@tiphu You said that "100% of pro bodybuilders use steroids or HGH or both", this is NOT true. I am an ALL Natural Body Builder and have competed in All Natural Bodyl Building shows. If you look up the WNBF or it's amatuer division INBF you will see that those guys are the real deal. Maybe in order to compete for Mr. O you need to take roids, but when you say that 100% pro bodybuilders use roids then you should check your facts.
Lol if every pro bodybuilder takes steroids, then really there's no difference between natural and pro bodybuilding contest, except for the fact that pro bodybuilders will look like freaks compared to natural bodybuilders. It's still hella hard to compete in either one, and i'm pretty sure he'll still be pretty big if he was natural, just not as big. No scrawny little kid who rarely works out can take steroids and go from 120 lbs to 280 lbs.
"death grip" actually hits your chest harder because it helps take your triceps out of the press. Even with small hands it's easy to control the bar with that grip. Try it and you are guaranteed to feel it in your chest more.
If you can replicate his form and volume to a tee, then you can talk, but Kai's form is near perfection. He makes better gains than you because he completely stretches and flexes his muscles and he completely isolates the body part he is intending to train. Sure, you may do the same weight, but you're incorporating other muscles because you merelywant to get the weight up. He can use BS form and do tons of weight, but he doesn't have an ego getting in his way.
this guy is destined to win a mr. o. i never seen anybody dedicate their life so much for something they love. i saw one vid of where he lives and it is nothing compared to cutlers home. he is livinng basically off of BB. he is an inspiration to all BB and regular people striving to reach their goals in life. oh yeah, BTW. gr8 vid.
Oscar having Kai go for heavy sets just weeks before Olympia? Doesn't look smart to me. Why train for strength when it's a bodybuilding contest? Doesn't target hypertrophy and risks injury. Makes sense Kai dropped Oscar.
lmao dude, he could probably be benching 7-8 platees if he wanted to, you just know the way he trains, he is more focussed on contracting his muscles for maximum muscle growth, he doesn't care about the amount of weight, go read a book or something
a guy at my gym benches 160kg, only 45lbs less than kai here yet that guy got no chest , nuthin.. fuck wow! it cant be genetics, its gotta be the training style.. strength vs muscle size
Can anyone tell me what the difference between enclosing the bar with your hands to having it half way closed (no support) from thumb? Need understood the two hand grips
He didn't bench 5 plates ... On his own he had help notice his partner didn't help him with 1 plate 2 plate 3 plates 4 plates that's because he could bench those
oh youre so lost my man its seems you dont have any idea as BB always say:Weight is just secondary As you say He's weak? so you just define weakness in lifting a certain weight? you are so wrong dude if you cant go to the gym,then you're weak! if you cant diet,then you're weak! if you dont see gains,and quit,then you are weak if you cheat/jerk you reps,then you're weak and you stay weak!if you dont surround yourself with positive thoughts its not about the weight my friend its about DEDICATION
its all subjective you know? the way he prefers to feel his muscles contract is relative to the weight he uses, and that is his choice. bro, bodybuilders are all strong because you do need certain standard of strength to reach a certain standard of size, and once you get to that standard of strength you can push and pull in whatever way you want. heavy or light. kai chooses light most of the time. its what he likes. go check out ronnie bro, he goes heavy. why? cuz he fucking wants too :P
Actually "bodybuilding" by definition is all about aesthetics. It's about how you shape and mold your body, not the weight or your strength. Why do you think a competiton in bodybuilding is up on a stage getting looked at, not a bench max competition or a squat or deadlift competition? Because bodybuilding actually IS all about the muscle. If you want strength, you have powerlifting. As hard as it is to realize, muscle doesn't equate to strength in a fixed ratio.
Quick comment here, Kai Greene is 8% body fat if you payed any attention to his mentor in the video, he's 308lbs of hard, cut, toned and well earned muscles, he has a bulging six pack with water ripples at 308lbs, most people who aren't body builders have a cheeseburger looking gut, Kai Greene is a committed individual who is one of the best in his sport, who cares if he takes supplements ?
@N722DK Listen up mate, i know thing more than you do. I have been training in the gym for 2-3 years thou i do not take roids. So, let me ask you something. when you said i do not know shit about what it takes to train like him so do you? Do you even know why and how does gym exist? And why is there body builders around? If you freaking do not know anything do not talk back to me. Have some common sense kid.
i loves kai's outfit...hat.hoodie,compresion pants and boxing shoes....the gym is ment to build muscle not show it off...i feel the same way your in own zone and kno the way you look underneith it....its a BIG mental game and i think when u cant see your body you wanna work harder during the workout because you cant see it change and swell during the workout wich makes you work that much harder.......kai in my opion is a very very underated bodybuilder and is just on the outside of winning mr o
@youngsurvivor lol that is one of the dumbest things i have ever heard. bench pressing will NOT give u a hunched back AT ALL. UNLESS you arch your back like no tmr. a slight arch or a "powerlifting arch" is fine. dont wry about it and no dont give up your benching keep doing it! :D oh and btw, if that was true, then the 98% of ppl in the entire world who bench press and touch their chest wit the bar, would have a hunched back which never happened.
Spotting someone dose not mean lifting the weight for them. It means being ready to grab the weight if they have a problem of any kind. Struggling some doesnt qualify as a problem its just a normal part of training. If it was an issue of ijnury prevention then he could just use less weight. Anyhow this is not what it seems to be for it looks more like lack of good reasoning! If he can lift the weight on his own in good for then that means hes strong enough so injury is unlikely.
Getting big and strong merely requires intense dedication and commitment. By the way, using protein shakes and supplements has nothing whatsoever to do with using steroids. If you're stupid enough to believe otherwise, then no wonder you'll always be a wimp. PS - I'm pretty small myself, but I don't make excuses. I take responsibility for my lack of commitment, not to mention my pesky smoking & drinking habits.
@HEYIMATANK ....you should know that age has very little to do with potential....I will correct myself. Kai Greene is currently changing the future, and when i say future, I mean Mr. O and most bodybuilders who won are in their mid 30's. Phil is already 30, dennis is 32, brandon and evan are 2 and 28 respectively so age really has very little to do with someone being "the future". All Trey Brewer needs is a proper trainer, he is only 25 and has achieved crazy mass so I wouldn't rule him out.
@APArawDeadlifter So I'm a moron trollhunter ? HAHA. I'm not the one who has my spotter making me look like "I need help" ( even tho we both know he doesn't ). Point is, if the guy is throwing the weight around fairly easy, STAY AWAY FROM THE BAR. This isn't Powerlifting where he is going for 1-4 reps. I spot my workout partner all the time, and I NEVER touch the bar except on liftoff, I can tell when he is gonna hit failure pretty much, and I just let him go til he cant go no more ....
WHY are the spotters even touching the bar when the lifter is lifting ??? I understand the liftoff, but spotters should NEVER touch the bar UNLESS the guy benching hits a sticking point OR asks the guy to "stay with me", but DON'T TOUCH THE BAR unless he hits failure. Damn, amateur spotting. Its more than just throwing heavy weight around - I would get rid of them spotters or teach them to liftoff, then leave alone unless a sticking point is hit ! DAMN !
Ronnie wouldn't challenge if he came back. Vic will be back to his best by then, and the olympia is about the whole package, not just mass anymore, so he has the aesthetics over kai, just depends if vic gets that conditioning that was absent at the arnold. As for Jay, he is trying to come in around 250 which I think could be risky as alot of his points come from mass as opposed to symmetry and conditioning- i mean he won day 2 last year and that was cos he lost all that water overnight
the grip where you dont enclose the bar with your thumb is called "suicide grip". If you dont have complete control over the barbell using that grip, it might fall out of your hands pouncing down on your throat, killing you. Some people feel that they can get a better contraction and a cleaner movement pattern by using that grip. The other grip is just a normal grip
And also, the supplements he does take is to purely support his body weight, ideally with weight you need extra supplements/vitamins/nutrients to make up for the food that is IMPOSSIBLE to safely eat in a day. For all else who know nothing about lifting, or building mass, please don't say anything because I die a little when a rookie thinks he knows something clever.
@xTheFormlessOne1 Indeed it's true that people need different things to grow(in forms of weight, reps, sets and exercises) But people on youtube very(very!) often try to preach about how if you're not 100% perfect in form, you're doing wrong and/or if someone is getting mass without perfect form, they're automatically on steroids.. just sayin'
STAY NATURAL, PEOPLE. a normal human being shouldn't look like these professional bodybuilders look. I am 6'2" and 250 and I have never even taken a suppliment in my life. right after Brain surgery, in three months, I went from 225 to 250. i Will not take steroids and I will be happy because there dangerous and horrific side effects to taking steroids.
Whats wrong with these guys? No matter what level there at theres no explanation for touching the bar while someone is lifting. If they are able to do the reps on their own why touch the bar? All they are doing is cheating themselves and losing confidence in lifting the weight instead of building confidence.
I hate when people stop everything they're doing in the gym and start staring at you like an idiot while you lift. If I was as big as Kai Greene I would probably only train in the real hardcore gyms where only serious individuals train and don't have time to be watching other people work hard while they take a 30 minute "break" between "sets" lol.
thats a good spotter, all too often you see spotters letting the bar stop... that what messes up muscle stimulation and puts you into unecessary failure... the bar should keep moving so the chest keeps getting stimulated. when the bar stops half way and your fighting it that does not help with growth at all and messes your SET up.
@mandora45 Well I honestly have not met Jay. I was going based off what other pros said about him. I do prefer Kai as I said. Jay's past his prime and when someone is past their prime they have to have something exceptional about to stand out and jay does nothing but train like a little girl lately and promote his lame clothing line.
@HEYIMATANK yeah, but that doesn't give any indication of how strong you are, couse i bet he can bench 5 plates alot easier than you can! relativ strenght isn't the same as toatl strenght. so you can't call him not strong, becouse 5 plates is hella much and just becouse he is heavy, that doesn't make him any less strong.
Kai has been around for a long time in the natural arena since a young age. He cleaned house there and now he's banging in out with the pros. It's just to bad he doesn't fit the criteria of a Mr. Oylmpia. He is the best out there, all around. Just getting a bum rap. Shoudl've been more carefull what he did outside of bb world. Much respect ... your awesome bud!
@ilkkavu: wow dude..what gave you that idea? This guy just every other athlete at a professional level, goes through rigorous training, eating, and sleeping regiments to ensure peak performance. The only reason I can find that you might have said something like this is because you've tried and failed miserably. Sorry its not for everybody......
Man thats some decent weight and everything but idk why the man is crying about losing the O. I mean cmon u really cant expect to win the first time around. Not even Heath expected to win in '08 and look how happy he was with 3rd. I think Kai is alitle trik for crying. He got 4th thats like freakn amazing right
As for phil, would be interesting to see what the yr off has done for that rapidly developing freak. And dex, always cut, can he add another 5 or so pounds- would make him a true fav. And wolf - after he had those injuries prior to last years show meaning he didnt come out his best, hope he has finally gone away and worked on those weak parts, but still not a real contender:
he's way taller for one.. he could be bigger if he were a bodybuilder. bigger doesn't mean stronger, bodybuilders train for volume, not strength. Ronnie Coleman is one of the strongest bodybuilders, yet he would not be able to compete in a power lifting meet, he'd get outclassed in every category
If you were a huge fan you'd know how poor he was. Back then, it really was the best option for him because he really needed the money to compete. Even now he refuses to buy a car and chooses to live in the projects because he's the most humble guy you'll ever know.
@dan13718 Well pal, supplements are necessary for those people that due to their physical activity require an additional intake of nutrients to build their bodies. For those people that can't do a push up well they don't need that additional boost. I'm guessing you're the latter
@xTheFormlessOneIGF1 and because of that bodybuilding also doesn't count as sport that involves strength, you need strength but it's not the goal, powerlifting is counted as one of those, body building is just about looks that's why it isn't an actual sport to begin with
Guys on roids' and HGH are like night and day. Point: Take a look at ANY pro at his best before he touched "the stuff", then look at him after several years of doing it. Like night and day man. You don't have to have great genetics, look at Rich Gaspari.
@StraightDooDoo If your pecs are sore, then you are doing something right ;). Forget about decline and the fancy stuff. Go to basics, flat, incline and maybe flies and thats about it for the chest. Eat a lot and rest, and leave the ego at the door, you will get big ;)
Yeah exactly he couldn't do 5 plates but he's the world's strongest bb-Hell no. yeah he can really free weight squat and deadlift but he's not doing anything near the level of what Ronnie Coleman was doing and I don't think he can do what Kai is doing he's a great bodybuilder but to me he is overrated!
Honestly I don't think Phil is gonna take it he will easily make top 5 this year, but I think 1st is gonna be between Jay and Kai and Victor. I just think they know how to peak a bit better then Jackson and a few others. The only person I could say that has a better chance then Jay is Dennis.
I think Victor Martinez will be ahead of Jay. The odds are in Dex's favour to repeat because we all know to beat the champ you have to really knock him out especially when it comes to the olympia. I really feel Jay was lucky to get 2nd last year he was way off his best. Count down is on!!!!
@leftpuman erm, nutrition is very important, yeah, you wanna get about 1 hour excersise in. Sleep is very important too. My philosophy is 1.diet 2.sleep 3. training... you wanna try to eat on time though. whey shake (quick protein)during breakfast, with good cereal/fruit for carbs. some carbs before a workout too, make sure you get some whey after a workout followed by a good meal, then before bed make sure u get some slow absorbing protein for the night, like some meat or time realease shakes
You know, I think it's just Kai being strong, I mean he uses big weights for us, that are not necessarily big lifts for him. He can use say 400lbs bench with control and feel, but this 400lbs would be, say 1 strained rep for us.
@triggersprollie great go back too arnold. back in his day (1970's) "this guy" arnold was considered a freak monster too. haters comparing him too Steve Reeves. like you comparing Kai too arnold. haters then.....haters now. you are no different.
@cheemooo because doing that many sets for reps take a tole mentally so he need his mentor to be with him at all times. even if he not really helping its what Kai needs to push harder. if you cant focus with a spotter then don't use a spotter simple
@cheemooo Yeah that really pisses me off too. Clearly Kai is strong enough to handle reps with 5 plates on his own so why is that clown spotting him putting his hands all over the bar? It kills my bench workouts if a spotter does that.
@tiphu No shit bro, and genetics has nothing to do with the way your body will come out if you take teh right suppliments and eat healthy and hit the gym hard. u can still get to where u wanna be and more without the best genetics
Guys on roids' and HGH are like night and day. Point: Take a look at ANY pro at his best before he touched "the stuff", then look at him after several years of doing it. Like night and day man. You don't have to have great genetics, look at Rich Gaspari.
@StraightDooDoo train your chest once a week eat alot of carbs and 1.5g of protein per pound of ur body fat. i would try doing close grip bench for a week, then wide grip for a week, rotate between that a few times. i had big gains from it.
so should you do each muscle group once a week , because i am def overtraining right now. like say day1-chest,back day2-traps,abs day3-bis,tris,shoulders, day4-legs then how many days should i rest before i start the cycle again ?? please let me know
This years Olympia is going to be a dog fight, with all this guys like Kai , victor, Phil, jay( trying to get his crown back), dexter and the like's of coleman talking about coming back!!??? there is going to be blood on that stage man , BET ON IT .
Haha you think he is weak? Look up the video of him shoulder pressing 4 plates then dropping it to 3 then 2 then 1. He is the exact opposite of weak. And considering strength isn't even his goal yet he is able to lift this heavy, I find that very fucking impressive. Besides, you can't knock somebody who is second best in the world at their sport..
This might come off as a very stupid question but am really new to the bodybuiling world. Why do bench press spotters lift the weight (assisting the guy benching) with their forearms instead of their hands?
He uses as much weight as he can, without sacrificing his form. "bodybuilders contract the muscle under increasing amounts of resistance" they dont just move the weights around, not matter how light or heavy.
Honestly, it is not hard to get the training like kai Greene used to. He took Steroids and many other kinds of vitamins pills and sort of eggs... and he has been training in the gym for at least more than 6 years.
idk about yall but if i dont do incline first then i wont be able to go heavy or make it worth while so i do incline first the flat after flat might hurt a little but not as bad if i did flat first and incline.
@kingsprott LMAO NO CONTEST! fast foods and obesity it's insane and it's speading all over word because the U.S fast food franchies are all over the world along with there sedentary life style. scary stuff.
everyone knows the pro use steroids. He was one of the biggest naturals in the world then started taking roids aroud the early 2000s ( 2004 i think). They take steroids to increase their test. to unnatural levels.
anyways like you said, what a dog fight with other names including RUHL!!!! WARREN!! and the new york pro 09 champ. Best list since the 1998 Mr O with coleman, ray, levrone, dilet, nassar, flex, cormier and others
@Pedz5657 nothing really... Its light so they dont actually need to incorporate their lower body strength into lifting. Now when it starts to get really heavy, you need to put your foot down flat and use a little bit of your lower body like the legs to help push the weight up.
Yes,his form is perfect and yes,he make better gains because of that.But that is not what i am talking about.There are many smaller but way stronger bodybuilders which have good proportions and symmetry.
not really. professional bodybuilders put so much muscle on as they can but they are also limited by their genetics as any other human. derek poundstone is just other bodied, he is a giant.
Of all the countries in the world, only three backwaters still use the archaic Imperial system of weights and measures. Liberia, Burma and the United States of America. Ignorance much, bro?
Yes,I understand.But if you are that big you are usually strong. Other bodybuilders his size are very strong.Just take a look at ronnie coleman videos and you will see what I am talking about.
@bobharrisa I tried this workout in my new routine, i got such a good workout from the pre-exhausting flyes I will probably incorporate something like this every time i create a new workout.. IMO anyway
@Cooiepwns its an isolation technique many bodybuilders use, its supposed to take the stress off of the forearms im pretty sure to help isolate the chest more, dangerous but badass at the same time
@vallo220 I TOTALY agree with you my friend, i try to press 315 once upon a time and i think i blew my kidneys out my ass onto the gym floor man LOL. Some guys are just TOOOOO frigging strong!?!!!.
"as you can see right now, hes warming up with 3 plates" must be nice
@6reevesy9 Its not really ocd. I tend to do that many times too, just because the plates look so much more beautiful all lined up and legit haha
Dudes in the back were mirin hard.
5 plate bench
...VERR NICEEEE.
since when is 495 for reps weak?
One of my favorite training sessions to watch.I remember back in the day I would watch this video everytime I'll train chest.
This man deserves to be Mr. Olympia. He's been robbed too many times. I admire the dedication. Keep it up Kai!
@tiphu You said that "100% of pro bodybuilders use steroids or HGH or both", this is NOT true. I am an ALL Natural Body Builder and have competed in All Natural Bodyl Building shows. If you look up the WNBF or it's amatuer division INBF you will see that those guys are the real deal. Maybe in order to compete for Mr. O you need to take roids, but when you say that 100% pro bodybuilders use roids then you should check your facts.
3:05 "getting ready for the heavy resistance" with 3 plates on each side. Your fucking kidding me.......
Lol if every pro bodybuilder takes steroids, then really there's no difference between natural and pro bodybuilding contest, except for the fact that pro bodybuilders will look like freaks compared to natural bodybuilders. It's still hella hard to compete in either one, and i'm pretty sure he'll still be pretty big if he was natural, just not as big. No scrawny little kid who rarely works out can take steroids and go from 120 lbs to 280 lbs.
Not to many bodybuilders are benching heavy like this anymore
Nothing more I hate than someone touching the bar when they don’t need to
How is 4 and 5 plate bench press weak? I never saw Ronnie put up any more than 5 plates!
let me get this right
when he's benching 5 plates each sides
its like 490 lbs?
315 for 10 reps, made it look like he was warming up with the bar
@MASKOAA I will never eat a banana again....thx you for that lol
KAI DOSENT NEED GLOVES BENCHING 4 OR 5 PLATES!
He reps those 3 plates like nothing! I can barely do 2 plates
be funny if at 1:49, he's like "okey doke... done."
"death grip" actually hits your chest harder because it helps take your triceps out of the press. Even with small hands it's easy to control the bar with that grip. Try it and you are guaranteed to feel it in your chest more.
He just did 405 8 times? Hes strong as fuck...
benching 5 plates is "very" weak?:o
love how his warm up set on the bench is my 1 rep max
it's funny, when i'm by myself, 315 is massive. but when i watch him do it, i'm like "man, that's it? get back to lifting 495 bitch!"
Its a joke how easy he does 3 plates!!
kai has to be traini ng like this if he comes to mr o in 2019
wow 4 reps for 220 kg impressive
congrats to Kai Greene on the Arnold Classic win!...a very nice accomplishment and a very nice speech
If you can replicate his form and volume to a tee, then you can talk, but Kai's form is near perfection. He makes better gains than you because he completely stretches and flexes his muscles and he completely isolates the body part he is intending to train. Sure, you may do the same weight, but you're incorporating other muscles because you merelywant to get the weight up. He can use BS form and do tons of weight, but he doesn't have an ego getting in his way.
"As you can see he's warming up with 3 plates."
hahaha no big deal.... LOL
this guy is destined to win a mr. o. i never seen anybody dedicate their life so much for something they love. i saw one vid of where he lives and it is nothing compared to cutlers home. he is livinng basically off of BB. he is an inspiration to all BB and regular people striving to reach their goals in life.
oh yeah, BTW. gr8 vid.
Oscar having Kai go for heavy sets just weeks before Olympia? Doesn't look smart to me. Why train for strength when it's a bodybuilding contest? Doesn't target hypertrophy and risks injury. Makes sense Kai dropped Oscar.
I met him in 2010 here in San Antonio at the lackland classic as a guest poser signed my hat very humble guy
lmao dude, he could probably be benching 7-8 platees if he wanted to, you just know the way he trains, he is more focussed on contracting his muscles for maximum muscle growth, he doesn't care about the amount of weight, go read a book or something
@6reevesy9 HAha I do that!
a guy at my gym benches 160kg, only 45lbs less than kai here yet that guy got no chest , nuthin.. fuck wow! it cant be genetics, its gotta be the training style.. strength vs muscle size
Can anyone tell me what the difference between enclosing the bar with your hands to having it half way closed (no support) from thumb? Need understood the two hand grips
He didn't bench 5 plates ... On his own he had help notice his partner didn't help him with 1 plate 2 plate 3 plates 4 plates that's because he could bench those
stronger than some powerlifters in his weight. respect!
oh youre so lost my man
its seems you dont have any idea
as BB always say:Weight is just secondary
As you say
He's weak?
so you just define weakness in lifting a certain weight?
you are so wrong dude
if you cant go to the gym,then you're weak!
if you cant diet,then you're weak!
if you dont see gains,and quit,then you are weak
if you cheat/jerk you reps,then you're weak
and
you stay weak!if you dont surround yourself with positive thoughts
its not about the weight my friend
its about DEDICATION
its all subjective you know? the way he prefers to feel his muscles contract is relative to the weight he uses, and that is his choice.
bro, bodybuilders are all strong because you do need certain standard of strength to reach a certain standard of size, and once you get to that standard of strength you can push and pull in whatever way you want. heavy or light. kai chooses light most of the time. its what he likes. go check out ronnie bro, he goes heavy. why? cuz he fucking wants too :P
Actually "bodybuilding" by definition is all about aesthetics. It's about how you shape and mold your body, not the weight or your strength. Why do you think a competiton in bodybuilding is up on a stage getting looked at, not a bench max competition or a squat or deadlift competition? Because bodybuilding actually IS all about the muscle. If you want strength, you have powerlifting. As hard as it is to realize, muscle doesn't equate to strength in a fixed ratio.
Quick comment here, Kai Greene is 8% body fat if you payed any attention to his mentor in the video, he's 308lbs of hard, cut, toned and well earned muscles, he has a bulging six pack with water ripples at 308lbs, most people who aren't body builders have a cheeseburger looking gut, Kai Greene is a committed individual who is one of the best in his sport, who cares if he takes supplements ?
@N722DK Listen up mate, i know thing more than you do. I have been training in the gym for 2-3 years thou i do not take roids. So, let me ask you something. when you said i do not know shit about what it takes to train like him so do you? Do you even know why and how does gym exist? And why is there body builders around? If you freaking do not know anything do not talk back to me. Have some common sense kid.
i loves kai's outfit...hat.hoodie,compresion pants and boxing shoes....the gym is ment to build muscle not show it off...i feel the same way your in own zone and kno the way you look underneith it....its a BIG mental game and i think when u cant see your body you wanna work harder during the workout because you cant see it change and swell during the workout wich makes you work that much harder.......kai in my opion is a very very underated bodybuilder and is just on the outside of winning mr o
@youngsurvivor lol that is one of the dumbest things i have ever heard. bench pressing will NOT give u a hunched back AT ALL. UNLESS you arch your back like no tmr. a slight arch or a "powerlifting arch" is fine. dont wry about it and no dont give up your benching keep doing it! :D oh and btw, if that was true, then the 98% of ppl in the entire world who bench press and touch their chest wit the bar, would have a hunched back which never happened.
Spotting someone dose not mean lifting the weight for them. It means being ready to grab the weight if they have a problem of any kind. Struggling some doesnt qualify as a problem its just a normal part of training. If it was an issue of ijnury prevention then he could just use less weight. Anyhow this is not what it seems to be for it looks more like lack of good reasoning! If he can lift the weight on his own in good for then that means hes strong enough so injury is unlikely.
Getting big and strong merely requires intense dedication and commitment. By the way, using protein shakes and supplements has nothing whatsoever to do with using steroids. If you're stupid enough to believe otherwise, then no wonder you'll always be a wimp. PS - I'm pretty small myself, but I don't make excuses. I take responsibility for my lack of commitment, not to mention my pesky smoking & drinking habits.
@HEYIMATANK ....you should know that age has very little to do with potential....I will correct myself. Kai Greene is currently changing the future, and when i say future, I mean Mr. O and most bodybuilders who won are in their mid 30's. Phil is already 30, dennis is 32, brandon and evan are 2 and 28 respectively so age really has very little to do with someone being "the future". All Trey Brewer needs is a proper trainer, he is only 25 and has achieved crazy mass so I wouldn't rule him out.
@APArawDeadlifter So I'm a moron trollhunter ? HAHA. I'm not the one who has my spotter making me look like "I need help" ( even tho we both know he doesn't ).
Point is, if the guy is throwing the weight around fairly easy, STAY AWAY FROM THE BAR. This isn't Powerlifting where he is going for 1-4 reps. I spot my workout partner all the time, and I NEVER touch the bar except on liftoff, I can tell when he is gonna hit failure pretty much, and I just let him go til he cant go no more ....
WHY are the spotters even touching the bar when the lifter is lifting ??? I understand the liftoff, but spotters should NEVER touch the bar UNLESS the guy benching hits a sticking point OR asks the guy to "stay with me", but DON'T TOUCH THE BAR unless he hits failure. Damn, amateur spotting. Its more than just throwing heavy weight around - I would get rid of them spotters or teach them to liftoff, then leave alone unless a sticking point is hit ! DAMN !
Ronnie wouldn't challenge if he came back. Vic will be back to his best by then, and the olympia is about the whole package, not just mass anymore, so he has the aesthetics over kai, just depends if vic gets that conditioning that was absent at the arnold. As for Jay, he is trying to come in around 250 which I think could be risky as alot of his points come from mass as opposed to symmetry and conditioning- i mean he won day 2 last year and that was cos he lost all that water overnight
the grip where you dont enclose the bar with your thumb is called "suicide grip". If you dont have complete control over the barbell using that grip, it might fall out of your hands pouncing down on your throat, killing you. Some people feel that they can get a better contraction and a cleaner movement pattern by using that grip. The other grip is just a normal grip
And also, the supplements he does take is to purely support his body weight, ideally with weight you need extra supplements/vitamins/nutrients to make up for the food that is IMPOSSIBLE to safely eat in a day. For all else who know nothing about lifting, or building mass, please don't say anything because I die a little when a rookie thinks he knows something clever.
@xTheFormlessOne1 Indeed it's true that people need different things to grow(in forms of weight, reps, sets and exercises) But people on youtube very(very!) often try to preach about how if you're not 100% perfect in form, you're doing wrong and/or if someone is getting mass without perfect form, they're automatically on steroids.. just sayin'
STAY NATURAL, PEOPLE. a normal human being shouldn't look like these professional bodybuilders look. I am 6'2" and 250 and I have never even taken a suppliment in my life. right after Brain surgery, in three months, I went from 225 to 250. i Will not take steroids and I will be happy because there dangerous and horrific side effects to taking steroids.
Whats wrong with these guys? No matter what level there at theres no explanation for touching the bar while someone is lifting. If they are able to do the reps on their own why touch the bar? All they are doing is cheating themselves and losing confidence in lifting the weight instead of building confidence.
I hate when people stop everything they're doing in the gym and start staring at you like an idiot while you lift. If I was as big as Kai Greene I would probably only train in the real hardcore gyms where only serious individuals train and don't have time to be watching other people work hard while they take a 30 minute "break" between "sets" lol.
thats a good spotter, all too often you see spotters letting the bar stop... that what messes up muscle stimulation and puts you into unecessary failure... the bar should keep moving so the chest keeps getting stimulated. when the bar stops half way and your fighting it that does not help with growth at all and messes your SET up.
@mandora45 Well I honestly have not met Jay. I was going based off what other pros said about him. I do prefer Kai as I said. Jay's past his prime and when someone is past their prime they have to have something exceptional about to stand out and jay does nothing but train like a little girl lately and promote his lame clothing line.
@HEYIMATANK yeah, but that doesn't give any indication of how strong you are, couse i bet he can bench 5 plates alot easier than you can! relativ strenght isn't the same as toatl strenght. so you can't call him not strong, becouse 5 plates is hella much and just becouse he is heavy, that doesn't make him any less strong.
Kai has been around for a long time in the natural arena since a young age. He cleaned house there and now he's banging in out with the pros. It's just to bad he doesn't fit the criteria of a Mr. Oylmpia. He is the best out there, all around. Just getting a bum rap. Shoudl've been more carefull what he did outside of bb world. Much respect ... your awesome bud!
@ilkkavu:
wow dude..what gave you that idea? This guy just every other athlete at a professional level, goes through rigorous training, eating, and sleeping regiments to ensure peak performance. The only reason I can find that you might have said something like this is because you've tried and failed miserably. Sorry its not for everybody......
Man thats some decent weight and everything but idk why the man is crying about losing the O. I mean cmon u really cant expect to win the first time around. Not even Heath expected to win in '08 and look how happy he was with 3rd. I think Kai is alitle trik for crying. He got 4th thats like freakn amazing right
As for phil, would be interesting to see what the yr off has done for that rapidly developing freak. And dex, always cut, can he add another 5 or so pounds- would make him a true fav. And wolf - after he had those injuries prior to last years show meaning he didnt come out his best, hope he has finally gone away and worked on those weak parts, but still not a real contender:
he's way taller for one.. he could be bigger if he were a bodybuilder. bigger doesn't mean stronger, bodybuilders train for volume, not strength. Ronnie Coleman is one of the strongest bodybuilders, yet he would not be able to compete in a power lifting meet, he'd get outclassed in every category
If you were a huge fan you'd know how poor he was. Back then, it really was the best option for him because he really needed the money to compete.
Even now he refuses to buy a car and chooses to live in the projects because he's the most humble guy you'll ever know.
@dan13718 Well pal, supplements are necessary for those people that due to their physical activity require an additional intake of nutrients to build their bodies. For those people that can't do a push up well they don't need that additional boost. I'm guessing you're the latter
@xTheFormlessOneIGF1 and because of that bodybuilding also doesn't count as sport that involves strength, you need strength but it's not the goal, powerlifting is counted as one of those, body building is just about looks that's why it isn't an actual sport to begin with
Guys on roids' and HGH are like night and day. Point: Take a look at ANY pro at his best before he touched "the stuff", then look at him after several years of doing it.
Like night and day man. You don't have to have great genetics, look at Rich Gaspari.
@StraightDooDoo
If your pecs are sore, then you are doing something right ;).
Forget about decline and the fancy stuff.
Go to basics, flat, incline and maybe flies and thats about it for the chest.
Eat a lot and rest, and leave the ego at the door, you will get big ;)
Yeah exactly he couldn't do 5 plates but he's the world's strongest bb-Hell no. yeah he can really free weight squat and deadlift but he's not doing anything near the level of what Ronnie Coleman was doing and I don't think he can do what Kai is doing he's a great bodybuilder but to me he is overrated!
Honestly I don't think Phil is gonna take it he will easily make top 5 this year, but I think 1st is gonna be between Jay and Kai and Victor. I just think they know how to peak a bit better then Jackson and a few others. The only person I could say that has a better chance then Jay is Dennis.
I think Victor Martinez will be ahead of Jay. The odds are in Dex's favour to repeat because we all know to beat the champ you have to really knock him out especially when it comes to the olympia. I really feel Jay was lucky to get 2nd last year he was way off his best. Count down is on!!!!
@leftpuman erm, nutrition is very important, yeah, you wanna get about 1 hour excersise in. Sleep is very important too. My philosophy is 1.diet 2.sleep 3. training... you wanna try to eat on time though. whey shake (quick protein)during breakfast, with good cereal/fruit for carbs. some carbs before a workout too, make sure you get some whey after a workout followed by a good meal, then before bed make sure u get some slow absorbing protein for the night, like some meat or time realease shakes
You know, I think it's just Kai being strong, I mean he uses big weights for us, that are not necessarily big lifts for him. He can use say 400lbs bench with control and feel, but this 400lbs would be, say 1 strained rep for us.
@triggersprollie great go back too arnold. back in his day (1970's) "this guy" arnold was considered a freak monster too. haters comparing him too Steve Reeves. like you comparing Kai too arnold. haters then.....haters now. you are no different.
@cheemooo because doing that many sets for reps take a tole mentally so he need his mentor to be with him at all times. even if he not really helping its what Kai needs to push harder. if you cant focus with a spotter then don't use a spotter simple
@cheemooo Yeah that really pisses me off too. Clearly Kai is strong enough to handle reps with 5 plates on his own so why is that clown spotting him putting his hands all over the bar? It kills my bench workouts if a spotter does that.
@tiphu No shit bro, and genetics has nothing to do with the way your body will come out if you take teh right suppliments and eat healthy and hit the gym hard. u can still get to where u wanna be and more without the best genetics
Guys on roids' and HGH are like night and day. Point: Take a look at ANY pro at his best before he touched "the stuff", then look at him after several years of doing it.
Like night and day man. You don't have to have great genetics, look at Rich Gaspari.
@StraightDooDoo
train your chest once a week
eat alot of carbs and 1.5g of protein per pound of ur body fat.
i would try doing close grip bench for a week, then wide grip for a week, rotate between that a few times. i had big gains from it.
so should you do each muscle group once a week , because i am def overtraining right now. like say day1-chest,back day2-traps,abs day3-bis,tris,shoulders, day4-legs then how many days should i rest before i start the cycle again ?? please let me know
This years Olympia is going to be a dog fight, with all this guys like Kai , victor, Phil, jay( trying to get his crown back), dexter and the like's of coleman talking about coming back!!??? there is going to be blood on that stage man , BET ON IT .
Haha you think he is weak? Look up the video of him shoulder pressing 4 plates then dropping it to 3 then 2 then 1. He is the exact opposite of weak. And considering strength isn't even his goal yet he is able to lift this heavy, I find that very fucking impressive. Besides, you can't knock somebody who is second best in the world at their sport..
This might come off as a very stupid question but am really new to the bodybuiling world. Why do bench press spotters lift the weight (assisting the guy benching) with their forearms instead of their hands?
He uses as much weight as he can, without sacrificing his form. "bodybuilders contract the muscle under increasing amounts of resistance" they dont just move the weights around, not matter how light or heavy.
Honestly, it is not hard to get the training like kai Greene used to. He took Steroids and many other kinds of vitamins pills and sort of eggs... and he has been training in the gym for at least more than 6 years.
idk about yall but if i dont do incline first then i wont be able to go heavy or make it worth while so i do incline first the flat after flat might hurt a little but not as bad if i did flat first and incline.
@kingsprott LMAO NO CONTEST! fast foods and obesity it's insane and it's speading all over word because the U.S fast food franchies are all over the world along with there sedentary life style. scary stuff.
everyone knows the pro use steroids. He was one of the biggest naturals in the world then started taking roids aroud the early 2000s ( 2004 i think). They take steroids to increase their test. to unnatural levels.
anyways like you said, what a dog fight with other names including RUHL!!!! WARREN!! and the new york pro 09 champ. Best list since the 1998 Mr O with coleman, ray, levrone, dilet, nassar, flex, cormier and others
@Pedz5657 nothing really... Its light so they dont actually need to incorporate their lower body strength into lifting. Now when it starts to get really heavy, you need to put your foot down flat and use a little bit of your lower body like the legs to help push the weight up.
Yes,his form is perfect and yes,he make better gains because of that.But that is not what i am talking about.There are many smaller but way stronger bodybuilders which have good proportions and symmetry.
not really. professional bodybuilders put so much muscle on as they can but they are also limited by their genetics as any other human. derek poundstone is just other bodied, he is a giant.
Of all the countries in the world, only three backwaters still use the archaic Imperial system of weights and measures. Liberia, Burma and the United States of America. Ignorance much, bro?
Yes,I understand.But if you are that big you are usually strong.
Other bodybuilders his size are very strong.Just take a look at ronnie coleman videos and you will see what I am talking about.
@bobharrisa I tried this workout in my new routine, i got such a good workout from the pre-exhausting flyes I will probably incorporate something like this every time i create a new workout.. IMO anyway
@Cooiepwns its an isolation technique many bodybuilders use, its supposed to take the stress off of the forearms im pretty sure to help isolate the chest more, dangerous but badass at the same time
@vallo220 I TOTALY agree with you my friend, i try to press 315 once upon a time and i think i blew my kidneys out my ass onto the gym floor man LOL. Some guys are just TOOOOO frigging strong!?!!!.