Today on Negative Airsoft: Yet another licensed guns from Very Fucking Crap. A G&G L85 is painted nicely. And Luke descends further into airsoft sponsored alcoholism
@@dustinedward5280 well dont you see.Just date somebody who has the movies you want to see.Preferabaly on a 2,6 Meter flat screen with a nice Sound system
Hi, I want to share an experience about my brand new Vfc G17. I had the same issue with the slide stop not working properly after dry firing it for whatever reason. Then I reassembled the trigger group alongside with the slide stop part and spring. Now it works just fine. I think the trigger mechanism interferes with the slide stop spring somehow when dry fired.
I had an army glock 17 about 10 years ago until it got stolen, never skipped a beat, was super reliable with pretty decent gas efficiency too. Got it for 30 quid off the old ascuk forums - This reminded me of how much I enjoyed that gbb, will have to keep an eye out for another.
Gordon Ramsay, Luke NegAir and BaronVonGrumble should get together and do a podcast about making a brand out of being angry about their respective specialties
The M17 does have a chamber loaded indicator - it may not be intentional though. On the back of the slide at the bottom there is a vertical slot on the left side. When the gun is cocked you can see silver filling this slot. It is part of the internal workings but only visible when the slide has been racked.
yeah since when did functional loaded indicators in airsoft become a norm? M17 in front of the RMR mount plate and right behind the ejector is another loaded indicator. I think it actually works somehow too.
One way I've removed thread locked screws is to place a long shank screwdriver in the screw and then with a fine/small flame blow torch heat the screw driver as close as you dare to the screw. The parts don't get heated by the blow torch but the screw does and then the locktite melts ;) .FYI you may need a glove on the hand holding the screwdriver as heat travels both ways
Those Army Armament R17 mock-Glocks are great value for money. It's one of the few things that I'd recommend purchasing from "BBgunz" style sites, unless the lack of trades are a deal breaker.
I regret buying my vfc vp9, crapped out day one. Trigger bar broke and mag leaks..Nothing but crap. Everyone at my field doesn’t get why I have a disdain for vfc. Great video!
What do you think of king arms? And the glocks the only reason I got the 17 gen 5 licensed gun is to fit and feel 1 to 1 to the real one for training in the backyard for cheap so it does have a use
It had to go back to the original manufacturer for repair after being borkey on delivery - then go out to an independent specialist to actually get fixed. It's a realistic L85 replica alright. The result looks pretty. The paint is cool.
My m17 jams on every other round, ive taken it apart, cleaned it, lubed it, both my mags and a friends do the same thing in it. It sucks because its my favorite sidearm
Fancy a crack at the Area L85 A3? Got on the other day and think it could do with some power improvements. Around 285fps out of the box on .2s and using an 11.1
Hi negative, I've got a question about what you did with the piston head on the m17, what effect does shimming it forward do? Also what do you think necessary upgrades are for the army r17? Thanks
As always an eye opener... But to late for me. I bought the VFC M18 and before ill get frustrated, what exact changes have you done to the hop up? I use this as an all time backup so id like it to work flawless.^^ I need advice, except: Sell it and get another better gun.^^ I bought this because im unhappy with my VFC Glock 19X... Yeah i know, that was a bollux buy too... Shame on me me. Plz help out.
Also the M17 mags are $40 a piece and are super SUPER fragile. If you pull the follower all the way down and let it go, everything will kick out the top and the mag will be broken.
4:42. ironically enough the real Sig p320 m18 also has problems with the trigger & the US marine corps has reported negligent discharges when the gun is dropped on a hard surface.
Option no.1 brushless motor compatibility with the ares EFCS magnet sensor mosfet using an 11.1 li-ion battery ? Thoughts ? Keep up the great content man.
I'm searching for an m870 but I'm not sure if I have to get the co2/gas or the spring . I like the long variant with the shell tube long as the barrel can't find anything. If I get the gas one I can hpa it cuz i want to use it in the winter and from decent range if I can change the spring power in the other one I can go for it too.
please, which magazine are you using on the L85 G&G (brand and model)? Here I can't test it, it's very expensive and we don't have it on hand, only in internet
Have you worked with East & Crane Glocks? Are they any good, the info about this company and their products is hard to find. They have a website but no GBB products listed.
Hi there! An Italian fan here. Listen, down here I have troubles finding a decent tech and sending you a gun up there would cost more than the gun itself. Do you have any second hand pew you'd fix and send here? Mp5s or L85. After seeing tons of your videos I am really curious about trying your work on the field.
Maybe the KSC weighs more because the real Glock weighs more. I’ve noticed that my real Gen 3 Glock 17 is much heavier than my WE Gen 3 G17 and my Umarex Gen 3 Glock 17. I wish I could find my 20 year old KSC Gen 3 Glock 18c and compare the weight. If I remember correctly, it is heavier. Also, the KSC fit the same holsters as the real Glock. The WE and the Umarex are both hit or miss on holsters. My Serpa Sport doesn’t fit them, but my Serpa CQC does. Couldn’t tell you why.
Sometimes when i see your videos i wonder a bit, Well the M17 was now the first you showed us, same as the G&G L85 with ETU. But never less sometimes i wonder, how many issues (despite the regular ones which are known, like that VFC Shells, gears, TP's and so on break like sugar fake glas, VFC gen 3 Glocks are crap, old Gen G&G Internals are lower standard. Okay the newer ones are far better, but not used in every model of gun, e.t.c) you get to fix, are actually caused by wrong use or bad/wrong maintenance. You made a whole video bout that topic. Just a honest question from my side. The paintjob on the L85 turned out pretty nice! Actually in case of G&G it's strange but depending on the distributor you get different internals in the same gun, than from an other shop. The shop i like for example sells the G&G L85 already stroked with just 16 teeth on the sector. Seems that's up to the distributor and what they order from G&G.
Ok pal here's a tip I learned working on real AR15's. Castlenut threadlocked? Press your Airsoftgas can against it a couple of times, it has to get freezing cold. Screw should come right out.
I think the army g17 is a decent little sidearm tho i don't really like the feel of the stock poly frame an for some reason mine runs away on full auto if i use vertex gas, can't fault the performance an accuracy on normal gas tho
The ICS has fewer sub assemblies to it so it's easier to work on but has a mediocre hop unit, the ICS exterior has a few inaccuracies. That said it's the go to 'feed it power and BBs' and go play. The AA has all the pros and cons of the G&G but you're not paying over the odds to fix them.
The ICS l85 is a nice gun if you keep it with ICS parts only, if you start putting upgrades from other brands it don't perform. My hopup is fine after putting a maple leaf rubber, nothing else works beside ics
@@manel_cafao I have a Trigger Master MkIII mosfet in mine, Prommy 470mm barrel, TM piston, had a Madbull red hop rubber running .28s to 60m at 285fps, TM EG1000 motor. None of it is strictly necessary I just wanted to have the rate of fire with an 11.1 running something close to the real thing. The mediocrity in the hop unit is that it's basically a wank design that is not conducive to maintain consistent hop force because there's only a little crummy spring stopping the hop arm moving from its position.
@@AidanMyne I have a mosfet, A&K motor and a madbull barrel. I've tried a variety of part's and regarding gears, piston and cylinder just original parts work properly. My hopup after some adjustments to the little spring shoots really flat and consistent. I mean you can put some parts but you are very limited compared to other aeg's.
@@manel_cafao To be fair ICS gears are pretty bomb proof, cylinder should be a standard Type 0 and cylinder head is V2, nozzle is an AK 'long' which is 21mm iirc. ICS do put a thicker than standard piston head in the L85 which I think contributes to AoE issues with aftermarket pistons if you also change the piston head. Another thing to consider is that ICS stock beige piston is fractionally longer than TM spec which again creates an AoE issue when you put a non ICS piston in an ICS gun.
Hey Luke, tried the Gaurder gas as you suggested for my M17 a few weeks ago...still does not work great, so going to use it as a hammer as it's shit as an airsoft pistol..lololol
How come that VFC makes some pretty bad GBB pistols, yet they also produce some pistols that are probably the best around (HK45, FNX45) ? What's so different about them ?
lmao, found this video again as my G&G L85A2 fucked up on it's first run in the field after 3 whole mid-caps. Sounds like it's stripped something in the gearbox. Fun :) Additionally, why is it G&G have to be special and not thread their barrel so it won't accept a tracer unit.
What ever you do.....dont put Co2 thru that M117......about 10 shots on mine and it exploded the nozzle, and apparently I'm not the only one. Edit : 2:30....had that exact same issue....they blue thread locked the piss out of those screws. 😡 I had to order new ones
It really is amazing what a small amount of paint can do.
Just one pot of humbrol enamel & you go blind.
6:25 "Listen to that hammer"
I can't, it's drowned out by a nasal adenoidal whining sound of "tHaT's NoT a HaMmEr It'S a StRiKeR!"
MoM!!!!!!!!!!!!! ThE BriT who SwearS on the IntereNet didn't Say it CoREECTly, Can I SkiP sChool so I can Shame HIM on ReDiDIT?!!?!?!!?!?!?
@@HeroGenix In the airsoft version it's still a hammer. AKCHULLY
Youre the only airsoft tech ive seen who doesn't recommend gimmicks like sorbo pad, teflon tape ect... subscribed
Teflon tape isn’t an air seal and sorbo pads break pistons for fun. I’m glad Luke is out here putting people straight 😅
Today on Negative Airsoft:
Yet another licensed guns from Very Fucking Crap.
A G&G L85 is painted nicely.
And Luke descends further into airsoft sponsored alcoholism
Why did I read that in Jeremy Clarkson's voice?
@@AlcoholicJesus69 because yes, innit?
@@AlcoholicJesus69 because this Video is better than the "aLl NEw tOp gEAr"
I realize it's kind of randomly asking but do anyone know a good place to stream new movies online?
@@dustinedward5280 well dont you see.Just date somebody who has the movies you want to see.Preferabaly on a 2,6 Meter flat screen with a nice Sound system
Hi, I want to share an experience about my brand new Vfc G17. I had the same issue with the slide stop not working properly after dry firing it for whatever reason. Then I reassembled the trigger group alongside with the slide stop part and spring. Now it works just fine. I think the trigger mechanism interferes with the slide stop spring somehow when dry fired.
It's just a bit meh
I had an army glock 17 about 10 years ago until it got stolen, never skipped a beat, was super reliable with pretty decent gas efficiency too. Got it for 30 quid off the old ascuk forums - This reminded me of how much I enjoyed that gbb, will have to keep an eye out for another.
Gordon Ramsay, Luke NegAir and BaronVonGrumble should get together and do a podcast about making a brand out of being angry about their respective specialties
Wowie, didn't expect Negative to enjoy in Polish alcohol.
You've not been paying attention
@@NegativeAirsoftTech You should definitely try portuguese Porto wine or Muscatel!
@@delbrunodelnunes2076 My wife is from Porto....
@@NegativeAirsoftTech holly crap I did not know that! Love from Portugal men!!
@Johnny Dong I think not...
Probably the best song from FFDP. Btw, have you ever work in a G&G ak5/FNC? Got anny opinion on it? The classic version, not te modernized one
I want to know too as I kinda want one myself, I know he hates the star/ares version
When 5FDP- You kicked in I was instantly in love.
Fab paint job mate.
The M17 does have a chamber loaded indicator - it may not be intentional though. On the back of the slide at the bottom there is a vertical slot on the left side. When the gun is cocked you can see silver filling this slot. It is part of the internal workings but only visible when the slide has been racked.
yeah since when did functional loaded indicators in airsoft become a norm? M17 in front of the RMR mount plate and right behind the ejector is another loaded indicator. I think it actually works somehow too.
One way I've removed thread locked screws is to place a long shank screwdriver in the screw and then with a fine/small flame blow torch heat the screw driver as close as you dare to the screw. The parts don't get heated by the blow torch but the screw does and then the locktite melts ;) .FYI you may need a glove on the hand holding the screwdriver as heat travels both ways
Alcohol + Luke + Dodgy guns = something to watch over lunch.
Perfect
I have the Umarex Glock 17 G4 fully licensed and love it. Works flawlessly as my secondary. Clean it out after and lube weekly after game.
Im just concerned, i dont know the manufacturer of that glock-lighter...
Those Army Armament R17 mock-Glocks are great value for money. It's one of the few things that I'd recommend purchasing from "BBgunz" style sites, unless the lack of trades are a deal breaker.
Dude! Keep up the awesomeness sir! Your videos are honest and clever. You sure do stand out from the rest.
Keep it up.
Anybody else get happy when Five Finger Death Punch came on.
Ten spirytus wystrzeli go z kapci. XD
oj tak xD
I'm a pro
@@TheKunext It's too expensive in the UK
I regret buying my vfc vp9, crapped out day one. Trigger bar broke and mag leaks..Nothing but crap. Everyone at my field doesn’t get why I have a disdain for vfc. Great video!
@Johnny Dong because they sell an inferior product at premium prices. Now that’s only when the products parts are all made by vfc.
Best leaky mag soundtrack, wasnt expecting to headbang to 5FDP while watching a leaky mag be fixed today haha Brilliant
Great Videos I was wondering what you would suggest for a great all around m4 out of the box?
How good is it to build in a cyma or jg mp5? How proprietary are they? Loved the video as always!
Get a CYMA blue or platinum edition imo
As soon as I heard acid spit by megadrive, I knew it was gonna be a fun watch. Love me some Hotline Miami
They are forward thinking they want you to buy a new one. Thanks for calling them out
I am so glad you got to work on one of those peace of s#$* vfc sig m17s and feel the excruciating pain i felt trying to do anything to it!
I loved my ksc system 7 usp back in the day
What do you think of king arms?
And the glocks the only reason I got the 17 gen 5 licensed gun is to fit and feel 1 to 1 to the real one for training in the backyard for cheap so it does have a use
Nice job. I have 3 we m9 mag and 2 of them leaking. And I couldn't fix it. Can you share a video about how to fix leaking pistol mag if you have time?
I love how trying to dissect the M17 turned into a historical lecture
Just imagine still buying anything by VFC in 2021
Their Hard cases are kinda nice;D
Isn’t the 416 from them good
It had to go back to the original manufacturer for repair after being borkey on delivery - then go out to an independent specialist to actually get fixed. It's a realistic L85 replica alright.
The result looks pretty. The paint is cool.
I am a simple Hungarian I see Polish brothers and sisters mentioned I upvote
My m17 jams on every other round, ive taken it apart, cleaned it, lubed it, both my mags and a friends do the same thing in it. It sucks because its my favorite sidearm
Fancy a crack at the Area L85 A3? Got on the other day and think it could do with some power improvements.
Around 285fps out of the box on .2s and using an 11.1
Hi negative, I've got a question about what you did with the piston head on the m17, what effect does shimming it forward do?
Also what do you think necessary upgrades are for the army r17?
Thanks
Enjoyable viewing as always! Quick question regarding the G&G L85, is the ETU from the newer models compatible with the older ones?
No idea but this one was bollocksed so it's likely as bad as the others.
As always an eye opener... But to late for me. I bought the VFC M18 and before ill get frustrated, what exact changes have you done to the hop up? I use this as an all time backup so id like it to work flawless.^^ I need advice, except: Sell it and get another better gun.^^ I bought this because im unhappy with my VFC Glock 19X... Yeah i know, that was a bollux buy too... Shame on me me. Plz help out.
How remarkable:The old glocks are a better purchase than the recent ones and the L85 doesn´t work.
It is like real life, it rhymes.
Also the M17 mags are $40 a piece and are super SUPER fragile. If you pull the follower all the way down and let it go, everything will kick out the top and the mag will be broken.
Cheers from Poland!
What do you think of the Ares Amoeba Mutant line? It's Ares and an MCX!
There's your answer
4:42. ironically enough the real Sig p320 m18 also has problems with the trigger & the US marine corps has reported negligent discharges when the gun is dropped on a hard surface.
Agreed on the M17 TBH, I handled one at an airsoft store once and it felt great in my hands but that trigger was an instant buzzkill.
Option no.1 brushless motor compatibility with the ares EFCS magnet sensor mosfet using an 11.1 li-ion battery ? Thoughts ? Keep up the great content man.
You know that's it's a good chanel when they drink Polish alcohol ❤️
Nah.Cursing and good music
I'm searching for an m870 but I'm not sure if I have to get the co2/gas or the spring . I like the long variant with the shell tube long as the barrel can't find anything. If I get the gas one I can hpa it cuz i want to use it in the winter and from decent range if I can change the spring power in the other one I can go for it too.
please, which magazine are you using on the L85 G&G (brand and model)?
Here I can't test it, it's very expensive and we don't have it on hand, only in internet
Ayo, Is that Acid Spit from hotline Miami 2? That’s sick.
Have you worked with East & Crane Glocks? Are they any good, the info about this company and their products is hard to find. They have a website but no GBB products listed.
My WE glock 17 is probably one of the best things I've ever bought
Negative Airsoft is the Gordon Ramsay of airsoft teching
Great video as always. What is this song during mags repair?
Hi there! An Italian fan here. Listen, down here I have troubles finding a decent tech and sending you a gun up there would cost more than the gun itself.
Do you have any second hand pew you'd fix and send here? Mp5s or L85.
After seeing tons of your videos I am really curious about trying your work on the field.
Maybe the KSC weighs more because the real Glock weighs more. I’ve noticed that my real Gen 3 Glock 17 is much heavier than my WE Gen 3 G17 and my Umarex Gen 3 Glock 17. I wish I could find my 20 year old KSC Gen 3 Glock 18c and compare the weight. If I remember correctly, it is heavier. Also, the KSC fit the same holsters as the real Glock. The WE and the Umarex are both hit or miss on holsters. My Serpa Sport doesn’t fit them, but my Serpa CQC does. Couldn’t tell you why.
@Johnny Dong I’ve been using Serpas for years. What’s funny about that?
It's the massively heavyweight frame.
What's the tune over the magazine time lapse , it's quite catchy !!!
Five Finger Death Punch.....awesome, and somehow very fitting
Sometimes when i see your videos i wonder a bit, Well the M17 was now the first you showed us, same as the G&G L85 with ETU. But never less sometimes i wonder, how many issues (despite the regular ones which are known, like that VFC Shells, gears, TP's and so on break like sugar fake glas, VFC gen 3 Glocks are crap, old Gen G&G Internals are lower standard. Okay the newer ones are far better, but not used in every model of gun, e.t.c) you get to fix, are actually caused by wrong use or bad/wrong maintenance. You made a whole video bout that topic. Just a honest question from my side. The paintjob on the L85 turned out pretty nice! Actually in case of G&G it's strange but depending on the distributor you get different internals in the same gun, than from an other shop. The shop i like for example sells the G&G L85 already stroked with just 16 teeth on the sector. Seems that's up to the distributor and what they order from G&G.
Option no. 1 brushless motor compatibility with the ares EFCS magnet sensor mosfet system and an 11.1 li-ion battery ?
Ok pal here's a tip I learned working on real AR15's. Castlenut threadlocked? Press your Airsoftgas can against it a couple of times, it has to get freezing cold. Screw should come right out.
Lovely music choice at 16:50. Absolutely premium. Whats the name of that remix?
Theres L85 at my local shop; I want it, but I've heard these things are fuckin cursed and techs hate 'em..
Love that Tigerstripe paintjob👍
Your having too much fun man😎.
I think the army g17 is a decent little sidearm tho i don't really like the feel of the stock poly frame an for some reason mine runs away on full auto if i use vertex gas, can't fault the performance an accuracy on normal gas tho
what do you mean by "shimming the valve" to bring the power up in the m17? I googled this and can't find any info on this method.
I bought one of the m17 and 2 shots from an included C02 mag and the nozzle exploded
Now i feel better about not getting one of those
have you considered enlisting an apprentice to continue your work?
Hello from across the pond, I have a friend who emailed you about 3 western arms pistols he has, wants to get your opinion on them . Love your vids.
Not gonna lie that m17 is a baller looking gun 🔫
Awesome work as usual, what's your opinion on the ICS L85 compared to the G&G and AA versions?
The ICS has fewer sub assemblies to it so it's easier to work on but has a mediocre hop unit, the ICS exterior has a few inaccuracies. That said it's the go to 'feed it power and BBs' and go play.
The AA has all the pros and cons of the G&G but you're not paying over the odds to fix them.
The ICS l85 is a nice gun if you keep it with ICS parts only, if you start putting upgrades from other brands it don't perform. My hopup is fine after putting a maple leaf rubber, nothing else works beside ics
@@manel_cafao I have a Trigger Master MkIII mosfet in mine, Prommy 470mm barrel, TM piston, had a Madbull red hop rubber running .28s to 60m at 285fps, TM EG1000 motor. None of it is strictly necessary I just wanted to have the rate of fire with an 11.1 running something close to the real thing.
The mediocrity in the hop unit is that it's basically a wank design that is not conducive to maintain consistent hop force because there's only a little crummy spring stopping the hop arm moving from its position.
@@AidanMyne I have a mosfet, A&K motor and a madbull barrel. I've tried a variety of part's and regarding gears, piston and cylinder just original parts work properly. My hopup after some adjustments to the little spring shoots really flat and consistent. I mean you can put some parts but you are very limited compared to other aeg's.
@@manel_cafao To be fair ICS gears are pretty bomb proof, cylinder should be a standard Type 0 and cylinder head is V2, nozzle is an AK 'long' which is 21mm iirc. ICS do put a thicker than standard piston head in the L85 which I think contributes to AoE issues with aftermarket pistons if you also change the piston head. Another thing to consider is that ICS stock beige piston is fractionally longer than TM spec which again creates an AoE issue when you put a non ICS piston in an ICS gun.
Ah, split gearbox!
Love yur music choice for the videos boss.
Prometheus triple torque gears and ms150 spring with titan advanced v2. What motor to use?
Hey Luke, tried the Gaurder gas as you suggested for my M17 a few weeks ago...still does not work great, so going to use it as a hammer as it's shit as an airsoft pistol..lololol
im just here for the music, on another note have you ever dealt with the "other" version of airsoft (Gelsoft)?
How come that VFC makes some pretty bad GBB pistols, yet they also produce some pistols that are probably the best around (HK45, FNX45) ? What's so different about them ?
Vfc the best anti consumer airsoft manufacturer.
love the music you use
Sucks that the m17 seems to be designed for c02 but chronos at 450 fps (in my experience) using c02
mega drive,
a man culture i see
want to buy a FN FNX 45, should i buy TM or VFC? TM has polymer slide, vfc metal
Tm.Use weak gas. Or get a better pistol like hk 45 ct.
I hope the next video will be sponsored by Czech alcohol.
for real that fake molded torque head screw really pissed me off when I opened mine up
lmao, found this video again as my G&G L85A2 fucked up on it's first run in the field after 3 whole mid-caps. Sounds like it's stripped something in the gearbox. Fun :)
Additionally, why is it G&G have to be special and not thread their barrel so it won't accept a tracer unit.
Put about $600 into the m17 because I love the gun. It works well, but nowhere near as well as $600 should make it
Do love a bit of five finger 😉 great video mate knce again
FFDP - You !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Awesome track!!!!
What ever you do.....dont put Co2 thru that M117......about 10 shots on mine and it exploded the nozzle, and apparently I'm not the only one.
Edit : 2:30....had that exact same issue....they blue thread locked the piss out of those screws. 😡 I had to order new ones
That m17 has a meaty cycle clunk
I could smell this video when he was dry firing the pistols
The L85 doesn’t do that with the 11.1 battery - only the 7.4s
What do you think is the best mp5k externals wise?
uuuu Five Fingers Death Punch :P .. nice
ur awesome keep it up
Spirytus is the shit - my favourite drink
Mix with sugar & paracetamol if you have the flu
@@NegativeAirsoftTech only alcoholic drink I've ever had that makes me feel more awake than I do before I drink it 😂😂
my m17 wasnt threadlocked and that fake screw wasnt glued. prity sure someone else has worked on that.
Well I’m glad I bought an army one compared to g g
The vid deserves a like just for the laugh 😆
Q: FTL (game) soundtrack?
Nice Music taste as usual
now i miss my AA L85 :(
Who wants an l85 anyway🤣
@@iammrbadguy9706 I have a soft spot for fuck ugly guns, several members of my family are concerned 😂