This overkill. That deck is going to be there LONG after that house is torn down. The foundation of that house isn't half as ridiculous as this was. Good for them though, they made a 8k deck for a 100k house. Totally makes sense
Always someone in the comments squakin about how they know better. This is done well. There's done fast. Done well. And done cheap. You only get to pick 2 of those.
I agree! Learned a bit this time as opposed to other videos that showed things happening but didn’t quite cover it well enough. And it did it in 30 minutes and this took 5. That’s how you get the best bang for your bucks.
This was a good video. For those that say this is overkill are wrong. Ive been doing pavers since they became a thing. 25-30 years ago, we always did 8 inch base. Blue stone with crushed concrete above it. Back then, no barrier and no poly sand. Only play sand. Pitch was done the same way. The barrier and poly sand is an improvement. Also, the machines are great. We cracked concrete with a sledge hammer and breaker bar. Eventually picked up a skid steer with bucket and forks. Pavers used to be only rectangle. Designs have come a long way, Cambridge, Tekno, EP Henry etc. Lighting, walls, caps to match. The business has grown so much and got a lot of engineering improvements over the years. Also, a lot more competition. Back then, there were only a few companies doing it at 6-8$ per square foot. Now, forget about it.
@RealLifeFinance nothing about how much you can or cannot charge. It'd about how must cost has risen and what it actually does cost now vs then. That's all I was saying
It really is the first one I see where rock bed and rock chips are used just like we did! I used to pave in Germany . Over there we do sidewalks entire roads and especially parking lots with different types of bricks and stones . We were teams of 5 men each on the big projects. We had to lay a 100 square meters which is 1076 square foot a day. All that was there on arrival was a finished rock bed and the corner stones. Early in the day you have 1 person on the backhoe just bringing in chips and one leveling enough bed ahead for 2 guys to just go at it. With the last guy just setting bricks in front of the 2 who are laying them . It's so fast paced there is no time to get on your knees. The most hardest job I ever did .
Informative videos like this immediately let the home owners know if we can handle something like this or need to hire out. Im just doing a very small add on to the driveway and they are wanting to charge me only $1350. After seeing all your work and the stuff involved. Ive opted just to pay Carlos the $1350 and leave it to the pros on this one. Very informative and to the point. Thanks for the video.
Im 4 days into a 320 sq ft DIY paver patio. Me and one other guy. Finally have the base down now just need to screed paver bed and lay pavers. Love this straight forward video for a quick recap and vison. Its definitepy been allot of work, but saving a ton of money doing it ourselves. As others are saying, take your time and do it in phases. The measurements and leveling the base to pitch can take some time and patience. Looking forward to my finished product, I think we'll be pleased. Its really starting to come together!
Thank you for the step by step. Great detailed video. I’m doing my first small backyard project with pavers. I heard you stated “ your first layer of poly sand”. How many more layers do you lay down. Also can you explain again how you remove the pipes after you laid down the chip stones. Thanks in advance.
Thank you, We sweep the ploy sand in the joints, then compact, then sweep in again. Blow or sweep off excess, then water. After you screed just pick the pipes up and fill voids with stone.
Nice man. Only thing I would change is a would put in a exfiltration pipe that would either go into a pop up, dry well, or gravel pit. Also I know spikes aren’t recommended in open graded base. They don’t have anything to grip and rust into.
One of the better how-to videos I've ever seen on RUclips Buddy. Great tips with the pipes and explaining the process. Only thing I would want added is to say why you do things the way you do. In other words, somebody might say 09 inches is too deep let's do 5. Why is that bad? Keep doing what you're doing though! Good-looking deck!
The best part is you finish and rest. Your wife is so happy. You tell her to leave the finished work. She thinks the grout sand looks dirty. She uses a higher power hose to wash the grout sand away. Problem solved for her: the area looks clean. And you realize you have to all but start over…
If you don't have freeze thaw cycles you could probably get away with 3 inches of 3/4" stone and then 1 inch of chip stone as your setting bed. You best bet would be to go to your local paver supply yard and ask what's standard for your area. Hope this helps
Guess it depends on the area. but I've seen patios with just 2 inches of gravel and no leveling sand and they held level for almost 15 years. And every now and then you'll just have to adjust a few spots here and there.
Nah. I usually start with a 33 inch deep pit. I use the largest excavator possible, like in this video. Make sure it's designed for high rise skyscraper buildings. First an 8 inch layer of premium stone, then a solid 3 inches of Carrera marble, then 5 inches of polymeric sand, a thin 1" layer of cashmere to block weeds, and then 5 inches of redi-mix mortar. Then polish that concrete foundation, from 100 to 2000 grit. Then muriatic acid that whole thing, really etch it. Then a layer of cork, maybe 1/8" thick - for sound absorption. On top of the cork, I add a carbon fiber sheet for strength, the kind used on the International Space Station. Then I tile the entire section in cheap ceramic bathroom tile. I grout. Now you have a base. Mahogony is the way to go for edging, or Brazilian Rosewood. Finally, install the Home Depot $1.25 apiece concrete pavers over the corked carbon fiber tile. Tamp the whole thing constantly for 24 hours, and then watch your dog shit on it. My system is much better than this bush league stuff.
Now this is... Pro!... Well done! I couldn't understand the edging part very well tho had to rewind many times and still don't get it. How do you put it in so nicely AND drive the nails in without taking the whole soldier course (or part of it) out at the same time?.. AND its all in the right place...i understand there are 2 of you, but i still didn't get it. Amature here😅 Edit: ok we are doing retainers completely different in our company. We use aluminium sod retainers, but put them under the pavers.... A bit of a nightmare haha but solid in the end i guess
@michellessouthernhomecooki5870 your only cost are the pavers and some fine stones. You don't need the truck for leveling but this is a decent sized area
In my area we don't have the 3/8 chip stone. What would you guys use if you couldn't get it readily? Most guys around here use stone dust but it's kind of a pain because you need to compact it before the pavers.
Carrera Marble tile. Just tile the whole area in marble, then you just coat that bad boy in bermuda grass sod. Wait for that to grow, then just put the pavers over the grass. Then tamp the pavers violently until they turn to dust. Then lay more pavers over the crunched up pavers. Then coat the pavers in epoxy. Polish epoxy. Easy breezy.
Curious if this is for a northern climate? I live in a area where we have frost also, what’s the approximate square foot cost for a patio of this size? Thanks
Thank you, Yes concrete will hold better for sure. The only issue I had with concrete is the grass never seems grow back over it very good. I make sure I compact the dirt up against the edging really good and it seems to hold well. I might try the concrete with the fibers in it and see how that works.
What are the primary mistakes people make in this process? Any trouble shooting guides I can look at? I’ve never done this before. And really don’t want o screw up my house!
Geotex fabric is non-permeable preventing absorption of rain water into the ground. Better to use a permeable weed cloth so water can be absorbed like a sponge. This is especially important if you’re planting trees or shrubs near the patio.
Okay, so my son wants to put in a 8x14 patio with pavers. He said his budget is $500. Labor is him and me ( I’m 66). Clearly we don’t have your equipment or experience, so what can I do to help him out. Certainly we aren’t digging down 9 or 10 inches. Can we cut some corners?
Many years ago, I put in a brick patio. Not brick paver, bricks. I cut every corner. Bricks on top of dirt. Don't do that. Get the base right. Our guy here is in PA., so they have to think about freezing and thawing ground, so their base might be deeper than yours needs to be. $500 seems awfully thin. Best of luck and you don't over exert.. (we 65+ guys need to remember we aren't 30 anymore!)
@@Jaxsolo I think logic and reason finally prevailed. He has agreed to forgo putting in any additional pavers and put down some stone instead.😅Bullet dodged
great work what does something like this cost? i have about the same size also where does the water go when it rains? i worry about puddling near the foundation thanks!
Hi what is material cost for that size ? and then total cost to have installed? I am thinking of trying to put one in myself. I have done plenty of concrete flatwork but never pavers. Thank You
Why would you not do the 3/4 stone before you put the sand to avoid any un-even leveling? Here in MA, I usually do the 3/4 crushed stone and then the sand after, using the sand as the top base, making everything level. If you try to put pavers on 3/4 angular, in my experience the p[avers will not sit correctly??????
The pavers are not on the 3/4" stone. I put down 3/8" chip stone as my leveling bed. This is called "open grade base". Google it, there are a lot of benefits and its becoming very popular.
![ARGENTINA vs. PERÚ [1-0] | RESUMEN | ELIMINATORIAS SUDAMERICANAS | FECHA 12](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xtI25ENDDSY/mqdefault.jpg)
I was thinking about doing the same size patio in my bk yard by myself now im rethinking it. That is a lot of work.
Do a concrete patio in sections. Rent a mixer.
It’s not
Take a day at a time. Your time. It can easy be done
Lot of money
This overkill. That deck is going to be there LONG after that house is torn down.
The foundation of that house isn't half as ridiculous as this was. Good for them though, they made a 8k deck for a 100k house. Totally makes sense
@@tranzco1173this is not overkill. Have you ever done construction? Lol
Always someone in the comments squakin about how they know better. This is done well.
There's done fast. Done well. And done cheap. You only get to pick 2 of those.
In preparation for my new patio build I have watched dozens of videos, and this one is by far the most informative and useful. Thank you!!
Awesome, thank you!
Came here to say the same thing. Best explanation out there
I agree! Learned a bit this time as opposed to other videos that showed things happening but didn’t quite cover it well enough. And it did it in 30 minutes and this took 5. That’s how you get the best bang for your bucks.
This was a good video. For those that say this is overkill are wrong. Ive been doing pavers since they became a thing. 25-30 years ago, we always did 8 inch base. Blue stone with crushed concrete above it. Back then, no barrier and no poly sand. Only play sand. Pitch was done the same way. The barrier and poly sand is an improvement. Also, the machines are great. We cracked concrete with a sledge hammer and breaker bar. Eventually picked up a skid steer with bucket and forks. Pavers used to be only rectangle. Designs have come a long way, Cambridge, Tekno, EP Henry etc. Lighting, walls, caps to match. The business has grown so much and got a lot of engineering improvements over the years. Also, a lot more competition. Back then, there were only a few companies doing it at 6-8$ per square foot. Now, forget about it.
Thanks man, its always nice getting comments from people in the trade.
@@srmcontracting You completed from start to finish in one day with just two guys? That's as impressive as the quality of work.
What do you mean now forget about it? Can't charge that much or can charge more?
@RealLifeFinance nothing about how much you can or cannot charge. It'd about how must cost has risen and what it actually does cost now vs then. That's all I was saying
@@RealLifeFinance 2 days with 2 guys
Thank you for keeping it short while still showing all the details. Subscribing now
We did one just using hand tools and wheelbarrow
Don be afraid to do it, take your time ,was a lot of work but we are satisfied .
Too Much Gravel
That Is The Patio And
Not The Driveway Man.
Amén.
It really is the first one I see where rock bed and rock chips are used just like we did!
I used to pave in Germany . Over there we do sidewalks entire roads and especially parking lots with different types of bricks and stones .
We were teams of 5 men each on the big projects.
We had to lay a 100 square meters which is 1076 square foot a day.
All that was there on arrival was a finished rock bed and the corner stones.
Early in the day you have 1 person on the backhoe just bringing in chips and one leveling enough bed ahead for 2 guys to just go at it. With the last guy just setting bricks in front of the 2 who are laying them .
It's so fast paced there is no time to get on your knees.
The most hardest job I ever did .
Informative videos like this immediately let the home owners know if we can handle something like this or need to hire out. Im just doing a very small add on to the driveway and they are wanting to charge me only $1350. After seeing all your work and the stuff involved. Ive opted just to pay Carlos the $1350 and leave it to the pros on this one. Very informative and to the point. Thanks for the video.
Im 4 days into a 320 sq ft DIY paver patio. Me and one other guy. Finally have the base down now just need to screed paver bed and lay pavers. Love this straight forward video for a quick recap and vison.
Its definitepy been allot of work, but saving a ton of money doing it ourselves. As others are saying, take your time and do it in phases. The measurements and leveling the base to pitch can take some time and patience. Looking forward to my finished product, I think we'll be pleased. Its really starting to come together!
Glad to help, Thanks for watching. I hope to turned out great!
Show us a video
What a great job you guys did on that patio and thanks for the class
Of all the videos I've seen it seems like you go above and beyond...very well done great job
Thank you
Thanks for the quick and to the point instructions!
Thanks Sean - staring my base in the morning - appreciate the run through!
No problem, good luck with your project 👍
Hey Sean. This is a lot of work for the average guy, but if it's worth doing, it's worth doing it right. Thanks for sharing.👍👍🍁
That's a lot of work for just 2 guys . I work alone and that's a nice job
Thank you
Nice explanation. Thanks mate. Greetings from Australia 🦘
Thanks for watching!
This is why these jobs are so expensive. Nice work
Thanks 👍
Thank you for the step by step. Great detailed video. I’m doing my first small backyard project with pavers. I heard you stated “ your first layer of poly sand”. How many more layers do you lay down. Also can you explain again how you remove the pipes after you laid down the chip stones. Thanks in advance.
Thank you, We sweep the ploy sand in the joints, then compact, then sweep in again. Blow or sweep off excess, then water. After you screed just pick the pipes up and fill voids with stone.
Nice man. Only thing I would change is a would put in a exfiltration pipe that would either go into a pop up, dry well, or gravel pit. Also I know spikes aren’t recommended in open graded base. They don’t have anything to grip and rust into.
One of the better how-to videos I've ever seen on RUclips Buddy. Great tips with the pipes and explaining the process. Only thing I would want added is to say why you do things the way you do. In other words, somebody might say 09 inches is too deep let's do 5. Why is that bad? Keep doing what you're doing though! Good-looking deck!
Glad you liked it!
I’d like to second that. Why do you need 6in of base?
@@brandonmalone5758 6in base is standard, the manufacture and icpi both recommend it. Anything less and you will have settling issues.
By far this has been one of the best videos I seen
You guys work super fast! Can I pay you by the hour to do the same at my house?
Thank you for taking the time to explain all the details!!👍👍❤️
Thanks for watching!
Simple and to the point. Great stuff.
Great job! Nice prep and finish.
I have done this work. This recorded an excellent job.
Thank you
Nice video and straight to the point. Thanks!
Thanks for watching
Nothing like learning a skill in 5 minutes that takes professionals years to master.
Great video thank you, How would this install price compare to pouring concrete instead of pavers? Do you know the cost difference?
Nice job open base is the way to go!
Thanks
It took me 4 days to do this. It only took this guys 5 mins!
Excellent demonstration. Thank you❤
Best explanation so far
When you dig, do you check to ensure that the slope is directed towards the outside corner of the house?
or when do you need to check the slope?
The best part is you finish and rest. Your wife is so happy. You tell her to leave the finished work. She thinks the grout sand looks dirty. She uses a higher power hose to wash the grout sand away. Problem solved for her: the area looks clean. And you realize you have to all but start over…
Oh man, that doesn't sound good!
Thanks, I saw it was good advice elsewhere to wet down the stone before compacting to keep dust down
You make it look so easy 5:34
I was going to ask if the amoung of stone you put in the base was necessary, Read through the comments and found my answer! It looks great!
If you live in an area where the temps drop below freezing then yes it's 100% necessary. Thanks for watching!
Great information in your video. Excellent
Awesome video! I'm curious would 16''x16'' or like 18''x18" paver stones have a risk of cracking if I used a machine compactor?
What's the point of the laying the poles? Thanks! Great video!
Great video. To the point. Love it.
Appreciate it!
@srmcontracting living in South Carolina would you recommend sand or use the 3/4 stone below the pavers?
If you don't have freeze thaw cycles you could probably get away with 3 inches of 3/4" stone and then 1 inch of chip stone as your setting bed. You best bet would be to go to your local paver supply yard and ask what's standard for your area. Hope this helps
Super pro job! Now I want to hire someone, haha
Are you using any type of pad on your compactor or can we run metal over the pavers!?
Yes I use a rubber pad thats bolted to the compactor. I would be worried about scuffing the pavers with the metal
step 1. have an excavator
😂
Hahaha
Rent you cake rent them for like 30 bucks for 24 hours to 3 days
You can easily dig a base like this with 2-3 people using shovels.
@@Jv9569 that’s what I did
Do you always place the geofrabric?
Great video btw
Thank you, yes it's a must.
Well, after seeing this video it's no wonder mine looks so bad after 5 years. The house flipper I bought the house from cut every corner they could.
Sorry to hear that, unfortunately I see contractors skimping on the base all the time. Best of luck
Great job, what kind of poly sand do you recommend?
Thanks, Gator G2
Guess it depends on the area. but I've seen patios with just 2 inches of gravel and no leveling sand and they held level for almost 15 years. And every now and then you'll just have to adjust a few spots here and there.
Yes, colder climates need a thicker base for sure
Nah. I usually start with a 33 inch deep pit. I use the largest excavator possible, like in this video. Make sure it's designed for high rise skyscraper buildings.
First an 8 inch layer of premium stone, then a solid 3 inches of Carrera marble, then 5 inches of polymeric sand, a thin 1" layer of cashmere to block weeds, and then 5 inches of redi-mix mortar. Then polish that concrete foundation, from 100 to 2000 grit. Then muriatic acid that whole thing, really etch it. Then a layer of cork, maybe 1/8" thick - for sound absorption. On top of the cork, I add a carbon fiber sheet for strength, the kind used on the International Space Station. Then I tile the entire section in cheap ceramic bathroom tile. I grout. Now you have a base.
Mahogony is the way to go for edging, or Brazilian Rosewood. Finally, install the Home Depot $1.25 apiece concrete pavers over the corked carbon fiber tile. Tamp the whole thing constantly for 24 hours, and then watch your dog shit on it.
My system is much better than this bush league stuff.
@@tranzco1173 🤣
So it’s best to use chip rather than anything with sand in it ?
Amazing Video, Great Detail
Thanks!
Now this is... Pro!... Well done! I couldn't understand the edging part very well tho had to rewind many times and still don't get it. How do you put it in so nicely AND drive the nails in without taking the whole soldier course (or part of it) out at the same time?.. AND its all in the right place...i understand there are 2 of you, but i still didn't get it. Amature here😅
Edit: ok we are doing retainers completely different in our company. We use aluminium sod retainers, but put them under the pavers.... A bit of a nightmare haha but solid in the end i guess
You guys are fast LOL great job
Perfect, just what I needed for my situation...
Glad it could help
good job and great explaination,
What was this project turn key cost if I might ask including all labor please. Thanks. Amazing!!
So u can be cheap and look for that price cut in half
@Araceli Perez no to see what that's worth. I would be interested too
@@araceliperez6389 actually to know how much approximately to save for such a project, thanks. Have a nice day.
@michellessouthernhomecooki5870 your only cost are the pavers and some fine stones. You don't need the truck for leveling but this is a decent sized area
@@araceliperez6389 what r u 15? U rude asf
Thank you... How much a job like that runs for?
About $22 a per ft
Then add in cost of labor and materials
Whats the difference between using sand or gravel
Good video. Too much work for me. I hurt my back just watching.
🤣😂🤣😂
In my area we don't have the 3/8 chip stone. What would you guys use if you couldn't get it readily? Most guys around here use stone dust but it's kind of a pain because you need to compact it before the pavers.
Carrera Marble tile. Just tile the whole area in marble, then you just coat that bad boy in bermuda grass sod. Wait for that to grow, then just put the pavers over the grass. Then tamp the pavers violently until they turn to dust. Then lay more pavers over the crunched up pavers. Then coat the pavers in epoxy. Polish epoxy. Easy breezy.
how long did this take to build?
I want to have a flagstone patio layed but with out all the machinery brought in that seems to add to the cost in your opinion is that doable?
Not sure I can go that deep.here in florida. Would you say 4inch base and 1 inch sub would work?
Yes that should be good
Job well done..❤❤👍👍
Thank you
That blue this is that a level
Yes, it's a screed with a level on top
Nice work. 💪
Thank you
Very informative, thank you.
Thank you
Nice Job looks good 👍
Thank you
Nice narrative, but I would like to see the camera zoomed in closer and a few regular speed of you laying the pavers.
which fabric do you use? looking to keep all weeds and grass away from mine!
Nice job
Great video Thanks 👍
Thank you
very nice and understandable!
Thank you
Curious if this is for a northern climate? I live in a area where we have frost also, what’s the approximate square foot cost for a patio of this size? Thanks
Yes eastern PA, around here pavers start $22-$24 per square foot.
Just quoted 30$ sf labor only. I have to supply everything but some base fabric. No way I will pay that much.
How do I calculate how much material I need to use under the pavers? I wasn't to install 12x12x3 pavers in a surface of 15'x22
Do you tamp the 3/8 stone paver base before you put the pavers on it?
Can you put the stone base on top of the grass? Without removing the grass and dirt?
It's not a good idea because the grass will decay and cause the base to settle.
Do I need to use pipes if its not going to be as big of a patio
Trying to figure out how I am going to do this with a 2 ft x 10 ft pavers. I have 2ft square pavers.
Would a patio in this style support a small round above ground pool, 10ft x 23in. without causing any problems?
Yes with the proper base
Quality patio install
Thank you
Great job
Thank you
Sooo when did ya put in your frames? Your frames were suddenly appearing
Great video and work ! ✅
thanks good job
Thank you
Great video brother. Would a concrete edge be better then that plastic edge on Open base?👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thank you, Yes concrete will hold better for sure. The only issue I had with concrete is the grass never seems grow back over it very good. I make sure I compact the dirt up against the edging really good and it seems to hold well. I might try the concrete with the fibers in it and see how that works.
Nice job....
Thanks
What are the primary mistakes people make in this process? Any trouble shooting guides I can look at?
I’ve never done this before. And really don’t want o screw up my house!
Lack of compaction, the key to a successful install is a properly done base.
How much you charge to do this job?
Geotex fabric is non-permeable preventing absorption of rain water into the ground. Better to use a permeable weed cloth so water can be absorbed like a sponge. This is especially important if you’re planting trees or shrubs near the patio.
Love it !
Thank you
Can this type of patio support a pergola?
Great how too
Have you got any recommendations, if you want to make this patio more cheaper? Like some DIY methods?
Okay, so my son wants to put in a 8x14 patio with pavers. He said his budget is $500. Labor is him and me ( I’m 66). Clearly we don’t have your equipment or experience, so what can I do to help him out. Certainly we aren’t digging down 9 or 10 inches. Can we cut some corners?
Many years ago, I put in a brick patio. Not brick paver, bricks. I cut every corner. Bricks on top of dirt. Don't do that. Get the base right. Our guy here is in PA., so they have to think about freezing and thawing ground, so their base might be deeper than yours needs to be. $500 seems awfully thin. Best of luck and you don't over exert.. (we 65+ guys need to remember we aren't 30 anymore!)
@@Jaxsolo I think logic and reason finally prevailed. He has agreed to forgo putting in any additional pavers and put down some stone instead.😅Bullet dodged
great work what does something like this cost? i have about the same size also where does the water go when it rains? i worry about puddling near the foundation thanks!
Thank you, About $22 a per ft. The patio pitches away from the house
Hi what is material cost for that size ? and then total cost to have installed? I am thinking of trying to put one in myself. I have done plenty of concrete flatwork but never pavers. Thank You
I'm my area it's about $22 per sq ft to have installed. All the materials account for about $8 per sq ft. Thanks for watching
Is it possible to do this with a handheld excavator?
experience is on point
Why would you not do the 3/4 stone before you put the sand to avoid any un-even leveling? Here in MA, I usually do the 3/4 crushed stone and then the sand after, using the sand as the top base, making everything level. If you try to put pavers on 3/4 angular, in my experience the p[avers will not sit correctly??????
The pavers are not on the 3/4" stone. I put down 3/8" chip stone as my leveling bed. This is called "open grade base". Google it, there are a lot of benefits and its becoming very popular.