pro tip for anyone reading, PVC pipe for screed rails like that are too flexible. if you have any low spots/dips in your gravel base, you can inadvertently push the PVC screed pipes down into the dips, thus getting a dip in your screed layer. Spend the extra money on metal pipes for your screed rails, this isn't something you want to redo down the road.
@@MNhockeydude35cant always trust the wood to be as straight. If you get the 3/4 in pipe, and you take care of them and don’t beat on them too much. They won’t get ruined
@@MNhockeydude35 Wood can warp over time and also is not a smooth surface for the screed to slide over. A nice smaller cast iron or heavy gauge steel pipe 3/4" is ideal because you can hammer the screed pipe into place if it is too high with a rubber mallet.
Looks easy. 24 years ago I installed traditional pavers...Put down the road mix and sand. Had it all sloped away from house and ready to lay pavers the next morning. Well the next morning my daughters put our 2 yr old golden outside and you can guess what happened. I was not able to sufficiently repair the sand so from then on I have a low spot that collects water when it rains. That dog finished her journey about 10 years ago and her work remains. RIP Sunny.
I'm a 68 year old woman who has absolutely no experience and needed to update my concrete patio. I ended up purchasing Snap together tiles which fit right over my concrete area No prep necessary. Took about an hour to complete the project. Looks awesome, couldn't be happier! Will leave Sweat and labor to the dudes!
@@barbwilson6669 purchased from Wayfair online. Product sku code is YTCH1346 - 12" x 12" brown interlocking decktiles. Layed them on my concrete patio, they look great, and really easy to assemble .Mfg. is Yaheetech. Good Luck!
This is the nicest comment section I’ve seen for someone learning. Exactly how it should be a couple people giving suggestions and others encouraging his hard work even if it’s not what they would’ve done
That looks exactly what it is. Aso called. Cheap plastic alternative... Buts not cheaper.. Won't last and looks crap.. All the work in block paving is in the prep.!.. You can it all twists and wobbles now!.. Emagive driving a truck over that it would not last 5 minutes!!.. And can you imagine stuck down plastic border lasting 15 years?? 😂😂Don't think so.. Lol
@@davieboy666 I wanted to comment on how bad of an idea this is and all wrong things but figured at the end of the day who cares? The people that don't know any better are the one you want to help but they are going to be the ones defending the guy getting paid to advertise this crap system
I’m getting tired just watching you work hard BUT my dream is to have a patio area that big and privacy fencing. I’m disabled and the money isn’t there to hire, so, I enjoy your projects and live through your videos. Thank you!
Future reference, spray a little water on the ground and let it soak in. Not enough to turn to mud but enough to soften up and will also help with dust control
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When you said that you don't have the "budget for that", I was under the impression this would be cheaper than concrete. But at $26 per 16"X16" tile. Excluding the more expensive tiles for the edges.... I think the concrete is the more affordable option. Cool video and great job.
18 years of hardscape installation here. This was awesome! Great channel, keep up the great work. Couple of notes: Lay paver as you screed, you should only screed about two to four feet past what you lay. That way you can close up the screed each day and animals and rain can't ruin the screed. Tarp the unpaved area at night. Also the base needs 98% proctor density, so a rotating plate compactor is key. At least a 6-7k Lb cyclical downward force, like a small Weber or Wacker. Good luck on other projects. Also, keep your knees out of the screed sand or youll pre-compact the screed.
Last year I used an easier system when I put patio pavers down in front of my front steps. (I actually took the old pavers up, dug up the base that had become partially eroded from water, put in a new base and this product, and replaced the pavers. I had fixed the water issue the previous year.) I used Brock PaverBase Panels. Each panel is approximately 5 square feet in area, different hardware chains have slightly different sized panels, that are laid on top of the sand and you place your choice of paving stones on top. Holes in the panel allow water to pass through. The biggest advantage is that they allow one to greatly reduce the amount of gravel base by three inches. Instead of digging down six inches one only needs to dig down three. Any force that would have caused a single paver to either sink down or be raised up before gets spread out across the panel. The edges of the panels are designed to overlap to provide more stability for the pavers. (One end and one side extend halfway on the top while the other sides extend on the bottom.) Cutting the panels is easy. The pavers I installed have gone through a Canadian winter and they still look as good as when I installed them. The cost of the panel is more than the gravel base it saves but I think that ease in installation and the virtual elimination of individual pavers rising or falling are more than worth the cost.
The best part of those panels are how easy it is to install pavers. Rather than being careful with laying each paver while NOT disturbing sand, you can 'slide' pavers in place.
I used an electric roto tiller to pave my backyard and it was so fun and easy. I’ve also used a roto tiller to run a water line to my pool area. Would till a small footprint and suck up loose dirt with a shop vac. The trench was so fast and easy to lay the pipe in a fraction of the time.
@@MagicalEarthAngel4444 I'd still use a tiller to loosen it up and then a shovel to clear it. Depending on how long of a trench. In clay, with a long trench, renting a ditch-witch might be the way to go.
@@enmodo Depends on the amp hours. But the problem is the cost of the batteries. A 6amp hour battery, probably 30-35 minutes if your bogging through tough soil. Great for a small place, but not really any place for commercial unless you tote around a battery farm that will cost you a $900. That's probably enough to cover the charging cycle time to rotate from dead to charged units. However, it is nice to not be throwing out noxious clouds while you work.
It's wonderful how user friendly the system is and makes it possible for a diyer to complete a small paving project over a weekend. Paying labor costs for a job like this often becomes the biggest expense, not the pavers, so to be able to do it yourself might make the difference between having a nicely paved area and not.
I looked into the price after this video and just for the blocks and the grid system it was $7000 that does not include the gravel, sand, tax, equipment, or anything else.
Couple of questions first one is if you don’t have used poly sand than how do you control the weeds that will grow in between the paver. Second is how much weight can the pave gold before it sink, and 3rd how well will it hold against the sun and fade and scratches. Love that it’s lightweight paver but will it hold overtime.
You have to use rigid tubes for leveling, not pvc which are flexible. Once you achieve level between those 2 tubes then you do feather edge sand etc. If you use pvc then it flexes and never is even to echother , not mentioning level overall. Compacter can slightly even out dents on the finished surface but will not do miricles. Bether start from as leveled surface as possible, before you lay crates
So you just completely made my day with his system. For the extra money it's well worth it. I last year did my own pavers doing a walk way all the way out to the fire pit and around. It took me so long because I have a bad back. And of course it could look so much better than it actually doesI I want to do like a border around the inside of my fence, and I was going to do stones but now I'm going to do this. This will save my back!
Awesome work! I would have used the dirt for a couple of raised garden beds. Put in some small diameter logs to help fill in the bottom and give plants something to eat in the years to come and you easily have enough for two nice size garden beds. Also, I like to put a nice tarp in my truck bed before moving dirt or gravel, then I can ease out the load into a cart without having to shovel every scoop, just slide it out off the end of the tailgate. It also keeps my truck bed cleaner and doesn't get my tailgate all jammed up with stones and dirt. Thanks for posting this video 🥰
after watching more recent videos where this was in the background, and it looks like complete trash. Weeds and grass growing right through it and the entire product looks like cheap junk.
I really like the two tone paving. I never heard of those pavers so I'm glad to have stumbled on your video. I'm planning on a small backyard patio and don't care much for carrying a bunch of concrete pavers around and setting in place.
I like how you rented the plate compactor after doing it the hard way haha :) but I'm digging this series of projects with this house! Keep up the good work!
That’s what I was thinking, too, I feel like it doesn’t look good for the ground not to be a uniform material. If I lived in that house, it would bother me.
Spade shovels are designed to dig into and break up hard soil. Transfer shovels are designed to take the soil that the spade shovel broke up and transfer it. They can easily pick up and move twice the amount of soil, gravel, rocks, etcetera, that a spade shovel will.
This is dope, Fam, and incredibly helpful. I'm in the process of installing a patio in the back of my home and this is exactly what i needed to get started. Love the simply method you used to keep the sand even. I'll have to pay attention to the formula that you used...luckily, my space isn't as big (15'x15'), so it'll be a "fun" project for the evenings and weekend ahead. Thanks for taking the time to educate as you go. Excellent work!
Not when the company gives him the material and he makes a video ad for them without disclosing it and then casually mentions that they "sent over" material in the middle of the video as the only indication that its literally an ad.
898 comments...probably not the first to say this, but I'm not reading comments now. I wanted to add a word of what I think can make this the slightest bit easier. When using the PVC to level sand, work with the pitch. Work from house side of plot down to the low point. Less pressure on PVC when lightly pulling downhill can help with leveling. I might decrease the length of PVC 30-40% (6-7 ft) and move it more frequently for stability. Thanks for a great video MBI!!!! It really got me thinking about my backyard.
I just wanna say all the times I have dug out stuff by hand and everyone told me to rent a skidloader. I appreciate ya doing it the non bougie way! But now that built my own house by the in-laws I enjoy the fact they have a skid loader I can borrow :) Also want to say thanks for inspiring to go and build my own house. 2500sq ft main living area with a 1700sq ft garage built by me and a few buddies who helped. #courageandsweat
Came out great ! If you wanted to add a pergola or some type of covering after the fact, are you able to anchor it down to the pavers ? or how would you secure the structure to the ground?
That looks awesome, I love in how easy it was for the install. Great job!Question is how will it hold up under the sun? Even regular pavers need a sealant if you want them to last.
Nice, look forward to these vids in the house reno... as a fence builder I gotta say every vid I look at that dilapidated wood fence n wish I could fly out n build you a new one haha keep uo the great videos man 🤘🏾👹 place looks great
Just a little history on the papers. Originally called Vast paver. Developed by some guy in Minnesota. They are made of recycled tires. One of the early glitches was they used tires with whitewall. As the weathered the white rubber would be exposed. They fixed that. I have had their deck papers, cover a wood deck, for about 15 years. Looks the same as when my wife, 2 kids under 10, and I installed them. Originally their production was one guy in a rented storage garage. I was one of their first distributors. Sold most of them to retirement homes. Softer landing than clay or concrete. Nice video.
I have enjoyed the series. But, on this one I wish you had torn out the existing concrete patio. I know it would have been a lot more work, but you're going to regret in a couple of years. I guess the good thing is that you can easily pull up the pavers and somewhat easily do that in the future. Keep up the good work!
I was thinking the same thing. That old concrete looks horrible. It makes no sense to plop a new patio next to it. If the old concrete isn't going to be removed, it would look better if the new pavers were put over it.
@@sue2611 I don't think you people understand whats going on here. LOL... He didn't just decide to put in a $10,000 recycled tire paver patio. A Company approached him and offered him free materials and some money to do a video advertising their product to YOU. They do it because ya'll are honestly pretty gullible and a little naive. You'll pay more for those cheap plastic bricks than a finished concrete slab. This is really trash content and it pisses me off RUclips has just become a repository for trash content creators to make sponsored videos about more trash products and everyone is just like "oh yea that looks great bruhhhhh way to goooo" When it actually looks like what you'd expect recycled tires to look like for $12,000.
I've watched a few of these and I really want to do my own patio. A few things that for some reason just don't compute in my brain.... How do you make sure it's not all uneven when excavating and then adding material...just constantly check with a level while doing each layer?? Then how do you make sure theres a pitch, again just keep checking as you go? Im just picturing starting to put the grids down and it all being uneven how do you make sure its all pretty level
You could have marked a piece of wood to the depth you need, stake it in the ground on 4 corners & center to give you the reference of the depth, use a laser marker to make sure it's all even B4 laying any foundation layers. Just a thought
Next time instead of trying to spray the ground with regular spray they have ground marking spray paint, makes ot alot easier to make lines on the ground because the nozzle faces straight out from the can instead of to the side.
Does anyone have experience with using this and how sturdy or long something like this lasts? Also, do rocks ever get in the rest of of the lawn over time?
The pavers are $25 per sq ft?? LOL $25 for recycled material, its cheaper to do brick or stone. This guys patio here was over 10 grand in materials lol
@@destroy43exactly. I can only imagine how long that took with that tiller, having to recharge. My wife uses a Ryobi push mower with a single 40v in our fenced in back yard. If the grass is kept up, she can get it done on a single charge in 25 min +/-. If your behind at all and it's over grown a bit, battery dies in that same amount of time. I can only imagine the strain on a tiller. Had to take all day if not more. And for sure if Ryobi had a battery powered excavator he would have used one 😂
Nice job, but you should let your viewers know how much these things cost. As of 2/10/2024, $29.99 +tax for 8"X8" or (84 sq inch) for Aspire pavers? Your 16X25 patio = 57,600 sq inches divided by 84 sq inches = 686 sq inch pieces needed X $29.99 per piece = $20,573.14 X 6% sales tax (low end for most states) = $21,307.53 JUST FOR COST OF MATERIALS? And to put that behind a rental house that may be worth $200k? So you put more than 10% of the value of the house in synthetic pavers for the patio? Add in labor and your easily at $25k+. Did Aspire or Bravo pay you for this one or did they just give the pavers to you for free? Didn't see any full disclosure in your description. Looks great though, the patio, I mean. The house looks like a decent rental after your face lift job. All the best.
You’ve got a combination of bad math and bad info here. To start, 8x8 is 64 not 84. But that’s irrelevant because they are sold in 16” x 16” sections for $24.95 USD. That’s 256 sq in. 256/144 = 1.78 sq ft per unit. $24.95 / 1.78 sq ft = $14.02 per sq ft. 25 x 16 = 400 sq ft. Total cost is $14.02 x 400 = $5608. That is still expensive but not $20k. For reference, Home Depot’s website says the cost for one example of similarly sized pavers for 400 sq ft would be $1044 USD.
@@brucerudd69 Thanks for the correction. That was a quick run through with the numbers based on the web sight from what I could see on pricing. Still not worth it unless you have money to burn. All the best.
@@RealRadNek i get the whole pavers look nice thing but it would have been around the same amount of work to just do a slab yourself, honestly if your gonna rent all these tools, buy all the sand and rock you would have needed to mix and pour the slab anyway to "level" why not just rent a mixer and pour a slab yourself?
really great job! I have a question for you. I am thinking of getting rid of my big and long concrete driveway, will this material sustain the weight of an SUV, and a car?
The only thing I would have done differently is a plastic barrier under the base to prevent weeds from growing through base and through the pavers eventually.
@Cotronixco no it wouldn't, look up geotextile fabric and quit thinking you know everything. It let's water pass through but does not allow sediments through. Literally designed for applications such as this.
I appreciate all the comments. I like the idea here, but as noted by many... "Cost is King" and this product costs more than poured concrete. I also noted the grids seemed to be laid next to one another and no offset happened. It seems that would help keep the grid straight and provide for a great interlock no matter the pattern. Any thoughts on that? And could you use the polymeric sand at the edge band to lock them in while keeping the field available to adjust as needed down the road instead of caulking each. It looks real good and has a high DIY user efficiency and if cost were equal to finished stamped concrete I'd call this a win.
I hate to say it but so much of that looks wavy and uneven. The longevity of a patio is from a solid base and I'm not sure how well this is going to age.
What do you recommend for the eventual WEED growth in the sand around the deck? Maybe some type of Sealer that would reduce the weeds from growing up through?
This is a very cool product! Love the look can this been done as a driveway? This would be amazing for our Reno here in Toronto. Also, how does it stand up to snow, ice, and snow removal. Amazing work Alex.
Even little things like on my interlocking I use a torch to burn weeds and it works great on this you could never do that. Every few year I pressure washer and re sand it and it looks brand new again. I don't think this stuff could.hold up
Those pavers are fantastic. 95% recycled tires and the color is throughout the material. I've installed them as roof pavers. They are great to walk on barefoot and don't absorb heat like wood. But they are very expensive, +/- $10.00 a square foot for your contractor, you can figure his markup above that price. This doesn't include labor, a 25' x 16' patio could cost you possibly , $12,000 but you get a superior product, but they can be damaged, get extra., I'd compare the price of poured concrete first.
Who says that is a superior product? They are new and only time will tell. By the way they are over $15 sq ft with the matt plus the cost of the road base and sand/glue plus installation. So you would be looking at about $18000 +/- for the installation on a 25' x 16' patio. You can get traditional pavers, sand, road base and geogrid for about $5 per foot and get a 25' x 16' patio installed for about $6000 +/-. You are absolutely right about the poured concrete, for that kind of money concrete would be a no brainer.
Sound like a shill for the company selling them. Tires don't absorb heat now? LOLLLLLLLLLL If ANYONE pays $12,000 for a recycled shat plastic patio, they deserve more than losing $12,000 to junk. I bet you that patio would blow away in Florida, and if you get any type of standing water or minor floor your pavers will probably float away. This is total junk, and this video is junk. He neglects to mention he got paid to make this video and the materials were free and that it costs more than the concrete he said he couldn't "afford"
I extended my driveway a few years back. A couple of things I've noticed that would help any prospective DIY paver would be to first frame the area you are paving to your finished height. You can do that with some pin kerbs. That allows you to dip the area with a stting line so nothing is left to guess work. Secondly, screed rails need to be steel and of reasonable rigidity so as not to deviate from a level screed bed.
That’s what I’m thinking too. We poured a 24 x 16 pad over undisturbed dirt 7 years ago and still looks great. No cracks. Took less than a day total with very little work other than a tractor stripping off the sod. Tamping down and poured straight over. $1,400. That was 2017.
Yeah, when he started gluing the pavers down I immediately lost my interest that was already fading. This is definitely a sponsored type video. But oh well. Looking forward to doing a 10x12 soon myself. Struggling with debating to put gravel down first or not@@Platoface
You have dips because your base is poor. A hand tamper does nothing. Get a compactor plate and wet the base as you go. THEN level with leveling sand. Pavers are definitely easier to install than this because you are doing twice the work installing that mesh and then the fake brick on top. A child can install pavers, the real work is a proper base and leveling. I dont understand these because you're only limited to rectangular pieces and can't really customize around anything. Also i can put money on that thing springing like poorly installed plywood flooring because you'll have low spots everywhere all over that base within the first rainfall.
I don't think there is anything you can possibly do to make plastic bricks not look and feel cheap. IMO, it takes the whole project down a notch. I like the mesh bedding. They should sell clay tiles or bricks that notch into that. You did a nice job with it. Good video.
I liked it but this design would drive me nuts considering you didn't slide the whole pad over and left that gap on the right side. Would have been cool to see you incorporate that corner of the slab that was angled. But damn do I love a great solution to laying pavers on a grid like that.
Ha ha ha, ohhhh, what you said about needing a flat shovel and not going out and getting one...I felt that a little too much! Pavers came out looking nice, can't wait to see what else you have in store for the yard!
Tamping by hand is a great workout. You could charge yuppies to workout in your backyard and get your building surface prepped at the same time. When leveling, how do you control the slope for drainage?
Snow shovels are awesome for scooping the tilled soil. You might eventually wreck the snow shovel, but it’ll save so much time. Just get behind it and start walking.
PRO TIP: WAY GOO MUCH SAND!!! That will become an ANT HILL! Btw… Do not use sand, use granite chips. A little more expensive, fast prep, won’t settle, won’t attract ants and will dry out much faster. Sand is an old construction method that anyone doing quality work anymore doesn’t use. I wish these channels would vet some of their work ideas past someone who actually does the work. He’s passing himself off as a DIY PRO, but there is a wrong and a right way. Also, don’t use PVC. Use steel pipe. For how much money and time you are putting into a project like this don’t be a cheap ass. You want to be accurate with your prep.
100%…get rid of the sand and replace it with 3/8 crushed granite. Replace that road gravel base with 3/4 crushed granite. Will allow drainage and prevent heaving
Man, where was this system when I put pavers down over a 20x40 foot patio?? Looks great and if I have to do this again, I'll definitely check this system out!! THANK YOU for taking the time to show us this system!
Wow. Excellent, excellent job man! I've never seen this type of paver before, and I'm very impressed. You did a great job in installation and also in presentation. Again, great job and thanks for showing us this.
pro tip for anyone reading, PVC pipe for screed rails like that are too flexible. if you have any low spots/dips in your gravel base, you can inadvertently push the PVC screed pipes down into the dips, thus getting a dip in your screed layer. Spend the extra money on metal pipes for your screed rails, this isn't something you want to redo down the road.
Steel pipes❤
Wood flexes less than steel just get a 2x6
metal conduit is the cheapest and most effective screed pipe you can buy
@@MNhockeydude35cant always trust the wood to be as straight. If you get the 3/4 in pipe, and you take care of them and don’t beat on them too much. They won’t get ruined
@@MNhockeydude35 Wood can warp over time and also is not a smooth surface for the screed to slide over. A nice smaller cast iron or heavy gauge steel pipe 3/4" is ideal because you can hammer the screed pipe into place if it is too high with a rubber mallet.
Looks easy. 24 years ago I installed traditional pavers...Put down the road mix and sand. Had it all sloped away from house and ready to lay pavers the next morning. Well the next morning my daughters put our 2 yr old golden outside and you can guess what happened. I was not able to sufficiently repair the sand so from then on I have a low spot that collects water when it rains. That dog finished her journey about 10 years ago and her work remains. RIP Sunny.
may she rest in peace
RIP Sunny. We think about you daily💋
I'm a 68 year old woman who has absolutely no experience and needed to update my concrete patio. I ended up purchasing Snap together tiles which fit right over my concrete area No prep necessary. Took about an hour to complete the project. Looks awesome, couldn't be happier! Will leave
Sweat and labor to the dudes!
You go girl!!!
What are they called? Sounds interesting.
where did you get the snap together tiles?
Where did you get the tile from and what is the actual name of it
@@barbwilson6669 purchased from Wayfair online. Product sku code is YTCH1346 - 12" x 12" brown interlocking decktiles. Layed them on my concrete patio, they look great, and really easy to assemble .Mfg. is Yaheetech. Good Luck!
This is the nicest comment section I’ve seen for someone learning.
Exactly how it should be a couple people giving suggestions and others encouraging his hard work even if it’s not what they would’ve done
Exactly! The only people that don't make mistakes are those that don't do anything!! I learn something new everyday!!😊 Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
That looks exactly what it is. Aso called. Cheap plastic alternative... Buts not cheaper.. Won't last and looks crap.. All the work in block paving is in the prep.!.. You can it all twists and wobbles now!.. Emagive driving a truck over that it would not last 5 minutes!!.. And can you imagine stuck down plastic border lasting 15 years?? 😂😂Don't think so.. Lol
@@davieboy666 I wanted to comment on how bad of an idea this is and all wrong things but figured at the end of the day who cares? The people that don't know any better are the one you want to help but they are going to be the ones defending the guy getting paid to advertise this crap system
I’m getting tired just watching you work hard BUT my dream is to have a patio area that big and privacy fencing. I’m disabled and the money isn’t there to hire, so, I enjoy your projects and live through your videos. Thank you!
I pray someone will help you! 🙏
Future reference, spray a little water on the ground and let it soak in. Not enough to turn to mud but enough to soften up and will also help with dust control
great tip love doing this, makes the ground feel a lot more sturdy and more hard like cement
With dust and some wind you wouldn't even need the shovel and wheelbarrow
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Good call man.
Soak area with water 1 week prior.
When you said that you don't have the "budget for that", I was under the impression this would be cheaper than concrete. But at $26 per 16"X16" tile. Excluding the more expensive tiles for the edges.... I think the concrete is the more affordable option. Cool video and great job.
i think the biggest expense is labor and paying the concrete machine to bring it to you
Operative words were “don’t have the skill set” for the concrete.
That equates to $15 per sq ft for an unproven product that costs over 3X what a traditional concrete paver does.
Yep. I just went to the website and priced my 12x20 ft patio. -- $3600. I got a quote of $1200 for concrete. Hard pass for this, mate.
I mean they probably gave him they material
I like it ! Most people on the internet renovate Million $ houses most of us can't afford. You're right up my alley, sir ! THANKS
18 years of hardscape installation here. This was awesome! Great channel, keep up the great work. Couple of notes: Lay paver as you screed, you should only screed about two to four feet past what you lay. That way you can close up the screed each day and animals and rain can't ruin the screed. Tarp the unpaved area at night. Also the base needs 98% proctor density, so a rotating plate compactor is key. At least a 6-7k Lb cyclical downward force, like a small Weber or Wacker. Good luck on other projects. Also, keep your knees out of the screed sand or youll pre-compact the screed.
TY for sharing your expertise!🎉
Wish you had done the video, I like to see it done correctly.
Last year I used an easier system when I put patio pavers down in front of my front steps. (I actually took the old pavers up, dug up the base that had become partially eroded from water, put in a new base and this product, and replaced the pavers. I had fixed the water issue the previous year.) I used Brock PaverBase Panels. Each panel is approximately 5 square feet in area, different hardware chains have slightly different sized panels, that are laid on top of the sand and you place your choice of paving stones on top. Holes in the panel allow water to pass through. The biggest advantage is that they allow one to greatly reduce the amount of gravel base by three inches. Instead of digging down six inches one only needs to dig down three. Any force that would have caused a single paver to either sink down or be raised up before gets spread out across the panel. The edges of the panels are designed to overlap to provide more stability for the pavers. (One end and one side extend halfway on the top while the other sides extend on the bottom.) Cutting the panels is easy. The pavers I installed have gone through a Canadian winter and they still look as good as when I installed them. The cost of the panel is more than the gravel base it saves but I think that ease in installation and the virtual elimination of individual pavers rising or falling are more than worth the cost.
The best part of those panels are how easy it is to install pavers. Rather than being careful with laying each paver while NOT disturbing sand, you can 'slide' pavers in place.
What about downsides ?
I used an electric roto tiller to pave my backyard and it was so fun and easy. I’ve also used a roto tiller to run a water line to my pool area. Would till a small footprint and suck up loose dirt with a shop vac. The trench was so fast and easy to lay the pipe in a fraction of the time.
Was your soil loose like this? The ground is clay where I live and I wonder how effective it would be
@@JBB685 my trench wasn’t clay. I’m sure a tiller would take more time to get through hard clay.
@@JBB685 What would be a better option of a tool for clay?
@@MagicalEarthAngel4444 I'd still use a tiller to loosen it up and then a shovel to clear it. Depending on how long of a trench. In clay, with a long trench, renting a ditch-witch might be the way to go.
One of the best RYOBI commercials I've ever seen. :)
I've been all electric with all my yard tools for 4 years now. Never going back to gas again.
Was going to say, we know who the sponsor is 😂😂😂
That dirt was laughing at that battery powered POS. You can’t be serious.
How long does that battery tiller last? I can't imagine it is that long between battery charges.
@@enmodo Depends on the amp hours. But the problem is the cost of the batteries. A 6amp hour battery, probably 30-35 minutes if your bogging through tough soil. Great for a small place, but not really any place for commercial unless you tote around a battery farm that will cost you a $900. That's probably enough to cover the charging cycle time to rotate from dead to charged units. However, it is nice to not be throwing out noxious clouds while you work.
It's wonderful how user friendly the system is and makes it possible for a diyer to complete a small paving project over a weekend. Paying labor costs for a job like this often becomes the biggest expense, not the pavers, so to be able to do it yourself might make the difference between having a nicely paved area and not.
Thanks!
I was going to talk about that spade VS the flathead shovel, but you addressed that. Bro, I am dying. This guy is a natural.
You have a great attitude! Makes your video's easy to watch plus motivating! I'm looking forward to spring as I have a lot of landscaping to do.
I wish I knew about these 13yrs ago before my 4k patio was installed🤦
Nice clean look. Pretty cool... Thx for sharing
I looked into the price after this video and just for the blocks and the grid system it was $7000 that does not include the gravel, sand, tax, equipment, or anything else.
Couple of questions first one is if you don’t have used poly sand than how do you control the weeds that will grow in between the paver. Second is how much weight can the pave gold before it sink, and 3rd how well will it hold against the sun and fade and scratches. Love that it’s lightweight paver but will it hold overtime.
Also ants love to build in non-poly sand.
Vinegar on weeds.
You have to use rigid tubes for leveling, not pvc which are flexible. Once you achieve level between those 2 tubes then you do feather edge sand etc. If you use pvc then it flexes and never is even to echother , not mentioning level overall.
Compacter can slightly even out dents on the finished surface but will not do miricles. Bether start from as leveled surface as possible, before you lay crates
So you just completely made my day with his system. For the extra money it's well worth it. I last year did my own pavers doing a walk way all the way out to the fire pit and around. It took me so long because I have a bad back. And of course it could look so much better than it actually doesI I want to do like a border around the inside of my fence, and I was going to do stones but now I'm going to do this. This will save my back!
Awesome work! I would have used the dirt for a couple of raised garden beds. Put in some small diameter logs to help fill in the bottom and give plants something to eat in the years to come and you easily have enough for two nice size garden beds. Also, I like to put a nice tarp in my truck bed before moving dirt or gravel, then I can ease out the load into a cart without having to shovel every scoop, just slide it out off the end of the tailgate. It also keeps my truck bed cleaner and doesn't get my tailgate all jammed up with stones and dirt. Thanks for posting this video 🥰
Love the job! Be kind to each other. Stay safe. Love to all
Would love to see a follow up video in a year, very curious on how it will hold up.
Is this a flip or they keeping it? Will they even still have this in a year?
@@azehnder1has to be a flip. Most of the work is flip quality. Plus unless they would be downgrading.
it will be a nice weed garden without that barrier
I've seen this at a handful of customers homes and it doesn't hold up well.
after watching more recent videos where this was in the background, and it looks like complete trash. Weeds and grass growing right through it and the entire product looks like cheap junk.
I really like the two tone paving. I never heard of those pavers so I'm glad to have stumbled on your video. I'm planning on a small backyard patio and don't care much for carrying a bunch of concrete pavers around and setting in place.
I like how you rented the plate compactor after doing it the hard way haha :) but I'm digging this series of projects with this house! Keep up the good work!
Seems like those pavers would let a lot of water run through, which would move the sand p quickly. Interested to see how they hold up.
pavers hold up great if the job is done right. this job was done wrong from the start
No weed membrane? I skipped.
And plastic pavers … hot in the sun; no bare foot or pets on there.
@@Scoupe400
And cost a LOT!
3X over concrete pavers. And I'm not sure how long these thin little plastic tiles will last over time.
Why not take the pavers all the way to the sliding door over the concrete?
That’s what I was thinking, too, I feel like it doesn’t look good for the ground not to be a uniform material. If I lived in that house, it would bother me.
Probaby because of the cost. The same reason the windows/doors are not replaced sadly :(
Have you seen how expensive these are?
@@irnesvelic7467 he didn't buy them though, these things are all sponsored
It looks like a big blanket was laid out. Perfect for a picnic LOL 😂😂😂
Wouldn't you want to install the pergola first, then do the paver patio underneath?
Spade shovels are designed to dig into and break up hard soil.
Transfer shovels are designed to take the soil that the spade shovel broke up and transfer it. They can easily pick up and move twice the amount of soil, gravel, rocks, etcetera, that a spade shovel will.
This is dope, Fam, and incredibly helpful. I'm in the process of installing a patio in the back of my home and this is exactly what i needed to get started. Love the simply method you used to keep the sand even. I'll have to pay attention to the formula that you used...luckily, my space isn't as big (15'x15'), so it'll be a "fun" project for the evenings and weekend ahead. Thanks for taking the time to educate as you go. Excellent work!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those composite pavers going to be more expensive than the concrete pad that was out of your budget?
Not when the company gives him the material and he makes a video ad for them without disclosing it and then casually mentions that they "sent over" material in the middle of the video as the only indication that its literally an ad.
Not if you have a sponsor paying for all the materials and giving you money to make a video.... Duh
898 comments...probably not the first to say this, but I'm not reading comments now. I wanted to add a word of what I think can make this the slightest bit easier. When using the PVC to level sand, work with the pitch. Work from house side of plot down to the low point. Less pressure on PVC when lightly pulling downhill can help with leveling. I might decrease the length of PVC 30-40% (6-7 ft) and move it more frequently for stability. Thanks for a great video MBI!!!! It really got me thinking about my backyard.
I just wanna say all the times I have dug out stuff by hand and everyone told me to rent a skidloader. I appreciate ya doing it the non bougie way!
But now that built my own house by the in-laws I enjoy the fact they have a skid loader I can borrow :)
Also want to say thanks for inspiring to go and build my own house. 2500sq ft main living area with a 1700sq ft garage built by me and a few buddies who helped. #courageandsweat
How would this tiller work on clay rock-ridden TN soil? Wanting to level sand and pack for a top-ground pool with pavers around. Thanks!
That's the best use I've ever seen for a front pocket on a T Shirt!
It looks amazing. How about pressure washing it, did you try, can it be done?
"You know me, i don't do everything right the first time" lol, me either!
Came out great ! If you wanted to add a pergola or some type of covering after the fact, are you able to anchor it down to the pavers ? or how would you secure the structure to the ground?
That looks awesome, I love in how easy it was for the install. Great job!Question is how will it hold up under the sun? Even regular pavers need a sealant if you want them to last.
It looks AWESOME 👏
I love it..nicely done 👍🏾 ❤
Nice, look forward to these vids in the house reno... as a fence builder I gotta say every vid I look at that dilapidated wood fence n wish I could fly out n build you a new one haha keep uo the great videos man 🤘🏾👹 place looks great
Just a little history on the papers. Originally called Vast paver. Developed by some guy in Minnesota. They are made of recycled tires. One of the early glitches was they used tires with whitewall. As the weathered the white rubber would be exposed. They fixed that. I have had their deck papers, cover a wood deck, for about 15 years. Looks the same as when my wife, 2 kids under 10, and I installed them. Originally their production was one guy in a rented storage garage. I was one of their first distributors. Sold most of them to retirement homes. Softer landing than clay or concrete. Nice video.
Sorry.. pavers.
I have enjoyed the series. But, on this one I wish you had torn out the existing concrete patio. I know it would have been a lot more work, but you're going to regret in a couple of years. I guess the good thing is that you can easily pull up the pavers and somewhat easily do that in the future. Keep up the good work!
I was thinking the same thing. That old concrete looks horrible. It makes no sense to plop a new patio next to it. If the old concrete isn't going to be removed, it would look better if the new pavers were put over it.
Agreed!
@@sue2611 I don't think you people understand whats going on here. LOL... He didn't just decide to put in a $10,000 recycled tire paver patio. A Company approached him and offered him free materials and some money to do a video advertising their product to YOU. They do it because ya'll are honestly pretty gullible and a little naive.
You'll pay more for those cheap plastic bricks than a finished concrete slab.
This is really trash content and it pisses me off RUclips has just become a repository for trash content creators to make sponsored videos about more trash products and everyone is just like "oh yea that looks great bruhhhhh way to goooo"
When it actually looks like what you'd expect recycled tires to look like for $12,000.
I've watched a few of these and I really want to do my own patio. A few things that for some reason just don't compute in my brain.... How do you make sure it's not all uneven when excavating and then adding material...just constantly check with a level while doing each layer?? Then how do you make sure theres a pitch, again just keep checking as you go? Im just picturing starting to put the grids down and it all being uneven how do you make sure its all pretty level
This is one of those ideas that never took off. In the end no one wants a fake look brick.
Wow! Thanks for the video. Now I know to keep everything covered so animals won't disturb my work. Great job. It looks very nice.
Wonder how well they'll handle over time. Especially areas where it gets windy.
You put so much work into that, great job!
That was a ton of work!
Turned out great!
Yes and he said it was all easy. When you are 65 it is a chore.
So , you don’t need all the pre work you did before ? Can that be installed without gravel just by tilling and leveling the area a bit ?
You could have marked a piece of wood to the depth you need, stake it in the ground on 4 corners & center to give you the reference of the depth, use a laser marker to make sure it's all even B4 laying any foundation layers. Just a thought
This is so nice! You really made me feel like I could do this myself. Lol
Next time instead of trying to spray the ground with regular spray they have ground marking spray paint, makes ot alot easier to make lines on the ground because the nozzle faces straight out from the can instead of to the side.
Does anyone have experience with using this and how sturdy or long something like this lasts?
Also, do rocks ever get in the rest of of the lawn over time?
3:46 "this is way to much fun, it's like walking a pitbull" as my pittie decides to lay his head on my foot as he says pitbull 😂😂
I see a time savings and a consistency that might be higher, but what about cost?
The pavers are $25 per sq ft?? LOL $25 for recycled material, its cheaper to do brick or stone. This guys patio here was over 10 grand in materials lol
only he got it for free to try to sell you on it
I can get 2000 Flint Co. brick pavers for $100.
That can't be correct...high end tile is less that that.
@@susanlovesjava4961 Look at the website for yourself. It's $25 for 1.7 sq ft now..
How long until those pavers sink or pop-up because you didn't compact that sand, or because of freezing ground that thaws in the spring?
Excavator my friend! Would have been done in an hour for digging down the 6 inches. Also great at spreading the road mix & sand. Great video ❤
How you supposed to shill your ryobi products with an excavator?
@@destroy43exactly. I can only imagine how long that took with that tiller, having to recharge. My wife uses a Ryobi push mower with a single 40v in our fenced in back yard. If the grass is kept up, she can get it done on a single charge in 25 min +/-. If your behind at all and it's over grown a bit, battery dies in that same amount of time. I can only imagine the strain on a tiller. Had to take all day if not more. And for sure if Ryobi had a battery powered excavator he would have used one 😂
I loved that he put like 20lbs of plastic in his tractor to pull 15 feet away, could have carried more by hand faster lol.@@destroy43
Would these support the weight of an above ground pool on top of them?
Great job. Just the patio paver I was looking for. Thanks for sharing. Can you do an update in 1 year? What was the total cost in supplies?
Omg my Lego fantasy has come to life!!
would you not move the trees first?
And let's not focus on the half of the backyard fence that's missing too.
Great job, looks good. Can i use this material for an outside parking space?
Love the new patio, but I really would have loved to see it run to the foundation. Does that manufacturer have any firepit safe options?
You did this as hard as possible! 😂😂😂😂😂
Nice job, but you should let your viewers know how much these things cost. As of 2/10/2024, $29.99 +tax for 8"X8" or (84 sq inch) for Aspire pavers? Your 16X25 patio = 57,600 sq inches divided by 84 sq inches = 686 sq inch pieces needed X $29.99 per piece = $20,573.14 X 6% sales tax (low end for most states) = $21,307.53 JUST FOR COST OF MATERIALS? And to put that behind a rental house that may be worth $200k? So you put more than 10% of the value of the house in synthetic pavers for the patio? Add in labor and your easily at $25k+. Did Aspire or Bravo pay you for this one or did they just give the pavers to you for free? Didn't see any full disclosure in your description. Looks great though, the patio, I mean. The house looks like a decent rental after your face lift job. All the best.
Ridiculous. Obviously a paid video. (Didn’t have the budget for?)
You’ve got a combination of bad math and bad info here. To start, 8x8 is 64 not 84. But that’s irrelevant because they are sold in 16” x 16” sections for $24.95 USD. That’s 256 sq in. 256/144 = 1.78 sq ft per unit. $24.95 / 1.78 sq ft = $14.02 per sq ft. 25 x 16 = 400 sq ft. Total cost is $14.02 x 400 = $5608. That is still expensive but not $20k. For reference, Home Depot’s website says the cost for one example of similarly sized pavers for 400 sq ft would be $1044 USD.
@@brucerudd69 Thanks for the correction. That was a quick run through with the numbers based on the web sight from what I could see on pricing. Still not worth it unless you have money to burn. All the best.
@@RealRadNek i get the whole pavers look nice thing but it would have been around the same amount of work to just do a slab yourself, honestly if your gonna rent all these tools, buy all the sand and rock you would have needed to mix and pour the slab anyway to "level" why not just rent a mixer and pour a slab yourself?
Thank you for this information! That's a prohibitive cost. Concrete is less expensive!
really great job! I have a question for you. I am thinking of getting rid of my big and long concrete driveway, will this material sustain the weight of an SUV, and a car?
The only thing I would have done differently is a plastic barrier under the base to prevent weeds from growing through base and through the pavers eventually.
It wouldn't help much anyway, weed seeds blow into the crevices from above.
That would certainly mess with the drainage.
@Cotronixco no it wouldn't, look up geotextile fabric and quit thinking you know everything. It let's water pass through but does not allow sediments through. Literally designed for applications such as this.
@@ryanplemoine OP said plastic
@@ryanplemoine You said plastic barrier, not geotextile fabric. Learn to write and learn to read.
I appreciate all the comments. I like the idea here, but as noted by many... "Cost is King" and this product costs more than poured concrete. I also noted the grids seemed to be laid next to one another and no offset happened. It seems that would help keep the grid straight and provide for a great interlock no matter the pattern. Any thoughts on that? And could you use the polymeric sand at the edge band to lock them in while keeping the field available to adjust as needed down the road instead of caulking each. It looks real good and has a high DIY user efficiency and if cost were equal to finished stamped concrete I'd call this a win.
I hate to say it but so much of that looks wavy and uneven. The longevity of a patio is from a solid base and I'm not sure how well this is going to age.
I agree, this looks like a pile of garbage that needs redone next year.
What do you recommend for the eventual WEED growth in the sand around the deck? Maybe some type of Sealer that would reduce the weeds from growing up through?
This is a very cool product! Love the look can this been done as a driveway? This would be amazing for our Reno here in Toronto. Also, how does it stand up to snow, ice, and snow removal. Amazing work Alex.
in cold climates I myself would not spare the expense and go with more robust solution that lasts
i would absolutely avoid this with southern ontario, especially so close to the lake. I would do stamped concrete instead.
I would anticipate you would regret this after 1 winter season or 2
Thanks for all the replies! I agree the freezing and thawing of the ground would cause a ton of disturbance.
Even little things like on my interlocking I use a torch to burn weeds and it works great on this you could never do that. Every few year I pressure washer and re sand it and it looks brand new again. I don't think this stuff could.hold up
Just bought 1,100 pavers . (They were on sale).. I have an area almost as big as this. And you gave me an idea on what to build. Thank you
Those pavers are fantastic. 95% recycled tires and the color is throughout the material. I've installed them as roof pavers. They are great to walk on barefoot and don't absorb heat like wood. But they are very expensive, +/- $10.00 a square foot for your contractor, you can figure his markup above that price. This doesn't include labor, a 25' x 16' patio could cost you possibly , $12,000 but you get a superior product, but they can be damaged, get extra., I'd compare the price of poured concrete first.
Who says that is a superior product? They are new and only time will tell. By the way they are over $15 sq ft with the matt plus the cost of the road base and sand/glue plus installation. So you would be looking at about $18000 +/- for the installation on a 25' x 16' patio. You can get traditional pavers, sand, road base and geogrid for about $5 per foot and get a 25' x 16' patio installed for about $6000 +/-. You are absolutely right about the poured concrete, for that kind of money concrete would be a no brainer.
Could you use it as a driveway? Would weight of cars be too much? Just wondering!
Sound like a shill for the company selling them. Tires don't absorb heat now? LOLLLLLLLLLL
If ANYONE pays $12,000 for a recycled shat plastic patio, they deserve more than losing $12,000 to junk.
I bet you that patio would blow away in Florida, and if you get any type of standing water or minor floor your pavers will probably float away.
This is total junk, and this video is junk. He neglects to mention he got paid to make this video and the materials were free and that it costs more than the concrete he said he couldn't "afford"
@@markadler8968 Yeah, at $25 for a 16x16 grid, they are WAY too expensive and will probably disintegrate within 5 years, like most recycled materials.
I extended my driveway a few years back. A couple of things I've noticed that would help any prospective DIY paver would be to first frame the area you are paving to your finished height. You can do that with some pin kerbs. That allows you to dip the area with a stting line so nothing is left to guess work. Secondly, screed rails need to be steel and of reasonable rigidity so as not to deviate from a level screed bed.
This somehow seems like more work than concrete
That’s what I’m thinking too. We poured a 24 x 16 pad over undisturbed dirt 7 years ago and still looks great. No cracks. Took less than a day total with very little work other than a tractor stripping off the sod. Tamping down and poured straight over. $1,400. That was 2017.
Yeah, when he started gluing the pavers down I immediately lost my interest that was already fading. This is definitely a sponsored type video. But oh well. Looking forward to doing a 10x12 soon myself. Struggling with debating to put gravel down first or not@@Platoface
Oh boy.... Another Roybi tool i want to get! That made your job so much easier.
You have dips because your base is poor. A hand tamper does nothing. Get a compactor plate and wet the base as you go. THEN level with leveling sand. Pavers are definitely easier to install than this because you are doing twice the work installing that mesh and then the fake brick on top. A child can install pavers, the real work is a proper base and leveling. I dont understand these because you're only limited to rectangular pieces and can't really customize around anything. Also i can put money on that thing springing like poorly installed plywood flooring because you'll have low spots everywhere all over that base within the first rainfall.
You're comment taught me more than this whole video. Thank you.
This is a such cool system..I had no idea...
I don't think there is anything you can possibly do to make plastic bricks not look and feel cheap. IMO, it takes the whole project down a notch. I like the mesh bedding. They should sell clay tiles or bricks that notch into that. You did a nice job with it. Good video.
I came to see if anyone had said this. Even on video it looks plastic-y. I would never… but I see lots of vinyl fences, so clearly some don’t care.
Can this be put in top of concrete around an in ground pool??
I liked it but this design would drive me nuts considering you didn't slide the whole pad over and left that gap on the right side. Would have been cool to see you incorporate that corner of the slab that was angled. But damn do I love a great solution to laying pavers on a grid like that.
This is an inspiring video! Thanks! What’s the name of the black grids? Where are they available?
i would recommend a polymeric sand that firms up with water after tamping its more durable and erosion resistant, holds up longer than just sand.
He addressed this in the video. Polymeric sand is not advisable, per the manufacturer.
I wonder how well it holds up in sunny climates? Sun fade, curling, buckling, delaminating etc...
Looks really nice. What's the price comparison between these and traditional pavers?
seems like these are $25-30 USD per 16x16 unit.
Ha ha ha, ohhhh, what you said about needing a flat shovel and not going out and getting one...I felt that a little too much! Pavers came out looking nice, can't wait to see what else you have in store for the yard!
Basically just watched a 30 minute aspire paver commercial, neat. Did you pay for the materials or were you given these? Straight shillin’
Tamping by hand is a great workout. You could charge yuppies to workout in your backyard and get your building surface prepped at the same time. When leveling, how do you control the slope for drainage?
You can’t fault his work ethic, or his determination.. but he makes so many poor choices.
Agreed! But he is learning. Used to be a medical professional
What were some of his mistakes?
That tiller is worthless. He must be getting commission's from Ryobi
Snow shovels are awesome for scooping the tilled soil. You might eventually wreck the snow shovel, but it’ll save so much time. Just get behind it and start walking.
PRO TIP: WAY GOO MUCH SAND!!! That will become an ANT HILL! Btw… Do not use sand, use granite chips. A little more expensive, fast prep, won’t settle, won’t attract ants and will dry out much faster. Sand is an old construction method that anyone doing quality work anymore doesn’t use.
I wish these channels would vet some of their work ideas past someone who actually does the work. He’s passing himself off as a DIY PRO, but there is a wrong and a right way. Also, don’t use PVC. Use steel pipe. For how much money and time you are putting into a project like this don’t be a cheap ass. You want to be accurate with your prep.
100%…get rid of the sand and replace it with 3/8 crushed granite. Replace that road gravel base with 3/4 crushed granite. Will allow drainage and prevent heaving
CAN THAT ASPIRA PAVER BY BRAVO BE LAID OVER AN OLD CRACKED PATIO TO MAKE IT MORE UNIFORM AND WALKABLE LEVEL LIKE?
anyone else see the one line of grid not lined up?
Man, where was this system when I put pavers down over a 20x40 foot patio?? Looks great and if I have to do this again, I'll definitely check this system out!! THANK YOU for taking the time to show us this system!
Wow. Excellent, excellent job man! I've never seen this type of paver before, and I'm very impressed. You did a great job in installation and also in presentation. Again, great job and thanks for showing us this.
Why do I feel like this should be last
Nice work. Wouldn’t call that easy but nice!
Why no geotextile cloth weed barrier?