Great follow up Bryan! Great way to share the questions and concerns with everyone as a lot do not leave comments or go through them to find answers of other questions 👍👍
Well done! In glad i ran onto this video and your previous keg video. I have the refill kit and the 20lbs adapter. You were spot on with the weight differences. I like to hole hop while ice fishin and i hate lugging that heavy tank around while doing that. Be safe and thanks for the information.
@@nightowlsadventures thanks for such a positive comment. Definitely a time and place for both options. I love the Fuel Keg and we’ve had A LOT of ice this year in Michigan so I’ve been using it often.
You just addressed my main concern and that is a kid playing with the ring and opening the valve. With this info, the elimination of the need for any tools to fill puts the keg ahead in the race! Thanks!
Very good information, Thanks for publishing this! I started a couple of years ago, refilling Coleman tanks with a small adapter. But I kept thinking about that warning that's printed right on the tanks, that they are not meant to be refilled. Just because you don't know of anyone having a problem doesn't mean it's never happened. Probably some of the people that it happened to aren't around to warn us ... Using Fuel Keg gives me some peace of mind, which I think is well worth the price. I use my grill a lot, so with the money I'm saving by not buying the Colemans, the Fuel Keg will pay for itself soon enough.
@@kentmulter I completely agree with what you said. Actually, one guy commented on here that some of his Colemans DID leak so I’ll probably start sticking to the Fuel Kegs from here on out.
@@RocksNRuts4 - I worked in propane. Largest propane supplier. Tanks used to be filled to 90% years ago. The problem was this: If you fill a tank to 90% and then it gets exposed to heat, such as being in the sun, the tank builds pressure and could end up being at 100% (which is) over filled. And exactly why disposable tanks are not allowed to be transported in a car. Car temperatures can rise a heap in the summer. This is why tanks are now filled to 80%. If you stop filling when the vent starts spitting, the tank is not over filled. The spitter does it's duty at the 80% fill level. This is the safe filling level. Anyone who fills past this level, just doesn't understand why the 20% vapor space is there. Believe me. You don't ever want liquid propane coming to any household propane appliance. Btw, the reason tanks sitting outside are painted white is to minimize the pressure build up when the hot sun is bearing down on the tank.
@@TheMichiganFisherman- I really don't recommend filling disposable tanks. They are just too thin walled. Propane is stored in tanks at very high pressures. 100-200 PSI. A standard 20-pound propane tank at 70 degrees will have 145 psi internal pressure. That same tank on a 100-degree day will have 172 psi of pressure. Yes, you can refill disposable tanks but it's at your own risk. These tanks do rust inside. If the tank ruptures, you need to hope you are no where near when it does. I worked in the propane business. I just can't recommend refilling disposable tanks. I think the Fuel Keg is a very good refillable tank with all the safety features needed.
I have already learned most everything from this video the hard way. Had I seen this video ahead of time, it would have helped tremendously. Great video.
Thanks for the info. I found it very useful. I recently purchased the refill kit and a couple of canisters. As one who lives in a travel trailer full time. I have found my portable propane stove far nor effective than my regular stove. During the summer, I prefer not to heat my little home while cooking, so there is daily use of the camp stove for outside cooking. Also, my Mr. Buddy heater uses less propane to supplement my electric heat during winter to heat just the one room. It is nice to refill canisters.
@@jamesrobinson1214 yeah they’re so convenient. I haven’t refilled them a ton this summer but come winter and ice fishing season I’ll be using them a lot again. 👍
Great explanation. I have an 11pound on the back of my sprinter but always have a couple of extra 1 pounders just in case. I am going to grab one of these based on your video. THANKS
Thanks for the link for the brass caps. I think I might out some on the fuel kegs. Extra protection against a leak. You don't want a garage full of propane.
I too was not aware the fuel keg purge valve could not be actvated without the refill device attached. I went with flame king when I bought my system, and in reality since the ONLY time the purge valve comes into play is when you refill the cylinder, I simply attach the allen wrench (used eith a flame king tank) to a small magnet I glued to the recharge stand where it remains readily at hand for the next use. My big preference for the flame king is the ease in which the refill device can be modified to refill the single use (coleman and others) cylinders as well. BOTH flame king and fuel keg are MUCH more practical in terms of cost than single use brands. AND...who hasn't needed to use a torch or other device using a 1 lb. cylinder, only to find it was low on fuel. You cross your fingers and "hope" you can finish the job before running out of fuel.. otherwise you have to stop what you're doing and drive however far to a store to get another cylinder to finish up. With the refillables, in as little as 5 minutes "you are back in business"!!!
If you're going to refill the green Coleman cylinders, you MUST weigh them to know when they are full! Thank you for clarifying the operation of the bleed-off valve. That was my #1 concern about the Mr. Heater cylinders.
I just purchased the fuel keg refill kit and 8 fuel keg refillable bottles at tractor. Price out the door was $186.65 Total for everything I listed. Tractor supply is a good go to place if your looking 4 anything. They price match with no problems 😊 I'm a happy camper😊
I invested in the Fuel Keg System after refilling the green canisters for years. Stored full ones in a Heavy duty tote. Last fall I went to grab a few for a camping trip and had a leaker.
The other videos iv seen on this as well as from mr heater say to wait until you have a steady stream of liquid shoot out of the perfect value before stopping
I recently purchased one of these propane cylinders. It is well built. It weighs 1lb 13oz. I attempted to refill it with a generic ebay unit with the gauge on it. I could only get about 4 oz of propane in it. Has to be vented. So I ordered the refill kit. A standard propane torch head fits on it and works just fine.
Nice yup I've had to throw a coman tank over board after refilling a lot .. So that cap would be helpful cause I don't trust them to set fuel...Maybe I over filled...
Has this issue (by another user) been resolved? 6 days ago Fuelkegs have a flaw during the welding part. Sometimes the welders leave the beads inside the tank without cleaning them out. And they get stuck in the valve if you turn the tank upside down. I ordered 4 FuelKegs and only one of them didnt have the beads. You can shake them around to hear it. So i ordered 15 more of them to Home Depot so i can pick out 3 good ones. 10 of them were full of beads. One had only a small amount of beads, and 4 were perfect. I kept those 4. So now i have 5 perfect FuelKegs out of 19 ordered.
I was gifted the fuel keg system, keg and all. I was excited. Set it up to fill the keg. Started the process , no air/gas was being pushed from the purge valve. Reconnected the keg to the filler valve about 3 times same result." No hissing". Changed filler bottles same thing. I was frustrated. I took a small pin punch and freed up the brass rod that opens the hole for tank to purge I could hear some gas escape. I manually turned the ring back and forth while using the punch to depress the rod in the tank and I guess it freed it up. I reconnected the keg, and it filled as it should. I haven't used the keg on an appliance yet. I anxious to see if it refills ok. I have several Mr Heater products all have worked good. I was disappointed with keg system "out of the box" it may wind up being fine. the jury is still out.
I used to hear nothing but good things about this system (and I've had a good experience) but lately more and more people are saying otherwise. I may have to buy a few more NEWER tanks and try them out. Perhaps there's a new quality control issue. Thanks for the comment.
@@TheMichiganFishermanthe problem is not more people saying otherwise, it’s more stupid people buying a product they have no knowledge of and no knowledge of how these things work. Some people are not intelligent enough to do these kinds of things. These are the people we will be fighting off when all hell breaks loose in the USA.
When I fill my Flame Kings, it only takes 40 seconds. Why is that? Because I live where it's warmer? Or does it have something to do with the difference between the Flame King and the Fuel Keg?
It's really simple with the Coleman tanks, if you don't trust them then don't do it very often, even if you fill it once, or twice you're still saving a buttload of money, as long as you're purging them and weighing them to make sure you're putting the proper amount inside you should have no issue then after you fill it the second time throw it away when it's done filling them once or twice and then disposing of them is absolutely not going to hurt anything as long as you do it right.
@@BUZZKILLJRJR exactly. I always have people warning me against doing it but I’ve never had a problem and I’ve never met anyone that had a problem. Then again, maybe I didn’t meet them because they’re no longer with us 😂💀
I refilled the Coleman "non-refillable" thanks for over six years. I simply got tired of the fact that they never refill all the way. And, if you try any tricks to get them to refill more fully, THAT'S when you can get into trouble. I causes a whole set of five to swell quite a bit. I had to take them outside and empty them as fast as possible because the looked as if they might burst at any second. I got the Fuel Kegs, so I don't have to mess around with that any more. AND I won't have to fill them as often, because you can safely fill them up completely.
Great followup video. I saw the first one. Earlier this summer before your video I purchased both the flame king and the Fuel keg adaptor systems and 4 bottles of each. I wanted to try both. I have been refilling greenies for five years and transporting as i am a ft nomad and felt maybe i should get legal! I only have the fuel keg system right now, waiting on the flame king. Your comment on the ring pressure relief valve will not spray on their own was great, I went out to test one of my filled fuel kegs and the ring valve did not let propane spray out... I had to test? Main questions were if the two systems are compatible and it seems not
@@untetherednomad6393 thanks for the detailed comment. Please let me know how those Flame Kings work out for you once they arrive. I love the Fuel Keg and probably won’t be switching, though.
Yah, I like my fuel kegs and fill adaptor. I will likely sell the Flame King adaptor and bottles or gift to a FT nomad in Q AZ this winter.@@TheMichiganFisherman
I’m curious about filling the Coleman bottles. I tend to only use propane with my Coleman stoves for group camping when I’m doing a lot more cooking. Generally I cook over a biomass stove when solo camping so while the benefits of the fuel keg are obvious, I’m not sure it’s worth the cost of entry. . How necessary is the fill/purge process on the green Coleman bottles? Since the key concern seems to be overfilling them, especially if you fill them cold and then the weather warms up. Wouldn’t filling without purging prevent any possible overpressure scenarios? Or can you not even partially fill them without purging?
It's not necessary to purge them, but if you don't you'll be limited to how much propane you can put in them. So yes, filling them without purging should prevent any possible overpressure scenarios.
I'm not sure but that's definitely concerning. There must be some new issue with quality control when they tried to meet the huge demand. That's disappointing.
I am new to all of this and watched a bunch of videos and experienced little problems refilling the fuel kegs but I did notice one thing you need to be very careful with (which is already a listed precaution) and that is NEVER install a fuel keg on a actively running device. I have a few times while screwing it into the device, seen it purged a bit while screwing it in and had the device been on, could be a big problem....so just be careful and make sure you never put a keg in while the device is running. I know this all goes with saying but I don't think you can say it enough.
The metal spike on the side of the filler mechanism probably pushes a safety valve and allows the excess to escape as it get full. Without the spike pushing on that valve the side mechanism does not allow the gases to bypass through when it is turned. Another safety mechanism working hand in hand together!
Recently purchased a Big Buddy and 4 fuel kegs. 2 of the kegs refill no problem, audibly venting the entire time. The other 2 hiss for a few seconds then… nothing. No noise or anything being released. Do I have 2 defective tanks or is it “normal” to not hear and feel venting the whole time?
I refilled Coleman bottles for years (still do), but as they age and have had multiple refilling, I tend to fill them until they stop taking fuel and DON'T purge them. Beings I mostly use the green bottles for the shop (and have a few dozen of them) I am really not concerned about getting them max filled.
@TheMichiganFisherman no, but the empties are stored in plastic milk crates in a fairly cool area (about 70 degrees avg). I usually wait until I have several and fill them all at once.
@@kevinmiller5467 well, you’d have to when you’re done filling it and it’s still attached to the refill kit. Otherwise you’re correct. I still keep mine closed, though. You don’t want debris to get in there.
@@derrickjohnston-iq3en hmmm. I have no idea. I’ve never had that happen to me nor have I heard of that happening. You’re sure it’s not just that the propane hasn’t gone back into the lines after going empty? Whenever mine goes empty it’s always a little tough to get that next bottle going.
I personally don't use a filter when I'm filling from the 20 lb to a 1 lb. However, if you're using one of those hoses to go from the 20 directly to the Mr. Heater then YES...I recommend the filter.
@@brianwest5348 Yeah, I made mention of the transport. But most people that refill them transport them (like me, I’m not gonna lie) 😂 I’m loving this refill kit for the convenience. Well worth the upfront hit on the cash.
If you think the Coleman tanks are thin, kook at the butane canisters that have a propane mix for lower temperatures. I know people who refill them with propane.
There are people every year that die filling those tanks that say eight on the tank Do Not Refill. Also if you transport the tank it's up to a 250000 dollar fine from dot.
Hey Bryan! What are your suggestions for storage of the Coleman 1 lb propane cans, in a basement? I've no storage units outdoors so I have many full ones downstairs in a area completely opposite my oil burner. And is it possible for the green tanks to leak if not used yet? Would it be wise to recap them all with the metal caps?
I would recap them with the metal caps in the description. They’re pretty cheap. As far as indoor storage, that is never recommended. I used to do it but once I realized that was a bad idea I started storing them in my garage. If you have no way to store them, I’d at least get a cheap Rubbermaid container or something and store them outside. Brand new green cans are very unlikely to leak if stored properly. I’ve never heard of one leaking.
Can ANYBODY tell me if you can put a torch attachment on a Mr. Heater 1lb. Tank....??....Mr. Heater has set their stuff up in a very proprietary way, but I can't find a Mr. Heater torch attachment anywhere. And the one I have that fits a Coleman doesn't seem to work on Mr. Heater.........Anybody...?
I have had disposable propane tanks that were refilled swell up. The paint came off and my hand like powder. And the welded section in the middle looked like a tight belt on a fat kid. That was when I quit refilling disposable.
It has been my experience that the Fuel Keg you want to fill MUST be COMPLETELY EMPTY before you attach it to the filler connector. Otherwise any propane in the 1lb cylinder will spray out.
On concern #4 sir you are wrong. The Flame King have that little stud on it bottles and II used a standard refill valve on my Flame King bottle YESTERDAY and it went well. I think both Flame King and Fuel Keg just want you to buy their nozzle so they can make more money. IT is all about money people and people like you sir MIGHT be paid to say you can't use a regular valve to fill these tanks. Like I said YESTERDAY I filled two Flame King 1 pound bottle with the standard valve. Not only that I used one of those bottles YESTERDAY for about 3 hours with no problem. So yes you can use that valve (the one he held up with the blue type or whatever)
@@manhunter3429 well then I made a mistake. I meant you can’t use the purge valve the way you need to without that refill kit. Yes, you can fill a Flame King the way you could a Coleman without it. I purchased these with my own money and I am not affiliated with Flame King or Mr. Heater in any way. I have less than 4K subscribers. Nobody is paying me anything. I’m small time. 😂
Well I think the fill speed is not a good measurement. It depends how full the 20# tank is. The more full the more pressure the faster it fills. Get down to a near empty 20# tank the slower it refills. I'm surprised there were no complaints regarding the black O ring and white sleeve in the keg coming off and sticking on the fill arm valves. I had and still have 2 tanks of 4 that those O rings keep coming off. I called Mr Heater customer service and they sent me 3 replacement kits, and told me to throw the old ones away. Those fit nice and tight but still came off onto the fill valve. I haven't filled tanks for 3 months warm here now. We'll see come fall time.
I have a 5 pounder. There's a time and place for 1 pounders. Would you carry a 5 pound tank backpacking? Probably not. I don't want to carry a 5 pounder while ice fishing.
If you put the fuel keg in the freezer for 10 minutes and get it really cold, the liquid propane entering the cold tank will not evaporate as much, resulting in less vapor release and a faster fill time. Just basic physics at work.
@@dougskucas5004 that is a good idea for those Green Colemans. But I wouldn’t do it for the Fuel Keg because that thing takes less than 2 minutes to fill. Putting it in the freezer for 10 minutes wouldn’t be worth it to me. But yes, again, for the Colemans it’s great 👍
You have now done a second video on the refill kit, that costs the most. When are you going to do the video, that you promised last time, that would show me how to fill an empty 1# tank at a lower cost? If it's cheaper, I may prefer that over quicker. If it involves freezing the 1# tank, I don't need to see that. I know it's slow. Something different would be welcome though.
@@mrhalfstep I COMPLETELY forgot to do that video. I’m sorry. I’m off work tomorrow and I can’t fish (someone working on my chimney) so I’ll try and shoot that video tomorrow.
@@TheMichiganFisherman Looking forward to it. I have a number of full 20 and 30 pound tanks that can't be refilled because the DOT certification is expired, so I intend to use the gas up in refilled 1 pound tanks that my friends give me when they get empty.
@@TheMichiganFisherman the hose made to fit the buddy and filter for said hose never could get it to work pilot lite would come on faintly and then go out No flow some how Junk I want to try this set up
If you put the 20lb bottle in the sun and the coleman tanks in the freezer for an hour it takes less time to fill than the fuel keg. Just make sure to weigh before and after
I see no reason that you couldn't use a cheap adapter to refill the Fuel Keg, the adapter would screw on it like it would any other tank. You just wouldn't have the functionality of the vent/overfill prevention which would negate the advantage of buying this tank.
I just tried that yesterday. The propane flowed for about 5 to 10 seconds and then stopped. I weighed it. Only 4 oz of propane made it in the tank. I think it has to be vented in order to fill it all the way.
@mrtbass It won't matter until something goes wrong and investigators get involved. Then your insurance companies denies your claim, voids your life, auto, homeowners insurance and leave you financially ruined.
@@JimG-e1d those aren’t ads, they’re end screens for related videos. And they were placed after the main information of the video was already laid out. But sorry if I wasted your time. Thanks for watching. 😂👍
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Can you use the Fuel Keg refill adapter on the Fuel King Canisters. Bath have the pin but the Fuel Keg pin is longer
Nope you can Not
Great job addressing the concerns. Great stuff
Thanks, Sean. So many people kept asking the same questions over and over again. Now I'll just direct them to this video.
Not gonna lie this video can come in handy for when my son wants to go and do outdoors type things. So I have to look back at this one day 🤝🏼👍🏻
Nice 🤝. I’ve refilled them a few times now. I like them more every time I use them.
Great follow up Bryan! Great way to share the questions and concerns with everyone as a lot do not leave comments or go through them to find answers of other questions 👍👍
I answer every comment. Now I can say to watch this instead. Makes life easier for me. 😂
Do NOT use the little brass bleeder screw, "if" you do it strips really easy although I was able to fill it with the std adpt.
Well done! In glad i ran onto this video and your previous keg video. I have the refill kit and the 20lbs adapter. You were spot on with the weight differences. I like to hole hop while ice fishin and i hate lugging that heavy tank around while doing that. Be safe and thanks for the information.
@@nightowlsadventures thanks for such a positive comment. Definitely a time and place for both options. I love the Fuel Keg and we’ve had A LOT of ice this year in Michigan so I’ve been using it often.
You just addressed my main concern and that is a kid playing with the ring and opening the valve. With this info, the elimination of the need for any tools to fill puts the keg ahead in the race! Thanks!
You’re welcome! Glad I could help you out 👍
Great rebuttals!
Thanks! You have a new logo! 👍
Very good information, Thanks for publishing this! I started a couple of years ago, refilling Coleman tanks with a small adapter. But I kept thinking about that warning that's printed right on the tanks, that they are not meant to be refilled. Just because you don't know of anyone having a problem doesn't mean it's never happened. Probably some of the people that it happened to aren't around to warn us ... Using Fuel Keg gives me some peace of mind, which I think is well worth the price. I use my grill a lot, so with the money I'm saving by not buying the Colemans, the Fuel Keg will pay for itself soon enough.
@@kentmulter I completely agree with what you said.
Actually, one guy commented on here that some of his Colemans DID leak so I’ll probably start sticking to the Fuel Kegs from here on out.
i wonder if they were all do to over filling?
@@RocksNRuts4 - I worked in propane. Largest propane supplier. Tanks used to be filled to 90% years ago. The problem was this: If you fill a tank to 90% and then it gets exposed to heat, such as being in the sun, the tank builds pressure and could end up being at 100% (which is) over filled. And exactly why disposable tanks are not allowed to be transported in a car. Car temperatures can rise a heap in the summer. This is why tanks are now filled to 80%. If you stop filling when the vent starts spitting, the tank is not over filled. The spitter does it's duty at the 80% fill level. This is the safe filling level. Anyone who fills past this level, just doesn't understand why the 20% vapor space is there. Believe me. You don't ever want liquid propane coming to any household propane appliance. Btw, the reason tanks sitting outside are painted white is to minimize the pressure build up when the hot sun is bearing down on the tank.
@@TheMichiganFisherman- I really don't recommend filling disposable tanks. They are just too thin walled. Propane is stored in tanks at very high pressures. 100-200 PSI. A standard 20-pound propane tank at 70 degrees will have 145 psi internal pressure. That same tank on a 100-degree day will have 172 psi of pressure. Yes, you can refill disposable tanks but it's at your own risk. These tanks do rust inside. If the tank ruptures, you need to hope you are no where near when it does. I worked in the propane business. I just can't recommend refilling disposable tanks. I think the Fuel Keg is a very good refillable tank with all the safety features needed.
@@evertmorse8518 ty i agree
I have already learned most everything from this video the hard way. Had I seen this video ahead of time, it would have helped tremendously. Great video.
@@keithadennis thanks so much for the kind words 😀
Thank. you for fairly and honestly presenting both the pros and cons of refilling choices.
@@njlarry100 you’re welcome. I’m a big fan of the Fuel Keg. I just bought two more (4 total now)
Great video and good points. Glad you went over those questions from people. All good questions and answer's! Common questions everyone would ask too!
Thanks, buddy. I did it for the people.
…and the views. 😂
Thanks for the info. I found it very useful. I recently purchased the refill kit and a couple of canisters. As one who lives in a travel trailer full time. I have found my portable propane stove far nor effective than my regular stove. During the summer, I prefer not to heat my little home while cooking, so there is daily use of the camp stove for outside cooking. Also, my Mr. Buddy heater uses less propane to supplement my electric heat during winter to heat just the one room. It is nice to refill canisters.
@@jamesrobinson1214 yeah they’re so convenient. I haven’t refilled them a ton this summer but come winter and ice fishing season I’ll be using them a lot again. 👍
Great explanation. I have an 11pound on the back of my sprinter but always have a couple of extra 1 pounders just in case. I am going to grab one of these based on your video. THANKS
@@mtnride4930 Nice! I hope you like them as much as I do.
Thanks for the link for the brass caps. I think I might out some on the fuel kegs. Extra protection against a leak. You don't want a garage full of propane.
That’s right, unless you like explosions 😂👍
I too was not aware the fuel keg purge valve could not be actvated without the refill device attached. I went with flame king when I bought my system, and in reality since the ONLY time the purge valve comes into play is when you refill the cylinder, I simply attach the allen wrench (used eith a flame king tank) to a small magnet I glued to the recharge stand where it remains readily at hand for the next use. My big preference for the flame king is the ease in which the refill device can be modified to refill the single use (coleman and others) cylinders as well. BOTH flame king and fuel keg are MUCH more practical in terms of cost than single use brands. AND...who hasn't needed to use a torch or other device using a 1 lb. cylinder, only to find it was low on fuel. You cross your fingers and "hope" you can finish the job before running out of fuel.. otherwise you have to stop what you're doing and drive however far to a store to get another cylinder to finish up. With the refillables, in as little as 5 minutes "you are back in business"!!!
@@MIKET5609 very true. Both systems work very well.
Thank you for this this info answered many of my questions
Glad it was helpful!
I couldn't figure out why my Flame King fill kit wouldn't allow the Fuel Keg to vent when filling. Now I know. Thanks!
@@bpd231martinko9 you’re welcome! 👍
Super helpful information Bryan. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks, Jay!
I missed an opportunity to plug kayak fishing dads while that propane was filling. 😂👍
@@TheMichiganFisherman 😂 would’ve been the perfect spot 🤦🏽♂️
If you're going to refill the green Coleman cylinders, you MUST weigh them to know when they are full! Thank you for clarifying the operation of the bleed-off valve. That was my #1 concern about the Mr. Heater cylinders.
@@username-mc7jw you’re welcome. It was my main concern as well.
I just purchased the fuel keg refill kit and 8 fuel keg refillable bottles at tractor.
Price out the door was $186.65 Total for everything I listed.
Tractor supply is a good go to place if your looking 4 anything.
They price match with no problems 😊
I'm a happy camper😊
@@beachbums2008 nice! You’re set up for the long haul 👍
I invested in the Fuel Keg System after refilling the green canisters for years. Stored full ones in a Heavy duty tote. Last fall I went to grab a few for a camping trip and had a leaker.
@@ericbuzza6265 I’m glad you like the Fuel Keg. I never had a leaker for the green ones but I don’t think I should press my luck any more.
@ericbuzza6265 leaker for the green one (coleman)?
The other videos iv seen on this as well as from mr heater say to wait until you have a steady stream of liquid shoot out of the perfect value before stopping
@@chadvess7008 yup that’s correct, or at least what I saw in the video from Mr Heater. 👍
Very nice follow up!
Thanks, Lucas! Just wait til you see the next video: 189 view LSC Smallie Slam 👍
Excellent follow up video.
@@helidude3502 thanks, dude.
sweet vid thanks!, you answered some good questions in a clear way!
@@chillios2222 thanks! I hope it helped with your decision if you purchase it.
Fantastic explanation!
Glad it was helpful!
I recently purchased one of these propane cylinders. It is well built. It weighs 1lb 13oz. I attempted to refill it with a generic ebay unit with the gauge on it. I could only get about 4 oz of propane in it. Has to be vented. So I ordered the refill kit. A standard propane torch head fits on it and works just fine.
I'm glad you like it as much as I do. Thanks for the heads up on the propane torch head.
Fuel keg empty refillable "tare weight" is just over 2lbs. Each
Excellent video! One question. With their groovy purge valve system, do you find these kegs able to accommodate a One FULL Pound of propane?
Yes,no need to worry about over filling them with the purge valve!😊
Purge valve will keep them from overfilling.
Awesome video 😊 I just bought this kit with 3 cyclinders
Thanks. I hope you like it as much as I do.
Thank you for sharing this video
Nice yup I've had to throw a coman tank over board after refilling a lot .. So that cap would be helpful cause I don't trust them to set fuel...Maybe I over filled...
@@derrickjohnston-iq3en it’s possible. The caps are just a nice peace of mind.
Has this issue (by another user) been resolved?
6 days ago
Fuelkegs have a flaw during the welding part. Sometimes the welders leave the beads inside the tank without cleaning them out. And they get stuck in the valve if you turn the tank upside down. I ordered 4 FuelKegs and only one of them didnt have the beads. You can shake them around to hear it. So i ordered 15 more of them to Home Depot so i can pick out 3 good ones. 10 of them were full of beads. One had only a small amount of beads, and 4 were perfect. I kept those 4. So now i have 5 perfect FuelKegs out of 19 ordered.
I was gifted the fuel keg system, keg and all. I was excited. Set it up to fill the keg. Started the process , no air/gas was being pushed from the purge valve. Reconnected the keg to the filler valve about 3 times same result." No hissing". Changed filler bottles same thing. I was frustrated. I took a small pin punch and freed up the brass rod that opens the hole for tank to purge I could hear some gas escape. I manually turned the ring back and forth while using the punch to depress the rod in the tank and I guess it freed it up. I reconnected the keg, and it filled as it should. I haven't used the keg on an appliance yet. I anxious to see if it refills ok. I have several Mr Heater products all have worked good. I was disappointed with keg system "out of the box" it may wind up being fine. the jury is still out.
I used to hear nothing but good things about this system (and I've had a good experience) but lately more and more people are saying otherwise.
I may have to buy a few more NEWER tanks and try them out. Perhaps there's a new quality control issue.
Thanks for the comment.
@@TheMichiganFishermanthe problem is not more people saying otherwise, it’s more stupid people buying a product they have no knowledge of and no knowledge of how these things work. Some people are not intelligent enough to do these kinds of things. These are the people we will be fighting off when all hell breaks loose in the USA.
When I fill my Flame Kings, it only takes 40 seconds. Why is that? Because I live where it's warmer? Or does it have something to do with the difference between the Flame King and the Fuel Keg?
Strange. Not sure.
Thank you for sharing
My pleasure
It's really simple with the Coleman tanks,
if you don't trust them then don't do it very often,
even if you fill it once,
or twice you're still saving a buttload of money, as long as you're purging them and weighing them to make sure you're putting the proper amount inside you should have no issue then after you fill it the second time throw it away when it's done filling them once or twice and then disposing of them is absolutely not going to hurt anything as long as you do it right.
@@BUZZKILLJRJR exactly. I always have people warning me against doing it but I’ve never had a problem and I’ve never met anyone that had a problem.
Then again, maybe I didn’t meet them because they’re no longer with us 😂💀
I refilled the Coleman "non-refillable" thanks for over six years. I simply got tired of the fact that they never refill all the way. And, if you try any tricks to get them to refill more fully, THAT'S when you can get into trouble. I causes a whole set of five to swell quite a bit. I had to take them outside and empty them as fast as possible because the looked as if they might burst at any second.
I got the Fuel Kegs, so I don't have to mess around with that any more. AND I won't have to fill them as often, because you can safely fill them up completely.
@@GrantSR yup. The Fuel Kegs are great. TBH, I still have a few Colemans lying around but as soon as I use them up I’ll be done with them.
Great followup video. I saw the first one. Earlier this summer before your video I purchased both the flame king and the Fuel keg adaptor systems and 4 bottles of each. I wanted to try both. I have been refilling greenies for five years and transporting as i am a ft nomad and felt maybe i should get legal!
I only have the fuel keg system right now, waiting on the flame king. Your comment on the ring pressure relief valve will not spray on their own was great, I went out to test one of my filled fuel kegs and the ring valve did not let propane spray out...
I had to test?
Main questions were if the two systems are compatible and it seems not
@@untetherednomad6393 thanks for the detailed comment.
Please let me know how those Flame Kings work out for you once they arrive.
I love the Fuel Keg and probably won’t be switching, though.
Yah, I like my fuel kegs and fill adaptor. I will likely sell the Flame King adaptor and bottles or gift to a FT nomad in Q AZ this winter.@@TheMichiganFisherman
If one uses a rubber hose then one has to put a propane filter on it to refill a bottle because of contamination and potential blockage.
@@captain54526 absolutely correct 👍
If you dont want to buy a 20lb tank, can you take the 1lb bottles to a refill station? Will they refill them?
@@dontcallmehowie I’m sure you could but I would just feel silly. But I don’t see why they wouldn’t do it.
I’m curious about filling the Coleman bottles. I tend to only use propane with my Coleman stoves for group camping when I’m doing a lot more cooking. Generally I cook over a biomass stove when solo camping so while the benefits of the fuel keg are obvious, I’m not sure it’s worth the cost of entry.
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How necessary is the fill/purge process on the green Coleman bottles? Since the key concern seems to be overfilling them, especially if you fill them cold and then the weather warms up. Wouldn’t filling without purging prevent any possible overpressure scenarios? Or can you not even partially fill them without purging?
It's not necessary to purge them, but if you don't you'll be limited to how much propane you can put in them. So yes, filling them without purging should prevent any possible overpressure scenarios.
obviously with quite a few kegs the relief valve is not working - any ideas how to fix it ?
I'm not sure but that's definitely concerning. There must be some new issue with quality control when they tried to meet the huge demand. That's disappointing.
do u mean u dont have to fill the grn ones when tryn to get the full 1 lb?
Not sure of the question. You can fill the green ones to a full pound.
I prefer the set screw that Flame King uses. I bought a 4 pack for $60 on there website
Those are also a great option 👍
I am new to all of this and watched a bunch of videos and experienced little problems refilling the fuel kegs but I did notice one thing you need to be very careful with (which is already a listed precaution) and that is NEVER install a fuel keg on a actively running device. I have a few times while screwing it into the device, seen it purged a bit while screwing it in and had the device been on, could be a big problem....so just be careful and make sure you never put a keg in while the device is running. I know this all goes with saying but I don't think you can say it enough.
That’s an excellent point and you’re correct.
The metal spike on the side of the filler mechanism probably pushes a safety valve and allows the excess to escape as it get full. Without the spike pushing on that valve the side mechanism does not allow the gases to bypass through when it is turned. Another safety mechanism working hand in hand together!
@@Majeskty that’s right. I really like this product and I’m excited to use it more now that we’re getting closer to ice fishing season.
Recently purchased a Big Buddy and 4 fuel kegs. 2 of the kegs refill no problem, audibly venting the entire time. The other 2 hiss for a few seconds then… nothing. No noise or anything being released. Do I have 2 defective tanks or is it “normal” to not hear and feel venting the whole time?
I refilled Coleman bottles for years (still do), but as they age and have had multiple refilling, I tend to fill them until they stop taking fuel and DON'T purge them. Beings I mostly use the green bottles for the shop (and have a few dozen of them) I am really not concerned about getting them max filled.
@@BigCarmine that’s probably a better idea. Do you freeze the one pounders before you do that?
@TheMichiganFisherman no, but the empties are stored in plastic milk crates in a fairly cool area (about 70 degrees avg). I usually wait until I have several and fill them all at once.
Is there an adapter to fit to a big bottle and pipe? I can’t find one in UK
I'm not sure. I'll have to look into that.
0:45 So what you're saying is there is no reason to ever close the purge valve. 🤔
@@kevinmiller5467 well, you’d have to when you’re done filling it and it’s still attached to the refill kit.
Otherwise you’re correct. I still keep mine closed, though. You don’t want debris to get in there.
So a friend tried to use a keg tank on a coman lamp...And now it won't work on my heater...How do I fix this?
@@derrickjohnston-iq3en hmmm. I have no idea. I’ve never had that happen to me nor have I heard of that happening.
You’re sure it’s not just that the propane hasn’t gone back into the lines after going empty? Whenever mine goes empty it’s always a little tough to get that next bottle going.
My concerned is how many canisters can fill up from 20 lbs propane tank until emptied?
20 to 25 canisters?
@@kennethmccann6402 well, if you have 20 lbs of propane in your tank you should get 20 bottles.
What happens when the schrader valve goes bad on the Fuel
keg?
@@snort455 kaboom! Game over, man. Game over!
😂. Not sure. I haven’t had one fail yet.
When are you gonna do a video on how to fill a Coleman tank with purging?
@@bonsukan probably soon because I’m actually using them now that I’m ice fishing. Sorry for the delay.
Do you recommend using a filter when filling from a 20 lb tank? Particularly if using on a Mr. Heater,
I personally don't use a filter when I'm filling from the 20 lb to a 1 lb. However, if you're using one of those hoses to go from the 20 directly to the Mr. Heater then YES...I recommend the filter.
@@TheMichiganFisherman Unless it's a Mr. Heater hose, then you shouldn't need a filter.
It's not illegal to refill the Coleman tanks, but it is illegal to transport them in a vehicle. Cheap rv living did a video on this.
@@brianwest5348 Yeah, I made mention of the transport. But most people that refill them transport them (like me, I’m not gonna lie) 😂
I’m loving this refill kit for the convenience. Well worth the upfront hit on the cash.
If you think the Coleman tanks are thin, kook at the butane canisters that have a propane mix for lower temperatures. I know people who refill them with propane.
Yup. Absolutely!
upper right or upper left?
What?
Do these Fuel Keg tanks come prefilled?
No. They're empty.
Mine came prefilled
Mr heater kegs do not come prefilled! End of your story @@kurtrussell5228
There are people every year that die filling those tanks that say eight on the tank Do Not Refill. Also if you transport the tank it's up to a 250000 dollar fine from dot.
@@lloydames8752 “I ALSO like to live dangerously.”
- Austin Powers
Hey Bryan! What are your suggestions for storage of the Coleman 1 lb propane cans, in a basement? I've no storage units outdoors so I have many full ones downstairs in a area completely opposite my oil burner. And is it possible for the green tanks to leak if not used yet? Would it be wise to recap them all with the metal caps?
I would recap them with the metal caps in the description. They’re pretty cheap.
As far as indoor storage, that is never recommended. I used to do it but once I realized that was a bad idea I started storing them in my garage.
If you have no way to store them, I’d at least get a cheap Rubbermaid container or something and store them outside.
Brand new green cans are very unlikely to leak if stored properly. I’ve never heard of one leaking.
Also seemed to have forgotten to mentioned the hefty fine for transporting the disposable canisters after refilling 🤔
I don’t know the amount but I made sure to say it’s not legal to transport. That usually implies a fine. 👍
How would a cop ever determine if they were refilled?
@ that is true. However, better safe than sorry on my part.
Can ANYBODY tell me if you can put a torch attachment on a Mr. Heater 1lb. Tank....??....Mr. Heater has set their stuff up in a very proprietary way, but I can't find a Mr. Heater torch attachment anywhere. And the one I have that fits a Coleman doesn't seem to work on Mr. Heater.........Anybody...?
Not sure. I've never tried it.
One fule keg on amazon is 70 bucks home Depot 18.50
@@randytricker8585 it’s $18.25 on Amazon right now.
@@randytricker8585 amzn.to/4iAdyyK
@TheMichiganFisherman ok. Amazon canada is 70 bucks. USA 18 bucks.
@@TheMichiganFisherman also home Depot USA is 18.50. cant even get them in Canada at home Depot.
@@TheMichiganFisherman yes my problem just saying.
I have had disposable propane tanks that were refilled swell up. The paint came off and my hand like powder. And the welded section in the middle looked like a tight belt on a fat kid. That was when I quit refilling disposable.
That's crazy!!! Luckily I've never had that happen. I always leave some space in there on the green Colemans though.
It has been my experience that the Fuel Keg you want to fill MUST be COMPLETELY EMPTY before you attach it to the filler connector. Otherwise any propane in the 1lb cylinder will spray out.
On concern #4 sir you are wrong. The Flame King have that little stud on it bottles and II used a standard refill valve on my Flame King bottle YESTERDAY and it went well. I think both Flame King and Fuel Keg just want you to buy their nozzle so they can make more money. IT is all about money people and people like you sir MIGHT be paid to say you can't use a regular valve to fill these tanks. Like I said YESTERDAY I filled two Flame King 1 pound bottle with the standard valve. Not only that I used one of those bottles YESTERDAY for about 3 hours with no problem. So yes you can use that valve (the one he held up with the blue type or whatever)
@@manhunter3429 well then I made a mistake. I meant you can’t use the purge valve the way you need to without that refill kit.
Yes, you can fill a Flame King the way you could a Coleman without it.
I purchased these with my own money and I am not affiliated with Flame King or Mr. Heater in any way.
I have less than 4K subscribers. Nobody is paying me anything. I’m small time. 😂
Well I think the fill speed is not a good measurement. It depends how full the 20# tank is. The more full the more pressure the faster it fills. Get down to a near empty 20# tank the slower it refills.
I'm surprised there were no complaints regarding the black O ring and white sleeve in the keg coming off and sticking on the fill arm valves. I had and still have 2 tanks of 4 that those O rings keep coming off. I called Mr Heater customer service and they sent me 3 replacement kits, and told me to throw the old ones away. Those fit nice and tight but still came off onto the fill valve. I haven't filled tanks for 3 months warm here now. We'll see come fall time.
Wow! I haven’t had that issue yet but I’ll keep an eye on it. I appreciate the detailed feedback, bud 👍
FYI - it is illegal to transport a Colman (or any tank not certified for refilling)
@@mrlpowell2587 that’s correct. I covered that in the FIRST video before I made this follow-up video. 👍
@@TheMichiganFisherman I did just watch this one, thanks for the clarification
How do you get them home after purchase?
How would a cop determine if it was refilled?
Get a 5lb refillable tank. Fuel Keg should come out with a larger tank.
I have a 5 pounder. There's a time and place for 1 pounders.
Would you carry a 5 pound tank backpacking? Probably not.
I don't want to carry a 5 pounder while ice fishing.
If you put the fuel keg in the freezer for 10 minutes and get it really cold, the liquid propane entering the cold tank will not evaporate as much, resulting in less vapor release and a faster fill time. Just basic physics at work.
@@dougskucas5004 that is a good idea for those Green Colemans. But I wouldn’t do it for the Fuel Keg because that thing takes less than 2 minutes to fill. Putting it in the freezer for 10 minutes wouldn’t be worth it to me.
But yes, again, for the Colemans it’s great 👍
If you're gonna refill, you should be refilling more than one because of the waste of propane captured in the fill valve.
@@henrymorgan3982 completely right. I should’ve mentioned that. I have multiple.
You have now done a second video on the refill kit, that costs the most. When are you going to do the video, that you promised last time, that would show me how to fill an empty 1# tank at a lower cost? If it's cheaper, I may prefer that over quicker. If it involves freezing the 1# tank, I don't need to see that. I know it's slow. Something different would be welcome though.
@@mrhalfstep I COMPLETELY forgot to do that video. I’m sorry.
I’m off work tomorrow and I can’t fish (someone working on my chimney) so I’ll try and shoot that video tomorrow.
@@TheMichiganFisherman Looking forward to it. I have a number of full 20 and 30 pound tanks that can't be refilled because the DOT certification is expired, so I intend to use the gas up in refilled 1 pound tanks that my friends give me when they get empty.
I wish someone made 2 pound tanks.
Yup, that would be PERFECT for me.
Can you refill disposable containers??? you can, but you shouldn’t…..eventually you will have problems
@@scotthansenmtbt4110 perhaps you’re right but I’ve never had a problem with one.
No it won't Leak but that valve goes bad often making it impossible to fill it! They sent me 2 out of 10 replacements. Bad design
I don't need the flame King kit to fill my flame King up
i got the hose and filter for the 20 lb tank could not get it to work .....garbage junk
@@silky900 the Fuel Keg was junk? Or the hose and 20 lb tank?
@@TheMichiganFisherman the hose made to fit the buddy and filter for said hose never could get it to work pilot lite would come on faintly and then go out
No flow some how
Junk
I want to try this set up
Eddie's nephew is a Clown. I have 4 kegs and love them
@@CatHound 😂. He probably meant Cousin Eddie from National Lampoons Vacation, anyway.
Glad you love them. I do, too.
@@TheMichiganFisherman yeah I knew that but he would still be his nephew lol
listen to him... and pay attention.
😂👍
If you put the 20lb bottle in the sun and the coleman tanks in the freezer for an hour it takes less time to fill than the fuel keg. Just make sure to weigh before and after
@@gingerman6560 I’ve always heard that and never tried it. Thanks.
I got mine at Tractor Supply. Why give Jeff Bezos more money?
@@GrantSR because he’s the man. I love Amazon. 😂👍
That’s not true. I own several of these and they leak if the purge valve gets turned….even if it isn’t connected to anything.
You’re wrong.
I see no reason that you couldn't use a cheap adapter to refill the Fuel Keg, the adapter would screw on it like it would any other tank. You just wouldn't have the functionality of the vent/overfill prevention which would negate the advantage of buying this tank.
I just tried that yesterday. The propane flowed for about 5 to 10 seconds and then stopped. I weighed it. Only 4 oz of propane made it in the tank. I think it has to be vented in order to fill it all the way.
If you refill a Coleman, it can't be transported.
"legally" But how would a cop know if it's refilled or not?
@mrtbass It won't matter until something goes wrong and investigators get involved. Then your insurance companies denies your claim, voids your life, auto, homeowners insurance and leave you financially ruined.
@@WWade-cm8hx So the real issue is that it can be dangerous, not so much that it's illegal.
That's true. I mentioned it.
Sorry your wrong brass caps will not stop a leak from a bad valve 😢
You’re right…the RUBBER in the caps will.
@TheMichiganFisherman if the rubber in the brass goes bad replace it with a o-ring of the appropriate size.
It works I've done it before😊
Adds blocked the last part of the video. I wasted my time watching this.
@@JimG-e1d those aren’t ads, they’re end screens for related videos.
And they were placed after the main information of the video was already laid out.
But sorry if I wasted your time. Thanks for watching. 😂👍