinkering. 5.0 is a good patch. I only wish they maybe had more ways of Buying into Regular visiore. i've got about 40k right now, and i'm on the fence about saving it. If I could pick a Unit it would be Cloud but it's looking pretty Slim. Having tons of fun re-evaluating my VCs and starting to look at low level trust stones to get it going :P I feel like this is the point where I can semi catch up to the upper tier of players. Seperate myself from the more casual players via this trust stone business. It took my brain the whole day to really digest this new system while clearing the nearly a dozen Maps for the Elemental quests oh boy. I'm not a fan of the Ultra expensive coins system for TMR Stones in the mog shops. It really makes me consider is an Auto click farmer the true top tier strategy at this rate. Farming these maps in multi 300 a day is pretty wild for these daily TMR runes LOL
@@AuronnjJayy The challenge missions aren't all working also. So many prizes are bugged. They changed the "awaken mont x5" to clear quest missions because it was Bugged objective or something. Free 120 Mont for a new player alongside free 99 stern. They are hooking new players up big time to get right into 99s and ex. the last challenge board has Weed for Mont 120, refunding your 120 mont sort of GG
The lvl 99 VC requirement is gonna sting abit 😬 What about the elemental buff that the VC gets? Will it be 100% in the Sub slot? Or just some percentage? IE 2 headed dragon gave Dark units Beast killer 25 in the sub slot will that be the same? 🤔
I really hate how this is limited to lvl 99 vision cards instead of just max level. As a pretty new player with only 1 lvl 99 and a handful of 85s I think I'm going to suddenly be actually less powerful than everyone else I'm fighting than I already was.
That is one of my fears as well. I don’t have a lot of resources to get a card to 99. A new player will be extremely turned off at this large barrier to entry if more challenging content comes around. You see this happening in raids already.
I went back and checked on this and I actually missread the description here. Your UNIT needs to be level 99 to equip a sub VC, not the main VC. This should be much much easier
So I thought it was based on the unit being 99, but it's actually the primary vision card level? Well that sucks, I've only got 4 vision cards at 99, got some work to do lol
NVM: Found. it (ruclips.net/video/RUwqqh1e25Q/видео.html) Do you have a video that sort of summarises the game for someone wanting to get into it, what does a strong start look like? What are the priorities when starting out, big traps to avoid etc? I played when the game launched but only for a little while, like 2 months tops but kinda want to get back into it and I have no idea if my account is even worth keeping, or if I reroll. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
Quick update here I missread the notices. The UNIT has to be level 99 not the VC to equip sub-vc's. Just went back and reread to confirm this. Sorry about that!
What about AGI? Is it 50%?
wow good to know.
Man it's kinda crazy how many mechanics this game has already and the inclusion of Double VC's and Trust Stones add even more to it! I like the depth, but I can imagine how overwhelming this game could be for other newer players.
Been playing for 3 weeks and is overwhelming AF lol!!! Very hard to lvl units to 120
Agreed!
Over 700 logins and I’m still overwhelmed. This video helps a lot. Trust stones or whatever? That’ll take me forever I’m so OCD. I just hope the game doesn’t become “Bells with ABCDEF or disband”
Also, the WC troll barely Legend guild IVC has turned the channel back to what it was during Cetra, where a lot of them came from. Just people “sips lean” and when they’re done they have a “shift change”. Losers who literally just sit and lie and bully everyone. The WC needs to be moderated or this game will die. I’m not doing Gumi’s job for them. I stayed in my bronze guild because I like helping new players. I have to leave for better statues at some point. So that’s what new players experience as the other channels are not used for what they are intended for, they’re just people begging for friends or recruiting. Seriously man, Gumi needs to moderate these channels or almost every new player leaves, whale or not. If you don’t thank someone for answering a question they come at you feeling entitled to be worshiped, not thanked. That is the true state of the game, Gumi knows, has never addressed my question about it in livestream or community chat. Sure they have new TOS. That does nothing if they don’t moderate. So stay strong new players and ignore the WC filth
@@LZephirox it’s not meant to be fast. Chill. It does take time but events do make it easier
Great tips! Thanks for the heads up on two headed dragon and mindflayer combo. Black Rose Helena dropping 16,999 dmg on Brutal Shadowbringers Raid Revival
Thanks again for the raid yesterday on Twitch! I knew you streamed but only thought you did RUclips live for some reason!
thank you for the explanation! i'm not intimidated w/ this upgrade anymore.
back when i was new, i focused on the roles and then got the MR VCs i could easily upgrade. i got lucky on some pulls and upgraded one UR card at a time. don't chase the card. let it come to you. if you decide to chase it, go hard on it if it's limited. it's not as expensive as a character.
i still don't have all the major UR VCs upgraded. bahamuth will be a unicorn in my list. but, i have what i wanted maxed out.
good luck on all your pulls this anniversary!
thanks for the great vid! see you on the next one.
Appreciate the explanations and the breakdown on the percentages of the different stat types. It is very nice for JP farming when building up a new Unit. It'll be even more amazing when using a friend's unit companion that has 2 of the JP VC as well.
Damn, I get veteran players are probably really happy about this, but Im still fairly new(since ff7 collab) and Im still building VCs and espers; I do hope they at least give us new players some type of catch up mechanic, because theres none atm unless you pay big bucks. This will be a HUGE power scale to veteran players that will leave us new players even more behind than what we already are. Does anyone know if they plan to do something about this?
They are giving away 3 free pretty good vision cards and stuff to build them at 2nd anniversary... that will help.
Even veteran players fall into the trap of "OMG SHINY NEW UNITS" and gloss over most VCs. Everyone will be hurting for VCs when this update drops haha. I personally have been focused on VCs for my acct for quite a few months now since I knew this was coming and Im still not ready XD
I'm also a newer player and share the same concerns, it's difficult to get the decent vision cards and even more difficult to power them up fully so it's going to be hard on newer players
This is the perfect example of when details need to be clearly and explicitly shown at all times when set things up. The fact we need to use WOTV calc as a reference for all of this and not in the game itself is absolutely nuts! (Unless I am wrong and it is, then I will edit/delete this comment :)).
Well the problem is this is a preview for an upcoming mechanic. Honestly not sure how it will look in game yet ( I imagine there will be like red numbers or something on the sub vc's to indicate what is happening)
The fact we have to use WotV-Calc at all is ridiculous. This game was obviously made for a pc client with Android emulation with content creators in mind. That’s the only reason for a point and click interface. Try playing the game on iOS with only in-game news and no help from anyone but tutorials in-game. You can’t even tell what most things are. “The markings on the ST gives you a hint as to what it’s for” doesn’t help whatsoever. Recipes and effects or affects? Nope. You’re flying blind and that’s not what this game should be. I love my content creators or I wouldn’t be able to do 90% of anything. It’s a double edged sword.
Thanks for the info! Can't wait for the next raid!
Big ups for that Legend of Dragoon bgm!
Thanks for the guide!
Good vid as always. Welldone AJ👍
Appreciate it!
When the teacher says "I don't have the math on me right now..." 😅 Great explanation and video! So crazy how evolved the mechanics are becoming.
The panic when I realized I might have to do math on the spot .... blinded me from how damn easy the math was LOL
Im a new player (20 days) i like everything in this game. What i liked the most is this game is not p2w. The generous free level 99 unit, tons of awesome freebies like unit tickets, shards etc are mind blowing.
But i have 1 wish that someday become reality ....the colab with "tactics ogre: let us cling together"
Oh yeah that would be an awesome collab!! Welcome to the game
The in-game notice indicates that only the unit has to be level 99 to equip a second card. The card itself must be level 99 in order to use its vision ability.
That's gotta be tough being a new player. I saw that new players do get a lvl 99 unit now which is great but I do feel like they should do more. This game has 2 years of content to catch up on and thats super tough without some freebies. I think R and below cards, espers, equipment, and units should be fully built for everyone for free.
Its my biggest complaint about long running mobile games in general, how hard it is for a new player to get into it. Even with all the QoL updates that have come along it will still take months to close the gap IMO. I loved GBF but started many years late and never felt like I was caught up.
VCs are becoming more and more important than ever. Time to start pulling for them just as hard as units lol.
VCs have been more important since the start of the game.
pvp is going to be nuts ohh man so many teams to try out with all the new stuff ohhhh man my Robb loves to hit that 11999 cap pfffff no more lets goooooooooooooooo
Ruin Sterne is going to be blasting mofos. Give him the Perks of Having Charm VC for a unit effect 1500 dmg, have him run 2hd for the 2500 boost, and slap mind flayer tentacle monster on for an additional 2000, plus his 2000 boost damage node, and when golden blade +6 is around with the 1500 dmg increase.... ohhh boy! 9500 cap increase for one of the top dmg dealers in the game.
DAMN! Thats crazy!! Looking forward to it.
I actually think it doesn't work like this. I believe you can only get 1 main VC damage limit up and 1 sub VC damage limit up. Otherwise MY GOD THE DAMAGE
@@AuronnjJayy perks card is a unit effect buff, not party like 2hd and tentacle monster, so hopefully it would stack.
It clearly said in the announcement that you need character level 99 to equip sub VC
Have u think abount it record the mouse pointer? this way u can show on screen what u are "pointing".. perhaps better than be limited to the green screen.. just a sugestion tho
Good work as always
Yeah Ive considered this but never pulled the trigger, might be worth experimenting with at least!
Love your content auronnj. As interesting as the new mechanics seem I'm half dreading them. Just seems like the p2w and f2p gap gets wider and the game in general more Grindy. Definitely going to drive some existing and newer players away. Hope it's not as bad as it seems.
The VC changes benefit long time f2p players more than they are realizing IMO. Any VC you have previously invested in, or MR VC you have built up just got new life. The Trust stones are going to be a completely different beast and Im not sure how those fall into play yet as far as paying / free players but the VC change is honestly just good for people who have invested time into the game.
I was under the impression that "sub slot" VC's only effects the unit that had it equipped?
I didn't realize these were stacking to the entire party, lol
@Auronnj Jayy
Lazy question here. Do you think you could post those number graphics on like a Google Sheets document and share it with us, pretty please? I'm a big time numbers guy and having to look every where while theory crafting makes this very daunting.
yeah if you could @ me on discord I can post them on there and sticky them pretty easily
Just thinking about if I had that double max damage up for this last raid...it would have been glorious.
So which one did we get in the end?
Would the stats stack if one was water unit: missle attack up and the sub gave missle attack up? Like tomb raider vc and fredrika's dream?
With this and runes they might wanna change the name to WotSpreadsheets.
"Do you like numbers???" Well Ive got a game for you lol
Does anyone know how much transfers for agility party/unit buff VCs in secondary slots? I can't find it anywhere. lol
Wasn't listed on wotv-calc but I believe it is 50%.
@@AuronnjJayy ya none of the charts/lists/etc. mention it... but the calculator seems to apply 50%. Hopefully that's accurate, 50% is a reasonable agility value to transfer.
Oh boy gotta work even harder to raise all them VCs 😅
My biggest question about the new VC system is still unanswered after watching almost every big wotv youtuber's video: what kind of buff STACK and what DOESN'T? What exactly is the specificity?
Everything stacks, you can stack a buff from a main slot and sub slot, you just don't get 100% of the buff from the sub slot
For example: ATK up from a single main slot will stack with an ATK buff from a single sub slot.
@@AuronnjJayy thanks for the reply man! but...do they tho? like winter holiday n Ahriman, both wind ATK, Ahriman as 2nd VC would be the same 25% up as winter holiday, will they stack? what if a second member use Ifrit as 2nd VC? things like these. im asking coz i don't have some of these cards so i can't try too many different scenarios, specific info like these would hugely sway players like me from going for these VCs or not in the future. would be totally appreciated if u can update something specific when u get ur hands on with ur big account.
Are we sure that things like attack percent buffs stack ADDITIONALLY? I don't know the answer, but it matters. For example, you said (+25%) + (+25%) = +50%. Are we sure it's not (+25%) x (+25%) = 1.25^2 = +56.25%?
So my question is can you double stack mf and td?? First unit having sub mindflayer and second having twin drag???
You can get 1 damage limit up from a primary slot, and one for a secondary
im confused over "agility" buffs, like BRH card or Chocobo.
Would that work?
Also, I have a curious question about "multi"
Say two players use the same cards but in oposites like Sub Main.
Like Garvel card main VC, BRH sub VC.
And the other player does the reverse with Garvells as the Sub VC.
Would these work in Multi?
Anyways Tomorrow we can see how that all works.
This and TMR runes will make selection Quests so Much easier.
I'm exited the wait is almost Over.
The TMR runes will really give some wiggle room for Builds.
It makes the game much more complex, I just hope they make it
easy to manipulate runes.
It would be nice if we can swap them around without much cost
so that way it gives alot of opportunity to fine tune and try different things.
Sorry about that, I THINK agi will be 50% like the rest of the main buffs, will know for sure tomorrow :D
@@AuronnjJayy
Ya and also, in Multi. Sub and main VCs do Stack in different slots.
Like Black rose Helena sub on one person and main on the other both gives the buffs. Pretty powerfull stuff for Raids.
And runes aren't Locked to TMRS which is amazing for swapping and tinkering.
5.0 is a good patch.
I only wish they maybe had more ways of Buying into Regular visiore.
i've got about 40k right now, and i'm on the fence about saving it.
If I could pick a Unit it would be Cloud but it's looking pretty Slim.
Having tons of fun re-evaluating my VCs and starting to look at low level trust stones to get it going :P
I feel like this is the point where I can semi catch up to the upper tier of players.
Seperate myself from the more casual players via this trust stone business.
It took my brain the whole day to really digest this new system while clearing the nearly a dozen Maps for the Elemental quests oh boy.
I'm not a fan of the Ultra expensive coins system for TMR Stones in the mog shops.
It really makes me consider is an Auto click farmer the true top tier strategy at this rate.
Farming these maps in multi 300 a day is pretty wild for these daily TMR runes LOL
@@AuronnjJayy
The challenge missions aren't all working also. So many prizes are bugged.
They changed the "awaken mont x5" to clear quest missions because it was Bugged objective or something.
Free 120 Mont for a new player alongside free 99 stern. They are hooking new players up big time to get right into 99s and ex.
the last challenge board has Weed for Mont 120, refunding your 120 mont sort of GG
Hey I just got the game the other day. What version did we end up getting?
We got the nerfed version, but the new version will be here very soon
The lvl 99 VC requirement is gonna sting abit 😬
What about the elemental buff that the VC gets?
Will it be 100% in the Sub slot? Or just some percentage?
IE 2 headed dragon gave Dark units Beast killer 25 in the sub slot will that be the same? 🤔
All killers will get the same treatment, so generic killers will get the same % in a sub slot as elemental based killers.
I really hate how this is limited to lvl 99 vision cards instead of just max level. As a pretty new player with only 1 lvl 99 and a handful of 85s I think I'm going to suddenly be actually less powerful than everyone else I'm fighting than I already was.
That is one of my fears as well. I don’t have a lot of resources to get a card to 99. A new player will be extremely turned off at this large barrier to entry if more challenging content comes around.
You see this happening in raids already.
I went back and checked on this and I actually missread the description here. Your UNIT needs to be level 99 to equip a sub VC, not the main VC. This should be much much easier
So I thought it was based on the unit being 99, but it's actually the primary vision card level? Well that sucks, I've only got 4 vision cards at 99, got some work to do lol
It is that was a reading error by me
@@AuronnjJayy Thank you for the clarification, I was thinking I was even farther off from being able to utilize this than before lol
lol obviously math isn't the subject that u teach xD
THE TRUTH!
NVM: Found. it (ruclips.net/video/RUwqqh1e25Q/видео.html)
Do you have a video that sort of summarises the game for someone wanting to get into it, what does a strong start look like? What are the priorities when starting out, big traps to avoid etc?
I played when the game launched but only for a little while, like 2 months tops but kinda want to get back into it and I have no idea if my account is even worth keeping, or if I reroll.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.