I am a bit confused with calculating bounties in PKOs. So let's say we're playing a 100$ bounty builder on PokerStars (ignoring the rake part in the buyin) and that the 50$ goes to the regular PP, and 50$ goes into the bounty PP - on top of each player's head (?) Why then on the table, the number next to the avatar of all the players is not 50$, but 25$? Then, when we eliminate a player in the beginning of the tournament, we get 25$ directly into our account off the table, and 25$ adds to our bounty / head. But then our number at the table displays as 37.5$. Where did the other 12.5$ go? Shouldn't our bounty amount next to the avatar now show 50$ instead of 37.5$? This is discussed at 2:30 in the video. If we are then eliminated from the tournament - did we cash out for 25$ in that tournament? I have a feeling that a quarter of the buyin (half of the bounty portion) is "lost" somewhere, or is just the display of the on-table bounties confusing? Mostly what I am confused is what number should I be using for calculating pot odds when deciding on calling an allin - the exact number next to the opponent's avatar, or half of that amount, or double of that amount???
What a great question... Ive wondered this exact thing. It doesn't seem to add up to me? You (seem) to be awarded half, but yours only goes up by a 1/4. So what happened to the rest? Have to admit I was too embarrassed to ask, I thought I was missing something obvious to everyone else. Guess I'm not actually alone on this one.
I asked Pav about that off camera. The short answer is that the display of the on-table bounties is confusing. Apparently the old way they did it (showing 50% of the buy-in as the bounty -- $50 in your example) was confusing some players. They would knock a player out and expect to get the whole $50, but then they'd only get $25. So they changed it to show $25 (the amount you'll get if you knock the player out) and the other $25 is basically not displayed (but is also not taken out of play). It's ironic that this change just added more confusion for players like you who were probably used to the prior system. But let's compare the two systems so you can see they're the same. Display Option #1 (the old system) -Everyone has a $50 bounty on their head. -You knock a player out and receive half of that bounty ($25) -The other half is added to your head, making your bounty $75 -If someone knocks you out, they get half your bounty ($37.50). Display Option #2 (the new system) -Everyone has $25 bounty on their head -You knock a player out and receive that full displayed bounty ($25) -The other $25 is added to your bounty (for a total of $75) -But because they are only displaying what someone would receive for knocking you out, your bounty shows as half of it's current value (in this case $37.50) The crucial amounts are the same in both scenarios. Hope that helps clear it up! I had to logic it out myself as I was typing this -- overall I'm not a fan of this display change.
@@mbradycf I like the display change - it seems clearer. I'm running a live 2 table PKO home game in a couple of weeks and we'll display the bounties projected onto a wall! Fun times!
@@mbradycf I just now realised that you've answered our questions (youtube didn't notify me and I got back to the PKO subject on my own and then remembered this thread) - thank you!
This is just a model. Don’t take this as the holy grail. It’s based on several assumptions which will vary from situation to situation to situation. Blindly following advice isn’t to help you.
Pav sure said a lot of things that made sense in this one.
video posted ''15 minutes ago'' and your comment shows ''13 hours ago''. are you a wizard? perhaps... a GTO Wizard?
Spooky
Can You or Pav please answer a question I've posted in the comment section, you'll find it easily... Thanks a lot!
love the full transcripts for episodes. Awesome feature
Good call
I'm about to run a live 2 table home game PKO. Plan is to project the bounties for each player, in real time, against a wall. Kinda cool
damn, that's a very bright camera! hope everyone enjoyed :)
Hey man, thanks for this video. You elucidate so well.
@@karlmason7985 no worries. appreciate it!
I am a bit confused with calculating bounties in PKOs.
So let's say we're playing a 100$ bounty builder on PokerStars (ignoring the rake part in the buyin) and that the 50$ goes to the regular PP, and 50$ goes into the bounty PP - on top of each player's head (?)
Why then on the table, the number next to the avatar of all the players is not 50$, but 25$? Then, when we eliminate a player in the beginning of the tournament, we get 25$ directly into our account off the table, and 25$ adds to our bounty / head. But then our number at the table displays as 37.5$. Where did the other 12.5$ go? Shouldn't our bounty amount next to the avatar now show 50$ instead of 37.5$? This is discussed at 2:30 in the video.
If we are then eliminated from the tournament - did we cash out for 25$ in that tournament?
I have a feeling that a quarter of the buyin (half of the bounty portion) is "lost" somewhere, or is just the display of the on-table bounties confusing?
Mostly what I am confused is what number should I be using for calculating pot odds when deciding on calling an allin - the exact number next to the opponent's avatar, or half of that amount, or double of that amount???
What a great question... Ive wondered this exact thing. It doesn't seem to add up to me? You (seem) to be awarded half, but yours only goes up by a 1/4. So what happened to the rest?
Have to admit I was too embarrassed to ask, I thought I was missing something obvious to everyone else.
Guess I'm not actually alone on this one.
I asked Pav about that off camera. The short answer is that the display of the on-table bounties is confusing.
Apparently the old way they did it (showing 50% of the buy-in as the bounty -- $50 in your example) was confusing some players. They would knock a player out and expect to get the whole $50, but then they'd only get $25.
So they changed it to show $25 (the amount you'll get if you knock the player out) and the other $25 is basically not displayed (but is also not taken out of play).
It's ironic that this change just added more confusion for players like you who were probably used to the prior system. But let's compare the two systems so you can see they're the same.
Display Option #1 (the old system)
-Everyone has a $50 bounty on their head.
-You knock a player out and receive half of that bounty ($25)
-The other half is added to your head, making your bounty $75
-If someone knocks you out, they get half your bounty ($37.50).
Display Option #2 (the new system)
-Everyone has $25 bounty on their head
-You knock a player out and receive that full displayed bounty ($25)
-The other $25 is added to your bounty (for a total of $75)
-But because they are only displaying what someone would receive for knocking you out, your bounty shows as half of it's current value (in this case $37.50)
The crucial amounts are the same in both scenarios.
Hope that helps clear it up! I had to logic it out myself as I was typing this -- overall I'm not a fan of this display change.
@@mbradycf I like the display change - it seems clearer. I'm running a live 2 table PKO home game in a couple of weeks and we'll display the bounties projected onto a wall! Fun times!
@@mbradycf I just now realised that you've answered our questions (youtube didn't notify me and I got back to the PKO subject on my own and then remembered this thread) - thank you!
Really good video!
Noob q. If the pko bounty is 25% of starting stack is it then worth 1/8 of that?
PAV=+EV
This is just a model. Don’t take this as the holy grail. It’s based on several assumptions which will vary from situation to situation to situation. Blindly following advice isn’t to help you.
75% of online tournaments are not bounty. Not even half are.
75% of the series and best tournaments are
When you put on a filter for PKO, you still get plenty of tourney volume, and 100% of tourneys are PKO.
...as they should be