Harbor Freight's NEW Warn Killer Winch. Badland APEX Winch install and real world use!
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In this video i install and test out Harbor Freight Tools brand new Winch, the Badland Apex series. This thing is pretty awesome 12,000lb, synthetic line and a wireless controller(this is my favorite feature). Overall i am really happy with the performance of this winch, it looks great and performed as good as it looked. The line speed was a significant improvement over my previous winch. At a price point of $799(TIP:use a 20% off coupon) this thing has the features and look of a winch twice the price. Also check out there new line of offroad lights Roadshock LED.
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Looks like you were having a hard time getting it stuck.
Lol
I think he could have made it if it wasn’t for the winch video lol
It’s a Jeep thing...
Yup you really have to try to get it stuck and if you build it right it just won’t
Of course, it is a TJ. The new Jeeps get stuck a lot easier and break even easier than they get stuck.
I've become a big fan of Harbor Freight over the years. The quality of most (not all) of their offerings is on par with other big buck names, and they have replaced the few things I have broken for free and without question. I remember trying to get Sears to replace broken Craftsmen stuff back in the day. I'd rather get a wisdom tooth pulled than go through that again. I'll be buying a HF winch for my sxs this week!
Their top of the line stuff is incredible. It always tests better than the competitor they're aiming for. I go with Hercules, Icon, and I've got this Badland, too. I'm a customer for life now. The days of only getting crappy tools for a job you're only gonna used them once for are her.
The biggest killer of harbor freight winches that I have seen is the grease in the gear set. After a year or two, the grease tends to gum up, making it difficult to pull the winch cable out. If that happens, pull off the gearbox, disassemble it and blast everything with a degreaser solvent, then re-assemble it with some good synthetic wheel bearing/chassis grease. The Red Mobil1 grease is pretty good in my experience.
Just my 0.02, take it as you will.
Good tip, thanks👍🏻
That's a very capable JEEP, good driving ability too. JEEP's have a poor reputation for reliability here in Australia but I'd have to winch my Toyota Landcruiser VDJ79R over 80% of that course. P.S Nice winch too but I'm stuck like glue to my WARN XD9000.
Just added 99 of them to my cart. That equals to $79,199.01. If anyone was curious.
Jeremy Rhodes thanks that's useful information. 😂👍
Was that with or without the $200 off, lol.
Sharing the important information right here.
Wow that could almost get you a Warn Winch!
HF Super Coupon is 25% off!
I'd be willing to bet that the harbor freight winch and smitty built winch are made by the same manufacturer
No I believe smitty makes tractor supply's traveler winches, champion I think makes the badlands
Warn owns the Badlands brand....
China!
@@johnpike9612 Is it warn now? I know a few years back all the harbor freight winches were mile marker.
@@Daishar honestly idk for 100% who makes todays hf winches...... several years ago i looked at buying a badlands winch at my local harbor freight and on the box it said the manufacturing company was warn winch but that may have changed even though the design hasnt until this apex model......technically warn was the manufacturer but harbor freight has always owed the brand name..... i shouldve said "makes" not "owns" the badlands brand
Waiting for it to get stuck....nope...not stuck....oh wait, he'll be stuck there....nope, not there....oh he'll definitely get stuck here....nope...not stuck there either....
😂
I only drink beer and whiskey in the shop.
Duuude. That rig is a beast. And you can drive. Was thinking you weren’t gonna even need the winch.
Thanks, a week at King of the hammers improved my driving for sure. Was I actually stuck??? Not really, just wanted to test out the winch, lol
I was going to say the same thing as Beto. Duude that thing rocks. I have watched a bjillion jeepin videos and that few minutes was some of the best. Every ones got JKU's now. you would have never seen a JKU crawl thugh that like you did. This is why I still have my similar decked out 13 JK. but I'm on 35's no BL. That is the next upgrade but that includes 37's or 40's some good D44's or the jump to 60's and that's a jump. What axles are you running? Oh and I doubted you were stuck either. You could have backed up and punched it over that but I get why you wanted to try the winch :) I too have been looking at the BL 12000. There is a HF a mile away from me and I shop there all the time my question is long term. You will have to do an update video in a 6 months or a year.
Thanks, I do plan on using it a lot over the winter and I am sure I will be using it at Easter Jeep safari in Moab this April. I will give you guys an update on how well it performs once I get some real use out of it. My last video I talk about axles and what it takes to get to 40’s. Also I soon will be starting a build series on an ultimate Ford 9”, and long arm install.👊🏻
I must say, this winch looks suspicious similar to my Warn Zeon 12, right down to the control unit and the remote location system
The wireless is cool. Here’s a tip, find out what battery is used in the remote. Get a spare and put it in the glove box.
The switch that selects “wireless” mode on the winch may short out if exposed to weather. I swapped mine out on my Smittybilt.
Good tip👍🏻
That looks like an awesome winch!! I love the wireless controller on my winch. Great video Kelly! ❤️🐞
Thanks👍🏻 gotta love that wireless
I dunno, the warn vr evo 12k winch with synthetic is $833 on amazon and has a lifetime warranty and 7 years electrical warranty. The harbor freight is $799 and has a 90 day warranty. I’d pay the $35 extra fellas and get the warn. Also I was wondering when the hell he was going to get stuck lol drove that Jeep like a badass haha
True, plus the VR line is all made in China IIRC.
$800 and it comes with a 90 day warranty? I think I'll just save up for a Warn
Come on with an easy coupon (put "apex winch" into google") it can be had for 499, and you are free to buy a "no questions" warranty if you like.
It has the shortest warranty in its class.
"don't drink those energy drinks, they're bad for you...i'm drinking this concoction, i don't know what it is, but it's good"
Beer is good too
I'm here watching this because I saw it today in the store. Really nice. I have a 12,000 Badland Series 1 on my Avalanche. No problems at all.
Just in case you didn’t know, many winches are the same internally they just have different cases to make them look different. You would be surprised how many name brands are the exact same winch underneath regardless of winch size( 8000 lbs or 12,000 lbs). Basically what happens is a company in China makes a winch then everyone pays for it and builds a case around it. The reason I know this is because I worked for a company and helped design their case. Warn makes their own stuff but many of the name brand aftermarket companies sell the exact same winch and nobody knows. Now this doesn’t mean they are all junk and warn is the best. From the data I saw warn actually had the highest number of returns and warranty claims vs the cheaper winches. Maybe this is due to the average joe or soccer mom buying a less expensive winch just for looks and never actually using while people who buy warn products actually use theirs idk. Anyhow the cool thing about the harbor freight winches(which are the same as many other name brand companies) is you can purchase individual replacements parts when something breaks so they are cheap to keep up too.
I'd say warn has a great customer service and warranty platform, and people know it too. so they take advantage of it. the other companies i feel like most of the people won't bother because maybe its too much of a headache? just my guess
Makes sense, I feel like even Warns newer models coming out are designed the same as these off brands just to compete. My biggest question isnt how if performs but how long it performs. One of Warns signatures is that people have been running their winch forever. I haven't shelled out the big bucks for a Warn, but I have gone through a few cheap winches. Engo winch the first thing that failed was the solenoids. Box filled with water. They replaced it no questions.... did the same thing 6 months later and that was just sitting on the bumper. I decided to go with the Tractor supply brand because of the quality of water proofing and I've had it for 3 years with no issues so far except their wireless attachment. It got water in it and shorted out. Took it apart and it's just hot glued to keep parts in place. I bought a new one and sealed it with RTV so we'll see how that holds up. I'll probably pull the gears apart and re-grease them with quality grease, but with new tech, even crappy products can be a great deal.
Warn winches with prefix VR come from China, reason for lower pricing.
Preston thanks for sharing!
auto batteries are like that too many brands go down one Assembly line
My 12,000 lb Badlands winch that I bought a couple years ago works just fine. I got a couple of fellow 4x4 out of a jam with it, and myself. You can find winch covers of various sizes on Amazon
Wireless is cool but I didn’t see u put it under any real test. Bury the Jeep then use it. Of course it’ll pull u over a small log
True, but I wasn’t going to bury my Jeep past the doors in nasty Elbe mud just to try out a winch, lol.
The smitty and the older HF winches were made in the same factory 😂😂😂 you're right it's not a fair comparison because the HF is BETTER 😂😂😂
But it has a 5% Duty cycle. 45 seconds of use then 14 minutes 15 seconds of rest. Won't be very useful if you get REALLY stuck.
Aaron Stramiello StramielloPhoto at 12,000 lbs
@@windowwiz100 If you have a 5K pound vehicle stuck, with outside forces it does not take long to get to 12k. The duty cycle on these winches has always been their biggest downfall.
Interesting mount plate you have . Looks well thought out and convenient. Dandahermit.
Just got mine for $499 did an unboxing & install video! Very high quality winch for the price
Very capable little jeep. Could use some belly armor. What tires are you running?? Dandahermit
I went to HF and saw that thing it’s a beast
@This Guy thanks so much I fixed it just for you bud!
I put a Apex 12000 Badlands on my YJ last year I liked it so much I just put one on my TJ yesterday
Warn is the worse winch I ever had thd displeasure of having. Worse yet, the customer service was horrible. Granted the winch was not fod heavy duty use. It was for an ATV. But it only pulled a small ATV out of the mud twice and the piece of junk failed. Then the customer service lady made it seem like it was my fault. The atv was not mine and neither was the winch. She made it seem like since the ATV and winch were not mine that I was abusing someone else's equipment by installing the winch wrong. I told the owner of the ATV what was going on and he demanded his money from the customer service woman and he sent back the crap warn. He winded up buying a Badlands winch. I installed it and there has been no problems at all.
warn has always been way, way, way over-priced.
they are good stuff, huh?
My Warn 8274 was made in 1983, has made thousands of pulls, and still works as if it was new. If it do break it I can have any part on it overnighted in the mail . There isn't a chance in hell this china made winch will be working in 37 years and if it fails after your warranty at hf you can throw away your $800 . I have no problem with the cheaper hf winches but $800 is too much to spend on a throw away product you can't get parts for. Warn products are not cheap but people who don't understand value are.
@@bdd1469 yeah, maybe not so over-priced. they're good iron, huh? do you know how they stack-up to Mile-Markers hydraulic units? i honestly never had a winch.
@@bdd1469 I agree, I just looked it up $800. Might as well as spend a little more for a WARN. But I also dont believe Warns quality is the same as 1983 year model. Could be wrong tho, thats all companies nowadays.
My 3yr old Warn winch has screws rusting. I live in Colorado, not the rust belt. My Jeep is garage kept and 8k miles a year. Even the stickers on the warn started falling off after 1yr. I know some people that have had that Warn's for 25yrs but Warns aren't made like they used to be. Warn are not worth the price anymore.
As someone who likes your channel and someone who likes harbor frieght.. I'm glad they gave you a winch to review, because I was looking into winches and now your review has me sold on the badlands synthetic. So if Harbor Freight is listening, please send this man more free tools for me to buy.
I'm currently running a Smitty winch I've had for 7 years. So far still good.
My 8 year old Smittybilt was doing fine when I pulled it off, lol.
Muddy Beards 4X4 sorry I didn't finish my thought, someone interrupted me haha. I just recently noticed harbor freight had these new winches and thought about trying it out. But I can't justify it yet as mine works good. I would like to see a side by side comparison of this and the warn. Great video by the way
got a 3ish year old smitty bilt 9500 with steel cable on mine.. use it quite a bit with no issues, it got a real workout removing stumps after a hurricane came thru and i was doing tree removals.. max pull with two batteries hooked to it for extended periods of time in and out back and forth with a snatch block and jeep chained to a large tree... it got hotter than i imagine was good for it so did the alternator but got the job done and works just as good as it did before.. pulled about 5 stumps with it and a sawzall of 30-36" trees id get a 12-15k one if i was buying another
Had a 9000lb. Harbor freight on a Jeep for 5 years. Pulls like hell and have had zero problems. Have a 4 year old 3500 on my side by side. No problems with it either
I plan to run an auxiliary battery dedicated to the winch. Dandahermit
That trail looks like it could have been in the older Top Truck Challenge competitions.
Yep, they put in a lot of work up there on the trails. They had just had a work party a few weeks earlier so it was fresh and new👊🏻
would really like to see you USE that winch to see how it fares ...looong mud pull or steep uphill ...it looks SWEEET!
Lol, yea the Jeep doesn’t really get stuck that much... and I am not willing to bury it past the doors in mud just to “try it out”🤟🏻
I can't figure how to go down to your lincs?? Duh I'm old.
Please keep us posted especially about LONG term reliability
I will👍🏻
I hope they come out with a more compact 9000lbs version with removable solenoid that can fit under bumper with that fast line speed.
Looks like my warn zeon winch. If they actually put oil and grease on the gears and protective goo on the electrical contacts and connections, it will be far better than warn. Oh and warn is far from water proof. Ok so it's way better than anything warn.
Was going to say, it’s unlikely you’ll get that TJ stuck. I’m pretty confident that I was right and you weren’t really stuck, but thanks for demonstrating the winch!
warn will last you a lifetime badlands won't they are junk
Did I read the warranty right, 90 days?? If so that's a crap warranty, one of the worst in the industry.
That is one bad ass TJ. While I have no problem spending $289 on their old 12,000 winch as a back up or trailer unit , I'm not spending $800 on a winch I can't buy parts for. You can buy any part you need for any warn winch , which is hard to put a price on.
Sorry bro, I drink bang all the way✌. Badass winch
Has ypur beard ever actually been muddy though🤔😂
Lol😆
Great video!! New sub!! Not all Harbor Freight stuff is bad!! Looks pretty good to me!! Thanks man!!
I hear it comes with stickers! That's a sign they are proud. It would be cool to see a jeep with harbor freight, supertech Walmart stickers. Great video and nice jeep
Lol, stickers are the most important part right...
We all know you werent really stuck lol great video
"Let's go get stuck!" :-)
Finally someone who uses it. Every video is people taking it out of the box and putting it on a table saying it’s a great winch. How the fuck does that help anyone lol
Yep, I use my junk, lol. 👍🏻
That jeep is unstoppable!
Great review. Matter of fact, I just bought one. I know this is an old post, but I have one question. You wired the positive to the pos battery terminal. What did you do with the small little ground wire. Little back wire. TIA
Ground wire on the back of the winch
Is that the Elbe Hills ORV park? I got a big dent on my LX470 on the Alder Loop Trail. Harbor Freight has really improved their higher-end game.
Yep, Elbe hills👍🏻
I never thought about putting harbor freight on my Wrangler. This video gives a very good argument that you don't have to spend 1000+. I do wonder about parts availability later in down the line.
Shekhar Moona With the money you save up front in the future just go buy another one.
Who cares you werent really stuck. you were just trying to showcase the winch, which you did a good job of. Haters gonna hate. I think im gonna pick one of these up.
True.. haters will hate, lol. But I have actually used it a ton, as I show in my one year review video of it.
Congratulations. Your review made it into the HF monthly catalog
Thanks, someone sent it to me Instagram, I had no idea, lol.
But it does not come with the Warn pull strap I can hang on my bumper like a banner, how will people know I am big doody offroadie?
🤣
I don’t think you need a winch with that tank
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MuddyBeard/s: Dude...you are a driving MACHINE!!! Outstanding driving!!!
Anyone actually look at this thing the duty cycle is like 5%. 45seconds of use and wait about 15minutes before using for another 45seconds. That sounds ridiculous.
On paper that doesn’t sound great, but all the other winch makers don’t even tell you a duty cycle of their winches, they say “intermittent”? Also that 45 seconds would be a full 12k load with one wrap on the drum. I will never touch anything close to that with my Jeep, also using snatch blocks help out as well.
45 secs is a long time with that speed. It would pull probably 50 feet in 45 secs and you would need to reset everything anyway to continue pulling. We are talking $600 for a synthetic line 12,000 pound remote winch with a bunch of accessories. The closest Warn like that is $2000 on Amazon.
@@bryanhersman4037 we talking 50ft or 50 inches or are we talking no load? You have a point though some times you aren't pulling very far. alot of times i pull pretty far though 50ft sometimes 100. feel like with a 7000lb truck id be waiting all day for that to cool down. Under a load it probably pulls 5-10ft a minute. Good for a jeep on trails not a truck in mud.
This is not a fare test. That jeep is too bad ass to get stuck, hahahahha
Picked one up yesterday lol thanks
At 658.00 yesterday at harbor freight in Syracuse, Ny.
They go on sale all the time, save some $
After watching all the good reviews about this Apex winch I'm getting one now.
Don’t use the mounting bolts they give you
How's it holding up?
U have 2 have marrocan green tea. That shit keeps u awake..
What happens to the old witch? ;)
Sold to buy more Jeep stuff👍🏻
I will be getting one...(with extended service contract of coarse!)
👍🏻
Good ol’ harbor freight swip swap
Before you purchase compare the warranty with the smitty Built I think you'll change your mind. Not to mention you'll save money
$599 on sale right now.
IMHO extended service contracts are useless.
Never owned a winch, thinking of getting one, but what I've been warned about is the duty cycle on the Badlands. What happens if you find yourself using the winch more than one within 30 minutes time? Can the winch handle it? Serious question and if I don't know what I'm talking about, it's because I don't own a winch 😁
Have you done a long term test video? Would really like to see how its holding up after all this time.
Yes I did. After a year. And it has been 3 years now, still works great and I have 2 of them. On the Jeep and the S10. Did I BREAK it? Long term review of the Harbor Freight Badland APEX 12k Winch.
ruclips.net/video/MubF-PtID_4/видео.html
Did you ever do a long term review of the winch?
Not yet, I haven’t had to use it enough to do a review. Only used it the one time in the video. Don’t get stuck much.
@@MuddyBeards4X4 right on, thanks for the update
when testing a winch don't help it, let it do the work so we can see what its capable of.
Leave it in park too
That winch is too high and cover the all front grill It'll afect the airflow for the radiador...
Just saw you on DirtLifestyle, this video was recommended, and now I’m subscribed.
Thanks for coming over and checking it out👊🏻
Considering it's a 12000 lb winch it shouldn't have any issues with something like a jeep.. you want to test it, go get a diesel stuck in some mud. Then make a video. That thing should be able to pull something like a jeep straight up a tree no problem.
90 day warranty uhh no thanks I'll stick with smitty..
Any cooling issues blocking that much of your grill?
I don’t have any issues, but I have an aluminum radiator and electric cooling fan. And it rarely seen street driving.
I'm using a mile marker 18,000 winch and love it, but wouldn't mind using another winch for the rear for reverse recovery situations.
Harbor Freight stepping up their winch game by copying Warn instead of mile marker now. I would still cough up an extra $50 and get the name brand warn vr evo 12-s. Their customer support alone makes worth the extra. Not to mention replacement parts availability.
Can you get a Warn 12k for $599.
My quick Amazon search found a warn vr-12 for 619 and a warn evo-12 for 673. I'm sure if you look around some more you could probably find them a little cheaper.
That's a bad ass Jeep! Didn't look like you could get stuck.... Lol
Well... didn’t really try very hard. Had to try out the new winch, lol.
Oh hey, just subbed ya-
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I have a badlands on my s×s and had it for years and it works just fine never had any problems
Just bought this winch for my YJ today. I had the HF 12,000lb cable line winch. It was great but had electrical issues and warrantied it out and paid a lil extra for this one. Seems like a huge upgrade. Can’t wait to install it. My question for you though @Muddy Beards 4X4 is my winch came with a on/off battery switch to hook to the winch so it doesn’t always constantly have power. How come you didn’t use this in your install?
Mine did come with this switch. I did not install it because I was rushed getting ready for a wheeling trip the next day. I never had one before and have never had an issue. It is a good idea, but I don’t want to get stuck and have forgotten to turn it on and have no way of getting under the hood. so I am still on the fence if I am going to install it or not. I will be redoing all my wiring at the battery so I might do it then. Thanks for watching.
Yeah that’s the only bad part is having to open the hood to turn it on and off. I thought about maybe cutting the wire and re crumping it to where I could mount the switch inside the grill so you wouldn’t have to open the hood. But then if I do that wouldn’t be a whole lot of point in having it lol. But thanks for the reply! I was just curious!
They are in sale the end of this month for $289
799
599 in phx az
Fake news.
@@Muffduster they are $399 normal price in Oklahoma. Sorry your life sucks
pigtrapper 1 At least I don’t live in Oklahoma.
The new ones are called ZXR 12000, not APEX; silver hook, silver cable, diff. body style than APEX. Is the ZXR the same winch or not?
Definitely not the same. The apex is the top of the line winch with synthetic rope
@@MuddyBeards4X4 Yeah, I went to the HF store today and saw the both models, side by side. Totally diff animal. What's the major benefit to the synthetic rope, and other differences that the Apex has?
I’m in the market for a winch and I thought I was going to buy the Smittybilt gen 2 but after watching this video I’m going to pick up the Badlands. Great video
Gonna go out on a limb here, but if you buy a winch from harbor freight, you’ll probably regret it when you need it most.
I have to say that I got my chevy 3/4 ton buried to the axles in mud and the 9000 # badlands winch on my Cherokee pulled it out.
Good winches, good price.
Keith McComb yeah but what about in the long term? Nothing worse then being stuck for 12 hours because your winch quit out on you and getting so frustrated that you completely fold all your body panels on the driver side because your starving and just want to go home
youngdougtheaccountant people tend to think harbor freight is a bad word now. It really isn’t. Some stuff they come out with is built at good factories alongside the “quality” products everyone else loves so much. I’ve never had anything from HF fail on me in any way even with what I would consider abuse. I trust their tools and things for anything it’s rated to do until that day
Justin Sharp I’ll believe it when these things are 5-10 years old and have proved their worth. Taking some random persons advice on RUclips has got me into problems before. I but almost everything mechanic related from HF most are good, but I have broken a lot of things from them in past but has never mattered because I don’t need it to save my life like I would a winch
youngdougtheaccountant I’d agree that HF isn’t exactly the place that people expecting to use something for 5+ years should be using as their place of choice. Nor would I claim they’re professional grade anything. More like a “I should probably get a (tool) in case I need one” type of place. I’ve never kept anything from them more than a year or so because I lose them lol
How has this winch been performing since the video?
To be honest it still works and looks great, but I have never had to use it. I maybe use a winch once or twice a year.. maybe.
I mostly drink iced tea while working on my truck. It's nowhere near as modified and capable as your jeep. That's a lot of winch for the money!
Dude you can drive ! And that Jeep is a beast!! WOW!
Wow, that actually crawls pretty good for a jeep! Nice review!
Matt Davis what’s gonna crawl better? A dumb Toyota?
@@Muffduster uh oh someone's butthurt
Harbor freight is pure cheap garbage. But I will sub.
They have some good stuff, the Hercules miter saw is doing well for me. The HF nail guns I have shoot as good as my Hitachis.
OMG! I am a full-size truck guy ('85 1 Ton KChevy and a 96 K2500 Suburban) and also and old motorcycle desert and MX racer so I have some idea of what it takes to do things off-road. OMG! mind-boggling what you are doing here as "let's go get stuck". Could you talk about the differentials that are in you Jeep during this RUclips? I have factory GM LS clutch types in both trucks and I want Torrsen type worm gear/ worm wheel type as no maintenance and much sooner lock up. What are you running? Why?
I don't doubt that it works and I'm sure it's plenty capable. However I'd be hesitant to put a HF winch on my off-road vehicle. Longevity, reliability, and durability are more important to me than capacity. Having a winch failure out in the field is a hard lesson to learn to save a few hundred bucks. Honestly a winch is one of those buy once, cry once purchases. That's why I'd trust Warn or Superwinch over most brands. Going to need a lot more long term user reports before calling this thing a "killer" winch.
I love how we get to go along the trail with you! Nice camera work! Harbor freight coupon book brought me here!
Why synthetic rope and not cable? I think I like cable better . Can you tell me why rope and not cable.
Stronger, lighter, safer, lots of reasons. Most off road competitions don’t even allow steel cable anymore👍🏻
Me personally I like cable better synthetic is good in the long run cable is actually more durable you have to clean synthetic lines warn is the winch I would go for.
There is no question that synthetic is safer and lighter. But steel cable is way more durable! Ive seen multiple rope lines snap, have yet to see a cable snap (thank God!) Synthetic breaks down over time and with any direct sunlight. Its lifespan is not as long as steel cable. Ive run both and prefer synthetic just because free spooling steel cable sucks!!!
@@krover01 I agree I never had one cable break. I had so many synthetic on my RZR and they all broke. I kept them clean and never let it pile up . My cable I dont let pike up either. I just don't know now. 12000lbs winch and its synthetic. Omg. I won't but it with out cable. Thanks for the video Muddy. You have alot of them.
Red Bull...it gives you wings you know
Safety Always, so others know you should be doing it Always the Heavy Blanket over the Line, even tho its Synthetic, Always practice Safety. And when you bring the Tow Line in, be Careful your not going to Far your Hitting the Fairlead, that Fairlead should remain with out any Scratches, because your using Synthetic. Very Cool Winch, I love the Accessory's it comes with, very Nice. It would a good for a Follow Up if the suddenly Breaks on YOU, even tho Harbor Freight Supplied it
How responsive is the remote in wireless vs wired? The winch I have (vortex direct, several years old) the wired is perfect and the wireless is laggy. Looked at the HF wireless controller that plugs into the steel cable winches and they're laggy too...
Thanks to your videos on the 12k Apex Predator, I bought it and installed it onto my new steel winch bumper on my Tundra.
I may never need it, but it feels dang good knowing it's there if I get stranded or want to help someone else.😊😊😊
Id be impressed if it was free to. That being said, Ive had more issues with Warn winches. Ive had my smittybuilt winch for 3 years and its never let me down.
Brian Nolastname I’ve had my Shittybuilt for 6 year and it finally stopped working. I think it’s just the solenoid though.
@@ElkinsEric smittybuilt has a good customer service, they may be able to help trouble shoot the issue.
Yeah Smittybilt customer service is tops . I had an issue with one of my bumpers recently and they sent me a replacement with no grief
So you run the winch with the engine running for maximum power? Why do some off road rigs have 2 batteries does it have anything to do with the winch??