Ranking Every Legendary Power Weapon in Destiny 2 for Endgame PvE
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Finally, all the power weapons ranked in one list! This list is based off more extensive research and analysis than some of the older tier lists, and you'll be able to see my new ranking/tiering on the right side of the screen in this one. Next video will be exotics :)
Tier list: tiermaker.com/list/destiny-2/...
Scoring sheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
DPS spreadsheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
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Timestamps (credit to @TheTerrarian):
0:00 Intro
2:54 Terminus Horizon
3:28 Quickfang
3:39 Shattered Cipher
3:54 Thin Precipice
4:04 Archon's Thunder
4:32 Cataphract GL3
5:53 Honor's Edge
6:33 Interference VI
6:44 Wendigo
7:42 Nasreddin
8:09 A Fine Memorial
8:54 Sola's Scar
9:10 Crowd Pleaser
9:16 Seventh Seraph SAW
9:35 Cry Mutiny
10:11 Throne Cleaver
10:50 Recurrent Impact
11:54 Fixed Odds
12:34 Thermal Erosion
12:46 Corrective Measure
14:48 Marsilion-C
15:09 Geodetic HSm
16:10 Love and Death
16:16 Berenger's Memory
16:24 Swarm of the Raven
17:10 Qua Xaphan V
18:25 Chain of Command
19:05 Just in Case
19:17 Retrofit Escapade
20:00 Qullim's Terminus
20:29 Tarnation
20:40 Night Terror
22:20 Falling Guillotine
23:42 Goldtusk
25:08 Death's Razor
25:24 Koraxis's Distress
26:51 Memory Interdict
26:55 Eleatic Principle
27:04 Commemoration
28:24 Temptation's Hook
28:31 Crownsplitter
29:38 Blast Battue
29:49 Abide the Return
30:11 Outrageous Fortune
30:18 THE SWARM
30:25 Song of Ir Yut
31:43 Planck's Stride
32:24 Apex Predator
32:53 Ascendancy
33:22 Negative Space
33:39 Unwavering Duty
34:39 Bad Omens
35:49 Regnant
36:42 Blowout
37:37 Braytech Osprey
38:46 Briar's Contempt
40:41 Bump in the Night
41:45 Bequest
43:11 Cataclysmic
44:39 Canis Major
44:48 Typhon
45:38 Code Duello
45:48 Cold Comfort
46:26 Corsair's Wrath
46:31 Crowning Duologue
46:57 Zephyr
47:47 Eternity's Edge
47:56 Half-Truths
48:37 Hero of Ages
48:45 Razor's Edge
48:51 Steel Sybil Z-14
49:00 The Other Half
50:08 Caretaker
51:19 Avalanche
52:18 Dimensional Hypotrochoid
52:44 Circular Logic
53:14 Fire and Forget
53:37 Heretic
54:00 Hezen Vengeance
55:21 Hoosegow
55:46 Laser Painter
56:16 Palmyra-B
56:25 Red Herring
57:08 Reed's Regret
57:17 Roar of the Bear
57:52 Royal Entry
58:17 Sailspy Pitchglass
58:33 Semiotician
59:18 Shining Sphere
59:24 Sleepless
59:28 Stormchaser
1:00:27 Subzero Salvo
1:00:31 Taipan
1:00:35 Tarantula
1:00:38 Hothead
1:01:26 Threaded Needle
1:01:44 Tomorrow's Answer 
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Hate to unpin the other comment (timestamps credited and moved to description) but I wanted to make a clarification since a lot of people are pointing this out:
My target audience (I believe) has always been and will continue to be "newer" players to endgame content who want to improve their understanding and hopefully gameplay when it comes to endgame content, whether that be starting with speedrunning, doing their first lowman, or playing more effectively in LFG raids.
That being said, I made two mistakes in this video:
1. I used misleading language where I sometimes said "if I were to recommend x to a new light" without the context of explaining that I meant a new light specifically interested in gearing up for optimal endgame play. While I did mention this early on in the video, I didn't repeat it, and as a result there are some weapons where I flat out sound like I'm recommending certain clearly endgame-designed weapons to entirely new players.
For example, Briar's over Cataclysmic. Yes, Cataclysmic is generally the more applicable weapon and a truly new player would get a lot more mileage out of it than any aggressive LFR. That being said, if you are new to endgame content and you want to farm for something that's actually used in optimal play, then Cataclysmic just doesn't meet that description at this time. Retrofit does higher DPS and is easier to use (and Retrofit is also in D for obvious reasons), while Briar's outperforms it on any boss you'd really want to use an LFR on in solo content (Simmumah, Akelous, etc.).
So, to be clear, this video is explicitly designed for players who have SOME experience but are looking to expand upon that experience by learning about which weapons they'll actually need to practice with should they choose to play endgame content with the optimal setup.
2. The tier names, as I suggested early on in the video, are not very good. They certainly don't describe half the weapons in some of the tiers, and going forward, I'll definitely rename this tier list when I revisit it at the start of next season.
As usual, I appreciate all of your feedback and believe me, I read all of your comments :)
21:10 the most unpredictable noise and weird at the same time
[weapon] is in D tier? [skull emoji] have you ever even used [weapon]? with [damage perk] and [average reload perk] I outdps everyone in LFG using [other weapon]
S tier comment
Yea this tier list is ass [weapon] deserves better
Funny how people actually say stuff like this lol. As if anything can out DPS Thunderlord
@bofa722 Thunderlord? Have you ever even used Thin Precipice? With Hatchling and Tireless I outdps everyone in LFG using Thunderlord.
@@JabeRaddle impossible
I like the new tiers. Boils down to "use whenever, use in certain places, use in certain builds, use if you don't have one of the above, just don't"
A for Activity dependant
B for Build dependent
C for Could be used as an alternative
D for DONT use
Here are timestamps since the video doesn't have them
2:54 Terminus Horizon
3:28 Quickfang
3:39 Shattered Cipher
3:54 Thin Precipice
4:04 Archon's Thunder
4:32 Cataphract GL3
5:53 Honor's Edge
6:33 Interference VI
6:44 Wendigo
7:42 Nasreddin
8:09 A Fine Memorial
8:54 Sola's Scar
9:10 Crowd Pleaser
9:16 Seventh Seraph SAW
9:35 Cry Mutiny
10:11 Throne Cleaver
10:50 Recurrent Impact
11:54 Fixed Odds
12:34 Thermal Erosion
12:46 Corrective Measure
14:48 Marsilion-C
15:09 Geodetic HSm
16:10 Love and Death
16:16 Berenger's Memory
16:24 Swarm of the Raven
17:10 Qua Xaphan V
18:25 Chain of Command
19:05 Just in Case
19:17 Retrofit Escapade
20:00 Qullim's Terminus
20:29 Tarnation
20:40 Night Terror
22:20 Falling Guillotine
23:42 Goldtusk
25:08 Death's Razor
25:24 Koraxis's Distress
26:51 Memory Interdict
26:55 Eleatic Principle
27:04 Commemoration
28:24 Temptation's Hook
28:31 Crownsplitter
29:38 Blast Battue
29:49 Abide the Return
30:11 Outrageous Fortune
30:18 THE SWARM
30:25 Song of Ir Yut
31:43 Planck's Stride
32:24 Apex Predator
32:53 Ascendancy
33:22 Negative Space
33:39 Unwavering Duty
34:39 Bad Omens
35:49 Regnant
36:42 Blowout
37:37 Braytech Osprey
38:46 Briar's Contempt
40:41 Bump in the Night
41:45 Bequest
43:11 Cataclysmic
44:39 Canis Major
44:48 Typhon
45:38 Code Duello
45:48 Cold Comfort
46:26 Corsair's Wrath
46:31 Crowning Duologue
46:57 Zephyr
47:47 Eternity's Edge
47:56 Half-Truths
48:37 Hero of Ages
48:45 Razor's Edge
48:51 Steel Sybil Z-14
49:00 The Other Half
50:08 Caretaker
51:19 Avalanche
52:18 Dimensional Hypotrochoid
52:44 Circular Logic
53:14 Fire and Forget
53:37 Heretic
54:00 Hezen Vengeance
55:21 Hoosegow
55:46 Laser Painter
56:16 Palmyra-B
56:25 Red Herring
57:08 Reed's Regret
57:17 Roar of the Bear
57:52 Royal Entry
58:17 Sailspy Pitchglass
58:33 Semiotician
59:18 Shining Sphere
59:24 Sleepless
59:28 Stormchaser
1:00:27 Subzero Salvo
1:00:31 Taipan
1:00:35 Tarantula
1:00:38 Hothead
1:01:26 Threaded Needle
1:01:44 Tomorrow's Answer
Absolute goat
Legend
Sheesh
Doing the lord’s work
God damn
These videos are great for helping me clear my vault out and actually look at my weapons objectively. Appreciate the videos sir 👍
I really appreciate your insight, over the past 2 years I’ve been really getting into end game level knowledge of destiny and your lists and reasoning why helps a lot. It’s really helpful to have essentially a pve cammy to really analyze and keep up with changes to know what exactly is meta.
the depth u go into is just awesome. u are very thorough and thoughtful with ur insight. great vid.
Swarm of the Raven is WAY too high considering regnant is a DIRECT upgrade that's much easier to get and isn't time gated(at the moment)
You know what you're actually right that was a misstep from me thanks for pointing that out
Fantastic snap shot of the current damage meta, love your stuff man!
Thx a lot for all the in-depth Legendary tier list , it help us a lot with vault management 💯🙏🏻 deep appreciated best tier list video out there so far I have seen years
I can appreciate the effort here but I'm not sure I really understand who this tierlist is ultimately for. You start and reason a lot of the weapons with "optimal, the best players I know use it and almost everything below optimal is basically garbage outside of very specific situations" and then finish with, effectively, a recommendation for new players to get and take an eager edge sword into endgame. I strongly suspect it's not going to go well.
I think it's probably the same reason why you're often seemingly confused in these videos, as to why people are telling you LFRs are good when you know they're not. It's because LFRs are good, in a scenario where you don't have a gjally, you aren't communicating your burst, you aren't confident in challenging that champ that will two-shot you or even just surviving/your aim in general, and so you need to rely on range and consistency that LFRs provide. That is the experience of an average new player, we want to minimize fail cases, which rockets and swords are prone to without a lot of experience.
I agree with this completely. I feel that he is assuming his audience is the top 2% of players, but that audience doesn't need a tier list as a guide. I just feels kinda frustrating because Aegis is extremely hard working, is really good at the game and makes really good content, but I wouldn't really recommend this video to anyone, because I don't and know who this video is made for, and I don't think Aegis does either.
Its for newish people or Casual Players with little endgame experience that want to get into it and need the right tools
This video is designed for who my audience has always been: players with some experience under their belt who want to step deeper into endgame
As for the ranking itself, it's literally just "if you are playing optimally, will you ever use this weapon?"
For example, a lot of people are asking why Briar's and Stormchaser are over Cataclysmic - that is because right now, I do not think there is a place where Cataclysmic cannot be substituted for a better weapon in any endgame content, whereas Briar's and Stormchaser are irreplaceable in some content imo
I love getting your take on all these weapons man. Great job
Thanks for these tier lists. Really helpful because for armor I know exactly what I should and want to keep on my character but I’m always swapping weapons, and I’d like to just have a strict list of what’s on my character for weapons now, too
starting the weekend of good with an hour long aegis video where he puts all the weapons i like in D tier. Letsgo!
It may be helpful in your spread sheets to add another column called situation and explain what situation a weapon excels at if the weapon is activity dependent.
I would just like to say, thank your time, insight and hard work 💪
I feel like cataclysmic deserves its place next to its other liner fusion counterparts. Its damage and all damage of LFR's don't compete with other options anymore, but there are circumstances where they are much easier to get value out of than rockets due to them being hitscan vs the potential of missing a rocket. a boss like simmumah comes to mind where they can tp or dodge rockets very quickly and a LFR can excel in that scenario. That said, these tierlists have been very informative to me and the d2 community as a whole, thanks for putting in the effort to make them!
Briar's is much better than Cataclysmic for the only bosses you'd ever consider using a linear on
Very well done tierlist even though i got sad by seeing my sweet retro get in D tier. I really like you rating weapons and giving your reasons to why they are where they are. Just overall really good video.
I think this way is better because it allows me to know what to target based on the need.
39:25 "My powers have doubled since the last time we met Count"
"Good. Twice the pride, double the fall"
I feel like qua xaphan could have been considered build dependent I reload it with my suppressor grenade using that aspect on my voidlock and I get that grenade back almost immediately while using the machine gun. I don't actually have the the higher tier void machine guns though so I can't really compare it to using one of those.
If you ever get a demo/junkie CM youll never touch that thing again, trust.
just when i think he cant possibly make a more indepth insane tier list he does some shit like this wow idk how you have the sanity to keep pumping these out but bravo
I am sad about Retrofit but I understand with the context of this list that where it landed makes sense.
I was also sad. Total dps is actually really good
I'm confused, I really enjoy it, but is it meant to be a bad weapon then?
It isn’t that great in endgame but if you have fun with it then who said you should stop using it
@@musikzmylife Who cares about total damage when it takes 80 seconds to do that much damage?
cataclysmic in D tier is crazy
compared to other linear's it's S tier, but there's a reason linears as a whole are as low as they, their dps especially as crit weapons, is horrible
not crazy it’s just bad 🗣️
100%. Its not A or S tier weapon, but even though catafract replaces it in most cases I still see people using it in solo dungeons, and is one of the better weapons on the harpy in spire. Its an activity dependent weapon.
It really isn’t anything special since the linear nerf. Its not even best in slot anymore and total damage just doesn’t matter that much compared to dps in 90% of scenarios
Cataclysmic: ~91K DPS
Leviathan's Breath: ~147K DPS
Linears are irrelevant even in solo imo, maybe an exception is Briar's w/ Harmonic against Simmumah solo
Hey man it's Bkcc, love the vids and can't wait to get some runs in again with you!
Well done. Ty ty sir
Just summin on avalanche: I think the reason for its lower reserves is the fact that it has a substantially higher zoom compared to every other machine gun, so i like using it more in stuff like nightfalls compared to the trials one; im further away so its easier to see enemies
Plausible theory
i predict the next video is all exotics ranked and half of them are in d tier :)
Primaries? :3 (Your work is never finished, you must toil eternally)
I really like using Lumina with those adaptive relentless whirlwind swords (matching my subclass for mono) and buffing myself right before attacking to mitigate the dps loss from building up to 10 stacks. If you mess up/waiting for final stand you can always rebuff yourself!
Yeah Lumina + legendary sword slaps
Really been loving your videos as someone who's coming back into the game. Are you moving onto primaries or exotics? Holding out for Bows
Exotic weapons yes primaries maybe maybe not
ngl some of these picks in D are just wild
fr
such as?
@@cyclo_17 Retrofit, Cataclysmic. Retofit is still a good option to use in GMs to delete champs with a divinity. Its an alternative option which means it should be in C tier. Cataclysmic is good on the harpy in spire for solo flawless. ik catafract and leviathans breath are better, but if you want another solid option cataclysmic is still a good pick also C tier. I think their both better than swarm of the raven for the msot part.
In optimal endgame play Retrofit has practically zero use imo, same with Cata
@@roundraccoon6141Why would you use a total damage weapon to kill a champ
I think Song of ir yut is deffo A tier. It has recon and sword logic which is gonna be active almost all the time so a roughly 20% damage bonus at all times. The origin trait is amazing too and those explosions are very useful.
subpar substitute for commemoration
@@meowmeow10149 arc version
@@meowmeow10149 Commemoration is a subpar substitute for corrective measure.
It's a situational LMG but it's the best Demo LMG if you're building around it for sure, I only put Commem higher because it works regardless of your build decision and I've changed my mind on Sub > Recon
What would be your recommended perks for hothead? I have a few rolls like demo clown, field prep clown, different EL rolls but I can never see myself really using them. (I do know about crux and I have a few good rolls including slideshot EL). Thank you :)
I think Demo EL is really the only special roll it has left
@@TheAegisRelic alright thank you for the insight. :)
I'm a bit late, but have you considered going through each of the foundries in the game and discussing their viability in PvE? Granted, there's a wide variance depending on weapon type and perk pool, but it'd be cool to see where each foundry succeeds and where they could improve, or even if certain foundry origin traits should be reworked.
I actually considered doing foundry-only runs in dungeons and such in the past, since it'd be a cool sort of challenge run similar to the allegiance challenges in the Borderlands series. Outside of a couple in the game with lacking selections (please Bungie, bring back Black Armory weapons for fuck's sake), it's certainly doable and a fascinating challenge in my opinion.
Keep up the great work, pogsauce!
Probably not seems too arbitrary of a topic
Overall, pretty solid rankings here, nothing to overtly disagree with.
And thank you for mentioning the usefulness of Cold Steel on Zephyr, I think the placement of it makes complete sense.
Happy to see that corrective measure is getting the credit it deserves👍
I know you were talking about not being a fan of the Special Weapon tier list, do you have any plans to redo it in the new format?
Yeah next season every tier list is being revisited (not with individual videos as that would kill me but probably one big one)
this tiering is basically how i read the first tiering
makes way more sense imo
Very powerful list
Was curious to ask this when it come to crit related bosses is it good to use rockets? If not what is a better alternative to linears or are linears the option for crit bosses?
For 95% of bosses in d2 you should be using 5 rockets + Ghorn regardless of crits. Off the top of my head the only bosses where rockets aren’t better than linears are: Kalli because she takes extremely increased precision damage and Oryx cuz he is so far back that rockets can take too long to reach.
Linears are the best option for those bosses and any future bosses that are heavily focused on crits (Whisper of the Worm is also good tho)
What bosses are you talking about specifically? "Crit bosses" can refer to a variety of bosses depending on who you're talking to
@@TheAegisRelic from what I've been told the harpy in spire dungeon, harpy in GoS, kali, the ogre in kings fall I think is all
Akelous yes unless solo
Consecrated yes
Kalli no, people use Izi/Goldie/slugs
Golgoroth yes
You're making a point with cataclysmic, its at lest C tier if not B, just for precision damage
Let’s go aegis blessed us with another video today🎉
Falling guillotine and swarm of the raven in low ranks is funny.
I remember playing in Arrivals and those two were just shredding everything lmao
Yeah a real shame
Great review. Confused by Goldtusk in D tier especially against bosses like Crota where I almost always out DPS everyone on my fire team no matter what they use including lament and bequest.
Goldtusk is outdamaged by Lament and Bequest if either sword is used correctly
light at the end of the tunnel!
... no, the light isn't thunderlord
Is Caretaker potentially better than Bequest for Master Crota this week due to Surges? I assume Lament is an option too but for non exotics/ammo economy, I'm curious how the numbers work out between the extra impact vs the solar surge.
yes. definitely. it's also better than lament
Bequest only does 10% more damage than other Adaptives and surge is 25%
@@warv6552 ok, I didn't know the percentage increase b/c of the higher impact, so Caretaker should be the best DMG and emmo economy for the challenge though Lament does have the survivability aspect.
What weapon do you recommend for GOTD solo? You can literally dump a whole cataclysmic reserve and with using lunafactions and with monochromatic maestro and weakening frombdoing dmg far away I was able to do 3.2mil in a dmg phase.
Briars w/ Harmonic + e. Surrounded will do way more
love seeing my favorite machine gun(corrective measure) high up
Hey Aegis, what are your thoughts on bumping up Half-Truths to build dependent? The only reason I ask, is because it has eager edge and shares a surge with Fourth Horseman, and I have frequently seen that combination used in endgame content speed runs. I'm a newer fan of yours, really appreciate the amount of work that goes into your videos, any thoughts or comments on this are appreciated!
I'm probably not going to make a video like this again, but I would say Half-Truths isn't really part of any intentional build
Does anyone know what the best sword combo is for using adaptives on crota?
1H2L or light spam
@@TheAegisRelic Thanks!
what are the dps and total damage values of 4th horseman + cascade wendigo, envious cascade regnant, and envious bns cataphract?
and also what weapons would you pair with regnant and cataphract in those scenarios
Check spreadsheet they're all there
ty i see. some of those rotations are a bit convoluted and class specific, although I understand the point was to rank pure dps. tbh I'm just searching for a reason to use gls in general gameplay and who knows, they might be meta one day
recurrent impact (and some other weapons from past seasons) are still easily gettable if you don't have the frames yet and didn't play during that season by doing the exotic rotator playlists. in the case of recurrent impact that would be vox obscura mission, giving you guaranteed red frames and chances for even more afaik
Yeah it's not horrible to get atm
It's crazy that out of the top six weapons here, three are crafted, two are focusable engram dumps and one is a true farm. New players have it so easy to obtain top tier meta PVE weapons when it comes to heavy options. Even then if they didn't want to do any of this they could obtain a Gjallarhorn and take that role in most DPS situations.
good
better to have new players with access to adequate equipment than having them be reluctant to LFG because they’re using a 2/5 royal entry
I'm not against this at all BTW. This is a big plus to crafting being in the game. It does make the chase less exciting but it means that anyone can compete.
Lasting impression is a great perk on an auto loading rocket when paired with Divinity and double dexterity mods. Even with out a gally, not used with precision dps, I can buff my own lasting impression rocket with the div bubble, which won’t go away from the double dex quick swap. Royal entry and the Hothead both can roll with these perks.
Royal is a precision frame, while Hothead with ALH Lasting is fine, there are better perks to choose from for swapping (this list is kinda outdated anyways)
@@TheAegisRelic yeah, I do realize how fast this games meta updates. Thanks for replying regardless thought. Also if I recall the damage gap between the different rocket launcher frames was lessened recently if I recall.
What I really need is a some sort of tier list of various builds broken down by what they are actually good for.
Yeah I might
@@TheAegisRelic It would be awesome. There are a lot of fun builds that just falloff in higher tier content.
The worst are the ones that keep working but not well and then you are left wondering is it the build or a skill issue.
Then there are the ones that work in ad dense content, but fall hard in more sparse environments with tankier enemies.
Anyway, it is the sort of tier list I don't think I've seen.
Your vids do a great job of breaking down the reasoning so it feels like you would do a good job of it.
will exotic specials or legendary primaries be next? either way I’ll be excited
Exotic weapons in general are next
Demo ad junkie/ofa corrective measure is so strong on a void grenade build. It's a real shame that void isnt that good in endgame.
It's confirmed. Purple sword > Blue sword.
but.. blue sword look cool...
night terror cannot possibly be D tier, eris literally one shot savathun with it
I didn't want to spoil any seasonal content :D
Literally everyone runs commemoration in end game activities lol. I like your videos because it's clear you're making an effort but I'm glad it's just your opinion.
I mean yeah that's why it's in A
Is their any way to get ascendant alloys f2p besides some vendors giving them, i am getting the legacy collection next week its on sale for $23 I'll be farming that for alloys ( witch queen dlc to be specific ), grinding vendors takes long and not that many of the free vendors give alloys would be nice if i could farm alloys like shards, gonna have a lot of content to play next week
Not sure, maybe weekly mission stuff?
@@TheAegisRelic I've seen videos on the weekly campaign mission but that needs witch queen but legacy collection is on sale, i will be getting it next week, crafting weapons with enhanced perks will be a lot easier
Sounds good
I think a separate video on weapon progression would be good for new players. Like for rockets try to get Apex if you can but Blowout is just much more accessible.
I'm planning on making a zero to endgame type video at some point
Can’t wait for the primaries to get tier lists
Might be waiting a while :P
Wow I love my Eleatic principle ...... The ammo and rapid fire bullets for dayyyyyyss
I know most primary weapons are pretty much worthless, but do you have any plans to rank any of the primaries? Something like “ranking all solar primaries (that are worth using)”? It’d be a huge help to those of us wanting to be more serious about day ones and master raids, especially in encounters that demand a primary for whatever reason, or GMs, where champions actually pose a threat
I might but for now no
I have 5 bad omens in my vault. Was 6 but i deleted it at some point. Dont remember even doing it
D tier: no more bad weapons, I’m full!
Us: no
Fixed odds have reload perk feeding frenzy or am i stupid?
Not a simulated reload perk, just a stat buff
I agree with some others that the tiers should be more need-based, I.e. if you need a good weapon for a relatively common task and there's a clear winner then it should belong in the S tier. Primarily though, I think it's disingenuous to make an entire tier of "alternatives" to try to offer suggestions to the types of players who might not have access to top tier options, then suggest to that same audience that niche options like Briar's are a better option to Cataclysmic when the needs for the different audiences are completely different. If the intention for the tier list is to appeal to a purely endgame/speedrunner audience then I think the possible alternative tier should be removed or refitted to something that doesn't suggest as heavily to outside that audience.
Agreed. It seems weird to refer to Briars and Stormchaser decently for players filling a niche but not recommend Cataclysmic for general use despite ranking it the best LFR in the actual LFR tierlist, it can be confusing for newer players.
Pretty Sure the target audience is people with Low experience in endgame content that want to get into it and are looking for the Tools.
Yeah the tier naming was my bad, I'm definitely changing that going forward
Why is everything solar considered better? please answer. Thanks
Apex predator surge matching, synergizes with well/solar to proc empyrean
holy smokes an aegis video omg my god
Are you counting just raids as “endgame pve”? Because retrofit escapade and cataclysmic are both really good for gms which I consider to be endgame pve. Just curious
Even in Raids. I didn’t like this list at all. My guy has Falling G in D tier. But whatever, everyone has an opinion.🤷♀️
@@Five20three falling got nerfed into the floor
retro is complete garbage, and cata is outdone by levis breath
@@meowmeow10149 wrong
@@Five20threeFalling G is factually garbage though. Because of the nerfs at the start of the season, Vortex frame swords deal less damage and are less ammo efficient than adaptive swords when it comes to DPS. You can even see this in the spreadsheet. Falling Guillotine and all vortex frames are now purely ad clear weapons.
Hey any way you will be able to do a revised version with both special and primary weapons for pve? I know you don't use primary that much but for us non speed runners that would be great lol
Legendary primaries do basically nothing besides kill ads and stun champs. What is there to even rank?
I might, I might not, we'll see
@@slime_ism thats the thing, the only thing left would be to kill bosses lol
What about matching Regnant in rotation with Wilderflight? Was wondering why you didn't mention Wilderflight seeing as you've been so positive about it.
Wilderflight won’t proc cascade point
Woow, thankfully we can equip 3 weapons@@roysourboy358
How important is it to have S-tier?
Context: I'm a casual player and I've been trying to get the top options, but I'm starting to doubt if it's worth spending my limited >5 hours a week on the insane 6-8 hours of grind to get what seems to be a marginal improvement.
Example: I finally got a Recon + Bait Apex, but noticed that the DPS feels very similar to my Palmyra with Lasting Impression even through the latter is technically a complete non-starter. Similarly, I got a crafted Supremacy but the damage feels the same if not worse than Irukandji or Fugue.
Is S-tier something that halves the time in a boss fight, or should I be expecting something more in-line with a 10 to 20 second time save during a 5 minute encounter?
The difference is small
Tbh any rocket works yes ur dps will be less but realistically in a lfg raid for master or normal you will be 2 or 3 phasing with basically any rocket.
For legs yea reload perks help but again it really isn't that important
LMAO palmrya close to apex is the most insane thing ive ever heard there is a huge difference you’re just bad
@@mitchellfalter2823because he has tracking on palmyra and apex has no tracking so he misses some shots.
Imagine laughing at a casual player.
@@hovno3858 yeah imma dick mb dawg ig i was inna bad mood a couple minutes ago lmaoo sorry orginal guy
It is a big difference depending on the weapon. For the most part, rockets do have a very very big difference in damage, you just need practice with bait and switch. Once you see the actual numbers, you’ll notice the difference. It takes a lot of getting used to bait and switch and since you said you are a casual, take your time with learning bait and switch since it’s is miles better than palmyra. It’s almost a 30% damage increase or something like that so just get used to it and you’ll see yourself topping dps charts
I feel like the aggressive frame swords should be in build dependent, they are both very good with stronghold and have the strongest block, and their heavy attack is the best by itself outside of boss dps. Great for damaging champs and getting tough revives and tanking boss damage. But they’re a little carried by stronghold tbh. Aggressive frames are by far the best to pair with stronghold.
swords have no use outside of boss damage if they dont have eager
just because a build exists that includes these items, doesnt mean it should go in build dependant. a none of these are significant qualities that are particularly needed in speeds, lowmans, and low light content. just use bequest man if you really want to use strong hold
@@meowmeow10149 Me when i’ve never used strongholds:
@@1votdopeningfan138 Bequest is extremely mid outside of situational dps and aggressive frames have higher heavy damage and inherently stronger guards. I’m just saying aggressive frames are the best for general play and pair very well with stronghold. Stronghold itself is extremely underrated in high end
@@digiorno1142 sometimes high damage is the only thing swords are really useful for.
the uber strong defense that a stronghold build brings is wasted in the current state of the game. being tanky does nothing if a bunch of other choices have simply killed everything by then. if you bring a stronghold heavy sword titan to a gm farm thats basically considering the broken shit you could have brought.
its a build but one thats low tier itself and thus alone isnt enough to bring the weapon out of its low tier
I think that "build dependant" and "activity dependant" isn't the best names for tiers as weapon could be build dependent but you actually can use it in most activities.
You can use any gun in any activity and be fine. But some are better in specific activities than others (especially endgame stuff which he's referring to) and certain builds make guns shine. That's the point
Yeah I think the one thing I could've done better here is renamed the tiers more accurately
I think Palmyra-B is a very good “baby’s first rocket”
-Innate tracking
-Auto-loading
-explosive light for damage
Is it perfect? No
But you barely have to aim, don’t have to worry about reloading, and you at least have something for damage, and it’s very easy to craft. Not vouching for it to come out of D because it does less damage and is stasis, but it’s notable enough that a new light could probably craft it after 3-4 hours of playing or so, and have a consistent damage rocket.
I'd rather they spend that time trying to get a Hothead tbh
9:27 I actually had to use this in a gm because I had ZERO good arc machine guns.
I think quillums terminus is a sleeper pick and stasis builds just aren't meta right now. Unrelenting/ headstone is amazing. None of the stasis classes have a way to heal themselves outside of shard overshield. and the crystals from headstone synergize with the builds.
you can reload with the runneth over for a huge magazine. then you can use sherukens to auto reload it.
why heal yourself with that garbage when you can just ad clear and not die instead
@@meowmeow10149 that's the point.... most classes can heal..... that's a major reason all the solar subclasses are meta...... you can't heal on stasis. being able to heal while you're killing all the ads and making stasis crystals that helps your subclass.... literally doing its job as a machine gun and playing into your build.
It sucks that Runneth Over requires a manual reload but if Revenant ever gets some offensive utility it could be decent
Idk man, I understand your reasoning for Cataclysmic’s placement but just looking at what’s in the C tier, I’d rather use it in general high-end play than most options there. I wouldn’t put the gun higher than C but it think D is a bit overkill.
It was one of the weapons I struggled with but looking at it objectively there's just nowhere I think Cataclysmic fits into the endgame picture in 2023
even if I know you're right about precision frame rockets being dogshit, it still hurts my soul to see Palmyra in D lol, purely because it was my only craftable rocket before I farmed Apex, and was my way to practice rocket+Izzi swap
bump cry mutiny up a tier for shooting dope cannonballs
for real though, vorpal on heavys suck but demo can be good. also, its solar. matches the surge of eremite/royal executioner/that other solar fusion i could never get.
Yeah Demo is nice
Fine memorial is a good machine gun if u get subsistence + one for all or frenzy.
Yeah it's not bad tbh
Seeing the blatant difference between S-A tier and the rest is a sign that we really need Rockets nerfed and some more alternatives. Also, the D-tier is overclocked at the moment. Might want to consider investing in an F- and/or E- tier to put some pressure off of D-tier.
Dude I'm gonna keep it a buck I literally didn't have any weapons I thought were deserving of A tier I had to push half of B into A
My man Aegis with another banger
Suggestion if we're playing with the tier names:
Frequently optimal > occasionally optimal > niche > alternative > outclassed
Seems to generally fit the pattern where there are a small number of weapons good almost everywhere, a slightly larger number that are also really good but requiring a bit more forethought or that are just slightly more situational, then "Bequest tier" where there's stuff that's really good but only in super specific situations, then the stuff that's reasonably good if you can't get the stuff above it, then the other things you'd be wasting your time trying to get.
IMHO Red Herring is generally better than Osprey because it has an intrinsic 10% dmg bonus, while both of them have Field Prep w/ Frenzy
Yeah Osprey has an ALH equivalent and Bipod though, which are more relevant than a 10% bump in GMs
what's the ideal crafting recipe for apex
Reconstruction Bait and switch
Quick / Impact / Recon / BnS / Handling
Me when using apex predator:
"now that it's a weapon"
I think this list could really be about 3 of them
A list for RAIDING (Master, Day one and NORMAL which 99% of players stick too... since there is no tangable reward to doing master outside of the ships/sparrows)
A List for GMs (more tightly structured than Dungeons IMO... you NEED to meet damage thresholds all the time)
A List for Dungeons (Normal AND Master, since both play different, though at current Dungeons are just 3 man Raids with Eager Edge and Rockets being the best)
gms are just rockets, dungeons are just whatever damage is the best and raids are usually whatever damage is the best with the occasional extreme ad clear
I mean it's really just GMs/low power vs. speedruns/raids/dungeons and I think this video covered both on average pretty decently
Have you done exotics yet?
Soon
Nobody:
The sword I use for strand titan: second to last
Cataclysmic… look how they massacred my boy 😢
crown splitter and throne cleaver are obviously S tier, what other weapons give the good brain feelings like big slam sword?
This is true
I think the way you label the tiers is fundamentally flawed. For example something like stormchaser can also be nade activity dependent if there is an active surge (for example arc surge in crota for ir yut). You don't really need to have a whole build around it to make it viable.
if arc surge then hothead :) linears are just bad
surges also rotate so theres no reason to include them as a thought because that levels everything out. Like sure hothead is good if arc surge but then apex gets an even greater lead over hothead during solar surge. Might as well assume an even playing field and then you just adjust based on "well whats the best (element)(weapon type) since its (element) surge this weekl"
Yeah the tier labeling is a bit off but the tiers themselves I'm happy with
@@sirjamjam101 My bad I couldn't think of anything better on the spot but you're right.
stormchaser being above cataclysmic hurts my soul. i get why but still.
Aegis > Rick
aegis >>>
I finished watching this video and Rick Kackis wasn't done with his intro.
[Anyone] > Rick 😅
@@Cabnr310honestly.
the swarm???