Lost Railways - London & The South
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- Опубликовано: 27 ноя 2013
- Discover how the newly invented steam locomotive spread rapidly through the south of England, transforming London - and people's everyday lives. Head to the beach in Brighton to ride on the world's oldest electric railway - and discover why a unique railway that carried passengers above the sea didn't survive. Travel in style in the beautifully restored Pullman coaches on the Bluebell Line and much more ...
Christian Woolmer: this four mile long structure, if stood on its end, would stand four miles high.
Brilliant.
Roger Smart hehe. It's not one of the better rail videos here, sorry to say,, reallybut, really, no sense trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
Roger Smart It’s now being considered to be turned into a very large Muslim Place Of Warship .
It'll never float..?
3:40
At least they didn't mention football pitches because they seem to have become a unit of measurement!
Rode the Bluebell From East Grinstead to Sheffield Park twice in 2013. Loved it!
Cattle trucks are still very popular, these days they go under the name of "Pacers".
Pacers are actually more comfortable than certain new trains like voyagers, Thameslink 700s and Northern 195s!
Careful, you'll have the Pacer Relations Board after you.
Love these programmes about the old railways
Very interesting info on the West Country Class loco at 15:38. .... I never knew the reason why they had flat sides ? ... Something as simple as putting them through a carriage wash - That makes perfect sense !!
A very interesting and informative video. Thank you. Among other things, I wish that I had known anything while being stationed at Upper Heyford in the late 1970s and routinely riding the trains between Bicester and London's Marylebone station. Awesome!!
Very good. A great window into the history of the railways of Britan.
Hi, interesting video about the bluebell railway.
Very interesting video thank you from New Zealand
A fascinating documentary, which I'd never seen before....thanks!
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@Greyson Kingsley Instablaster =)
Great video, and very interesting, love it.
A lovely and very interesting video. I have traveled on the Brighton Volks Railway and thoroughly enjoyed the experience. Thanks for posting this. As a direct result of watching this |I have subscribed to the Bluebell Railway Newsletter and will be visiting them in the very near future.
Superb video Thank you for this remarkable ;look at our history
Oh dear.. the Pacers from Doncaster to Meadowhall. A leyland bus on railway axles. That they have now gone is a blessing.
Great! So nostalgic.
brilliant job to the conservation teams. Greetings from Dk
Excellent doco. Includes info about Soham explosion
What an amazing, wonderful and historical railway program. I enjoyed every minute, well done. 👍🚂🚃
Very interesting, thanks for posting.
Thank you 💕💕💞🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
At 44:05 I love the Golden Croutons. How poshe!
Hang on Golden Croutons? Croutons are made from day old stale bread. Cut up into neat little cube squares the thickness of the bread slice and baked in a warm oven for about 10-15 minutes. If you want to be extra poshe for your croutons, just dust them lightly with any of the following, black pepper, curry powder, chicken salt, ground nutmeg, chili powder or whatever you like. Put them on your soup either hot or cold.
Best line of the video IMO at 38:56
"Can I tempt you Sir"
Lovely doc.
Very interesting for me!!
A shame the music gets unbearably loud, and drowns out the narrative at 28:23. Otherwise a fantastic documentary...
That i was Interested the old & New railways
Looks like a great documentary but the background 'music' was ear splitting - had to turn it off
very very interesting
Wonderful film. Thank you
Beautiful and very informative.
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Nice
Some very fine steam locomotives here
Wow. Interesting.
I wonder how many of the negative people who say ; 'Only grown men playing trains' have a wealth of hobbies & interests ? Stay away from negative people !
I think those arches were in the film: A Fish Called Wanda. Saw the movie a month ago and I instantly recognised them.
Great documentary!
The London Brighton and South Coast railway was the same railway thomas the tank engine worked on, well the engine he was based on.
58:00
"It's been said that if Euston hadn't been demolished, then we would probably have lost St Pancras as well"
Err, if Euston hadn't been demolished then Euston wouldn't have been lost !!
Do'h !
The original Euston station was demolished! The current Euston station was built in the 1960s!
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I know this.
It doesn't address my point.
The title is a bit misleading but still a good documentary on railway history
A simply wonderful documentary of yesteryear. I wonder, just how many steam locomotives are preserved in the UK today?
+Peter May They do them up at Southall Station Museum in West London so they must be quite a few..
+Peter May The first steam locomotive was called Morning Star and the last steam locomotive was called Evening Star. The first diesel locomotive was called Deltic, was blue (I think a C0C0) and I saw it ~1960 at Old Oak sheds shunting yard. That's probably all wrong, old funny brain.
+grindupBaker the first EVER moving steam engine wasn't called morning star, it was called the puffing billy, and the first steam train had no name. So unless you are talking about the 9F class, then you are wrong.
How do i put the cheese in the oven?
Nope it was Richard Trevithick's "Pen y darren" built in 1803 for a Welsh colliery. Sorry to be a bore....
what a shame it never was continued .
British Rail wasn't formed in 1948 at 1:08:50. .... It was called British Railways until 1965 - then became British Rail.
So I'm from the US and hoping to visit the UK this year, specifically London. I would love to check out some heritage railways while I'm there, but not sure how far away from the capital some of them are and what it would take to get to them since I'd be relying entirely on public transport.
The guy around the 24 minute mark sounds like the manager from Flight Of The Conchords
At 1:03:20 you quote "the biggest single explosion in WW2" - but it was far eclipsed by the Fauld ammnution store disaster on 27 November 1944 comprising thousands of tons of shells
Good film, but did someone put the wrong title on it? "Lost Railways - London & The South" seems wrong to me. It focused heavily on the Bluebell Railway, spent quite a while featuring the Volks Railway in Brighton, and gave a potted history of some London terminal stations. Devon & Cornwall were featured, as well as the explosion at Soham in Cambridgeshire, but it appeared to concentrate on lost trains (Pullmans and steam locomotives) rather than lost railways.
A very good film, but the content didn't really match the title. How many "lost" railways in London & The South did it feature, and how did the North Yorkshire Moors Railway manage to qualify? There are dozens of lost railways in the south of England, would have been nice to have them mentioned.
Yes, I was hoping for Palace Gates, Addiscombe Line, Acton Area lines, Slough area, Hammersmith Grove.
I enjoyed the film but I do wish that the makers would stop adding jaunty, 'fun' music- indeed any music- to these programmes and drown out the sound of the locos. One of the appeals of steam locos especially is apart from the smell the magnificent sounds that they make. Please please allow us to hear and enjoy the sound and leave the inane 'music' where it belongs- on the cutting room floor.
I agree wholeheartedly and this applies to all documentaries. If one is interested in the subject we don't need irrelevant music to give it "atmosphere" and which often downs out the narration.
drowns
Sorry, disagree totally. We're watching "telly" here, not something specifically for the steam purists, for whom the sound of the loco is a vitally important aspect. If you're looking for greater viewer numbers, appeal to them!
I'm a rail fan too, but also a former video professional, and I say let's try to get new people interested in the subject; don't only preach to the converted (which is actually only a minute percentage of the potential RUclips audience).
If you want to watch unedited footage of locos, there are plenty of videos available - or go and record your own, this programme is to serve a different purpose and it serves that purpose superbly.
I FAR prefer video's WITHOUT idiot music drowning out the actual sounds made as the video was created.
The film's great, music and all...don't be such a miserable old sod...
what I love about this near the end around 1:07:40 the two ladys talk about the explosion, the trains were working the next day if this happened in todays world it would be weeks before they worked again and the line repaired, haha investigations for days on end health and safety and who was to blame /palm how we have progressed..
how nice,,,
Lovely old Steam Trains why did we do away with them, now we want them back.
Not really, the railways are far better off without steam.
8:45; The Talyllyn Railway was Britain's (and the world's) first heritage railway. Nit-picking...
Simon Carey I think they meant the Bluebell line is the oldest operational standard gauge line, there is at least one other error too, as they claim Soham was the biggest single explosion of WWII, this was actually at the ammunition dump at RAF Fauld in Staffordshire on 27 Nov 1944 and is the largest non-nuclear explosion in history.
Chris W I thought as much tbh. I thought the explosion of Heligoland was the largest non-nuclear explosion?
Yeah, I meant accidental, as Heligoland was a deliberate explosion to destroy unused munitions.
+Chris W The Largest non Nuclear Explosion was the Soviet N1 Rocket explosion in 1969 7 kt (kilo tons) of TNT equivalent. The largest accidental munitions explosion was the Halifax Explosion in 1917 2.9 kt of TNT equivalent, Fauld was 2 kt of TNT equivalent.
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Does anyone know whether this was on TV or just DVD and where can you get it?
+DanielW3440 There are plugins to browsers which will download RUclips videos in MP4 format. For Firefox see:
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/download-youtube/
@@bobblue_west or realplayer/real downloader. Just click on the box at the top of the screen
This is the Bluebell Railway, not the Bluebell line - the latter joined Loughborough to Coalville from 1883 to 1966.
31:36 One criticism of Volk’s railway: surely it’s a bit dangerous to have live rails where little children play on the beach, even though it’s fenced off. I’m no engineer but couldn’t we invent this :- [ ^ ] ? Underground . And the upward pointing arrow is the protruding hook hauling the carriages from a narrow slit and the actual electric motor goes along a discrete sub level “tunnel” also with a track?
TRains is good
Interesting documentary about old England steam world. Old trains should be preserved.
I don't agree. We have far too many preserved steam and diesel locomotives clogging up the sidings of heritage railways. These are rusting away, creating health and saftey issues, problems of parts being sold on the black market, and pollution etc.
This mess needs to be cleared up now. These rusting hulks need to be cut apart, broken up and the various metals melted down to make new and useful items.
It's only a matter of time before a lot of these "preserved" locos will face the shears and the torch.
heelfan1234 your rude
heelfan1234 I know you're only being a provacative git - but have you no sense of heritage? You're a fool!
Que?
***** We can remember them in books and films. Personally I would help torch this crap or operate the shears to get it cut up to small pieces to feed the blast furnaces.
Documentary: The Bluebell... The first preserved railway in the world.
Talyllyn Railway: Heavy breathing
All good but where was the isle of Wight
Usual place- just across The Solent from Portsmouth.
It's a shame something couldn't have been done about the sound balance. Sometimes the words were overwhelmed by the music.
Flavor Flav had told me once upon a time ago that his father used to work there at that train station
Was he the timekeeper?
At one point 250 operating steam locomotives were mentioned.
The narrator doesn't realise that the locos "Sir Archibald Sinclair" and "Blackmoor Vale" (sic) are the same type of loco, Sinclair is just the rebuilt version.
He also refers to the Great Midland Railway/Great Midland. It may have been great but, unlike the GWR/GNR/GER, Great was never included in its name.
Blackmore Vale is a West Country class sir Archibald Sinclair is a rebuilt battle of Britain class
Euston station was redeveloped in the 1960s not the 1970s as stated in the film.
Roy Sage can you be anymore patronising? It's the attitudes of anoraks like you that put people off 😡
Didn't know there were BR Standard steam locos or BR MK1 coaches during the 2nd World War, butabout an hour in, there they are !
steve gale BR was formed in 1948...but I suspect you knew that...
At 32:30 appears a poster of a little girl and train driver. Can it be sourced please?
The photograph was taken at Platform 4 of Waterloo Station in 1924 by Charles E. Wright a freelance press photographer. It was used in several official Southern Railway advertising posters prior to WW2. Modern reproductions of these are available from many sources.
@@maunsell24 thank you
Waterloo Necropolis?:)
Yep , Entrance still visible
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I like this film. But the title is a bit odd. Very few of the railways featured are "lost" in any real way, and much of it doesn't pertain to London or the South. Pickering, for example, is certainly not southern.
why have you not included the Hereford to ross on wye railway which linked to the forest of dene and Gloucester?
A substantial railway for hauling of goods coal and timber in the industrial revolution.Clearly the restoration of the Ross to Hereford is very welcome.the council is considering opening a short stretch to rotherwas chapel of the old railway to provide a new station and steam hertitage museum.
I wonder if these old boys have ever seen a Union Pacific Big Boy In America ?
1:14 he should have metioned the name George Stephenson as the inventor & the railway did not start in the south it started in the north
to bad when money and profit have to come first. no one will or would or should deny the companies their profit but sometimes one thinks : at all costs?
Did he say that Archibald Battle of Britain class loco is capable of 100 miles an hour plus, suits longs distances and then - wait for it - needs servicing "only" after at least 300 miles? Uh? Don't get it. How can it be a long distance express engine and yet require servicing at 300miles? Did he mean 30,000 miles?
TommyTwobats UK rail terminology. Servicing = filling with coal and water and oiling the joints; overhauling = strip down and refit (as in car servicing)
I'll suggest he really meant water and coal supplies.
TommyTwobats Actually 300miles is good for a high speed express engine. German BR01s need water ever 200-250km (coal lasts longer)
"BLUEBELLS FOREVER" Stepney, Stepney gets lost
Another video ruined by over loud music played over the spoken word. Just like the BBC does. Apart from that a great video.
Thank you for showing this
turn the blasted music down
Carlisle Settle
PULLMAN Class! Not First Class!
Depends on the line, problem with the southern ones - particulary brighton, the journey was so quick the dining etc experience had no time to charge a big premium on fare.
Our teachers insist our that whilst our ancestors could design, manufacture, transport and erect a huge glass palace with fountains, and lighting and heating - yet couldn't even fathom something as basic as a pin hole camera to capture the moment. Really.
“our teachers” whoever they are have misunderstands the problem. The pinhole camera is indeed a simple device and was well known and used for example by artists as a drawing aid well before the age of the Great Exhibition. The difficulty was the chemistry needed to record the image. That was certainly not a simple thing to fathom.
The description of the Earl of Berkeley's building in 1936- made from two engines "one part of each wasn't very good" is nonsense. The Bulldog class was a very good engine made for use on the heavily graded lines in the west of England but too heavy to be used on secondary lines like the old Cambrian Railways in Wales. The Duke class had a less substantial frame but a lighter boiler than the Bulldog- it was an earlier design. By putting the lighter boiler of the Duke on to the stronger frames of a Bulldog you got a lighter engine that was allowed on to the Cambrian. Rather than scrap worthwhile components, these engines survived for another 20 plus years although they looked rather quaint.
The Dublin to Kingstown railway open in 1834, so to say the London to Greenwich was the fist railway in any capital in the world is wrong and badly researched.
Switched off as soon as I realized that this is a train musical.Just another video ruined with added music.
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Would be a good video if is wasn't for the incessant and unnecessary music tracks that often detract and deaden the commentary. A lot of documentaries add music to create mood/drama and are totally unnecessary. It becomes irratating and spoils what would otherwise be a great informative video. A lot of the documentaries on Yesterday TV do this, I think it is an American idea to create drama. I do not want drama or tension created when watching documentaries, I want to relax and hear the commentary. If I wanted drama I would watch a movie.
True.
Can't hear what people are saying because the background music is too loud. Ruins a otherwise good video. Shame.
Agreed. Most of these old railway (and other) films suffered from cold, weird, blaring music. The worst ones were the official documentaries with the plummy-accented narrators. Every few seconds, your ears were blasted with trumpets, french horns, timpani, etc. This kind of music is soulless and totally lacking in warmth. Very often, it was performed by top orchestras and conductors. Best to turn the sound right off.
So we only have ourselves to blame for the “commuter nightmare” that we endure today, 1836 should go down as the start of the nightmare for so many miserable days stuck on dilapidated overcrowded and delayed train journeys every single day. 🤬👍🇬🇧🏴
I don't know why the UK doesn't run these historic trains on the more scenic routes of the network...I would pay plenty to ride one of these to Brighton or to go to Stonehenge or something... and I know tourists would pay a pretty penny just to cruise around London.
Nakoruru The Extra Terrestrial Can not say for GB but in germany the problems are:
Finding a place to coal/water and remove slag.
Turning the engine (most are slower running backwards)
Security technology needed for operations on modern lines
Handling in steep grades (No more pusher engines on station)
Possibilities for "overnight stays" and "emergency maintenance"
German historical trains often choose routes that pass by/close to railroad museums or train entusiast "Home bases" to get around some of those problems. And/or choose engines build for long distance running/equipped to drive equally fast tender first like modernized BR50/52 or BR23 (West German) instead of the BR01
Deiselise??? No.
MUSIC - WHY ! - JUST STEAM AND NARRATIVE IS ENOUGH. stop dumbing us down.
It was going well up to 2:30 , London was the 2nd , Dublin opened in 1934. and the line is still part of Ireland's small rail system. No point watching any more of this crap .
One correction: The Mallard, at 126 mph, was NOT the world's fastest steam locomotive. That honor belongs to the Chicago & Eastern Illinois, which once ran one of their locomotives at 137 mph. It was discovered that the wheels had difficulty remaining on the rails, and they only ran the one locomotive one time. But the record still stands, eclipsing the Mallard for speed. The Illinois Central regularly ran passenger locomotives at over 120 mph, on the Illinois Division (Champagne - Cairo, Illinois. On occasions, they ran above 126 mph, although most runs were held down to 100 - 110 mph. I have personally ridden on a Gulf, Mobile & Ohio passenger train at a sustained speed of 120 mph. Sorry, Mallard, but you're making a false claim for "fastest steam locomotive in the world." You were not. The C&EI beats your record.
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+David D so why don't you make it known more....
+David D Citation needed.
+David D I have googles this and found nothing, you have any links?
+David D ....baloney...no proof of anything you say
+David D Without documented proof, the record still stands and the Mallard holds the record as being the worlds fastest steam locomotive. When did this 137mph record happen, what was the loco's number or name, why isn't the event documented. I'm sure that if such an even happened the officials from the Guinness world of records who are the official recognised organisation for such things would have been invited to attend. Regardless of which search engine is chosen, no reference to your claim can be found - making the claim total BS
It was ok till the aussie prat opened his mouth.
Didn't watch it-music infestation!
Nice documentary. However, why does Britain have such a love for a system they have ruined beyond help by lousy management.
The absolutely unattractive ring in his lower lip detracts from his otherwise nice demeanor.
Such a condescending intro. I didn't bother watching.. put your feet up and re-live the era,,, b.s crap
Shit
Great documentary.... except: is there anything more NAFF than filming in black and white when the subject is "the past". Only surpassed in naffness when it segues into colour 🥱 otherwise, informative and deeply interesting