Hello Thom, my name is Tom, how are you? . Sir, about the only thing I ever climbed was either Mt. Lassen, or the FBI's Most Wanted list. 😌😐.. The first story I clicked into was the story about the dude from Santa Rosa that was doing bad things to Women. I am from Cloverdale, it hurts that someone like that was from somewhere near you, yes? They found that poor girl, Polly Klass just a 1/4 mile down the street from my childhood home, 🥺- God sakes...
Heya Thom, Binging now and appreciating the knowledge and level headedness in your reports. One thing was omitted though. When you state that 80-something percent of the deaths were at local companies, we need the numbers of how big the percentage is of the overall pie between locals and foreign run organizers. For arguments' sake, if the Nepali companies have an 80% stake of the market, they are not overrepresented in the deaths. But I suspect it's much less. Would just be nice to have that number, too.
@@sorbabaric1 I have so much respect for Nim's Day ( sorry for the miss spelling) I don't believe he harassed 2 women in any way. What I would love to know is were they both on the mountain at the same time? As this would be a great time to plan something like this out. What a shame for Sherpa Nimsday and his family. I haven't seen such a horrible Injustice done to anyone else in a long time. Fight Hard and Give them Hell ! After all that's what they signed up for!!!
The mystique of the mountain has completely evaporated. It's pretty much a tourist destination at this point. Might as well install an escalator to speed things up.
Ya I agree. They should do away with ropes etc and leave it as a truly physical challenge only for those who want to climb it raw like years ago… so that submitting really means something.. Or they should admit they’ve sold out completely and ya, install escalator type things and pulleys all the way to the top to officially complete the conversation to a tourist site.
The Mountain should be closed to all recreational climbers indefinitely. Clean her up and restore her natural splendor… What is the matter with us? What ever happened to common sense? Excellent report - Great Job! Thanks
Have you ever noticed that these supposed goddesses are spiteful, unloving, and blood thirsty? The heretics fashion their idols to align with their own desires.
Thom, there is nothing "shocking" about SA occurring on Everest. It's primarily a man's sport still. I'm willing to bet, when women first began to climb Everest there were unreported instances still unreported. Women who were "pioneers" in traditional men's sports and professions were acutely aware that any complaints, however valid, would reflect badly only on the women reporting the incidents, would not be believed, and would only make opportunities more difficult for women coming after them. As women are becoming more numerous in such jobs and sports, reporting incidences is less risky for women. I joined a construction union in 1979 as an apprentice when I was nineteen years old, and retired almost 37 years later. I put up with a great deal, up to but *not* including rape. As the first woman to complete an apprenticeship in the building unions in a large area of my state, the *last* thing I needed was a reputation as a whiner, or as someone who would try causing trouble for co-workers by making "false" claims. The climate gradually improved, but is still not what I would call "good." Women these days feeling safe enough to report actual incidents is a *good* sign. That said...there should be a preponderance of evidence that Nims is guilty before "canceling" or punishment.
Thank you so much for your insight. You're right....shocking isn't the word. Disgusting might be a better way to put it. I'm working on more stories that align with the central element of your comment, have been communicating with two prominent high altitude mountaineers (women). There is also another story that I'm working on that underscores this, as well. Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment. I appreciate it.
@@retriever19golden55 I remember the days when a woman couldn’t walk past a construction site without cat calls and sometimes filthy comments. Kudos to you for being brave enough to take on that lot!
@@tsjackson72 I started my very first job on a Wednesday; no one spoke to me except the man they gave me as a partner because he had to, a little at least. He did the tricky brush work while I used an extra thick roller in heavy, sticky epoxy on cinder block walls. I worked my butt off. Friday he smiled at me and said the other guys wanted to know why we were going so fast! I spent part of the weekend in a hot bath, I was so sore. When I showed back up on Monday, suddenly they began talking to me. One grinned at me and said, "Wait till you have to use the Port-a-John, blondie!" And I said, "Wait till you find a tampon in the Port-a-John!" He belly-laughed, and that joke went all around the job. After that, things got friendly for the most part. I had a few problems over the years, but the worst were with men who had some authority because I couldn't get back at them verbally or with pranks. The more authority they thought they had, the worse they were.
There's a famous photo of the first woman to run in a marathon, and men were physically assaulting her to make her stop. She didn't. She kept running and now women runners are common. It's always "the first" ones who endure hardship so other women don't have to...sa is men's way of stopping us from doing things they consider to be "their" thing to do. Sa is also used in war to demoralize a people. And once again, women's bodies are a political football, to be kicked around. I'm in my 60s and this 💩 is exhausting. 😞
Nothing but respect! On May 29th I ran the Everest (basecamp) Marathon. Its a 11 day trek to basecamp then 2 days and 2 nights at BC then we run a Marathon down. The 2 nights at BC was freezing. All I could thing about was the 100 plus climbers on top of that cold mountain and the people that we heard about that have died just a few days before.
Very cool that you did the Everest Marathon. That must have been quite an awesome experience. Glad that you found the channel and thank you for your support!
Thank you for stating plainly how well researched the NYT article was about Nimsdai... Many people weigh in with an opinion that holds little weight as they don't know any of the parties involved. What it comes down to is understanding how much work and verification it takes to get an article like this into print. Love your work 👌🏻
Just started “In to thin air” and ordered a copy of “The Climb”. Everest is almost an obsessive subject to me! Would never in a million years would I do it, but jeeeze!!!!!!
You might very well enjoy my recent videos about these books and the authors. We have a video then followed by a longer discussion in a Live Stream. Here's the video link: ruclips.net/video/NBkgpAGzG4A/видео.html
This season on the mountain has been wild from Ryan getting to the summit at 19, Kami making his 30th summit(Superbeast!) And the Brit who fell from the cornice..it has been a wild season. I will not make any comment about the allegations against Nimsdai as there is not enough info available for me to be able to do so. I do hope, for Nims's sake, that whatever comes out about whatever happened is accurate. There are already a lot of rumors and rumors aren't the complete tale. To whomever read this, Peace be with you. Namaste.
Climbing the mountain now is almost shameful. So much traffic, so much disrespect of the challenge, the tradition, the mountain, the spiritual side of the revered place. Anyone who climbs like this and as part of these crowds should be ashamed, not proud, unfortunately it’s just gotten way to theme-park-like… a backflip on the summit? I mean come on, it’s just embarrassing 😢
Watching the videos of the HUGE lines of people waiting.... and the garbage dumps that they now call "base camps"... why the hell would anyone want to climb Mt. Everest now? Whats the point? To wait in line and pretend you are enjoying yourself? To camp in a garbage dump?
Unless you’ve climbed, it’s difficult to explain. But for a good chunk of the people up there it’s all about prestige. They don’t care how shitty a time it is (and frankly, expect it to be) but for the rest of their lives they will brag about summiting Everest. These are the same people who have their summit pictures blown up and hung in their glass offices at work.
@@LETMino85 Paying a bunch of Sherpas to cart you to the top can hardly be classified as a secular pilgrimage. Climb it alone, no massive team support.. MAYBE a pilgrimage. Now..... its all for attention whores to make youtube and facebook posts. Shut it down... or make is so expensive that the number of climbers is cut by 80%.... while the Nepali government would still earn the same tourist dollars, which is really the ONLY good thing about climbing Everest right now.... the money that goes into the economy of the country.
Pretty clear by now that the community of climbers who go to Everest is (mostly) utterly obnoxious. Why anyone admires this useless narcissistic pursuit is a mystery.
I love your channel and hearing about these amazing events. The more I learn about what's happening at Everest these days, it feels more like an attraction for rich and shallow people, rather than a genuine mountain climbing achievement. I mean, don't get me wrong, being able to say you've climbed Everest is still a remarkable thing to say you've done... but the reality seems more like having most of the graft done for you by Sherpa's and those putting out the ropes. I think I would feel ashamed to be one of the many people standing in a long line to get to the top, just to tick off a bucket list adventure. It's just another example of people abusing the environment to further their own greed. To me examples of real adventures are Hansjörg Auer and Alex Blümel's attempt on Annapurna where climbers go into the mountains relying on nothing but the equipment they can carry and their climbing skill.
Call me paranoid, but I do believe that Everest has been warning (so to speak) that it is time for her to be left alone. Global warming will only increase the shift of temperature, it will also affect the mountain itself. Everest is the resting place for the climbers who didn't make it back - and is now more fragile than ever. My prayers to all of those who rest in Everest's arms.
You're right. Each year we are seeing rising temperatures. This will cause major instability on lower mountain runs. I don't people really understand what's happening and the speed of it. Major changes are beginning.
Chomolungma THE mountain has become Hubris Hill (P.S. hope the post I grabbed the name from had it right if not, pls pardon+correct my laziness not verifying that)
I had a terrible experience myself with 14 Peaks / 7 Summits on Ama Dablam (a particularly difficult and ‘technical’ mountain) where I was matched with a 20-year old ‘Sherpa guide’ who barely spoke any English and as the climb progressed it became obvious that he had never been on that mountain. As the climb progressed, he would be in front of me and say things like: ‘So hard!’ Imagine the confidence that gave me as a still-new climber 🙄 At the same time, I’m grateful I learned this lesson on a 6000m mountain, not an 8000m one. I paid 6500 USD to the operator for this climb, way less than the 15K USD (minimum) that the Western operators charge for Ama Dablam. This said, unless you’re truly an experienced climber/mountaineer, IMO you’re better off saving your money and going with a Western operator that uses actual certified IFMGA guides. Your life is at stake when you go into the high mountains. Good luck to all!
I saw an article a while back about unscrupulous guides/guiding firms telling clients that they needed a helicopter evacuation when the clients had nothing resembling an urgent need -- the insurance company paid the chopper operators and money went to the guides from that payout.
I'm not a climber. Would it be realistic to have 2 clips when you are passing on a line? I've watched other incidents that describe climbers falling as they unclip. Thanks for feedback.
Wonderful & timely video Thom. Some thoughts: - first and foremost, I absolutely agree with Alan that we are watching the complete and total systematic decline & ultimate destruction of the Mt Everest experience, and the mountain itself. If only Nepal followed the rules they put out there, the state of affairs on the mountain might not be what they are. Just like any other practice or business, what did “they” think would happen when a virtually unregulated industry was broken wide open to the capitalist bendings of the world? I mean heck…up until this year there were freakin full on coffee shops at BC…ie non-Nepali companies who set up booths and sold lattes and scones for Christ sake. I could go on ad-nauseum over this, as it has infuriated me so badly for years, but suffice it to say, we have reached critical mass and something needs to be done by way of regulation if the mountain is to survive. Everest (BC especially) has outgrown itself. It wouldn’t necessarily be an issue if these items were spread throughout the summer months, but everybody there is at the whim of the mountain and every person in BC gets the same weather reports and sees the same (few) windows the guy one tent over sees. It’s too compacted, and that is something we have no control over (ie weather). -similarly, when it comes to rules, I have been screaming for years about Nepal’s “rules,” and writing annual letters to the Tourism Ministry there with suggestions and considerations to assist in accountability & follow-up on the rules. People were so happy that the rule about WAG bags (or other waste bags) was passed by the Nepalese gvt, but my response was simple…unless they are going to enforce the rules, they do no good. The Nepalese have been passing new rules prior to and after each climbing season going on two decades, and virtually none of them are followed or watched over. “No more poop on the mountain? great. So WHO will be held accountable if it continues happening and HOW will it be enforced?” The Nepalese don’t have the man-power to create a Magistrate Of Poop position for the company and give him the needed people to follow-up onsite. Ultimately, I think it will come down to the expedition companies as being the accountable. Rich clients don’t care about rules, whether it’s a helicopter at Camp 2 or poop at Camp 4. They’ll just offer more money and be done with it. You can’t fine or charge the Sherpa, as they’re merely poor employees. So the best way to do it is to charge the expedition companies BIG MONEY (ie in to the 100’s of thousands of dollars) if they do not police themselves. Again, rich clients won’t care, but expedition company owners sure will when it starts cutting in to their profits. Sadly, the government won’t play this kind of hardball. In any event, I will continue writing letters to the Nepalese Gvt EVERY YEAR begging them to be accountable for their laws, and providing them with ideas that I find are possible for them to utilize without costing much, if any money. The Chinese have already proven that it can be done, as the north side doesn’t look anything like the south, and Adrian at Alpenglow has already shown that responsible expeditions can be had. Though, to be fair, he does charge $100k. - to the topic of Nims…I have likely been in the minority, as I do NOT believe he should be penalized before investigations have taken place. This is largely (and possibly naively) believing in due diligence and western justice, where a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Do I PERSONALLY think he’s guilty? Well, it doesn’t matter (but, yes) as an investigation should be what yields guilt or not. I’m not saying that the women who came forward should not be believed. On the contrary, they have provided an adequate & reasonable amount of information that an investigation should be launched. Several witnesses have come forward in Nims’ favor, disputing what the women have said (at least in part), but that should only be a part of the investigation. Once completed, then and only then should he face repercussions from the Nepalese Government. The public, however, has the right to a) stop booking with him, and b) stop buying his Nims brand. That’s a personal choice that people have a right to make. Now…I was watching his live stream when he announced that the fixed lines had been cut. I remember tweeting how abhorrent it would be for anybody to do such a thing. Then other expeditions started coming forward saying it wasn’t true. I didn’t know what to believe as the story kind of disappeared after a couple of days. BUT…for Nims to then “cut and run” (no pun intended) from Kathmandu AND delete his posts, with no explanation, I can say with certainty that I don’t like the look of it, as it lends itself to the actions of someone potentially guilty of lying. Whether that’s the case or not, I don’t know, but I certainly expect to see more about this, whether from the NYT or other blog. - on that note, I applaud the NYT for covering the topic of sexual abuse in the mountaineering community. I read the article and it went beyond just Mt Everest and including mountains and the industry the world over. What it reminded me of was the glory days of Yosemite, and how much of a testosterone-fest it was. Stonemasters like Lynn Hill, as well as many other notable climbers, including Steph Davis, Kate Rutherford all talked about the “Boys Club” that it was, and how tough women had to be in order to survive there. Well, I have no doubt that sexual harassment & rape have been occurring for decades, and likely continue to do so up to this day. I don’t know how the mountaineering/climbing industry could escape the problem. I, for one, implore ANY WOMAN IT HAPPENS TO to report it immediately. It’s gotta be hard, but the only way to stop it is a movement like #MeToo in our industry. - Lastly, I would be remiss if I didn’t sum what both you and Alan have said, that while the deaths and injuries weren’t as perilous this year, the drama is indeed at critical mass on the mountain. I didn’t know about two of the deaths but all the others I was familiar with. 5 of those 6 were likely preventable which sickens me. The one death due to HACE/HAPE is something terrible but comes with the territory in HA climbing. Overcrowding on the mountain is terrible and contributed to at least 5 of those deaths. It’s TERRIBLE when returning on-descent and you have to untether in order to walk around someone else. I mean, the path is barely wide enough for one set of shoes let alone two. Whether the tie-in lengths are increased so that people can stay tied in and have their tethers pass over the heads of ascending climbers, or another solution is found, something should be done, ‘cause that problem is not going away. The ONE Nepalese law that passed and has been followed is the 1:1 Sherpa/climber ratio, but now we have too many people up there. I was shocked to see Alan’s number of 2.5:1…that’s just crazy, but every added body increases the likelihood of death. Sad, but true. Yeesh. That was a book. I have other thoughts, but damn if this isn’t too long already. As always, a pleasure getting the update and a fine job in discussing the topics Thom. Until next time. Mike
Checkpoint on leaving BC: everything you pack needs to come back with you. Or you AND YOUR TEAM are fined and put to the back of the queue for permits next year.
@@borisnegrarosa9113 I really don't, think all are bad, it does take lot from a person to be able to climb a mountain like this even if many as example use it for glout.
all of the reasons why one would climb Everest no longer apply. it’s now the perfect metaphor for what humans are doing to our fragile sacred planet. it makes me ill seeing what it has become
Just curious-what type of percentage of money do the Sherpas get and do their families get any type of insurance if they pass away? And how is a money really distributed?
Please do not just give Nimsdai a platform. (Alleged) perpetrator are nearly always given a platform to speak about their "truth" and twist the event to make them less dramatic or to just gaslight/belittle their victims and sway the public opnion. If you do not have any experience on how to deal with cases involving sexual assualt get a moderator/expert who does. Perpetrator can be very manipulative and engaging and just kind that they can dictate how a conversation is going instead of you. Thats why it is important to have someone by your side to make sure you stay on track and who may be able to debunk some of the statements (e.g. say take yxz is actual gaslighting and not ok). You cannot just do something important like this, thats mainly affects women and just do not have their perspective involved. Also it would be very beneficial of you could get in contact with the women first to inform them what you have planned so they can prepare themselves mentally and maybe just speak TO them. Many people talk ABOUT the victim but not WITH the victim which is so dangerous. Please take care of this very sensitive matter and do not fall for any trap.
Thanks so much for your insight. About six or seven years ago I produced and filmed a short documentary for a women's shelter (each year they do a fundraising event and this film was presented to the audience - the film was done gratis). It was very difficult to find individuals that were victims of abuse to talk about their lives. Those that did were amazing, brave and filled with gratitude and humility that they had a chance to talk about their experiences. Unfortunately, one of the abusers somehow learned about the film and became enraged. That film no longer resides anywhere for viewing. All that said, my gut is that this individual would never accept the offer. However, your suggestions - should that offer ever be accepted - are absolutely on point. Thank you. Thanks so much for your time and insight
I watched the Everest film yesterday about the 1996 disaster .I blame the mail man for the others losing their lives.An inexperienced climber insisting on reaching the summit at all costs .And then there was the guy with no legs who climbed the mountain ,again relying on other people to help him .if you're not physically in A 1 condition you should not be allowed to climb the mountain.
So only rich people can go? They need to stop giving permits to people who have never climbed a big mountain. People who have no interest in climbing smaller mountains because the kudos isn't enough. They just want to brag.
@@em84cchina actually won’t give permits to people who “can’t claim.” Unlike Nepal. It’s a vicious cycle though. Nepal desperately counts on the money brought in from Mt Everest climbs, so while the government realize some things must be done, thus far they’ve proven they’re only willing to go “so far.”
@@miketausig4205 i heard China has made it even stricter and only giving permits to Chinese residents? Nepal just wants to make as much as they can off the mountain, even if it gets trashed in the process.
@@em84c for 2024 you are correct. China has enough going for them they really don’t need to open their side to westerners…not for the money. They have plenty of residents who would clinb. Or I could see them opening it to Russians & North Koreans (who wouldn’t be allowed to) as well. They’re very strict about it. In fact, they were the first country to actually “clean the mountain” if you will. For the most part they clear the bodies away too. Nepal makes a lot of money by having it open. Not just the $4-5M they make in permits but all the hotel business, food, vendors, and all the $$ spent JUST in Kathmandu by climbers. It’s sad, because if they were such a poor country they could really do something good. They could work to keep Everest clean and respectable, and still make good money. There is no shortage of wealthy people in the world who would pay loads more than they do, just to hang a picture of themselves on the summit in an office somewhere. Their Ministry of Tourism is a joke and sadly needs help. I’ve offered to move there and do the job for nothing more than room & board, and a small stipend, for 12-18 months.
Let’s not criticize people who choose to actually climb Everest in good style but not using supplemental oxygen. What makes Everest special is its elevation. Using supplemental oxygen artificially lowers the elevation. Thanks for the great content.
I’m no climber but to see all those people in a very dangerous situation is so stupid, plus nowhere to pass l am left shaking my head and yes everyone has to make money and they only have a short window to climb , with all the rubbish left behind at such amazing place is really sad😮
They need to do a lottery drawing for a cap on how many climbers get to get access to the mountain especially if overcrowding is the reason people are dying smh won't catch me signing up anytime in this lifetime
0:26 I think your title 2024 Season Recap is just perfect~! It is exactly the reason I chose this video~!! 0:32 "A point of no return?" hmmm.... I doubt that. 1:21 I'd love that scene as a picture on my wall ~ how very gorgeous~! 20:55 Why would 8 deaths, and as you say, fewer this year, lead to collapsing of companies doing the guiding? Or does Arnette mean lack of Sherpas willing to take the risks? 21:11 If Nepal already, doesn't enforce their rules, why would you think they would turn to weeding out the excessive profiteers who skimp on safety? Until the Nepal Gov't gets organizational condemnation, say from the UN or something, they're not likely to change. I imagine there is a certain amount of bribery and corruption involved too, given that it is their main source of income. Fantastic recap~!! Thank you. Good seeing you, godspeed.
Given how much Nepal depends on the income from all of these guiding groups I'n not sanguine that they'll make any meaningful changes. Thanks fro your thorough overview! I do find the allegations against Nims very disturbing . The NYT article suggests that Nims is not the only one--looks like the mountaineering world is moving into its #metoo moment.
Its sad what has happened to Everest, particularly in the last 20 years. Almost feel like what's the point in climbing it anymore? But then if you are an experienced climber (not just a well heeled tourist), this has to be the dream destination. How can you not climb it? Question for those in the know: is the Tibetan side "better"? Is it open to climbers now? Fewer climbers on mountain? thanks
You would think that Everest type people would be more conscientious. It really makes me sad that a place that should be treated with reverence is badly polluted now. It all will be gone before too long anyway. Melting away. Do you think it will be easier or harder to summit once her gown of ice and snow are gone? Any guess how far off that is?
Its the younger generations doing stuff in weird situations for social media.... watching live entertainment through their phones like at concerts, posing with dead grandma at the funeral home, doing flips on Everest, solving rubics cubes under water...... im a young GenX and i never wanted to do anything like this. Its people who grew up with the internet.
The great chomolungma is the greatest mountain in the world she is showing that she wont be disrespected their is a price to pay for what happens on mountain.
Thousands of people have climbed that mountain and thousands more will climb it and leave their sh1t all over it. Have they got wi-fi installed on the peak yet?
You leave your shit where you are why does that make you better? You think no one should go to mountain deserts? Why are water resources allowed to house people in deserts in north america? What a damn waste of resources!@The_Reality_Filter
Honestly, it's still serious mountain. We shouldn't act shocked that there is a death-count of there are so many people climbing. At this environment things happen. And I'm pretty sure everybody is aware of the risks. And I don't want to day that we shouldn't learn from accidents. Only whatever you do there, a residual risk remains.
I understand the money issue is important to the community, but it’s killing the climbers and the mountain. I wonder if the number of permits be drastically reduced and even halted for a few years to allow clean up and the mountain to recover from decades of over use.
So as a woman, you're not even safe from sexual harassment, when you climb to the top of Mount Everest? For God's sake, I am so fed up, done and over with this !!!!
I have recently watched some vids on Mt Everest concerning a young man that snowboarded down Mt Everest with documentation and witnesses.🤦♀ He came back a year later to try a different route, sadly he did not make it. I have a serious question is there not a way to get climbers down faster to 3 camp. Using pulley glide gizmo. Maybe not to camp 3 may to camp 4. I have never climbed, I don't think I could make it to base camp. I just started seeing vids for companies offering Base Camp Treks. It's kind of ingenious not taking crazy unqualified climbers to summit a helluva lot safer for all involved.
You’re thinking of Marco Siffredi. Funny, because I also just watched a video on him and now here I am reading and responding to your comment. His insistence on descending down a much more dangerous path is what did him in. To this day his body has never been found.
@@IAmPlaysWithSquirrel It's very sad, he did it. It was cemented in stone he was the first person to snowboard down Mt Everest. Why did he have to go back. He was so young just barely 21. Rip Marco🙏🙏🙏
Nims is well known in the climbing community for his advances with female clients. I know some very credible secondhand stories myself. This has been going on for a while now. Pleased the women have come forward.
This must be so frustrating/enraging/traumatic/daunting/heartbreaking hearing the same issues reccuring or amplifying season to season, esp if you've had firsthand experience on The Mountain, or you're personally close to people/communities who are or aspire to be, or if you're active against any of the many ethical & material hazards generated by activities on Nepal's routes/camps (I don't know enough about the Tibet side to comment on theirs). Even commenters on this page who may never want to climb Her &/or oppose tourist-climbs (eg. me) but nevertheless have been watching Her for many seasons must feel this pain; I don't want to diminish their genuine attachments either. I'm grateful for people with close experience covering + commenting on The Mountain + other high peaks for us, lending their perspectives, even when they disagree. It cannot be easy. Esp the "roundup" episodes that force everyone to confront the magnitude of it all. I guess that's why there's always that kind advice at the end of EverestMystery.
I still wonder why people are trying to push high peaks without O2. I get Messner was old guard but theres a lot of parallels to be drawn to in the scuba diving world. It took about a decade for Trimix to really be adopted and then became mainstream. Deep dives on air died out for good reason and so should extreme ascents without 02.
It’s purely the most heavily involved mountaineers who follow this. The ones who want to make their mark on climbing, who feel that it is not enough to just climb a mountain, anymore. We’ve climbed all the biggest mountains, so now it’s about doing them all without O’s. It’s also been speed and without O’s. Next it will likely be traverses without Os. Outside that super imposed mountaineering and climbing community, nobody cares. Just purists and just the people wanting to leave their marks.
Its clear the cap per season needs lowering to reduce human impact. The government should also have a seasonal HQ at basecamp, to limit abuses and ensure everyone returns with a sack of waste etc, paid for by a higher levy for climbers and basecamp tourists which would help pay for locals to maintain and manage this environment also.
Is Nims aware that the mountain is sacred and no hanky panky shall occur there? I recall reading that some ppl believe that the 1996 tragedy took place because of hook ups prior to summitting.
People are pushing themselves to make the climb even more dangerous (for example climbing without oxygen) in order to be "the first to..." Perhaps because of the pictures of overcrowding at Everest there's a perception that with paid expeditions, "just" climbing Everest is no big deal. The number of deaths we still see each year means "just" climbing is still plenty dangerous without going out of your way to increase the chances of losing your life and endanger others.
I want to be the first leperous albino dental assistant to play 3 rounds of Monopoly while eating Fritos on the summit. This has been my goal since about 3:28 yesterday afternoon.
The thing about what happens on Everest unless seen or recorded by witnesses, could still be true, specifically about the allegations towards Nims. If he did commit sexual harassment towards these women, the truth should come to surface.
Im always surpeised to see iflts you when I search for everest and its you 😊 I will binge your videos now ha ha My only recommendation is to not put the subscribe bell while youre talking as wvery time ive had to back up to hesr what you say. Its a bit loud and abrupt. Better yet if you can turn it down or off..but thats just me. Will be following you and arnett for all the good info :) you have a great narration voice :) ty
I'm so tired of seeing the back flipping poo dumping disrespect. Everest isn't just something to climb, it's a place of deep religious and mystical meaning, the mountain and the beliefs of it's native peoples deserve respect!
So that only the elite of elite can go? Better to test skill and training and only let those go that can pass certain tests and training. People would think twice if it cost them weeks before even going to base camp to prove they can stay alive. Time > money = people more serious about respecting the mountain and keeping themselves and others safer.
In Europe they have lifts that will take you part or all of the way up a mountain along with chateaus at intervals with overnight accomodations and hot food. At the very least Nepal should build a lift to get past the icefall and some accomodations at the South Col. At the South Col there could also be a nice shop at which you could buy or rent climbing gear, souvenirs etc. A movie theater for passing time on those bad weather days would also be appreciated. 😜
fun fact Kathmandu was named after the local practice of putting mens toupees on cats after the men passed away. its done to keep the memory of the men alive
8 or 9 people dead or missing is a lot when you think of how many people that affects in terms of their families and their own lives cut short and i agree that if you could talk to them now theyd probably say they were misled and basically for profit, so its inexperienced people inundating that mountain to the point of putting everyone, even experienced people at risk, thats its crazy. I ve surfed my whole life so i can only compare to if some surf coach was taking inexperienced people out to the best craziest breaks in hawaii just for profit and essentially fatally risking their lives and putting the real surfers their in mortal danger too cause of their inexperience, it would be absolutely crazy. Fortunately for surfing the inexperienced people would be either killed or injured or freaked out after one set and leave quickly and hopefully through that one set wouldnt cause a fatal accident or something and the locals highly regulate the space and so usually this issue takes care of itself but unfortunately for everest, even a inexperienced person can get pretty far and even survive if theyre lucky, whereas in surfing they wont last very long , and there doesn't seem to be that local elrment that regulates the place , because the issues are exactly the same with surfing cause you gotta be best in the world and the space can not handle a lot of people and still be safe. Can you imagine if 8 people died surfing at the pipeline, the everest of surfspots, in hawaii because the inexperienced people were able to stay out there longer and completely wreak havoc and kill everybody and there was no regulation by anyone of whos allowed to surf there? Thatd be crazy.
Should be a law tha everyone goes there has to come back with at least 10 pounds of trash or garbage. Compulsory by law to everyone visits the mountains. If you dont bring garbage back $5 thousand dollars in the spot. No exceptions.
@@frankblangeard8865 Yea it's a law and it's a requirement. And it's a $4,000 Euro deposit, when you come back down if you brought your garbage back you claim your deposit. But no one enforce that law. Nobody keeps track of the amount of equipment climbers take with them. They there's just for the money 💰. Specially the bigger tours companies.
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Hello Thom, my name is Tom, how are you? .
Sir, about the only thing I ever climbed was either Mt. Lassen, or the FBI's Most Wanted list. 😌😐..
The first story I clicked into was the story about the dude from Santa Rosa that was doing bad things to Women. I am from Cloverdale, it hurts that someone like that was from somewhere near you, yes? They found that poor girl, Polly Klass just a 1/4 mile down the street from my childhood home, 🥺- God sakes...
@@bold810 thanks Tom for watching ~ very good to have you here. Yes, that story was quite sad.
Heya Thom,
Binging now and appreciating the knowledge and level headedness in your reports. One thing was omitted though. When you state that 80-something percent of the deaths were at local companies, we need the numbers of how big the percentage is of the overall pie between locals and foreign run organizers. For arguments' sake, if the Nepali companies have an 80% stake of the market, they are not overrepresented in the deaths. But I suspect it's much less. Would just be nice to have that number, too.
I will respect someone more who pays to go up Everest to pack trash out, than a climber who pays to summit now.
totally agreed!
100%
Why? The only people trekking to Everest will see the trash.
@@sorbabaric1 I have so much respect for Nim's Day ( sorry for the miss spelling) I don't believe he harassed 2 women in any way. What I would love to know is were they both on the mountain at the same time? As this would be a great time to plan something like this out. What a shame for Sherpa Nimsday and his family. I haven't seen such a horrible Injustice done to anyone else in a long time. Fight Hard and Give them Hell ! After all that's what they signed up for!!!
Nobody cares about your respect 🤷🏼♂️
The mystique of the mountain has completely evaporated. It's pretty much a tourist destination at this point. Might as well install an escalator to speed things up.
So sad but true.
😃
Seems a bit passive agrressive.
Great idea! Sign me up!
Ya I agree. They should do away with ropes etc and leave it as a truly physical challenge only for those who want to climb it raw like years ago… so that submitting really means something..
Or they should admit they’ve sold out completely and ya, install escalator type things and pulleys all the way to the top to officially complete the conversation to a tourist site.
The Mountain should be closed to all recreational climbers indefinitely.
Clean her up and restore her natural splendor…
What is the matter with us? What ever happened to common sense?
Excellent report - Great Job!
Thanks
Or cut the numbers of permits in half and double the cost.
The lines of climbers following each other is obscene.
What good is beauty if it isn't a reflection in one's eye.
True that if that many people are lining up they ought to raise the price
It's all about the money 💰 and nobody gives a damn about common sense anymore 😒
Its beauty is actually meaningless if no one sees it. And if no one sees it, trash on the side of it also means nothing.
Annnnnnnnd once again humans show us why we can’t have nice things
@@kaylee4394 or ice things in this case.
😅😅😅
Did you mean to say:
Once again I proven to myself why I am unable to
have nice things?
The Mountain Goddess has spoken and she's said "You've paid with your money but you may yet pay with your life".
And how sad is that,as many lives as he has saved and gotten home safely.
Mountains are rock and ice and snow ….. theres no goddess
@@spiderknight9893tell that to EVERY Nepalese person.
Have you ever noticed that these supposed goddesses are spiteful, unloving, and blood thirsty?
The heretics fashion their idols to align with their own desires.
@@spiderknight9893 I think he meant figure of speech. We know it's not a goddess. @_GntlStone_
Thank you for a great video from some one who is not a climber but enjoys following all the stories from Mt Everest.
Thom, there is nothing "shocking" about SA occurring on Everest. It's primarily a man's sport still. I'm willing to bet, when women first began to climb Everest there were unreported instances still unreported. Women who were "pioneers" in traditional men's sports and professions were acutely aware that any complaints, however valid, would reflect badly only on the women reporting the incidents, would not be believed, and would only make opportunities more difficult for women coming after them. As women are becoming more numerous in such jobs and sports, reporting incidences is less risky for women.
I joined a construction union in 1979 as an apprentice when I was nineteen years old, and retired almost 37 years later. I put up with a great deal, up to but *not* including rape. As the first woman to complete an apprenticeship in the building unions in a large area of my state, the *last* thing I needed was a reputation as a whiner, or as someone who would try causing trouble for co-workers by making "false" claims. The climate gradually improved, but is still not what I would call "good."
Women these days feeling safe enough to report actual incidents is a *good* sign.
That said...there should be a preponderance of evidence that Nims is guilty before "canceling" or punishment.
Thank you so much for your insight. You're right....shocking isn't the word. Disgusting might be a better way to put it. I'm working on more stories that align with the central element of your comment, have been communicating with two prominent high altitude mountaineers (women). There is also another story that I'm working on that underscores this, as well. Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment. I appreciate it.
@@EverestMystery I enjoy your videos very much, I'm no mountaineer, I appreciate your expertise and your kindness.
@@retriever19golden55 I remember the days when a woman couldn’t walk past a construction site without cat calls and sometimes filthy comments. Kudos to you for being brave enough to take on that lot!
@@tsjackson72 I started my very first job on a Wednesday; no one spoke to me except the man they gave me as a partner because he had to, a little at least. He did the tricky brush work while I used an extra thick roller in heavy, sticky epoxy on cinder block walls. I worked my butt off. Friday he smiled at me and said the other guys wanted to know why we were going so fast! I spent part of the weekend in a hot bath, I was so sore. When I showed back up on Monday, suddenly they began talking to me. One grinned at me and said, "Wait till you have to use the Port-a-John, blondie!" And I said, "Wait till you find a tampon in the Port-a-John!" He belly-laughed, and that joke went all around the job. After that, things got friendly for the most part. I had a few problems over the years, but the worst were with men who had some authority because I couldn't get back at them verbally or with pranks. The more authority they thought they had, the worse they were.
There's a famous photo of the first woman to run in a marathon, and men were physically assaulting her to make her stop. She didn't. She kept running and now women runners are common. It's always "the first" ones who endure hardship so other women don't have to...sa is men's way of stopping us from doing things they consider to be "their" thing to do. Sa is also used in war to demoralize a people. And once again, women's bodies are a political football, to be kicked around. I'm in my 60s and this 💩 is exhausting. 😞
Congratulations Kami Rita! 30 Everest summits!
So?
That's just incredible!
@GrogHambone if you did anything with your life we'd congratulate you too..
@@markwaters7760 WOW!! Impressive!!
@GrogHambone you're a krang snout and you know it.
All this just makes the worlds highest landfill worse.
Nothing but respect! On May 29th I ran the Everest (basecamp) Marathon. Its a 11 day trek to basecamp then 2 days and 2 nights at BC then we run a Marathon down. The 2 nights at BC was freezing. All I could thing about was the 100 plus climbers on top of that cold mountain and the people that we heard about that have died just a few days before.
Very cool that you did the Everest Marathon. That must have been quite an awesome experience. Glad that you found the channel and thank you for your support!
Thank you for stating plainly how well researched the NYT article was about Nimsdai... Many people weigh in with an opinion that holds little weight as they don't know any of the parties involved. What it comes down to is understanding how much work and verification it takes to get an article like this into print. Love your work 👌🏻
Just started “In to thin air” and ordered a copy of “The Climb”. Everest is almost an obsessive subject to me! Would never in a million years would I do it, but jeeeze!!!!!!
You might very well enjoy my recent videos about these books and the authors. We have a video then followed by a longer discussion in a Live Stream. Here's the video link: ruclips.net/video/NBkgpAGzG4A/видео.html
@EverestMystery hey since when are links linkable again!?! Woo!
@@EverestMystery I think I’ve binged all of your stuff!!! Love it!!!
I suggest reading the Climb first.
@@worldtravelerforeversecond that!
id think about climbing everest but spending 40k to have a bad time or die seems like a waste of money
40,000 ? that’s on the very low end ; more like $75,000 and up for a good expedition company.
40k is on the low side for the guide company. It's double that for all the supplies and other addons
@@hijinks21 do they have coupons? lol
@@bigwaidave4865 i have a coupon lol jk
@@MikeHunt-fo3owI think Costco has special packages you can buy
This season on the mountain has been wild from Ryan getting to the summit at 19, Kami making his 30th summit(Superbeast!) And the Brit who fell from the cornice..it has been a wild season. I will not make any comment about the allegations against Nimsdai as there is not enough info available for me to be able to do so. I do hope, for Nims's sake, that whatever comes out about whatever happened is accurate. There are already a lot of rumors and rumors aren't the complete tale.
To whomever read this, Peace be with you. Namaste.
Climbing the mountain now is almost shameful. So much traffic, so much disrespect of the challenge, the tradition, the mountain, the spiritual side of the revered place.
Anyone who climbs like this and as part of these crowds should be ashamed, not proud, unfortunately it’s just gotten way to theme-park-like… a backflip on the summit? I mean come on, it’s just embarrassing 😢
Next ,some joker would try Headstand on the summit
In a Speedo lol!
So walking up a mountain is a life time acheivment ,its stupid
Watching the videos of the HUGE lines of people waiting.... and the garbage dumps that they now call "base camps"... why the hell would anyone want to climb Mt. Everest now? Whats the point? To wait in line and pretend you are enjoying yourself? To camp in a garbage dump?
The same reason as always. It's the highest point on planet earth. Nothing will change the allure.
@@leeroy110 I get the attraction. The view must be mind blowing, etc... its just very sad its in the state its currently in.
Unless you’ve climbed, it’s difficult to explain. But for a good chunk of the people up there it’s all about prestige. They don’t care how shitty a time it is (and frankly, expect it to be) but for the rest of their lives they will brag about summiting Everest. These are the same people who have their summit pictures blown up and hung in their glass offices at work.
To be on the highest mountain on earth at least once in your life. Think of it as a secular pilgrimage. Pilgrimages are usually not fun.
@@LETMino85 Paying a bunch of Sherpas to cart you to the top can hardly be classified as a secular pilgrimage. Climb it alone, no massive team support.. MAYBE a pilgrimage. Now..... its all for attention whores to make youtube and facebook posts. Shut it down... or make is so expensive that the number of climbers is cut by 80%.... while the Nepali government would still earn the same tourist dollars, which is really the ONLY good thing about climbing Everest right now.... the money that goes into the economy of the country.
The reality is that if you really respect places like Mt Everest, The Galapogos Islands, etc, you do not visit them.
So they haven't installed the escalators yet? But the overhead tram, casino and the no host bar are still on schedule, right?
The ne McDonalds will be at the top next season.
Once he has completed the purchase for 5x's more than its worth Elon will be re-naming the mountain X.
Proceeds from the casino could pay for cleaning up the trash. And people who climb Everest are certainly gamblers if nothing else!
Pretty clear by now that the community of climbers who go to Everest is (mostly) utterly obnoxious. Why anyone admires this useless narcissistic pursuit is a mystery.
I love your channel and hearing about these amazing events. The more I learn about what's happening at Everest these days, it feels more like an attraction for rich and shallow people, rather than a genuine mountain climbing achievement. I mean, don't get me wrong, being able to say you've climbed Everest is still a remarkable thing to say you've done... but the reality seems more like having most of the graft done for you by Sherpa's and those putting out the ropes. I think I would feel ashamed to be one of the many people standing in a long line to get to the top, just to tick off a bucket list adventure. It's just another example of people abusing the environment to further their own greed. To me examples of real adventures are Hansjörg Auer and Alex Blümel's attempt on Annapurna where climbers go into the mountains relying on nothing but the equipment they can carry and their climbing skill.
Call me paranoid, but I do believe that Everest has been warning (so to speak) that it is time for her to be left alone. Global warming will only increase the shift of temperature, it will also affect the mountain itself. Everest is the resting place for the climbers who didn't make it back - and is now more fragile than ever. My prayers to all of those who rest in Everest's arms.
You're right.
Each year we are seeing rising temperatures.
This will cause major instability on lower mountain runs.
I don't people really understand what's happening and the speed of it.
Major changes are beginning.
Chomolungma
THE mountain
has become
Hubris Hill
(P.S. hope the post I grabbed the name from had it right
if not, pls pardon+correct my laziness not verifying that)
@@colleenhelminiak1429 just pay more taxes. That will fix the environment
Earth temperature has gone up like 1° in the last 1000 years so technically yes earth is getting barely warmer, but it has nothing to do with humans.
Earth isnl getting warmer every year if you look at a chart over the last 2000 years, it’s almost a straight line with our temperature.
I had a terrible experience myself with 14 Peaks / 7 Summits on Ama Dablam (a particularly difficult and ‘technical’ mountain) where I was matched with a 20-year old ‘Sherpa guide’ who barely spoke any English and as the climb progressed it became obvious that he had never been on that mountain. As the climb progressed, he would be in front of me and say things like: ‘So hard!’ Imagine the confidence that gave me as a still-new climber 🙄 At the same time, I’m grateful I learned this lesson on a 6000m mountain, not an 8000m one. I paid 6500 USD to the operator for this climb, way less than the 15K USD (minimum) that the Western operators charge for Ama Dablam. This said, unless you’re truly an experienced climber/mountaineer, IMO you’re better off saving your money and going with a Western operator that uses actual certified IFMGA guides. Your life is at stake when you go into the high mountains. Good luck to all!
Please Nims, come on the show...
Shocking what is going on up there.
Loved the positive sign off.
Gratude & respect for this great update. 🙏💙
Lotta Hintsa has mentioned in earlier interviews that it is not easy for female climbers and mountains are not the only obstacles. This is Finnish.
Maybe Lotta should realize that Nepal is not Finland.
@@borisnegrarosa9113So women should just _expect_ SA in certain places?
@@ginmar8134 Reality can be uncomfortable and it's rarely fair .
@@ravenfeader That doesn't excuse anything.
@@philuribe7863 Some places and people don't care .
Wherever we go there we are. I don't understand the disrespect people have for our home.
I saw an article a while back about unscrupulous guides/guiding firms telling clients that they needed a helicopter evacuation when the clients had nothing resembling an urgent need -- the insurance company paid the chopper operators and money went to the guides from that payout.
First time here, so much news and info in one video, subscribed.
Awesome, thank you!
Thank you. Another great video❤
Thank you Trish!
I'm not a climber. Would it be realistic to have 2 clips when you are passing on a line? I've watched other incidents that describe climbers falling as they unclip.
Thanks for feedback.
I have always climbed with two clips on fixed lines and consider it mandatory, especially when passing another human being.
Your reporting is top notch! Fascinating and alarming events on Everest, thanks for keeping us informed.
Fantastic summery of Everest as only Thom could tell it.
Thanks as always for your support of the channel and for taking the time to watch!
I really appreciate your channel, thank you for keeping us posted on the updates from the mountain!! 🗻💙
Thanks so much I’m glad you’re here 🕉️🌄
Wonderful & timely video Thom. Some thoughts:
- first and foremost, I absolutely agree with Alan that we are watching the complete and total systematic decline & ultimate destruction of the Mt Everest experience, and the mountain itself. If only Nepal followed the rules they put out there, the state of affairs on the mountain might not be what they are. Just like any other practice or business, what did “they” think would happen when a virtually unregulated industry was broken wide open to the capitalist bendings of the world? I mean heck…up until this year there were freakin full on coffee shops at BC…ie non-Nepali companies who set up booths and sold lattes and scones for Christ sake. I could go on ad-nauseum over this, as it has infuriated me so badly for years, but suffice it to say, we have reached critical mass and something needs to be done by way of regulation if the mountain is to survive. Everest (BC especially) has outgrown itself. It wouldn’t necessarily be an issue if these items were spread throughout the summer months, but everybody there is at the whim of the mountain and every person in BC gets the same weather reports and sees the same (few) windows the guy one tent over sees. It’s too compacted, and that is something we have no control over (ie weather).
-similarly, when it comes to rules, I have been screaming for years about Nepal’s “rules,” and writing annual letters to the Tourism Ministry there with suggestions and considerations to assist in accountability & follow-up on the rules. People were so happy that the rule about WAG bags (or other waste bags) was passed by the Nepalese gvt, but my response was simple…unless they are going to enforce the rules, they do no good. The Nepalese have been passing new rules prior to and after each climbing season going on two decades, and virtually none of them are followed or watched over. “No more poop on the mountain? great. So WHO will be held accountable if it continues happening and HOW will it be enforced?” The Nepalese don’t have the man-power to create a Magistrate Of Poop position for the company and give him the needed people to follow-up onsite. Ultimately, I think it will come down to the expedition companies as being the accountable. Rich clients don’t care about rules, whether it’s a helicopter at Camp 2 or poop at Camp 4. They’ll just offer more money and be done with it. You can’t fine or charge the Sherpa, as they’re merely poor employees. So the best way to do it is to charge the expedition companies BIG MONEY (ie in to the 100’s of thousands of dollars) if they do not police themselves. Again, rich clients won’t care, but expedition company owners sure will when it starts cutting in to their profits. Sadly, the government won’t play this kind of hardball. In any event, I will continue writing letters to the Nepalese Gvt EVERY YEAR begging them to be accountable for their laws, and providing them with ideas that I find are possible for them to utilize without costing much, if any money. The Chinese have already proven that it can be done, as the north side doesn’t look anything like the south, and Adrian at Alpenglow has already shown that responsible expeditions can be had. Though, to be fair, he does charge $100k.
- to the topic of Nims…I have likely been in the minority, as I do NOT believe he should be penalized before investigations have taken place. This is largely (and possibly naively) believing in due diligence and western justice, where a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Do I PERSONALLY think he’s guilty? Well, it doesn’t matter (but, yes) as an investigation should be what yields guilt or not. I’m not saying that the women who came forward should not be believed. On the contrary, they have provided an adequate & reasonable amount of information that an investigation should be launched. Several witnesses have come forward in Nims’ favor, disputing what the women have said (at least in part), but that should only be a part of the investigation. Once completed, then and only then should he face repercussions from the Nepalese Government. The public, however, has the right to a) stop booking with him, and b) stop buying his Nims brand. That’s a personal choice that people have a right to make.
Now…I was watching his live stream when he announced that the fixed lines had been cut. I remember tweeting how abhorrent it would be for anybody to do such a thing. Then other expeditions started coming forward saying it wasn’t true. I didn’t know what to believe as the story kind of disappeared after a couple of days. BUT…for Nims to then “cut and run” (no pun intended) from Kathmandu AND delete his posts, with no explanation, I can say with certainty that I don’t like the look of it, as it lends itself to the actions of someone potentially guilty of lying. Whether that’s the case or not, I don’t know, but I certainly expect to see more about this, whether from the NYT or other blog.
- on that note, I applaud the NYT for covering the topic of sexual abuse in the mountaineering community. I read the article and it went beyond just Mt Everest and including mountains and the industry the world over. What it reminded me of was the glory days of Yosemite, and how much of a testosterone-fest it was. Stonemasters like Lynn Hill, as well as many other notable climbers, including Steph Davis, Kate Rutherford all talked about the “Boys Club” that it was, and how tough women had to be in order to survive there. Well, I have no doubt that sexual harassment & rape have been occurring for decades, and likely continue to do so up to this day. I don’t know how the mountaineering/climbing industry could escape the problem. I, for one, implore ANY WOMAN IT HAPPENS TO to report it immediately. It’s gotta be hard, but the only way to stop it is a movement like #MeToo in our industry.
- Lastly, I would be remiss if I didn’t sum what both you and Alan have said, that while the deaths and injuries weren’t as perilous this year, the drama is indeed at critical mass on the mountain. I didn’t know about two of the deaths but all the others I was familiar with. 5 of those 6 were likely preventable which sickens me. The one death due to HACE/HAPE is something terrible but comes with the territory in HA climbing. Overcrowding on the mountain is terrible and contributed to at least 5 of those deaths. It’s TERRIBLE when returning on-descent and you have to untether in order to walk around someone else. I mean, the path is barely wide enough for one set of shoes let alone two. Whether the tie-in lengths are increased so that people can stay tied in and have their tethers pass over the heads of ascending climbers, or another solution is found, something should be done, ‘cause that problem is not going away. The ONE Nepalese law that passed and has been followed is the 1:1 Sherpa/climber ratio, but now we have too many people up there. I was shocked to see Alan’s number of 2.5:1…that’s just crazy, but every added body increases the likelihood of death. Sad, but true.
Yeesh. That was a book. I have other thoughts, but damn if this isn’t too long already. As always, a pleasure getting the update and a fine job in discussing the topics Thom. Until next time. Mike
Thank you for your informative comment.👍
Checkpoint on leaving BC: everything you pack needs to come back with you. Or you AND YOUR TEAM are fined and put to the back of the queue for permits next year.
This is soooo messed up. Humans are destroying this too😢 until the mountain says enough is enough.
Mt. Cesspool
Seems to attract the worst kind of people for sure.
@@borisnegrarosa9113 speak for yourself, Bozo!
@@WOOD-BOOGER-lc4fl I was replying to your comment, m0r0n.
@@WOOD-BOOGER-lc4fl I'm being shadow banned, so you're a lucky l ser
@@borisnegrarosa9113 I really don't, think all are bad, it does take lot from a person to be able to climb a mountain like this even if many as example use it for glout.
all of the reasons why one would climb Everest no longer apply. it’s now the perfect metaphor for what humans are doing to our fragile sacred planet. it makes me ill seeing what it has become
Just curious-what type of percentage of money do the Sherpas get and do their families get any type of insurance if they pass away? And how is a money really distributed?
I’m not a climber, your videos are very informative, thank you
Please do not just give Nimsdai a platform. (Alleged) perpetrator are nearly always given a platform to speak about their "truth" and twist the event to make them less dramatic or to just gaslight/belittle their victims and sway the public opnion. If you do not have any experience on how to deal with cases involving sexual assualt get a moderator/expert who does. Perpetrator can be very manipulative and engaging and just kind that they can dictate how a conversation is going instead of you. Thats why it is important to have someone by your side to make sure you stay on track and who may be able to debunk some of the statements (e.g. say take yxz is actual gaslighting and not ok). You cannot just do something important like this, thats mainly affects women and just do not have their perspective involved. Also it would be very beneficial of you could get in contact with the women first to inform them what you have planned so they can prepare themselves mentally and maybe just speak TO them. Many people talk ABOUT the victim but not WITH the victim which is so dangerous. Please take care of this very sensitive matter and do not fall for any trap.
Thanks so much for your insight.
About six or seven years ago I produced and filmed a short documentary for a women's shelter (each year they do a fundraising event and this film was presented to the audience - the film was done gratis). It was very difficult to find individuals that were victims of abuse to talk about their lives. Those that did were amazing, brave and filled with gratitude and humility that they had a chance to talk about their experiences. Unfortunately, one of the abusers somehow learned about the film and became enraged. That film no longer resides anywhere for viewing.
All that said, my gut is that this individual would never accept the offer. However, your suggestions - should that offer ever be accepted - are absolutely on point. Thank you.
Thanks so much for your time and insight
I watched the Everest film yesterday about the 1996 disaster .I blame the mail man for the others losing their lives.An inexperienced climber insisting on reaching the summit at all costs .And then there was the guy with no legs who climbed the mountain ,again relying on other people to help him .if you're not physically in A 1 condition you should not be allowed to climb the mountain.
The government should charge more for permits and reduce the amount given. Its sadly become a tourist trap so people will be happy to pay rxtra
Oh…they have. It used to be under $1k. As of 2024 in was all the way at $11k per permit. Starting in 2025 it will be $15k PER PERMIT.
So only rich people can go?
They need to stop giving permits to people who have never climbed a big mountain. People who have no interest in climbing smaller mountains because the kudos isn't enough. They just want to brag.
@@em84cchina actually won’t give permits to people who “can’t claim.” Unlike Nepal. It’s a vicious cycle though. Nepal desperately counts on the money brought in from Mt Everest climbs, so while the government realize some things must be done, thus far they’ve proven they’re only willing to go “so far.”
@@miketausig4205 i heard China has made it even stricter and only giving permits to Chinese residents?
Nepal just wants to make as much as they can off the mountain, even if it gets trashed in the process.
@@em84c for 2024 you are correct. China has enough going for them they really don’t need to open their side to westerners…not for the money. They have plenty of residents who would clinb. Or I could see them opening it to Russians & North Koreans (who wouldn’t be allowed to) as well. They’re very strict about it. In fact, they were the first country to actually “clean the mountain” if you will. For the most part they clear the bodies away too.
Nepal makes a lot of money by having it open. Not just the $4-5M they make in permits but all the hotel business, food, vendors, and all the $$ spent JUST in Kathmandu by climbers. It’s sad, because if they were such a poor country they could really do something good. They could work to keep Everest clean and respectable, and still make good money. There is no shortage of wealthy people in the world who would pay loads more than they do, just to hang a picture of themselves on the summit in an office somewhere. Their Ministry of Tourism is a joke and sadly needs help. I’ve offered to move there and do the job for nothing more than room & board, and a small stipend, for 12-18 months.
Let’s not criticize people who choose to actually climb Everest in good style but not using supplemental oxygen. What makes Everest special is its elevation. Using supplemental oxygen artificially lowers the elevation. Thanks for the great content.
I’m no climber but to see all those people in a very dangerous situation is so stupid, plus nowhere to pass l am left shaking my head and yes everyone has to make money and they only have a short window to climb , with all the rubbish left behind at such amazing place is really sad😮
I'd say, they should make their money, some other way!!!?
They make it a rule, Sherpa will guide them up the summit, but not down😅😅😅
They need to do a lottery drawing for a cap on how many climbers get to get access to the mountain especially if overcrowding is the reason people are dying smh won't catch me signing up anytime in this lifetime
0:26 I think your title 2024 Season Recap is just perfect~! It is exactly the reason I chose this video~!! 0:32 "A point of no return?" hmmm.... I doubt that. 1:21 I'd love that scene as a picture on my wall ~ how very gorgeous~! 20:55 Why would 8 deaths, and as you say, fewer this year, lead to collapsing of companies doing the guiding? Or does Arnette mean lack of Sherpas willing to take the risks? 21:11 If Nepal already, doesn't enforce their rules, why would you think they would turn to weeding out the excessive profiteers who skimp on safety? Until the Nepal Gov't gets organizational condemnation, say from the UN or something, they're not likely to change. I imagine there is a certain amount of bribery and corruption involved too, given that it is their main source of income. Fantastic recap~!! Thank you. Good seeing you, godspeed.
Given how much Nepal depends on the income from all of these guiding groups I'n not sanguine that they'll make any meaningful changes. Thanks fro your thorough overview! I do find the allegations against Nims very disturbing . The NYT article suggests that Nims is not the only one--looks like the mountaineering world is moving into its #metoo moment.
Its sad what has happened to Everest, particularly in the last 20 years. Almost feel like what's the point in climbing it anymore? But then if you are an experienced climber (not just a well heeled tourist), this has to be the dream destination. How can you not climb it? Question for those in the know: is the Tibetan side "better"? Is it open to climbers now? Fewer climbers on mountain? thanks
If humans could possibly go at the deepest parts of the ocean, they'd fuck it up as well like they did the top of the world. What a shame.
You would think that Everest type people would be more conscientious. It really makes me sad that a place that should be treated with reverence is badly polluted now. It all will be gone before too long anyway. Melting away. Do you think it will be easier or harder to summit once her gown of ice and snow are gone? Any guess how far off that is?
Its the younger generations doing stuff in weird situations for social media.... watching live entertainment through their phones like at concerts, posing with dead grandma at the funeral home, doing flips on Everest, solving rubics cubes under water...... im a young GenX and i never wanted to do anything like this. Its people who grew up with the internet.
The Khumbu region is the most beautiful area. Overtourism for Everest "climbers" is a growing problem.
I go to the mountains to get away from people and I ensure that I leave only footprints.
The great chomolungma is the greatest mountain in the world she is showing that she wont be disrespected their is a price to pay for what happens on mountain.
Thousands of people have climbed that mountain and thousands more will climb it and leave their sh1t all over it. Have they got wi-fi installed on the peak yet?
You leave your shit where you are why does that make you better? You think no one should go to mountain deserts? Why are water resources allowed to house people in deserts in north america? What a damn waste of resources!@The_Reality_Filter
Honestly, it's still serious mountain. We shouldn't act shocked that there is a death-count of there are so many people climbing. At this environment things happen. And I'm pretty sure everybody is aware of the risks. And I don't want to day that we shouldn't learn from accidents. Only whatever you do there, a residual risk remains.
Thanks for your work, like it.
The season isn’t over, and there is so much happening already
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I understand the money issue is important to the community, but it’s killing the climbers and the mountain. I wonder if the number of permits be drastically reduced and even halted for a few years to allow clean up and the mountain to recover from decades of over use.
doing a backflip on top of that mountain is very disrespectful and very dangerous for everyone else, what a duesch!
Profit is the main goal of every company. That's why companies exist.
Who would ever think it was "easy" to climb? I mean, really,
There are so many comments that I've seen that suggest it's a piece of cake....which is pretty easy to say at sea level :)
Respect for Everest and its Sherpas 🙏🦋
So as a woman, you're not even safe from sexual harassment, when you climb to the top of Mount Everest?
For God's sake, I am so fed up, done and over with this !!!!
Yes, assault against women and girls has to stop! It's so disgusting.
No, we are not. In any Mountain. Either guides or teammates.
I have hunch that it's fabricated just to tarnished Nim's reputation...
Deliberately fabricated to tarnished Nims reputation
@@Vourn-75 doubt it, women don't accuse men of such acts, to tarnish some climbers reputation. There wouldn't be much point in doing that.
Thanks for the update. I don't trust on this article about Nims ... They want to ruin his business
I have recently watched some vids on Mt Everest concerning a young man that snowboarded down Mt Everest with documentation and witnesses.🤦♀ He came back a year later to try a different route, sadly he did not make it. I have a serious question is there not a way to get climbers down faster to 3 camp. Using pulley glide gizmo. Maybe not to camp 3 may to camp 4. I have never climbed, I don't think I could make it to base camp. I just started seeing vids for companies offering Base Camp Treks. It's kind of ingenious not taking crazy unqualified climbers to summit a helluva lot safer for all involved.
You’re thinking of Marco Siffredi. Funny, because I also just watched a video on him and now here I am reading and responding to your comment. His insistence on descending down a much more dangerous path is what did him in. To this day his body has never been found.
@@IAmPlaysWithSquirrel It's very sad, he did it. It was cemented in stone he was the first person to snowboard down Mt Everest. Why did he have to go back. He was so young just barely 21. Rip Marco🙏🙏🙏
Needs to be done in a safe and sustainable way.
Nims is well known in the climbing community for his advances with female clients. I know some very credible secondhand stories myself. This has been going on for a while now. Pleased the women have come forward.
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This must be so frustrating/enraging/traumatic/daunting/heartbreaking hearing the same issues reccuring or amplifying season to season, esp if you've had firsthand experience on The Mountain, or you're personally close to people/communities who are or aspire to be, or if you're active against any of the many ethical & material hazards generated by activities on Nepal's routes/camps (I don't know enough about the Tibet side to comment on theirs). Even commenters on this page who may never want to climb Her &/or oppose tourist-climbs (eg. me) but nevertheless have been watching Her for many seasons must feel this pain; I don't want to diminish their genuine attachments either.
I'm grateful for people with close experience covering + commenting on The Mountain + other high peaks for us, lending their perspectives, even when they disagree. It cannot be easy. Esp the "roundup" episodes that force everyone to confront the magnitude of it all.
I guess that's why there's always that kind advice at the end of EverestMystery.
W video. Shout out king gizzard btw!
KGATLW rules 🎸 ~ thank you for watching!
@8:08 Haha I love that you pointed that out!
: ) lol
I still wonder why people are trying to push high peaks without O2. I get Messner was old guard but theres a lot of parallels to be drawn to in the scuba diving world. It took about a decade for Trimix to really be adopted and then became mainstream. Deep dives on air died out for good reason and so should extreme ascents without 02.
It’s purely the most heavily involved mountaineers who follow this. The ones who want to make their mark on climbing, who feel that it is not enough to just climb a mountain, anymore. We’ve climbed all the biggest mountains, so now it’s about doing them all without O’s. It’s also been speed and without O’s. Next it will likely be traverses without Os. Outside that super imposed mountaineering and climbing community, nobody cares. Just purists and just the people wanting to leave their marks.
Its clear the cap per season needs lowering to reduce human impact. The government should also have a seasonal HQ at basecamp, to limit abuses and ensure everyone returns with a sack of waste etc, paid for by a higher levy for climbers and basecamp tourists which would help pay for locals to maintain and manage this environment also.
2025: Distillery on Everest. Buy beer brewed on top of the world.
Rest In Peace Dan
Such a very sad story.... Thanks for watching
Is Nims aware that the mountain is sacred and no hanky panky shall occur there? I recall reading that some ppl believe that the 1996 tragedy took place because of hook ups prior to summitting.
Go, Lenka! ❤SLOVAKIA.
People are pushing themselves to make the climb even more dangerous (for example climbing without oxygen) in order to be "the first to..." Perhaps because of the pictures of overcrowding at Everest there's a perception that with paid expeditions, "just" climbing Everest is no big deal. The number of deaths we still see each year means "just" climbing is still plenty dangerous without going out of your way to increase the chances of losing your life and endanger others.
I can’t fathom donating money to find the search for bodies as that’s part of the deal, you gotta pay to play. Some just pay more than others…
It just all looks wrong seeing 101 people on the highest mountains. Sense of greed and inpatients it gives off.
I want to be the first leperous albino dental assistant to play 3 rounds of Monopoly while eating Fritos on the summit. This has been my goal since about 3:28 yesterday afternoon.
I am so glad I climbed this mountain back in 89' before all the tourist on a rope crap started. You couldn't pay me to go up there now.
The mountain.. she's not happy 😢
The thing about what happens on Everest unless seen or recorded by witnesses, could still be true, specifically about the allegations towards Nims. If he did commit sexual harassment towards these women, the truth should come to surface.
Make Everest An Achievement Not A Tourist Selfie Again.
Couldn't agree more! 👍🏾
The sooner it ends ,the better. There should be a limit of 50 per year.
@@WoodstockG54 and charge those rich people equivalent to the amount raked in by the amount that goes up now.
Im always surpeised to see iflts you when I search for everest and its you 😊 I will binge your videos now ha ha
My only recommendation is to not put the subscribe bell while youre talking as wvery time ive had to back up to hesr what you say. Its a bit loud and abrupt. Better yet if you can turn it down or off..but thats just me.
Will be following you and arnett for all the good info :) you have a great narration voice :) ty
I'm so tired of seeing the back flipping poo dumping disrespect. Everest isn't just something to climb, it's a place of deep religious and mystical meaning, the mountain and the beliefs of it's native peoples deserve respect!
Quadruple the price & only allow a quarter of the traffic.
So that only the elite of elite can go? Better to test skill and training and only let those go that can pass certain tests and training. People would think twice if it cost them weeks before even going to base camp to prove they can stay alive. Time > money = people more serious about respecting the mountain and keeping themselves and others safer.
In Europe they have lifts that will take you part or all of the way up a mountain along with chateaus at intervals with overnight accomodations and hot food. At the very least Nepal should build a lift to get past the icefall and some accomodations at the South Col. At the South Col there could also be a nice shop at which you could buy or rent climbing gear, souvenirs etc. A movie theater for passing time on those bad weather days would also be appreciated. 😜
Excellent presentation.
fun fact
Kathmandu was named after the local practice of putting mens toupees on cats after the men passed away. its done to keep the memory of the men alive
The mountain doesn’t cash checks! It deals in a real life currency!
8 or 9 people dead or missing is a lot when you think of how many people that affects in terms of their families and their own lives cut short and i agree that if you could talk to them now theyd probably say they were misled and basically for profit, so its inexperienced people inundating that mountain to the point of putting everyone, even experienced people at risk, thats its crazy. I ve surfed my whole life so i can only compare to if some surf coach was taking inexperienced people out to the best craziest breaks in hawaii just for profit and essentially fatally risking their lives and putting the real surfers their in mortal danger too cause of their inexperience, it would be absolutely crazy. Fortunately for surfing the inexperienced people would be either killed or injured or freaked out after one set and leave quickly and hopefully through that one set wouldnt cause a fatal accident or something and the locals highly regulate the space and so usually this issue takes care of itself but unfortunately for everest, even a inexperienced person can get pretty far and even survive if theyre lucky, whereas in surfing they wont last very long , and there doesn't seem to be that local elrment that regulates the place , because the issues are exactly the same with surfing cause you gotta be best in the world and the space can not handle a lot of people and still be safe. Can you imagine if 8 people died surfing at the pipeline, the everest of surfspots, in hawaii because the inexperienced people were able to stay out there longer and completely wreak havoc and kill everybody and there was no regulation by anyone of whos allowed to surf there? Thatd be crazy.
Should be a law tha everyone goes there has to come back with at least 10 pounds of trash or garbage. Compulsory by law to everyone visits the mountains. If you dont bring garbage back $5 thousand dollars in the spot. No exceptions.
At 3:54 read the second rule enacted in 2014. The requirement is for every climber to bring down 8 kg (17.6 lb.) of trash.
@@frankblangeard8865 Yea it's a law and it's a requirement. And it's a $4,000 Euro deposit, when you come back down if you brought your garbage back you claim your deposit. But no one enforce that law. Nobody keeps track of the amount of equipment climbers take with them. They there's just for the money 💰. Specially the bigger tours companies.