212 Ghost VS $500 212 Predator
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- 212 Ghost VS $500 212 Predator
Tested the $500 212 Predator Azusa mini bike from 0 to 30 and top speed. Ran the same test with the 212 Ghost-powered Azusa Minibike to compare the difference in performance.
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Very nice videos!! I love the testsing you do, definetly helpful!! Was wondering if you have ever used the .020" over rod in any of your builds? Says it will bring the piston up more in the hole and bump compression, would be cool to see a video on it. Keep it up!
Thanks! Yes, I have used the .020 rod in many builds including the one in this video.
You can probably get all the way to Aspin on that hog. 🙂
Everyone heres dumb and dumber cause they aint no what you meant 😂😂😂
Or the junk yard
@mikeburch2998 Don't worry, the hilariousness of your comment was not lost on me. 😂
"Where did you get that?"
"Some kid in town. Traded the van for it straight up. "
@@sgt.steve-o2092 Thank you. Greetings from Arizona.
@@sgt.steve-o2092
I would have never let go of the mutt cuts mobile. 🤣
OMG those mini bikes are equal to winning the $10 million dollar sweepstakes when I was in 4th grade. I dreamed of owning a mini bike in the 1970's.
I hear you! I’m 65 and still want a mini bike!
Thank you for this video bro! My dad and I are watching this video on the big screen tonight. These motors are crazy!
Thanks for watching,!
Thanks for taking the time to do these tests.
IDK how much I can conclude until both are tested on a gear limited setup, at least where top speed is concerned.
That said, I think the Ghost is arguably the best “bolt on” 212 for someone looking for 12ish HP.
Naturally if you want to put time and parts into a “regular” 212 you’ll have a more powerful package.
It’s all down to personal preference like anything. Your skills, budget, goals and how you value your time.
True!
A great comparison video Black! It will be nice to see what else you do with the 212 Ghost and what it does with the mods! Keep the vids coming! 😘
Great video with fun content and a perfect format without any fluff or excess commentary. Thank you!
Thanks! Thanks for watching the videos!
New to the channel, I'm in! Can't wait to start my build.
Love the minis bro!😹😹 i have a coleman 100 or something with the predator 212cc swap with a big sprocket, imma tell you, that thing rips when you hit it🙉🙉
That's what I'm building.
Is that $500 predator the same engine that has the 1.2 ratio rockers on it? If so does the ghost have the same. You got so many engines I've lost track. Love the videos. I've pulled my minibike out and started tinkering again because of your vids.
Thanks! No, this Predator has stock factory rockers,stock valvetrain except for springs to support the 252 cam.
Awsome video Black 66! Love those azusa bikes👍
Thank you!
Damn good comparison brother
Another great video
I appreciate that
Good to know looking at both right now
Check out the ghost playlist for more videos on the ghost .
From what I’ve seen in my time, you should rename this “fastest way to get your fix for 500”
Love it keep doing what you do! How about a video on the Coleman brake upgrades.
Thanks! I have a video coming out soon on that. In A week or two
Here is the link for the Coleman brake upgrade ruclips.net/video/eHax9KYC0xo/видео.html
Great video. Greetings from Georgia.
I think both combos would benefit greatly with a tighter clutch spring. You hit 30 before the clutch is all the way out.
Wouldn’t that mean the acceleration would be slower Becuase there is less rpm spinning the clutch from the tighter spring ? Or am I wrong? Still knew to mini bikes
@@ivan.delgadillo10 the tighter spring allows the motor to rev up a little higher before the clutch engages making it come in when the motor starts making torque
Thank you Black66
Gr8 info on that vid.
I'd like to ask, what all did you put into the predator 212?
Thanks again 😇🙏👍👍
Must be nice man....I live in Philly u leave ur door open and a bike rite next to it by the time ur back both gone!!! LOL
Great video
Thank you!
I'm trying to learn about engines, I think moddin a mini bike would be a good place to start
U should make a drag bike series put ur race cheetah clutch on one of ur fastest bikes and build a wheelie bar also fully built with a cam bigger than 265 and a aggressive porting would be badazz
I would like to do a drag bike. I did a stroker on this bike with porting and a 275 cam. ruclips.net/video/xV8i59aGUao/видео.html
always love a good apples to apples comparison...have you done any chain comparison yet, I'm interested if there is any gain or loss from using a 35 chain compared to using bigger stuff on these small tired bikes
Thank! I'll have to do that!
Main thing to factor with chain is weight. Bigger chain means more weight. Meaning need to power to move at same speed as using smaller chain. I use the rvl extreme performance gold on black #35 chain and do 65mph daily. Been on almost a month now and still in great condition. Beefy little links.
Rearward facing camera is pretty sweet.
First! We gotta go riding sometime. Plus I just picked up a hemi predator from harbor freight yesterday
Thats good they still sell the Hemi !
I believe there is 1 more there. I'm waiting for my 18lb springs to come in today.
I've been looking for a non hemi....they have none.....lots of hemis tho....
It’s like bring home a baby from the hospital I think..
those guys look a lot like my rupp from the 60s, techumseh motor. lots of fun
Looks like so much fun
I know I keep on asking you questions but I’m Just diving into my first mini ; so you not use exhaust gaskets?? Only asking cause when you switched the pipe I didn’t see a gasket; also you’re AWESOME about responding to comments! LOVE THAT
Ya, There was one on there. Sometimes it will be stuck on the pipe or just not in the shot in the video. But I always use a gasket.
@@Black66 are these bikes super hard to come by?? These are probably my favorite minis I’ve seen as far as looks and style , but I can’t find anyone who’s selling one , not even the frame
@@predator_boiz336 They have the Azusa frame at Gokartsusa.com . You can get it in the 5 inch or the 6 inch wheel version.
❤️❤️❤️❤️, but.......you said the comparison was against the ghost's accessory kit. Did you install the thinner head gasket and curved intake provided with the kit?
That normal 212 sounds so much better! I cant imagine the stage 2 on my Hemi on my stand up scoot lol its already pretty quick as it is. But Stage 2 looks real mean ☺. Can't wait to do that hehehe.
It’s the coil. The coil on the ghost only is good for 600 RPMs. So you’re topping out. it says it on the box then you can Google it. So you have to change it out.
Check out the Ghost playlist. The coil was removed and a billet flywheel added.
@@Black66 yeah but in this video you said it’s topping out. So like I said, it’s most likely the coil. Because on a stock 212 you can get way more out of it. You might’ve bought the wrong coil. And like I said, it says on the box and you can read it online. The ghost coil is only good for 600 RPMs.
@@DevanRomero-b3q In this video I say in the first couple of minutes that I swapped out the Ghost cast flywheel to get rid of the rev limiter. The Ghost was using a billet flywheel and a Predtor coil without the limiter .
If you look at the Ghost playlist on the channel , the very first Ghost video was about removing the limiter and adding a billet flywheel.
I bought a little rascal 98 off go Powersports and put a 212 ghost in it and it zipps around 👍
👍 Have you seen the Rascal build videos? ruclips.net/video/xVhJ2u4vW7g/видео.html
I’m not surprised considering the reason the ghost was made.
I live in Kingman too I have an Manco go-kart. With predator 212,
I have some old street go-karts frames, with racing slicks maybe we can horse trade I need a driven primary. For a torque converter setup I lost mine riding with my kids
Diy trick to for stock centrifugal clutches drill holes in it around where the clutch shoes touch it. Higher rpm take off and faster top end
The 6.5 harbor freight black friday is a bargain
You should use a harley Davvidson 6 speed transmission on those minibikes!
Since these are 212cc engines larger then most harley davidson engines 114 cc engines.❤
Sweet bikes, nice job! Nylon cam gear and glue and screw flywheel are a deal breaker for me. You can get a ducar 212 with an intake and header exhaust upgrade for what you would pay for a ghost motor. You also get an aluminum flywheel rated to 10,000 rpm, adjustable jets on carb, stronger more reinforced crank case, and more torque and horsepower out the box, or get a wildcat 223 and a billet flywheel, both are better than going the predator route, and cost less and out perform the ghost, with a bigger bang for our buck...plus, its not a predator.
Thanks ! Check out the playlist for many more engines and bike combos.
You can just buy a 224 pred it's a ducar reinforced block with wildcat 223 crank with ducar carb only have to change the nylon cam to a 252 or 275 and flywheel to a pvl or billet and my 224 smokes my neighbors ghost.
I have a Predator 224. Check out the playlist for many combos with the Predator 224. Thanks for watching! ruclips.net/video/SaxCCoqJ0RU/видео.html
Got to luv a flat head!!!
Witch one is better
Yeah IAM glad I bought standard , predator n put all the goodies in it cheaper build n better performing,I didn't do modified head just valve springs n went to 65 t rear sprocket 12 clutch 53 mph with stock Coleman cc100x tires 115 main may get lil more now tho went to 125 main n 10.5 slick on back not tested yet
Plug was super clean so figured o may bin lean
What's your opinion on the 252 vs the 265 cam?
2 questions…
1. How are you determining your RPMs?
2. How do you tell the difference between valve float and the limit of the motor or gear?
Valve float is sputtering or cutting on and off at high RPM . Engines that reach the limit with no float will be at max RPM and stay there with no drama. They will simply not rev anymore.
In some videos I use a tach for RPM, like in the 224 videos. Others I will use a gear ratio calculator.
You plug in tire height, number of teeth on the clutch, number of teeth or the rear sprocket and the calculator will spit out the gear ratio, RPM, and speed.
@@Black66 I see. I asked about valve float because I’m at a loss as to why my predator will not get above 6800 rpm. It has a 22mm Mikuni carb, .308 cam, 26# springs (.815 install height), 27/25mm SS valves, billet flywheel and rod, compression ratio of 10.7:1, gearing ratio of 6.667:1 and 20” tires. It’s a heavy yard kart so I’m assuming it’s just the weight. I had .265 cam in before the .308 which actually reached about 300 rpms more than the .308, surprisingly. Can’t figure why I can’t reach the target rpm of 8400 the cam is supposed to reach
@@baldbutton1983 Like you said weight of the vehicle. Maybe throw some more gear on there to get that big cam more into its opimal RPM band
@@Black66 right, thanks for the reply. Love watching your videos by the way
@@Black66 just out of curiosity, I’ve always wondered while watching your videos, why do you choose the smaller cams like the .252 instead of bigger cams like .275, .308, etc?
Nice vid👍🏻
Nice!
New sub here👍
Thanks! Check out the playlist !
@@Black66 Haha!!!
Cool channel man. I'm looking into starting another channel. The one I have isn't anything really interesting. Anyways, my cousin's have raced go-karts their whole lives! My Uncle has a shop on his land here in Georgia and builds their karts for them. My oldest cousin has won the WKA Championship a few years ago (can't remember what class off the top of my head) and several trophies over the years. I didn't get into karting until my late 30's. My only claim to fame is that I've raced on Daytona International Speedway. I came in 12th place, but finished the race! That being said, I'm glad I ran across your channel. Looking into building a minibike here soon myself. Thanks for looking out and providing awesome content!
Take Care
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super Dope vid Capt so what would u choose a ghost or GPS tilly 212e stage one 525.oo out the door gov already removed ????
I like both but for my money, I like the Tilly.
Like your videos! Do you have any advice or video how to eliminate oil sensor on predator ghost? Thanks, Milan
Thanks! The Ghost doesn't have one. Check out the Ghost playlist. I show the internals of the Ghost and adding billet parts. ruclips.net/video/P0LJ8ucMxJk/видео.html
You said you changed out the header to keep things even, wonder if the HF was or a contributing factor in the lesser performance 🤔 🤷♂️…. 🤙
No, check out my other Ghost videos. The Ghost definately needs valve springs and billet internals if you want to run it past 6k RPM safely.
Hell with speed, what kinda gas mileage you get with two guys on?
I have a predator 212cc I removed the Governor from the motor added a torque unit and a performance muffler and it tops out at 60 mph
I bet your bike would give this e-bike a good run!!
ruclips.net/video/o0UliTSSwWc/видео.html
i love the added gauge view how do you get the footage of that?
Thanks! It's in the GoPro software.
@@Black66 sweet i’ll check it out!
This does not seem accurate at all. It shows the HF accessory kit and accounts for it in cost but dosent use it at all. Im curious about using the actual curved long runner intake thats in the accessory kit and their header. This is only good for longblock to longblock comparison. plus the price would vary much more also considering time put into the 212 plus shipping costs. labor is not cheap. your looking at 750$ plus realistically for the 212 build compared to an out the box engine.
Check out the Ghost playlist! ruclips.net/video/ONJbFaEecQM/видео.html
I got 53 mph 12 t clutch 65 t rear sprocket 212 pred,non hemi 18 lb valve springs billt,rod - arc flywheel 26 mm vm22 115 jet lil lean gonna try 125main n go down to 25 pilot instead 35 cause turn air screw no change with 25 pilot idle rises n falls how you tell it's rughty
I've speed 300 on my ghost 20 In a bigger carb 35 on a muffler pipe of my choice and does 53 on straight chain 50 mph on torque converter under 500 and it moves I think ppl think a ghost is a racing engine for mini bikes and forgets is a class engine that's meant to meet a rule book
Where did you find those parts ? I’ve spent 3 days trying to find a better carb / muffler exhaust etc. and they are always for non hemi 212’s. And everything I read says my ghost is a Hemi.
@@jasonjackson329 as Long is 212 it fits unless u want internal or fly wheel
@@Kach1mba101 dam man , I wish I had known they’d fit. Rather not have bought this over priced kit from HF. Price isn’t even 149 anymore. Dam thing was 169 plus tax. 🤦♂️
I got the reg predator 212 for 20$
Mikuni. Are ont he interenet
You have to remember also the ghost is more user friendly for beginners just slap it on and go. The predator 212 you need all those tools and parts and know how. I think the ghost caters more to that. And the fact it's a stronger engine.
Yes it does have a stronger block but cast rod and flywheel.
@Black66 holy crap you responded that's awesome. I'm doing my first by myself fully built billet 212 and I'm excited and nervous. What's a at home method for doing the valve springs I don't have that big thing you have.
Where do you get the Bike Frame it's self?
GoKartsusa.com
Is that valve float or the ignition gov kicking in at 6,000?
I was told they come with?
Valve float. I removed the limiter. Check out this video ,I removed the rev limiter and installed a billet flywheel ruclips.net/video/lm6zTvhJHSk/видео.html
Where is he getting $500 for the standard predator? The regular 212 here is $149 and the ghost is $239
I added approximately $350 worth of billet parts into the standard Predator. Add another $149 for the cost of the engine and you come out to around $500. The Ghost is $349 plus the header pipe and billet flywheel that I had to add to get rid of the rev limiter so it would have half a chance of competing with the standard Predator with billet parts. I have around $ 500 in each engine in total.
Can I shoot a quick question?
Are there any performances parts made for the GX 160cc engine
If you have a stock 212 sitting around it's worth getting ghost and use in ur tank and exhaust on it then just buy air cleaner for the junk pz22 carb lol
Check out the ghost playlist. I have tried a few different carbs on the Ghost. ruclips.net/video/Ruc42N2GBzQ/видео.html
And still with them lighter frames you should be alot faster than 60 mph at top speed
The bikes were set up in this video to reach max RPM to compare the two engines. Not all out top speed. Here are a couple videos with more top speed on the same bikes. ruclips.net/video/8wVMdDTutPQ/видео.html ruclips.net/video/enNTiAUEz28/видео.html
I did 65 on a Coleman ex stock
Do you need a license to drive these
No but the cops will take them if your just riding them around
Where can I buy bikes like this?
What is a 'short tyre' he refers to??
Where do you get your ape hanger handlebars
You could grab them off of an old bike from a yard sale or off of Amazon and places like that. .
I live in Kingman too,I got some extra go kart frames and racing slicks. Maybe we'll could trade some parts?
I don't keep a lot of extra parts. I'm pretty much at max capacity right now for bikes and karts. I don't have a lot of room to store them. . I will sell some of the bikes from time to time to make room.
I just bought a ghost last night idk how I feel about it but where did you get those shims at ??
GPS has them . I also picked some up from the hardware store with a good bolt bin.
What mm air filter
Standard predator engines are going for $150? Where’d you get your pricing my guy 😂😂
Remember, the prices on these engines don't always stay the same . That being said, even if the standard Predator comes out to a little more IMO I still think a billet Predator is a much better value.The Ghost is good but it has a cast rod and flywheel with a glued on magnet that should be changed out for safety. At least the flywheel.
i have a couple questions fist question is what’s better? a big mini bike frame or the small frames? and i have a predator 212 with vm22 carb and straight pipe and i jetted the carb it have a 125 jet in it but it’s still going slow?any tips?
Delete gov
Does the GHOST engine require a High-performance fuel pump?
No, You can gravity-feed it on a minibike.
Are they reliable engines?
I’ve hit 47.6 mph on the stock Coleman 3hp ohv I am a light rider at only 125 pounds if I did this upgrade hopefully could hit 60 -70
You have not hit 47.6 on a stock Coleman 3hp💀 that’s got to be modded going that speed
* going down a hill, high on meth, running from the po.
@@porkchopexpress6969 send itttt!!!! Lol
Do u nwwd the kit for the ghost or u csn install alone
Where can I buy this?
Can that ghost fit on a Trailmaster Storm?
Why is everyone concerned about how fast they can go, I'm more interested about the torque so I can go off road and explore and Have a fun day go fishing on my bike, if I want to go fast on the road it will be in a car or big boy motorcycle.
That's the point, going fast on something thats not to be fast. You can use the same argument for going off road with them, they arent really capable for that. Why not get a quad or a dirtbike? Or maybe even bigwheel a dirt bike like how miny bikes are? Why not get a Can-Am at that point? It's because you dont need one to do the things you do. I just wanna build a sweet little daily driver that has some pep at the top end, I dont care to get to 30mph in 3 seconds, i'll tKe 6 seconds instead but give me 6 more and i'll be chillin at 50. Also, some people dont have enough money for a big bike, so they get mini bikes. Plenty of reasons brotha.
For me it’s so I can make it to the off-roading spots I wanna get to.
Where can I find frames like you have ❓❓
GPS or gokartsusa.com
@@Black66 thank you. 👍🏻
Ekselent job...
What will be your choice between predator or duramax if you put 20 lb Springs and Chinese makuni?
Thanks
what app is he using to trackspeed
I use a Dragy performance meter for 0 to 30 and digiHUD on the phone for top speed.
The Ghost is a bad buy if you’re not spec racing.
I think Harbor Freight would even tell you that.
You can do even better on the price if you can find a good used predator and buy a parts package from the usual suspects.
When u buy the engine u have to approve that you are buying a kart class racing engine not a street legal engine
Can you please help and tell me what size bolts you need for the clutch side in all applications like straight chained and torque converter and also for the engine's stock Coleman, 212 and 224 pleaseeee!
Looking for spring replacements which would be best to eliminating the floating issue?
depends on what motor you have and what mods you have as well. Usually people run 18lbs springs and it solves their float issues, but it adds wear on the internals due to higher rmp
@@TheDonkDonk420 Ghost
Does a header pipe actually increase your speed? And so by how much
An engine like these will only go soo fast. The header should increase acceleration at best. But as far as "speed". Not so much.
I still think I'd build the hemi predator insted of the goast.
Ghost still a hemi
Wowzy
@Black66 love the testing methodology on your vids! Im new to the mini bike sean and picked up the Predator 212 if I remove the govener but no other upgrades should I/ do I really need to change the rod and the flywheel?
Upgrade the internal and ad external later, That way the internal doesn’t bust while you got it at high rpm’s
Is it easier to put a 212 predator in a mototec 105cc or coleman rb100? or does it not matter? the mototec 105cc seems to be a better built mini bike but colemans seem more "user/mode friendly"
I really don't think it matters much. Both would be pretty easy to do. I think its boils down to personal preference.
Ghost all day
Check put the ghost playlist for many different part combos with the Ghost
How do you know which chain to buy?
I usually use RLV gold on gold or gold on black and then cut it to size with the chain breaker.
Thanks
Hey man can you help me out in the ghost owners Manuel it says I'm supposed to use 91 gas but my local gas station doesn't have 91 gas is 91 and 93 the same?. Or do I just use 87?? Help me out bro 😅
What is the best cam I can get for my 212cc hemi pls help
Cheap is good. 👍👍😎
How would the 420 compare?
Does the 212 hemi make more hp? If so why does anyone buy the non hemi?
If the hemi does make more power it's not enough to notice without a stop watch or a dyno. The non hemi is easier for a guy who doesn't have machine tools in his garage to work with than the hemi. With a non hemi you don't even have to think or measure anything to get more compression and use a high lift cam. You can't do that with a hemi.
Some guys have removed the hemi head and put on a non hemi head and thin head gasket for a bump in compression and more power than with the hemi head.
I have a ghost on a torque converter and she goes 60-65mph.
Sweet! Check out the Ghost playlist for more combos on the Ghost! Thanks for watching!ruclips.net/video/5Grizcea_Ug/видео.html
212 predator is not a $500 engine it’s not even $200
Yes, but with the mods added to the Predator 212 it comes out to about $500. Watch the fantastic video to see the results! Thanks for watching!