I mean back in the day you wasnt running more than 3 anyways. I know kid, hard to understand with the speed of todays PC's and multicore CPU's. I remember getting my first multi core CPU and actually being able to run multiple things without worrying about the system getting bogged down as much.
@@silvy7394 yea you simply have no idea what your talking about. Even literally windows 1.0 ran more than 3 programs at once. And that has absolutely no relation to multi core. That is why we have schedulers ... It is more of a question of total performance vs the demand of the program. you can't run 3 games at once but that is not the point ... I even did that... Like running an antivirus, exel, a browser and a Musik Player is very much possible on a single core CPU. Programs also used to be designed a lot more efficiently not taking up so much unnecessary processing power in the background like they do now. Or even TeamSpeak, a game, music, anti virus. All totally normal ways to use a PC in the XP area. (If you had broadband Internet at least) It is not the same as today where you have like 30 background tasks just so the PC can blink in rainbow colors. But 3 tasks are a significant restriction just going back to XP. Like windows entire thing was multitasking... This is not dos but Windows XP. Also I just said it's funny not that it doesn't make sense...
@@silvy7394 Back in THOSE days, I ran several dozen at once. TODAY, though, I can't hardly open 5 without the system freezing up because of all of the bloat-ware the company puts on them now.
@@Nadi-Ger It was due to a ruling in the XP days by the EU that Microsoft was monopolising Media Players by including Windows Media Player and its codecs by default.
Let's add a pointless feature to make windows 'prettier' despite much of the hardware not being powerful enough to do it. It's like they took the first half of Apple's playbook, but ignored the second half. A truly idiotic choice by MS.
In the UK we used to buy US Windows SKUs as they were sold for $100 while locally we would pay £100. Quite a savings when considering the exchange rate. Companies will have you pay what they think they can get you to pay, that simple... 😕
I bought Vista NON-starter in a developing country, figuring at US$20 it was worth the risk. But even at that price I should saved my money. "Three applications" included stuff like Task Manager, File Explorer, and even Control Panel, and would NOT run different applications within a suite at the same time (e.g. Open Office word processing and spreadsheet). It was only useful as a single app machine.
I remember running Windows Visa without Aero, it was a surprisingly positive experience even on hardware that technically wasn't able to meet the Vista installation requirements.
Some people straight up didn't want that. They wanted the fancy graphics, complained it was too slow when they were activated (because their computers were pretty bad, aka most computers), went back to XP, and never looked back (or I guess I could say "never looked ahead" in this case). And yeah, I actually used Vista for 3 years, and had so much enjoyment out of it.
@@resolvanlemmy I've been saying this for years. Vista wasn't that bad (7, one of the most popular OSs in the world was basically a modified version of Vista based on consumer demands), it just came at a bad timing. Most computers back then, even new ones if they were on the cheaper side, weren't nearly as capable of running it properly. They were still made with Xp in mind.
The Home Basic version looked good too and you could still customize it like the normal aero. On all the other versions you either had to choose between Aero or the "basic" theme which had those ugly blue title bars
Mexican here. Back in 2010 I got my first "modern" computer (so fas I only had access to 90's computers): a Toshiba Satellite netbook. In concrete it was the T215D model, which had an AMD Phenom II CPU with just one core at 1.7GHz, 2GB of RAM and 140GB of hard disk, and of course, Windows 7 Home Basic. You know, Riley underestimates how limited was that thing: you could not even change the Wallpaper. But I was a teenager in search of using it's computer to it's full potential, so I started to look how to circumvent those limitations, who lead me into getting a hack to upgrade it to home premium. Eventually in that laptop I started to learn my way into computers, which 12 years later led me to now me getting my masters degree in sciences and technologies of information.
You got that a bit wrong. Microsoft would rather have you use an unlicensed Windows then not having you on their leash at all. They know that their market share and semi monopoly is more valuable then a few more license sales to poor people.
@@bepbep7418maybe Hardware the IBM owns but not any kind of operating system that IBM may have created and the vast majority of servers on this planet do not run on Windows they run on Linux and that's been a fact for multiple decades if not since the birth of Linux
Microsoft needs to release a "Windows Gaming" version. Just pure speed. Light footprint, no printer support, no aero, no themes, no bloat, no junk, no B.S. $49.95.
Except for poor to no printer support, that doesn't really fit to anything MS ever did. Although I have to wonder what themes you mean. It's more that they're actively trying to stop you from theming windows.
I always watch it just to see their delivery (often with jokes) and on the off chance I'm actually interested. It also supports them as they can say "x number of viewers actually watch the sponsor message" to potential sponsors.
I ran Windows 2000 for the longest time because my dad somehow never got XP to update despite running a licensed install of it. The first time I had a system of my own with a newer edition after that, it was a self built rig running windows 8 in 2014.
Funny that Windows is an expensive piece of software, yet contains extensive user data collection measures and ads but people complain about Apple’s computers being expensive.
@@daniel_lucio I fixed a netbook for a friend I couldn't get my hands on starter so I installed a custom version of win 7 ultimate 32 bit I made and managed to upgrade the NetBook to 3Gb of RAM
if you by a prepaid setup it comes inclided in the cost. if you update from older windows yes free at times. if you built pc it needs windows then needs to activate unless you like the waterworks. if you pirate and run windows update/ a browser guess what ip leak, geolocation leak, etc.
@@boinesnope you can unlovk windows 10 using reg edit amd blocking access updates to internet til you edit the regedit and once that is done you can also go to pc's at stores and look at the back of the pc to get thw windows key since thwy have to be put on the back of pre built pcs
It's very ridiculous that Microsoft kept the same requirements between 7 and 10. 10 is a hungry yet reliable beast while 7&8 are as easy to run as light weight Linux distros.
My dad had one of those window vista basic laptops. he didn't even do much with it but eventually it would only start up in safe mode and it was slow. Eventually I "downgraded" to Windows XP and it worked very well.
I had a Windows 7 Home Basic laptop. It was designed for 32 bit architecture (despite the 64-bit processor) and was such an _extremely_ stripped down version, it wouldn't even allow changing the default wallpaper. Despite all this, it was excruciatingly slow, even back then (over 12 years ago). As it became pretty much unusable, as time went on, I made the switch to Linux (Linux Lite). Best decision I could've made, it now works like a charm. Moral of the story: current lightweight Linux distros are better and lighter than decade old "minimal" versions of Windows.
Our first PC back in 2007 came with Vista Starter, it couldn't run Windows Movie maker and anything to do with a capable GPU, the IGPU was an S3 Graphics unichrome IGP with 64MB of shared memory from the 512MB RAM , it was originally 32MB from factory, all the drivers were incompatible with Vista, the CPU got 3.9 on windows Experience index it was a Celeron D, RAM got 2.0 and the weak GPU got 1.9, Windows said that it didn't support Dx9, GTA Vice City will cause BSOD, and I did like Vista GUI........two years down the line I installed XP Pro and could play San Andreas! At one point I upgraded it to 1GB and it was marvelous.... until the Chinese capacitors leaked and then it died. I actually shed some tears when it did.
Ahh, Windows Starter, aka the Windows version your grandma's new laptop came with that you had to immediately replace with a proper Windows version because she couldn't even change her desktop background and that was super important to her for some reason. Thanks Microsoft!
Lee Grant, Tim Danton and Jon Honeyball - there are three names I've not heard for a long time. I subscribed to PC Pro for like 10 years from about 1999.
There were home basic editions of vista and 7 for developing countries. This is stripped of version of home premium edition such as limited ram support and removed transparency.
For the record, my first build was an xp system in 2001 and that screen resolution was perfectly mid range, and the ram limitations were 4x higher than my "mega build" had. 256gb was enough for video rendering, flash development and programming, audio production, graphic design, torrenting, and gaming for several years after xp launched. That said, free xp serial codes were also really easy to find since phoning home wasn't the standard for an OS back then lol
Ignore Riley in this video. When he was saying limitation involving Vista he meant minimum in which to run it and it's still raining like crap even with that minimum amount of RAM
This would be a good tablet for my friend. She lives in a country where the power is shut off a lot so she uses her drawing tablet with a laptop to finish comms and whatever.
I loved my netbook back then and my use case was completely different. I used it for software development running Windows 7 Pro, IIS and SQL Server locally!
My HP Netbook came with Windows 7 Starter. I upgraded to & Pro almost immediately. 2GB of RAM made the computer usable. I was able to play Unreal Tournament 2004 on it.
Fact check: Microsoft definitely was NOT concerned about linux becoming the dominant OS in those parts of the world if they didnt come out with Win XP starter. We're talking about an OS that could barely open text docs in 2005 and basically nobody knew about or wanted to use, here.
I think most people that want a copy of Windows get an OEM copy. Either with a computer or they buy whatever hardware it takes for the store to let you add the OEM copy to the shopping cart.
You know Windows XP starter is being 2 decade old Operating system and the XP (normal) is almost 23 years old and Windows XP including the starter was so nostalgic. I mean it had limited functionality, but it is an optimized version of XP to be honest.
There was also a Win2K and Windows 98 student versions. They were cheap, fully functional, and came with some pretty decent features for coding. Long dead now, but VERY popular in 1999.
Was it Win7 x64? It depends on the architecture. Win7 x86 is usually quick but x64 can be awfully slow. Win10 x64 uses multiple cores/threads much efficiently. I still use an i7-720qm machine and it was significantly better with 10 (and significantly better with any Linux).
It really depends on how old the device is, and Windows 10 and above deals way better with drivers. With Windows 7, you mostly have to install a lot of drivers manually, which, if you don't, can get shlt to not work properly.
Did you know? In the EU it is legal to sell and buy used software, incl. the OS. Microsoft and others tried to make this illegal, but failed. There even used to be (and still are) businesses that only sell used Windows OS, obtained mainly from dissolved companies.
They probably just realized it was more difficult to run the growing amount of data collection operations on the weaker software structure, so they did away with it instead of sacrificing part of their money train.
I had an HP mini 210 that had Windows 7 Starter Edition. Honestly, it still worked for everything I needed. But then Windows 10 came around and somehow, the Mini still met the bare minimum requirements to upgrade, so I did....and it pretty much became unusuable. Now I'm still on the search for a relatively recent version of Linux to run on it since it's a 32bit system and that's not supported anymore.
The first time I used Windows 7, it was the Starter version on a netbook in 2010. I hated it and I thought it was a real version of Windows 7. I despised Windows 7 for years after that.
I bought a pretty decent laptop with win7 starter back in 2011, absolutely unusable other than bundled drivers, ate just as much ram as Pro i got from uni's Dreamspark subscription. That hardware ran windows 10 with flying colours and only shipped with Starter to save me a bit of price, since no-OS sales weren't a thing then.
I'm sorry, the problem with Vista wasn't the performance, the problem with Vista was it was a buggy, crashy nightmare. If you want really bad performance, have a look at Win11 and it's window management, it's like going back 20 years, stutters, failed movements, it's horrific.
Tbh I dont know why anyone needs to buy a license to begin with. And no, im not talking about "activators". I had the same license since 2009 or something since I could upgrade to Windows 10 with it and now even Windows 11. Round about 100 bucks for a license that so far works for almost 15 years. Wouldnt wonder me if Microsoft will use a subscription concept in future Windows versions. Like 10-20 bucks a year or whatever. I mean they tried to convince people to upgrade and leave their old OS systems behind with that free upgrade thing but I do not think its that profitable? At least Windows aimed at private consumers I mean. Think Enterprises work different anyway and cant just upgrade.
I bought one of those netbooks as they were being run out, I added some more memory, but Windows didn't want to know about it - kind of urging me to ditch Windows - brilliant move Microsoft.
Cheap version? Lol I've never paid for Windows, and I never will. Any version. Microsoft has enough money, and all my units run just fine. I run Win 7, 8.1, 10 and 11.
One of the downsides to building your own PC is having to pay full price for a Windows license. I believe the current cost of buying a Windows 11 Home license from Microsoft is $139. Of course, you don't NEED to buy a license from Microsoft. Windows runs fine without being activated; you just get annoying pop-up reminders and can't personalize the background. Or you can take a walk to the eBay gray market. You can find people selling Windows licenses for less than $20. At least, (I heard) that was true the last time I built a PC (4 years ago). The prices might be higher now. Whatever the cost (I've heard), Windows activated with a gray market license works fine. Not that I would ever (admit) doing something that shady (multiple times). I used to work with the attorney wife of a sports radio shock jock. She told me that her husband had bragged on air that it wasn't necessary to pay for satellite television. All you need to do is buy one of "those boxes" online. At least one and maybe both of the satellite TV companies decided to sue him. She was seriously pissed that she was going to have to defend that suit if she wanted to protect their house.
No you don't have to pay full price for Windows license or even partial price for it. You have and have had for arguably 8 plus years the option to take baby steps towards switching to Linux. Save for whatever Microsoft redhead owns, Linux is still and has been free of required monetary costs for decades and that's any version of Linux
I remember starting to install Windows 7 32bit on my netbook. Wasn't even halfway thru the process when a popup from Microsoft said it qualifies for free upgrade to Windows 10 32bit. Never installed a key for 7 either. Go figure... And it ran like doggy poo too! Switched back to 7.😂
The time you can no longer install windows with a local offline account the traditional Microsoft versions are dead, and the community that does not switch to Linux would start using some sort of modified community edition. Microsoft, you are killing your own product with greed
No it's not guys like Jay from Jayztwocents and many other PC tech RUclips Enthusiast have shown you how to get around that even in Windows 11. Now let me make this clear I'm not advocating for anyone to install that absolute Abomination want to be of an operating system. I left when turd to wrote easily over 4 years ago as of officially July 28th 2020 in favor of Linux Mint cinnamon and I could not be happier. I don't have to worry about such nonsense anymore But regardless it's not rocket science all you got to do is just ensure that your internet connection one way or another is severed be it physical connection meaning unplug the ethernet Lan cable from the back of your computer or even power off the wireless physical as well router or even the internet moving myself before you launch the Windows installation when process. Then you will be given an option if you look closely enough for an offline account or something that talks about you selecting that you don't have internet. Then you can always reconnect your internet after you're done
I have been in the Microsoft OS world. (DOS, Windows..) since 1984, But with I CAN see a world where Linux will win, Android alone make this a "thing".
Nowadays you can just install Windows 10/11 and never register it, and it will just work. Some limitations, like not being able to customize the color theme and background, but whatever.
yes both you can enjoy your spyware for free of required monetary costs but what you keep forgetting is that Microsoft is making money off you hand over fist via keyloggers and selling your data to third-party companies without your consent and without giving you a single penny of the profits as well as little by little gimping the operating system experience taking away control you once had over what is supposed to be your computer Or you can wake up and realize to stop doing the same things you've always done and expecting different results and make baby steps strides towards switching to Linux. Doing so would mean you would never have to worry about dealing with a pirate or cracked version of an operating system ever again nor any product or license Keys nor any other Fourth Amendment rights disrespecting nonsense
Windows is made deliberatly easy to pirate because their market share is more important than anything else, the only people who absolutely have to pay for windows are system builders to anybody else its effectively free already
The main issues were that it was very late in being released and due to changes to the architecture a lot of devices had bad drivers. So, if you got a copy near launch it could be incredibly unstable with a lot of UAC warnings. However, if you upgraded later, it wasn't much of an issue as most of that had been sorted out.
you can only run 3 programs at once is such a funny restriction. XD
I mean back in the day you wasnt running more than 3 anyways. I know kid, hard to understand with the speed of todays PC's and multicore CPU's.
I remember getting my first multi core CPU and actually being able to run multiple things without worrying about the system getting bogged down as much.
@@silvy7394 yea you simply have no idea what your talking about. Even literally windows 1.0 ran more than 3 programs at once. And that has absolutely no relation to multi core. That is why we have schedulers ... It is more of a question of total performance vs the demand of the program. you can't run 3 games at once but that is not the point ...
I even did that... Like running an antivirus, exel, a browser and a Musik Player is very much possible on a single core CPU.
Programs also used to be designed a lot more efficiently not taking up so much unnecessary processing power in the background like they do now. Or even TeamSpeak, a game, music, anti virus.
All totally normal ways to use a PC in the XP area. (If you had broadband Internet at least)
It is not the same as today where you have like 30 background tasks just so the PC can blink in rainbow colors. But 3 tasks are a significant restriction just going back to XP.
Like windows entire thing was multitasking... This is not dos but Windows XP.
Also I just said it's funny not that it doesn't make sense...
@@silvy7394 Back in THOSE days, I ran several dozen at once. TODAY, though, I can't hardly open 5 without the system freezing up because of all of the bloat-ware the company puts on them now.
Before Hyperthreading you could only run ONE program at a time. 😂 You have no idea how hard PCs used to be to work with.
@@bepbep7418 😂😂😂😂😂
Don't forget the Windows N version... It was lacking the Media codecs and software. Absolut nightmare figuring that out.
iirc, those were for specific markets where the codexes in ms media player weren't free or something like that.
@@Nadi-Ger It was due to a ruling in the XP days by the EU that Microsoft was monopolising Media Players by including Windows Media Player and its codecs by default.
You could just install a media codec pack and restore the features… Classic Microsoft!
thank the EU
Ah yes, Windows "Nothing" version
Minor point of clarification for people using closed captions... it's Aero, not Arrow. Basically it's the glass effect on the windows.
Cool.
Let's add a pointless feature to make windows 'prettier' despite much of the hardware not being powerful enough to do it. It's like they took the first half of Apple's playbook, but ignored the second half. A truly idiotic choice by MS.
@@repatch43 it was the best feature on windows what you on
loool got to love closed captioning!
@@repatch43aero was actually amazing
I installed so many XP's back in the day that I memorized the serial number.
THMPV?
@@evilpapagali FCKGW
@@demballage99 RHQQ2
I still have my Original disk :D
I used to reinstall windows every 4-6 months. It used to make a big difference in loading games
In the UK we used to buy US Windows SKUs as they were sold for $100 while locally we would pay £100. Quite a savings when considering the exchange rate. Companies will have you pay what they think they can get you to pay, that simple... 😕
I miss the days of a quid being worth around 2 dollars
@@HootMaRoot yeh, the import market was wild...
I bought Vista NON-starter in a developing country, figuring at US$20 it was worth the risk. But even at that price I should saved my money. "Three applications" included stuff like Task Manager, File Explorer, and even Control Panel, and would NOT run different applications within a suite at the same time (e.g. Open Office word processing and spreadsheet). It was only useful as a single app machine.
I remember running Windows Visa without Aero, it was a surprisingly positive experience even on hardware that technically wasn't able to meet the Vista installation requirements.
Some people straight up didn't want that. They wanted the fancy graphics, complained it was too slow when they were activated (because their computers were pretty bad, aka most computers), went back to XP, and never looked back (or I guess I could say "never looked ahead" in this case).
And yeah, I actually used Vista for 3 years, and had so much enjoyment out of it.
@@resolvanlemmy I've been saying this for years. Vista wasn't that bad (7, one of the most popular OSs in the world was basically a modified version of Vista based on consumer demands), it just came at a bad timing. Most computers back then, even new ones if they were on the cheaper side, weren't nearly as capable of running it properly. They were still made with Xp in mind.
@@spineshivers this is why Vista failed really.
The Home Basic version looked good too and you could still customize it like the normal aero. On all the other versions you either had to choose between Aero or the "basic" theme which had those ugly blue title bars
The Windows Basic theme looked very ugly to be honest.
Mexican here. Back in 2010 I got my first "modern" computer (so fas I only had access to 90's computers): a Toshiba Satellite netbook. In concrete it was the T215D model, which had an AMD Phenom II CPU with just one core at 1.7GHz, 2GB of RAM and 140GB of hard disk, and of course, Windows 7 Home Basic. You know, Riley underestimates how limited was that thing: you could not even change the Wallpaper. But I was a teenager in search of using it's computer to it's full potential, so I started to look how to circumvent those limitations, who lead me into getting a hack to upgrade it to home premium. Eventually in that laptop I started to learn my way into computers, which 12 years later led me to now me getting my masters degree in sciences and technologies of information.
😂 Typical story. Microsoft never understood its customers. Good for you!
Glad you found your passion!
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Thanks for the most underwhelming meh story OAT!
@@high-captain-BaLrog Congratulations for being the first snowflake of the season!
And today some pay 50$ for their wallpaper
💀😂
That’s me 😂😅😕🙁😓😣😖😫😢😭
Wtf... Maybe these people should start to pay 41% in tax like in some nations so the money can be spend on something better. 😂😂
every year
he is never gonna live that down is he?
The netbook didn't really die or disappear though. Just Windows ones did, Google released the Chromebook and that took over the netbook space.
You got that a bit wrong. Microsoft would rather have you use an unlicensed Windows then not having you on their leash at all. They know that their market share and semi monopoly is more valuable then a few more license sales to poor people.
Retail maybe, but a good 85% of commercial PCs run off IBM, not Windows. 😂
This actually has made it a lot more difficult to learn new programs, due to them being cloud-based and expensive.
@@bepbep7418maybe Hardware the IBM owns but not any kind of operating system that IBM may have created and the vast majority of servers on this planet do not run on Windows they run on Linux and that's been a fact for multiple decades if not since the birth of Linux
@@bepbep7418That's just false
@@bepbep7418 I'm pretty sure IBM tried making an OS and it flopped. Nowadays IBM is going to outsource their OSes rather than create their own.
Microsoft needs to release a "Windows Gaming" version. Just pure speed. Light footprint, no printer support, no aero, no themes, no bloat, no junk, no B.S. $49.95.
Except for poor to no printer support, that doesn't really fit to anything MS ever did.
Although I have to wonder what themes you mean. It's more that they're actively trying to stop you from theming windows.
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I always watch it just to see their delivery (often with jokes) and on the off chance I'm actually interested.
It also supports them as they can say "x number of viewers actually watch the sponsor message" to potential sponsors.
Don't forget about Windows 10 S, which I used to think stood for "Store" or "Streamlined", but now realize probably stood for "Starter"
no it it is s for "Safe"
@@xgui4-studios Yeah, afaik it will only let you install MS Store apps
and it can be switched to normal home for free. you cant switch back though.
I thought it was for student
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I ran Windows 2000 for the longest time because my dad somehow never got XP to update despite running a licensed install of it.
The first time I had a system of my own with a newer edition after that, it was a self built rig running windows 8 in 2014.
Funny that Windows is an expensive piece of software, yet contains extensive user data collection measures and ads but people complain about Apple’s computers being expensive.
Even if Apple’s windows counterparts are not cheaper and even more expensive when you same type of hardware, chassis, sound etc
@@Vlmikhailov667what?
I paid 30 bucks for Windows 8 back in the day. Never had to spend a dime again for Windows thanks to free upgrades. Not all is bleak and bad.
I paid 0 bucks for windows throughout the years. Which is great. No regrets
Upgraded about 3/400 machines from pirated versions of 7 to fully licensed 10 machines. The owners were happy and Microsoft got control back.
@lowgoingman I got a student product key for windows 7 professional in 2013. Still use that key to this day
Right, I think only Businesses pay for windows.
You can still use those old keys with windows 10 and 11 of the same version.
Putting UPPER limits on hardware is blatantly anti-consumer.
4:54 It was never about power, it was about price
Windows 7 starter was on little netbooks (the tiny laptops) over here in France
Same in Brazil. Still have mine in my collection.
@@daniel_lucio I fixed a netbook for a friend I couldn't get my hands on starter so I installed a custom version of win 7 ultimate 32 bit I made and managed to upgrade the NetBook to 3Gb of RAM
Wait Windows is paid?
Some pay a lot
@@lussor1 Upwards of 100$
I always buy the keys from the site on guru3d. Never had a problem with them.
if you by a prepaid setup it comes inclided in the cost. if you update from older windows yes free at times. if you built pc it needs windows then needs to activate unless you like the waterworks. if you pirate and run windows update/ a browser guess what ip leak, geolocation leak, etc.
@@boinesnope you can unlovk windows 10 using reg edit amd blocking access updates to internet til you edit the regedit and once that is done you can also go to pc's at stores and look at the back of the pc to get thw windows key since thwy have to be put on the back of pre built pcs
It's very ridiculous that Microsoft kept the same requirements between 7 and 10. 10 is a hungry yet reliable beast while 7&8 are as easy to run as light weight Linux distros.
My dad had one of those window vista basic laptops. he didn't even do much with it but eventually it would only start up in safe mode and it was slow. Eventually I "downgraded" to Windows XP and it worked very well.
I had a Windows 7 Home Basic laptop. It was designed for 32 bit architecture (despite the 64-bit processor) and was such an _extremely_ stripped down version, it wouldn't even allow changing the default wallpaper. Despite all this, it was excruciatingly slow, even back then (over 12 years ago). As it became pretty much unusable, as time went on, I made the switch to Linux (Linux Lite). Best decision I could've made, it now works like a charm.
Moral of the story: current lightweight Linux distros are better and lighter than decade old "minimal" versions of Windows.
Our first PC back in 2007 came with Vista Starter, it couldn't run Windows Movie maker and anything to do with a capable GPU, the IGPU was an S3 Graphics unichrome IGP with 64MB of shared memory from the 512MB RAM , it was originally 32MB from factory, all the drivers were incompatible with Vista, the CPU got 3.9 on windows Experience index it was a Celeron D, RAM got 2.0 and the weak GPU got 1.9, Windows said that it didn't support Dx9, GTA Vice City will cause BSOD, and I did like Vista GUI........two years down the line I installed XP Pro and could play San Andreas! At one point I upgraded it to 1GB and it was marvelous.... until the Chinese capacitors leaked and then it died. I actually shed some tears when it did.
Many of the internet cafes here in the Philippines are still using Windows 7.
why give cheap when expensive will do
not everyone has sold their kidney for money
Imagine paying for windows
it id illégal to use Windows for free , so compagny or orther public place it is not uncommon to paid for Windows@@lussor1
@@lussor1keeeeeeek pirateGODs keep winning
@@My_Old_YT_Account doebeit its free and i dont care about the watermark (poorcel mindset)
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There's a interview of Bill Gates saying that he'd prefer people use pirated version of Windows, than not use Windows at all.
As I've been a subscriber to PC Pro for 25+ years, I recognise the names Tim Danton & Jon Honeyball.
I’ve never paid for windows in the past 10 years, I just run my windows brute force activation script that I made when I was 12, and i’m good to go.
Ahh, Windows Starter, aka the Windows version your grandma's new laptop came with that you had to immediately replace with a proper Windows version because she couldn't even change her desktop background and that was super important to her for some reason. Thanks Microsoft!
Lee Grant, Tim Danton and Jon Honeyball - there are three names I've not heard for a long time. I subscribed to PC Pro for like 10 years from about 1999.
There were home basic editions of vista and 7 for developing countries. This is stripped of version of home premium edition such as limited ram support and removed transparency.
For the record, my first build was an xp system in 2001 and that screen resolution was perfectly mid range, and the ram limitations were 4x higher than my "mega build" had. 256gb was enough for video rendering, flash development and programming, audio production, graphic design, torrenting, and gaming for several years after xp launched.
That said, free xp serial codes were also really easy to find since phoning home wasn't the standard for an OS back then lol
Ignore Riley in this video. When he was saying limitation involving Vista he meant minimum in which to run it and it's still raining like crap even with that minimum amount of RAM
In Eastern Europe, NO personal user spent moneybon windows, everyone pirated it
This would be a good tablet for my friend. She lives in a country where the power is shut off a lot so she uses her drawing tablet with a laptop to finish comms and whatever.
Now you can buy a key for 5$ online
there's rumors that you can even get it for 0$ :OO
@@croozerdogin that case it does not come in key form...
Buy ?? *Laughs in KMS*
@@Anon20855 took me a while to realize you meant that kms
*cries in unsupported currency*
3:23 Those old Best Buy flyers take me back.
I loved my netbook back then and my use case was completely different. I used it for software development running Windows 7 Pro, IIS and SQL Server locally!
My HP Netbook came with Windows 7 Starter. I upgraded to & Pro almost immediately. 2GB of RAM made the computer usable. I was able to play Unreal Tournament 2004 on it.
Fact check: Microsoft definitely was NOT concerned about linux becoming the dominant OS in those parts of the world if they didnt come out with Win XP starter. We're talking about an OS that could barely open text docs in 2005 and basically nobody knew about or wanted to use, here.
You can get cheaper copies of Windows (legit) if you know where to look!
Where
@@notoriousglez8180 CDkeys is one site and Ebay has 1 time uses keys for like $4. Check the seller reviews though!
I think most people that want a copy of Windows get an OEM copy. Either with a computer or they buy whatever hardware it takes for the store to let you add the OEM copy to the shopping cart.
You know Windows XP starter is being 2 decade old Operating system and the XP (normal) is almost 23 years old and Windows XP including the starter was so nostalgic. I mean it had limited functionality, but it is an optimized version of XP to be honest.
I still have my trusty pirated copy of xp and windows 7 with a product key. Lol
There was also a Win2K and Windows 98 student versions. They were cheap, fully functional, and came with some pretty decent features for coding. Long dead now, but VERY popular in 1999.
Windows 10 seems to be a little bit faster than Windows 7 surprisingly for my mum's old computer.
Was it Win7 x64?
It depends on the architecture. Win7 x86 is usually quick but x64 can be awfully slow. Win10 x64 uses multiple cores/threads much efficiently.
I still use an i7-720qm machine and it was significantly better with 10 (and significantly better with any Linux).
@@nevermorefour I think it's 64 bit
It really depends on how old the device is, and Windows 10 and above deals way better with drivers. With Windows 7, you mostly have to install a lot of drivers manually, which, if you don't, can get shlt to not work properly.
When they started voting with the newer computers (2nd generation) in my country (Belgium) they also used a netbook for the chairman.
Did you know? In the EU it is legal to sell and buy used software, incl. the OS. Microsoft and others tried to make this illegal, but failed. There even used to be (and still are) businesses that only sell used Windows OS, obtained mainly from dissolved companies.
Thank God Kinguin got our backs. I paid for Windows 10 OS for 30 bucks a couple of years back
My Windows 10 key was $4 lol
my windows 10 key was $0 (somehow have an OEM activated iso)
They probably just realized it was more difficult to run the growing amount of data collection operations on the weaker software structure, so they did away with it instead of sacrificing part of their money train.
Microsoft secretly afraid of Linux because they know it's just better
0:36 Don't forget that it was also launched in Brazil.
I remember getting Home Basic specifically because it disabled all those effects and ran much better as a result, not because it was cheaper.
3:42
-How many headphone jacks do you want?
-Yes.
I think those are multimedia keys
It's safer to have a burned CDs with Windows 7 than buying from the source... Trust me bro, I used them for decades now
Don't forget the OEM version.
There were also Single Language editions.
I had an HP mini 210 that had Windows 7 Starter Edition. Honestly, it still worked for everything I needed. But then Windows 10 came around and somehow, the Mini still met the bare minimum requirements to upgrade, so I did....and it pretty much became unusuable.
Now I'm still on the search for a relatively recent version of Linux to run on it since it's a 32bit system and that's not supported anymore.
0:35 oh wow i never saw fili church from up above i thought that's an ai image
The first time I used Windows 7, it was the Starter version on a netbook in 2010. I hated it and I thought it was a real version of Windows 7. I despised Windows 7 for years after that.
Low Priced Windows Starter Versions really caused me much boring.
I wish WinXP Starter was in the US. It would have helped the US market using HP (and other systems) using Intel Celeron.
Damnit! I can’t skip ads when it is Riley or James! 😂
I bought a pretty decent laptop with win7 starter back in 2011, absolutely unusable other than bundled drivers, ate just as much ram as Pro i got from uni's Dreamspark subscription. That hardware ran windows 10 with flying colours and only shipped with Starter to save me a bit of price, since no-OS sales weren't a thing then.
Is that a little baby Linus you quickly passed by in that video?
Romanian getting Windows in 2004 be like: Hey! Do you have that torret with Windows?
I'm sorry, the problem with Vista wasn't the performance, the problem with Vista was it was a buggy, crashy nightmare.
If you want really bad performance, have a look at Win11 and it's window management, it's like going back 20 years, stutters, failed movements, it's horrific.
Windows 8.1 with Bing and Windows 10 in S Mode carried on the budget version, just with less restrictions.
Tbh I dont know why anyone needs to buy a license to begin with. And no, im not talking about "activators". I had the same license since 2009 or something since I could upgrade to Windows 10 with it and now even Windows 11. Round about 100 bucks for a license that so far works for almost 15 years. Wouldnt wonder me if Microsoft will use a subscription concept in future Windows versions. Like 10-20 bucks a year or whatever. I mean they tried to convince people to upgrade and leave their old OS systems behind with that free upgrade thing but I do not think its that profitable? At least Windows aimed at private consumers I mean. Think Enterprises work different anyway and cant just upgrade.
I used to want one. Then, when I started having the money for it, I couldn't get one anymore.
Please cover Netbooks, thank you!
I bought one of those netbooks as they were being run out, I added some more memory, but Windows didn't want to know about it - kind of urging me to ditch Windows - brilliant move Microsoft.
Cheap version? Lol I've never paid for Windows, and I never will. Any version. Microsoft has enough money, and all my units run just fine. I run Win 7, 8.1, 10 and 11.
Dear grave :)
Nowdays you can use Windows forever without activating. Just like a worse WinRAR because Windows block some personalization options.
One of the downsides to building your own PC is having to pay full price for a Windows license. I believe the current cost of buying a Windows 11 Home license from Microsoft is $139. Of course, you don't NEED to buy a license from Microsoft. Windows runs fine without being activated; you just get annoying pop-up reminders and can't personalize the background. Or you can take a walk to the eBay gray market. You can find people selling Windows licenses for less than $20. At least, (I heard) that was true the last time I built a PC (4 years ago). The prices might be higher now. Whatever the cost (I've heard), Windows activated with a gray market license works fine. Not that I would ever (admit) doing something that shady (multiple times).
I used to work with the attorney wife of a sports radio shock jock. She told me that her husband had bragged on air that it wasn't necessary to pay for satellite television. All you need to do is buy one of "those boxes" online. At least one and maybe both of the satellite TV companies decided to sue him. She was seriously pissed that she was going to have to defend that suit if she wanted to protect their house.
No you don't have to pay full price for Windows license or even partial price for it. You have and have had for arguably 8 plus years the option to take baby steps towards switching to Linux. Save for whatever Microsoft redhead owns, Linux is still and has been free of required monetary costs for decades and that's any version of Linux
I remember starting to install Windows 7 32bit on my netbook. Wasn't even halfway thru the process when a popup from Microsoft said it qualifies for free upgrade to Windows 10 32bit. Never installed a key for 7 either. Go figure...
And it ran like doggy poo too!
Switched back to 7.😂
I honestly miss the netbook formfactor sometimes
hey idk if anyone will *ever* read this but the add transition was very well made
Ran windows vista ultimate on an '8 core' AMD cpu right after it came out with no issues. I was running a lower mid-range AMD gpu at the time.
Its because they just let you use unactivated windows with little consequences nowadays which means no need for a basic edition
Thanks for the video!
Don't forget about AMD Sempron!
I remember having a netbook with Vista Starter in ~2008. And yes, Vista on a netbook is as bad as it sounds
I just purchased a netbook with an N100 processor in it. Runs Windows 11 just fine.
Biden, is that you liar?. Who are you trying to fool here😂
windows xp starter edition was have a feature that windows 7 starter wasn't have it like: you can change a wallpaper!
There are still retailers in india that sell genuine retail windows 10 for 600₹ (7 USD) and windows 11 for 700₹ (8 USD)
I feel like the Chromebook is what killed off the Netbooks
The time you can no longer install windows with a local offline account the traditional Microsoft versions are dead, and the community that does not switch to Linux would start using some sort of modified community edition.
Microsoft, you are killing your own product with greed
No it's not guys like Jay from Jayztwocents and many other PC tech RUclips Enthusiast have shown you how to get around that even in Windows 11. Now let me make this clear I'm not advocating for anyone to install that absolute Abomination want to be of an operating system. I left when turd to wrote easily over 4 years ago as of officially July 28th 2020 in favor of Linux Mint cinnamon and I could not be happier. I don't have to worry about such nonsense anymore
But regardless it's not rocket science all you got to do is just ensure that your internet connection one way or another is severed be it physical connection meaning unplug the ethernet Lan cable from the back of your computer or even power off the wireless physical as well router or even the internet moving myself before you launch the Windows installation when process. Then you will be given an option if you look closely enough for an offline account or something that talks about you selecting that you don't have internet. Then you can always reconnect your internet after you're done
Love LMG channels but seriously, a 1min ad in a 5min video? Come on.
Windows Vista, My Beloved ❤.
Also many pc sold with Vista had the license downgraded to Windows XP
Windows Vista Starter did not support Aero.
They need to bring it back for Windows 11
I have been in the Microsoft OS world. (DOS, Windows..) since 1984, But with I CAN see a world where Linux will win, Android alone make this a "thing".
I miss Win 95/98, Win 7 is the only other Win OS I miss.
Nowadays you can just install Windows 10/11 and never register it, and it will just work. Some limitations, like not being able to customize the color theme and background, but whatever.
You can actually activate the complete edition with just a GitHub script, it's that simple now.
yes both you can enjoy your spyware for free of required monetary costs but what you keep forgetting is that Microsoft is making money off you hand over fist via keyloggers and selling your data to third-party companies without your consent and without giving you a single penny of the profits as well as little by little gimping the operating system experience taking away control you once had over what is supposed to be your computer
Or you can wake up and realize to stop doing the same things you've always done and expecting different results and make baby steps strides towards switching to Linux. Doing so would mean you would never have to worry about dealing with a pirate or cracked version of an operating system ever again nor any product or license Keys nor any other Fourth Amendment rights disrespecting nonsense
Windows is made deliberatly easy to pirate because their market share is more important than anything else, the only people who absolutely have to pay for windows are system builders to anybody else its effectively free already
i loved Vista. i was new enough to personal built pcs i didnt know the difference.
The main issues were that it was very late in being released and due to changes to the architecture a lot of devices had bad drivers. So, if you got a copy near launch it could be incredibly unstable with a lot of UAC warnings. However, if you upgraded later, it wasn't much of an issue as most of that had been sorted out.
i love how the most replayed shows you people skipping the dang sponsor...lol