That's a knock-off of a much more expensive system. Part of that system is a tank that's designed to be refilled as opposed to the disposable tanks you are using. The original system had a way to fill it up to roughly the original capacity.
You can purge the air from the green bottle with it upright like you would a tire by depressing the plunger in the middle of the main fitting. You can also pull the center of the Schrader valve with hemostats or needle nose pliers. Once the air is purged you can out the bottle back on and fill completely.
Cody, use a pair of hemostats and pull out on that little Schrader valve while you are filling. you will get them full that way. That's how I refill them and I've never weighed the 1 LB bottle afterwards but I believe you can fit more than 1 LB in them.
You have to PULL on the Schrader Valve. To bleed off the air space on top.... I've refilled many of them to over a pound. Don't recommend overfilling as they may not be designed to hold over 1#. Love your content.
Warning: 20 lbs tank may sometimes contain welding spatter debris inside at the bottom - some lazy workers don't remove these debris before installing the tank valve. When you put the tank upside down, these debris may clog the tank valve or worst, a tiny metal spec may travel and block the valve of the 1lb bottle - the bottle will spray all propane when it's disconnected from 20 lbs tank. Tilt the 20 lbs tank to 45 degrees and listen inside for the spatter sliding at the bottom of the tank - it sounds like sand sliding inside. If you hear this, I suggest not using that particular tank to refill 1 lb bottles.
At very least, incline the 20lbs tank *very slowly* until upside down. If the 1lb can keeps hissing after being refilled and disconnected, *be outdoor* and use something like half a piece of wooden q-tip and quickly press down and release on the top refill valve - it will vent some gas and hopefully this will unclog the debris on the valve - but it can also block the valve even worst - repeat if needed
LP is meant to be used in its gaseous state. LP weighs @ 4 lbs. per gal. and boils (turns to a gas at @ -44 deg F. LP usage cylinders like these and the bigger ones you may have for your grill, RV, home, etc. are designed to only release the gas under their own pressure. Modifying these cylinders by inverting them or adding a tube to the valve which extends to the lower portion of the tank will allow you to access the LP (I installed a liquid tube and valve in my 300 gal home tank for refilling my cylinders). I used to haul LP, inspect cylinders and refill cylinders as a job which required a license to do so, so I have a little knowledge and background with this topic. Cheaper, simpler transfer tools can be built and bought. A scale is handy but these tanks will typically not overfill due to the tanks equalizing pressure. That is if they are starting out at the same temperature. If you cool the receiving tank it will have a lower internal pressure allowing for greater liquid volume but beware of overfilling. LP tanks are only filled to 80% capacity to provide a margin of pressure safety as the liquid expands and contracts with changing liquid temperatures. Be careful. These 1 lb tanks are made of light material and could fail with repeated use and especially if overfilled. These little tanks are not intended for reuse and have no certifiable inspection like your larger cylinders and tanks require. Refilling these single cylinders is actually illegal because of this. Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, just giving facts. The little Schrader valve on the top of the cylinder is an over pressure release device. You can vent pressure created when filling using this device but that is not its design. It is only designed to release outward so pressing in on it with a small tool can damage the valve rendering the tank useless. Now you know. Be safe and smart Professional Homeowners!
I agree with everything here except the end - I'm not certain but I believe it is legal to fill for personal use, though it is probably illegal to transport or sell.
i think its a grey zone that just needs some common sense and a little knowledge like what is shared here its certainly lest wastefull and mayber cost saving when done in an efficeint manar lets say lol
My dad refilled these many decades ago when he was in his camper boondocking and hours from town and back and then it became a habit for him because of the savings. I thought it not worth the trouble for so little savings but a few year ago I started refilling mine , I go through lots of 1 lb bottles in a year even though I have everything I can hooked to large tanks . Right now in my neck of the woods , 1lb propane bottles will cost from 7 to 9 dollars a bottle , I have all my large tanks filled 20 lb to 100 lb one single 20 lb tank only cost 16 bucks to have filled .......do the math, that 80 cents a bottle. After several years with common sense and saftey applied......I can fill my one pounders full and if you have abilities and common sense you can to. Swapping tanks cost more , own your 20 lb tanks and have them filled where they have propane filling station. Mark your one pounders with a marker each refill , I was trashing them alround 10 to 15 refills after stopping at camp grounds in my area and collecting bottles thats been trashed after just one use and look brand new, now I have settled on 20 unless something about the bottle dosent look right. You don't need to be a electrician to replace a light fixture , you don't have to be a auto mechanic to change your breaks and you don't even have to be a roofing contractor to roof your house but it will require abilities and common sense......if you are not going to use or be in need of more than a half dozen 1lb bottles of propane in a year, go find another project for your got to list , it might be a penny wise and a lb foolish !
My LP supplier installed a filler on one of my propane tanks so I could fill my portable tanks. I’ve thought about getting one of these things to fill one pounders. The information regarding the pressure relief valve is very useful to me. Thanks
Your humility when you learn something new is respectful. I truly realize you have the option to not share those shortcomings with us. Much respect sir.
You CAN use that schrader valve and evacuate the extra air in the tank WHILE your filling it. I’ve refilled about 25 of them last winter with my amazon purchase refill kit for 1 lb tanks. BUT be sure to ONLY fill them to 80 % to allow for expansion. I weighed mine before and after as well and it WORKED. I now have ALL of my 1lb tanks filled in my shop, ready to go hunting with my buddy heater once again!
Like many others have said, throw those canisters in the deep freezer and then fill them up after they've sat in there for a day or two. I've filled mine up over a pound in about a minute easily with that method. Just wish my refiller had that handy nozzle instead of having to open and close the main valve on the bigger tank.
This is because the colder propane is the lower the pressure is. R-134a for your cars AC is the same like how you could heat up the bottle of 134a with warm water to get all of the refrigerant out of can and into the system
@@james6794 never new about heating a can of r134a. It make sense though considering that your system pressure fluctuates with ambient temperature. On a side note propane makes an excellent refrigerant.
@@james6794 yup we used to use that trick while filling our ice makers with hundreds of pounds of freon with 125 lb. cylinders to get all we could out of them after R-22 started getting expensive.
The key is to make sure you don’t overfill. A cylinder that is completely liquid filled can leak or even split due to thermal expansion when temperature rises. Using the scale is smart. Also, of course, inspect to be sure cylinder isn’t damaged or corroded.
As a gas fitter in Australia we work to the 80 percent safe fill level (SFL) to allow for thermal expansion. Also LPG stands for Liquid Petroleum Gas in order for a liquid to turn to a gas it must first boil hence why the cylinder gets cold when you draw from it it’s boiling and turning from liquid to a gas. If you invert the charge gas bottle it helps with this as liquid will be up top gas down bottom of bottle for draw off.
Those wide bottles are nice for the torch because they are more stable when you put them down. For some things it's worth the lower BTU output for the convenience.
I have the Flame King refillable cylinders. They have both 14 and 16 oz versions. They have a purge set screw to allow the tank to fill all the way. If you use them enough you can recoup the cost. God bless.
You can freeze the tanks and get more into the tank per fill. Also bleed some gas (air propane) from the tank and keep filling. You can get them 100% full
There’s a set up from a company called flame king. They make refillable bottles that are better at taking a full refill. But most of us have tons of these coleman ones rolling around. Also the reason you can’t refill from an upright position is because propane in the tank is in liquid form so I will settled to the bottom of the tank. Thanks and God bless.
The freezer method works, I've also filled past a pound by accident, works best when your 20lb tank is over half full and warm, and the 1lb tanks sit in the freezer, but they don't need to sit in the freezer for much more than 10 or 15 minutes. Every spring when I get all my 20lb grill tanks filled I fill my 1lb tanks and use about 25% of my 20lb tanks, leaving me with a bunch of 3/4 full 20lb tanks..... Very worth it! I have the same device. I also fill 1lb tanks for friends and family, it becomes very easy once you get the system down. Put your 20lb tanks in the sun and your 1lb tanks in the freezer and it'll work like a dream upside down!
Place the "Empty" 1 LB tank in the freezer for a period of time. I left them for an hour or more. Then do as you did and you should get 1 LB of propane. I've been doing it for years, after filling check with leak fluid or soapy water for leaks . If they leaked I would screw them onto something with a shut off and chuck that tank after it was empty. I be able to refill tanks 3 - 5 times before they started to "leak" so as you say "Act accordingly"
Big tank needs to be warmer than the small tank. Schrader valve pulls out. Can’t really go wrong around a pound. If it expands too much, the valve releases the gas. Spray the valves down with soapy water and if the schrader valve bubbles, put it in the sunlight outside and test for leaks again in a little while. If the main valve leaks, put an implement on it.
Hey my brother...love your channel...i already started stocking and prepping up since 2019....Here in California...Weve already converted our above ground pool as a Fresh water source....i made homemade water filter out of 2 ltr soda bottles with activated charcoal...we have tons of Purifying tablets...canned goods...tons of beans, rice, flour, powdered milk for 2 years...Started growing our own fruits and vegetables since 2019.... We have 8 large propane tanks...( overfilled )...and 10 of those 1lb tanks ( overfilled also )...We stocked up alot also on Antibiotics....medicine, vitamins, epipens, albuterol even Trauma kits.... I was with the U.S Forest service with Crew 77 Type 2 Roadrunners from 2008 - 2012... God bless you and your family brother...Always in my prayers...
I have been camping for 25 days short of a year. Most our stoves and heaters take the 1lb bottles. We run adapters for 20lb tanks, but we keep a few 1lbers for back up and touches. To refill more just press the center of the main opening down and let the gassiated propane escape to make room for more liquid. You'll know you got it when liquid is coming out. Just top it off after that.
You need to purge the oxygen that has gotten into the bottle built at the top when you fill the tanks. Use a Allen wrench and push 2 or 3 times the spring valve in the neck then fill further. The valve on the shoulder is a pressure release so you need to pull it, but I don't mess with those since pliers muck up the valve stem and prefer not to mess with the fail safe.
@@warriorson7979 theres a little bit of air in this device when you connect it to you bir propane tank. not much tho, i dont think it make a difference
@@warriorson7979He should have said "purge the gas" rather than oxygen. But anyway, the gas takes up space that won't allow more liquid in. That's why he was only filling the bottle half way. You bleed off some of the gas to make more room for liquid propane.
I have been doing that for 50 years, Built my own with two fittings and a length of hydraulic hose. You can fill them up to capacity. You can buy brass screw on caps to fit those cylinders.
I just use the 20 pound tank with a regulator on all my propane appliances. Coleman sells a “tree” that has several hookups for your heaters, stoves, lanterns or whatever else so you can use them all at once.
True but then they are all anchored to one tank in one place and you may want to bring your lantern or heater to another area away from you cook stove... you may also not want your cook stove that close to your 20lb tank incase of a leak
There are mini heater buddies that can't be attached to alternative hoses in place of a one pounder. And in a small camper space, anything bigger is too much. Especially with pets involved.
FYI after the normal upside down filling, you can further filled the 1 canister up to its maximum 1 pound. Next to your canister nozzle there is a gas escape valve and slowly with a tweezer pulled up the small knob and you will hear a hissing sound as air will be released from there . Then continue filling, after repeating the process about 4 to 5 times your gas canister will filled up fully. Thank you.
I knew that you can put the torch nozzle on the small propane cans. I just like the heat i get with the MAP gas bottles. You can also use either map or propane as a cutting torch instead of acetylene. They are safer then acetylene and has a cleaner cut in when I used to do metal work. It only requires a different nozzle/ tip for the different gas to convert over.
Cool, You can bleed off some pressure by unscrewing the transfer valve off the supply tank, and leave transfer valve on the one pound, use it to bleed off the pressure. A scale is neccessary, without it you'll over fill. If you over fill, you can bleed off the excess by using the transfer valve.
Better than freezing, release the pressure buildup by unscrewing the tank and using a screwdriver or needle nose pliers, press the center pin (NOT the Schrader valve) re-attach and fill to 90%~ no freezing necessary!
I've heard having a temperature gradient is supposed to improve this process, where the receiving tank should be cooler than the source tank. Warmer means it'll expand & theoretically push more into the receiving tank. I'd like to see you revisit the issue & try this again.
I’ve always used the camping propane tanks on my blow torch. I like that it’s got a wider base and sits upright easier and don’t tip over like the skinny torch tanks
If you wrap the large tank in an electric blanket or a heating pad it will also raise the bottle pressure to help filling the smaller frozen tanks Same way we fill nitrous bottles Also you have to pull out on the Schrader valve to help purge the air
Haha I knew by the time I was old enough to light one of those torches that they work on MAP gas and propane tanks lol. I was in CO then tho, back in Pa now.
Been filling mine this was for years. Wear gloves, that propane is very cold Wear eye protection Don't get distracted Use a digital scale The colder the small bottle the faster the refill Don't use the cheaper Chinese adapter it goes bad real fast. Fork out the money for the better adapter. Squint like Clint Eastwood during the process and nobody will meass with you. Have fun and be safe. Thank you Mr. Cody for supplying the classroom.
Another tip to keep from overfilling these small tanks is to lay these tanks horizontal and clock the tanks at 10 or two so when the tank is full you get liquid propane out
I have one and I have been able to get mine over 90% full by putting the small canister in the freezer for awhile and meanwhile heating up the big tank. I have found it works best in the summer when I can leave the big tank out in the hot sun for a few hours while the little one cools off in the freezer. Maximizing the temperature difference is critical to getting the best transfer.
Hey brother, here's how ya do it. (I've been filling these with that for almost 3 years now) 1.Get some needle nose pliers (those Schrader valves pull to release) 2. Pull out on the Schrader valve the whole time you're filling, up until it starts spewing out liquid almost steadily. 3. Stop right then with the filling and the purging. 4. Check by sound and smell for leaking main and purge valves. If no leak, ya good! If it is leaking, I've always found that just messing with it, opening it and letting it slam shut works. My wife and I have lived off grid for these years, and cook exclusively by propane. Filled these hundreds of times now. This is what I have learned. Be blessed brother.
I use the small green tanks for my Weber Q table top grill (tailgating/camping) and yes, I use it with my torch attachment to light the firepit too....
Cody, I would think that it definently worked well especially for only $20. The issue about those 1lb tanks is availability. During the planned demic they have been very hard or scarce to come by. So even one filled to 60% is more useful than an empty one.
I like the little 5 pounder bulk cylinder. Best of both worlds. 4 "green" bottles worth, costs ~5 bucks to fill, less than the cost of one green bottle.
I was the complete opposite on that last bit Cody, I had no idea they made the slim cylindrical bottles of propane/map gas. I enjoy seeing people educating themselves! Thank you for sharing with others sir
Is that what he was talking about?? I can't believe he wouldn't know that. Around here nobody knows what MAPP gas is, they all use the Green Propane cans.
I have a giant plastic tub about 60" long and about 20" deep that I keep a bunch of camping gear in. I keep all my green Coleman tanks in this tub. Full and empty. Makes it more interesting when rummaging through the tub to find a usable one. Usually, this is because on the last camp day, it's "Let's pack up and get out of here" and everything gets mixed up. Not to mention if you're camping with other parties, and they have a bunch as well.
I pull the Schrader valve out and fill it to a pound no problem been doing for years be careful I've got over a pound quite a few times. Love you're videos very much thank you for taking the time to watch you do it great 👍 love you and your family is always in my prayers 🙏
It's legal to refill the bottles but not transport them on the road (dot regulation) after refilling them. The second valve on the bottle is a pressure release safety valve and can be used to release gas so more liquid propane can be filled. This valve releases gas by lifting on the small stem valve tip but beware it can be damaged and leak gas.
Pull up on the Schrader valve to purge the pressure while filling. You can fill a tank 100% in 30 seconds. Best to do outside obviously. My grandfather would leave the bottle connected overnight and they will fill up all the way too.
You shouldn’t mess with that Schrader valve. You are only opening it up to the possibility of leakage. Just purge it through the top with an Allen wrench. Look it up, seriously, messing with that valve has a potential to cause it to leak.
I have the exact same adapter. It comes with instructions that say it is only supposed to work with some odd proprietary type of tank. In actuality, there is a small gasket that you need to remove so that it will mate properly with the Coleman tanks. Once you do that, it fits perfectly.
Fill with the “filler” tank upside down so that fluid is directed into the refill. If the filler tank is upright, you are only pushing vapor into the refill.
@@AK_Ray I haven’t pulled one apart. Vapor won’t re-condense easily. That is why you get so little when the filler tank is upright even if it is full. One can only assume that turning it upside down causes liquid to be transferred.
I just started refilling these about four months ago and I've saved a good amount over the cost of the set up on the first round of refills. PLUS, 10 thumbs up for alerting me that you can use propane on the Benzene torch.
Been doing this now for a few years with that same “filler” turning the bbq tank upside down. Also grab that purge valve with a hemostat or needle nose pliers and pull it to purge air. When propane comes out……stop filling. It’s the bees knees!
There is no air in the tank, only propane gas. Even an ‘empty’ tank will only contain propane gas, as there is no way for air to be admitted - this is by design, as admitted air in the tank would result in an explosive mixture, rather than a fuel only atmosphere.
I would recommend not overfilling these disposable tanks. I've seen some pretty major swelling and possible explosion from an overfilled tank. 75 - 80 % fill seems like the safe bet. Maybe even less if storing them for any length of time. Anyways, that's just been what I've experienced with that.
I believe when they fill our propane tank for home they never completely fill it more like 90% to allow for the very thing your explaining. Liquid propane reacts like most things regarding temperature.
@@mikerayle6103 right, true. Also, Filling these little disposable bottles when they are cold, which is the best way to fill it, and then turning around and putting them in a warm environment can be a recipe for disaster. Those bottles have such a thin metal on them they can't handle over extreme pressure. Unfortunately, I have seen this with my own eyes. Thank goodness the bottle had failed where there was no flames or people around to get injured. But that being said, I believe refilling these could be a good way to save money if used with caution.
I just tried this out myself and if you set the refilled tanks upright on a table for a minute, purge the valve(by quickly pressing the center pin in the threaded connector with an allen key) a few times and then re-refill the tanks you can actually get over 16oz propane (empty tank weight about 13oz) fairly easily.
That's why I enjoy watching your channel- you're honest ( putting the fire lighter onto the propane tank "...I didn't know...."). Keep well, mind your leg - you've a family to consider ( not just the You Tube family).
Clamping forceps can be used to pull the pressure relief valve and bleed off the gaseous propane to get a complete 1 lb fill. And yes people do put them in the freezer to get a more complete fill.
I’ve seen this comment a few times. This is bad dangerous advice. Messing with that valve opens you up to the possibilities for a leak. Just purge it with an Allen wrench at the top of the cylinder. Look it up if you don’t believe me.
My world was rocked today too! I knew something that Wranglerstar didn't. I prefer this green bottles for soldering. Much less likely to tip over when setting it down.
You also need to understand the different gas mix ratios that are available IE butane/propane. Here in NZ our domestic portable BBQ bottles are 60% propane 40% butane. Camping cannisters here are butane. Commercial gas fuelled vehicles are 100% propane. The reason for these mixes differ, but butane will remain a liquid below 0C while propane will liquify at -42C. Knowing this will help you understand what the limitations are in filling these mini bottles. Simply opening the purge valve to reduce pressure and get more liquified gas in may not work well if the mini tank temperature is well above the gases boiling point. The problem with mixes is that during winter months it may seem like you have an empty tank (no pressure) but can still feel/hear liquid sloshing around inside the cannister. That's because it's not warm enough to gas off the fuel inside (probably butane). If you go camping in the woods during winter and can't get a camping cannister to run properly that's probably because it's butane. NOTE: MAPP gas (propene) is very similar to propane with a boiling point of around -47C. Its most often found in small gas brazing/welding torches. MAPP burns at a slightly higher temp to propane.
Cody, before you fill those small tanks you must completely purge them with you new tool. Then place them in the freezer for 15 minutes then fill them. It should get you very close to a full 1lb tank.
Those green propane tanks are actually the way we run those torches here in the South. I've never seen the other cans ran on them until I started watching RUclips 😂
If you use a 20lb on your buddy heater, or reill the little ones, be sure to use the buddy heater filter in-between the gas and your heater. It will save the heater from clogging.
Hey Cody, you will manage to fill quite a few of those one pound tanks to a pound if you fill from the large tanks. For some reason, the smaller tanks work less well. Have been doing so for years. I have constructed a special trolley with a bearing that will invert the tanks easily, thus saving your back. Would love to see same video using the larger tabks. It will work. Good luck. Thaks for sharing.
Good video, and good explanation, this the way to go if person has many of these small tanks. By the way what you said at the end( torch thing) , i knew it for many years.
When I refill my tanks I use a multi step process to get them to a full pound. The problem is adding liquid to a tank that is already full of gas. I fill the tank until it stops, that usually gets me to about half, then I use a long handle hex wrench and bleed off some of the gas, then put the bottle back on the refill. It can take 2 or 3 times to get it full, but I have more patience than money so I don't mind the time. I don't like messing with that Schrader on the side, first of all it's a pressure relief valve so it works in reverse, pull it to activate. Second, I've had to throw away a couple bottles because the side valve started leaking after I was messing with them.
The refill valve I bought came with instructions to put the smaller tank you want to refill in the freezer for like an hour and leave the donor tank in the sun to warm up. That decreases the pressure in the small tank and increases pressure in the big tank that pushes more liquid into the small tank. I actually over refilled my blue blowtorch tank and the over pressure value went off. I had cooled the empty tank for 10 mins on dry ice. None of this is helpful in a grid down scenario, but it works. Maybe cool the tank in a stream or root cellar in that situation.
Wrap a heating pad around the big tank and put the small tank in the freezer for about an hour before you start you’ll see a major difference. Also that thing you thought was a Schrader valve you’ll need to pull it straight out with a pair of needle nose pliers if you want to purge it as you said. However I’ve not had success pulling the valve but I have had success freezing the smaller container and heating larger container I’ve actually overfilled them before
I appreciate your attitude. You are man enough to admit when you're wrong. My father taught me at a very age . It's nice to be right. But it takes a big man with character self assured in him self to admit to being wrong . And you prove to me you are of good character. BTW I did the same experiment you did. I was ignorant and didn't know. But i found out for myself . In one must invert the tank in order to fill the small ones. And no I never gave it a thought that you can use a 1lb propane bottle on a hand torch. So you taught this old man something. Thank You.
My father in law showed me the torch one on our last camping trip. I was starting a fire with my torch, but sadly ran out of fuel…. I asked where he got the torch tip that fits on a 1lb can…. He’s like….. ummmmm, from your torch over there that ran out a min ago….. Learned that one from a great man!!!
Interesting after watching, did some quick research and found some instructions is to chill the bottle, or as I saw on a video the get some locking forceps and bleed off some grass pulling up on the relief valve.
I was laughing lovingly because you didn’t know the map gas torch works with the propane green can. Great trip on the refill. Thantfoe all your great content
500 gal propane tank. 50 potato plants to can along with the regular garden. Been buying meat and chicken on sale, flour in the fridge. Most importantly, hunting and fishing license along with the reloading gear. Depression era grandparents taught us well.
You can get converter hoses for things that use those little tanks so you can use your regular 20lb+ tank with them. Just double check your camp stove or whatever cause you might need to add a proper regulator
The other thing to consider is the pressure differential between the two tanks. You’ll never be able to fill completely full depending on your larger tank
You need to use a valve core tool for a tire to open the little valve you mentioned to evacuate the air pressure as you refill the tank the same way as you would when refilling the bigger tank with a standard screw driver. Same concept different tool.
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That's a knock-off of a much more expensive system. Part of that system is a tank that's designed to be refilled as opposed to the disposable tanks you are using. The original system had a way to fill it up to roughly the original capacity.
I watched a guy use a Allen key in the valve to purge it to get the air out so he could get it totally full.
You can purge the air from the green bottle with it upright like you would a tire by depressing the plunger in the middle of the main fitting. You can also pull the center of the Schrader valve with hemostats or needle nose pliers. Once the air is purged you can out the bottle back on and fill completely.
I’ve been praying about all this end time stuff, asking our Father what else we need. I think we’re good here.
Cody, use a pair of hemostats and pull out on that little Schrader valve while you are filling. you will get them full that way. That's how I refill them and I've never weighed the 1 LB bottle afterwards but I believe you can fit more than 1 LB in them.
You have to PULL on the Schrader Valve. To bleed off the air space on top.... I've refilled many of them to over a pound. Don't recommend overfilling as they may not be designed to hold over 1#. Love your content.
Pull the Schrader valve, or push the filler valve in the center with an Allen key to purge.
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Can't believe this isn't pinned, loved, and thumbed by everyone. Very good, sir. Thank you.
You can use your fancy filler tool to evacuate the air from the small tank
Warning: 20 lbs tank may sometimes contain welding spatter debris inside at the bottom - some lazy workers don't remove these debris before installing the tank valve. When you put the tank upside down, these debris may clog the tank valve or worst, a tiny metal spec may travel and block the valve of the 1lb bottle - the bottle will spray all propane when it's disconnected from 20 lbs tank. Tilt the 20 lbs tank to 45 degrees and listen inside for the spatter sliding at the bottom of the tank - it sounds like sand sliding inside. If you hear this, I suggest not using that particular tank to refill 1 lb bottles.
I have some 1# cans i had to throw away for that reason. The valve wouldn't seal and it leaked.
At very least, incline the 20lbs tank *very slowly* until upside down. If the 1lb can keeps hissing after being refilled and disconnected, *be outdoor* and use something like half a piece of wooden q-tip and quickly press down and release on the top refill valve - it will vent some gas and hopefully this will unclog the debris on the valve - but it can also block the valve even worst - repeat if needed
A 20lb. Tank weighs 44lbs when full....
Thank you for the warning ⚠️
LP is meant to be used in its gaseous state. LP weighs @ 4 lbs. per gal. and boils (turns to a gas at @ -44 deg F. LP usage cylinders like these and the bigger ones you may have for your grill, RV, home, etc. are designed to only release the gas under their own pressure. Modifying these cylinders by inverting them or adding a tube to the valve which extends to the lower portion of the tank will allow you to access the LP (I installed a liquid tube and valve in my 300 gal home tank for refilling my cylinders). I used to haul LP, inspect cylinders and refill cylinders as a job which required a license to do so, so I have a little knowledge and background with this topic.
Cheaper, simpler transfer tools can be built and bought. A scale is handy but these tanks will typically not overfill due to the tanks equalizing pressure. That is if they are starting out at the same temperature. If you cool the receiving tank it will have a lower internal pressure allowing for greater liquid volume but beware of overfilling. LP tanks are only filled to 80% capacity to provide a margin of pressure safety as the liquid expands and contracts with changing liquid temperatures.
Be careful. These 1 lb tanks are made of light material and could fail with repeated use and especially if overfilled. These little tanks are not intended for reuse and have no certifiable inspection like your larger cylinders and tanks require. Refilling these single cylinders is actually illegal because of this. Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, just giving facts. The little Schrader valve on the top of the cylinder is an over pressure release device. You can vent pressure created when filling using this device but that is not its design. It is only designed to release outward so pressing in on it with a small tool can damage the valve rendering the tank useless. Now you know.
Be safe and smart Professional Homeowners!
I agree with everything here except the end - I'm not certain but I believe it is legal to fill for personal use, though it is probably illegal to transport or sell.
i think its a grey zone that just needs some common sense and a little knowledge like what is shared here its certainly lest wastefull and mayber cost saving when done in an efficeint manar lets say lol
My dad refilled these many decades ago when he was in his camper boondocking and hours from town and back and then it became a habit for him because of the savings. I thought it not worth the trouble for so little savings but a few year ago I started refilling mine , I go through lots of 1 lb bottles in a year even though I have everything I can hooked to large tanks . Right now in my neck of the woods , 1lb propane bottles will cost from 7 to 9 dollars a bottle , I have all my large tanks filled 20 lb to 100 lb one single 20 lb tank only cost 16 bucks to have filled .......do the math, that 80 cents a bottle. After several years with common sense and saftey applied......I can fill my one pounders full and if you have abilities and common sense you can to. Swapping tanks cost more , own your 20 lb tanks and have them filled where they have propane filling station. Mark your one pounders with a marker each refill , I was trashing them alround 10 to 15 refills after stopping at camp grounds in my area and collecting bottles thats been trashed after just one use and look brand new, now I have settled on 20 unless something about the bottle dosent look right. You don't need to be a electrician to replace a light fixture , you don't have to be a auto mechanic to change your breaks and you don't even have to be a roofing contractor to roof your house but it will require abilities and common sense......if you are not going to use or be in need of more than a half dozen 1lb bottles of propane in a year, go find another project for your got to list , it might be a penny wise and a lb foolish !
My LP supplier installed a filler on one of my propane tanks so I could fill my portable tanks. I’ve thought about getting one of these things to fill one pounders. The information regarding the pressure relief valve is very useful to me. Thanks
They manufacture refillable ventable pound cylinders now
Your humility when you learn something new is respectful. I truly realize you have the option to not share those shortcomings with us.
Much respect sir.
You CAN use that schrader valve and evacuate the extra air in the tank WHILE your filling it. I’ve refilled about 25 of them last winter with my amazon purchase refill kit for 1 lb tanks. BUT be sure to ONLY fill them to 80 % to allow for expansion. I weighed mine before and after as well and it WORKED. I now have ALL of my 1lb tanks filled in my shop, ready to go hunting with my buddy heater once again!
Good advice on the room for expansion.
So fill them to 0.8lb; or is the 1lb 80% of the volume?
@@uselessengineer yep, that’s what I’d do.
I learned the same exact. I use dynaglow only cause it was cheaper 60$ for the unit
I filled several tanks and they went empty after awhile. Now if I fill any, they go onto what ever I'm using right away.
Like many others have said, throw those canisters in the deep freezer and then fill them up after they've sat in there for a day or two. I've filled mine up over a pound in about a minute easily with that method. Just wish my refiller had that handy nozzle instead of having to open and close the main valve on the bigger tank.
Just like a nitrous oxide bottle. The colder the bottle the more it will take.
@@kenleppek Same as true of women with low body temperatures.
This is because the colder propane is the lower the pressure is. R-134a for your cars AC is the same like how you could heat up the bottle of 134a with warm water to get all of the refrigerant out of can and into the system
@@james6794 never new about heating a can of r134a. It make sense though considering that your system pressure fluctuates with ambient temperature. On a side note propane makes an excellent refrigerant.
@@james6794 yup we used to use that trick while filling our ice makers with hundreds of pounds of freon with 125 lb. cylinders to get all we could out of them after R-22 started getting expensive.
The key is to make sure you don’t overfill. A cylinder that is completely liquid filled can leak or even split due to thermal expansion when temperature rises. Using the scale is smart. Also, of course, inspect to be sure cylinder isn’t damaged or corroded.
Only need to fill to 90٪ capacity
@@jfhdylvr agreed. Guess you could shake it when filled to make sure there’s about as much vapor space as a new one if you can’t weigh it.
As a gas fitter in Australia we work to the 80 percent safe fill level (SFL) to allow for thermal expansion. Also LPG stands for Liquid Petroleum Gas in order for a liquid to turn to a gas it must first boil hence why the cylinder gets cold when you draw from it it’s boiling and turning from liquid to a gas. If you invert the charge gas bottle it helps with this as liquid will be up top gas down bottom of bottle for draw off.
You can not over fill it. It’s impossible. I was all worried about that but upon researching it, don’t worry. It’s impossible to over fill it.
Those wide bottles are nice for the torch because they are more stable when you put them down. For some things it's worth the lower BTU output for the convenience.
A little cheaper to aren’t they
The btu output is different between the small blue propane and the 1lb green propane? How much different?
@@johnsmith-jk9ol No, different between yellow map gas and propane.
I have the Flame King refillable cylinders. They have both 14 and 16 oz versions. They have a purge set screw to allow the tank to fill all the way. If you use them enough you can recoup the cost.
God bless.
You can freeze the tanks and get more into the tank per fill.
Also bleed some gas (air propane) from the tank and keep filling. You can get them 100% full
Only need to fill to 90% due to potential thermal expansion
@@jfhdylvr unless u can maintain the cold temperatures I wouldn't fill it like u say 85 90% those fires r nasty when the tank pops.
Yeah....kaboom!
Sounds dangerous.
100% filled will put liquid propane into your appliances that require vapor propane. Liquid is 270x more dense than vapor. This is incredibly unsafe.
There’s a set up from a company called flame king. They make refillable bottles that are better at taking a full refill. But most of us have tons of these coleman ones rolling around. Also the reason you can’t refill from an upright position is because propane in the tank is in liquid form so I will settled to the bottom of the tank. Thanks and God bless.
Manchester makes the good ones. Expensive but high quality.
@@poellot good to know. I’ll look them up. Thanks.
I'm not sure Flame King still makes the refillable bottles nor the refill kit they used to sell.
@@kingposeidon9362 that would be a shame. It’s a good set up. They were available on Amazon and at sportsman’s warehouse in the past.
@@kingposeidon9362 They still make them as does another company. Much safer.
The freezer method works, I've also filled past a pound by accident, works best when your 20lb tank is over half full and warm, and the 1lb tanks sit in the freezer, but they don't need to sit in the freezer for much more than 10 or 15 minutes. Every spring when I get all my 20lb grill tanks filled I fill my 1lb tanks and use about 25% of my 20lb tanks, leaving me with a bunch of 3/4 full 20lb tanks..... Very worth it! I have the same device. I also fill 1lb tanks for friends and family, it becomes very easy once you get the system down. Put your 20lb tanks in the sun and your 1lb tanks in the freezer and it'll work like a dream upside down!
Good saying, thanks.
Place the "Empty" 1 LB tank in the freezer for a period of time. I left them for an hour or more. Then do as you did and you should get 1 LB of propane. I've been doing it for years, after filling check with leak fluid or soapy water for leaks . If they leaked I would screw them onto something with a shut off and chuck that tank after it was empty. I be able to refill tanks 3 - 5 times before they started to "leak" so as you say "Act accordingly"
Big tank needs to be warmer than the small tank.
Schrader valve pulls out.
Can’t really go wrong around a pound. If it expands too much, the valve releases the gas. Spray the valves down with soapy water and if the schrader valve bubbles, put it in the sunlight outside and test for leaks again in a little while. If the main valve leaks, put an implement on it.
Hey my brother...love your channel...i already started stocking and prepping up since 2019....Here in California...Weve already converted our above ground pool as a Fresh water source....i made homemade water filter out of 2 ltr soda bottles with activated charcoal...we have tons of Purifying tablets...canned goods...tons of beans, rice, flour, powdered milk for 2 years...Started growing our own fruits and vegetables since 2019....
We have 8 large propane tanks...( overfilled )...and 10 of those 1lb tanks ( overfilled also )...We stocked up alot also on Antibiotics....medicine, vitamins, epipens, albuterol even Trauma kits....
I was with the U.S Forest service with Crew 77 Type 2 Roadrunners from 2008 - 2012...
God bless you and your family brother...Always in my prayers...
I have been camping for 25 days short of a year. Most our stoves and heaters take the 1lb bottles. We run adapters for 20lb tanks, but we keep a few 1lbers for back up and touches. To refill more just press the center of the main opening down and let the gassiated propane escape to make room for more liquid. You'll know you got it when liquid is coming out. Just top it off after that.
You need to purge the oxygen that has gotten into the bottle built at the top when you fill the tanks. Use a Allen wrench and push 2 or 3 times the spring valve in the neck then fill further. The valve on the shoulder is a pressure release so you need to pull it, but I don't mess with those since pliers muck up the valve stem and prefer not to mess with the fail safe.
How on earth can oxygen get into a pressurised tank...??😑🙄😒
@@warriorson7979 theres a little bit of air in this device when you connect it to you bir propane tank. not much tho, i dont think it make a difference
Only way to purge a propane tank is with vapor propane since vapor propane is heavier than air.
@@warriorson7979He should have said "purge the gas" rather than oxygen. But anyway, the gas takes up space that won't allow more liquid in. That's why he was only filling the bottle half way. You bleed off some of the gas to make more room for liquid propane.
I have been doing that for 50 years, Built my own with two fittings and a length of hydraulic hose. You can fill them up to capacity. You can buy brass screw on caps to fit those cylinders.
I just use the 20 pound tank with a regulator on all my propane appliances. Coleman sells a “tree” that has several hookups for your heaters, stoves, lanterns or whatever else so you can use them all at once.
True but then they are all anchored to one tank in one place and you may want to bring your lantern or heater to another area away from you cook stove... you may also not want your cook stove that close to your 20lb tank incase of a leak
that tree is too short
There are mini heater buddies that can't be attached to alternative hoses in place of a one pounder. And in a small camper space, anything bigger is too much. Especially with pets involved.
FYI after the normal upside down filling, you can further filled the 1 canister up to its maximum 1 pound. Next to your canister nozzle there is a gas escape valve and slowly with a tweezer pulled up the small knob and you will hear a hissing sound as air will be released from there . Then continue filling, after repeating the process about 4 to 5 times your gas canister will filled up fully. Thank you.
I knew that you can put the torch nozzle on the small propane cans. I just like the heat i get with the MAP gas bottles. You can also use either map or propane as a cutting torch instead of acetylene. They are safer then acetylene and has a cleaner cut in when I used to do metal work. It only requires a different nozzle/ tip for the different gas to convert over.
Cool,
You can bleed off some pressure by unscrewing the transfer valve off the supply tank, and leave transfer valve on the one pound, use it to bleed off the pressure. A scale is neccessary, without it you'll over fill.
If you over fill, you can bleed off the excess by using the transfer valve.
Better than freezing, release the pressure buildup by unscrewing the tank and using a screwdriver or needle nose pliers, press the center pin (NOT the Schrader valve) re-attach and fill to 90%~ no freezing necessary!
I've heard having a temperature gradient is supposed to improve this process, where the receiving tank should be cooler than the source tank. Warmer means it'll expand & theoretically push more into the receiving tank. I'd like to see you revisit the issue & try this again.
I’ve always used the camping propane tanks on my blow torch. I like that it’s got a wider base and sits upright easier and don’t tip over like the skinny torch tanks
If you wrap the large tank in an electric blanket or a heating pad it will also raise the bottle pressure to help filling the smaller frozen tanks
Same way we fill nitrous bottles
Also you have to pull out on the Schrader valve to help purge the air
Surprisingly as an East Coast guy, I DID know that those little bottles work as a torch; Keep up the great vids and glad to see the leg is mending.
Haha I knew by the time I was old enough to light one of those torches that they work on MAP gas and propane tanks lol. I was in CO then tho, back in Pa now.
My dad taught this to me last winter! Thanks for the refresher- I took notes but it’s nice to see it demonstrated again
Love your content. Keep up the good work. Thank you for what you do
Been filling mine this was for years.
Wear gloves, that propane is very cold
Wear eye protection
Don't get distracted
Use a digital scale
The colder the small bottle the faster the refill
Don't use the cheaper Chinese adapter it goes bad real fast. Fork out the money for the better adapter.
Squint like Clint Eastwood during the process and nobody will meass with you.
Have fun and be safe.
Thank you Mr. Cody for supplying the classroom.
Another tip to keep from overfilling these small tanks is to lay these tanks horizontal and clock the tanks at 10 or two so when the tank is full you get liquid propane out
nice idea!
Only way to insure you don't overfill a tank is by using a scale. Timing does nothing.
I have one and I have been able to get mine over 90% full by putting the small canister in the freezer for awhile and meanwhile heating up the big tank. I have found it works best in the summer when I can leave the big tank out in the hot sun for a few hours while the little one cools off in the freezer. Maximizing the temperature difference is critical to getting the best transfer.
Most definitely the temp difference is crucial
Yeah the temp thing is the key to it all. Also purging the tank first.
Hey brother, here's how ya do it. (I've been filling these with that for almost 3 years now)
1.Get some needle nose pliers (those Schrader valves pull to release)
2. Pull out on the Schrader valve the whole time you're filling, up until it starts spewing out liquid almost steadily.
3. Stop right then with the filling and the purging.
4. Check by sound and smell for leaking main and purge valves. If no leak, ya good!
If it is leaking, I've always found that just messing with it, opening it and letting it slam shut works.
My wife and I have lived off grid for these years, and cook exclusively by propane. Filled these hundreds of times now. This is what I have learned. Be blessed brother.
I use the small green tanks for my Weber Q table top grill (tailgating/camping) and yes, I use it with my torch attachment to light the firepit too....
Use some stats to “pull” the schrader valve plunger out to allow it to vent till it’s full
Cody, I would think that it definently worked well especially for only $20. The issue about those 1lb tanks is availability. During the planned demic they have been very hard or scarce to come by. So even one filled to 60% is more useful than an empty one.
Thanks for the tip. I just added this item to my Amazon wish list since Christmas is coming up
I like the little 5 pounder bulk cylinder. Best of both worlds. 4 "green" bottles worth, costs ~5 bucks to fill, less than the cost of one green bottle.
I was the complete opposite on that last bit Cody, I had no idea they made the slim cylindrical bottles of propane/map gas. I enjoy seeing people educating themselves! Thank you for sharing with others sir
My map head must be different. If I connect a green bottle it will not stop leaking. It is fine with the narrow blue or yellow bottles.
I literally purchased the same refill valve and love it. Use an old HVAC scale to weigh my cylinders
This is why I still love RUclips.
I cannot believe a professional home owner such as Cody didn’t know you could use Coleman style cylinders with a torch head lol.
I busted out Laughing at that too. I learned that back in the 70's....
Is that what he was talking about?? I can't believe he wouldn't know that. Around here nobody knows what MAPP gas is, they all use the Green Propane cans.
I have a giant plastic tub about 60" long and about 20" deep that I keep a bunch of camping gear in. I keep all my green Coleman tanks in this tub. Full and empty. Makes it more interesting when rummaging through the tub to find a usable one. Usually, this is because on the last camp day, it's "Let's pack up and get out of here" and everything gets mixed up. Not to mention if you're camping with other parties, and they have a bunch as well.
I pull the Schrader valve out and fill it to a pound no problem been doing for years be careful I've got over a pound quite a few times. Love you're videos very much thank you for taking the time to watch you do it great 👍 love you and your family is always in my prayers 🙏
It's legal to refill the bottles but not transport them on the road (dot regulation) after refilling them. The second valve on the bottle is a pressure release safety valve and can be used to release gas so more liquid propane can be filled. This valve releases gas by lifting on the small stem valve tip but beware it can be damaged and leak gas.
How would the DOT know unless you told them?
Pull up on the Schrader valve to purge the pressure while filling. You can fill a tank 100% in 30 seconds. Best to do outside obviously. My grandfather would leave the bottle connected overnight and they will fill up all the way too.
This!
100% truth
Yes that is the part he was missing.
You shouldn’t mess with that Schrader valve. You are only opening it up to the possibility of leakage. Just purge it through the top with an Allen wrench. Look it up, seriously, messing with that valve has a potential to cause it to leak.
@@SVMSICE Well I wouldn't mess with it if I where you.
I have the exact same adapter. It comes with instructions that say it is only supposed to work with some odd proprietary type of tank. In actuality, there is a small gasket that you need to remove so that it will mate properly with the Coleman tanks. Once you do that, it fits perfectly.
I like to use those green camping style ones on my torch because they don't knock over as easy
Fill with the “filler” tank upside down so that fluid is directed into the refill. If the filler tank is upright, you are only pushing vapor into the refill.
Don't they have a siphon tube that feeds off the bottom of the tank
@@AK_Ray
I haven’t pulled one apart. Vapor won’t re-condense easily. That is why you get so little when the filler tank is upright even if it is full. One can only assume that turning it upside down causes liquid to be transferred.
@@AK_Ray no, standard tanks don’t have dip tubes.
@@Pugjamin learn something new every day, thank you!
@@AK_Ray (unless it’s a forklift truck tank)
I just started refilling these about four months ago and I've saved a good amount over the cost of the set up on the first round of refills.
PLUS, 10 thumbs up for alerting me that you can use propane on the Benzene torch.
I've been using the short bottles for years on my torch valve... less tippy when you set it down.
I did know about torch on the green bottles cuz I’ve done it. Good to learn something new every day.
Been doing this now for a few years with that same “filler” turning the bbq tank upside down. Also grab that purge valve with a hemostat or needle nose pliers and pull it to purge air. When propane comes out……stop filling. It’s the bees knees!
I was wondering about that. Thanks for the tip
There is no air in the tank, only propane gas. Even an ‘empty’ tank will only contain propane gas, as there is no way for air to be admitted - this is by design, as admitted air in the tank would result in an explosive mixture, rather than a fuel only atmosphere.
I would recommend not overfilling these disposable tanks. I've seen some pretty major swelling and possible explosion from an overfilled tank. 75 - 80 % fill seems like the safe bet. Maybe even less if storing them for any length of time. Anyways, that's just been what I've experienced with that.
I believe when they fill our propane tank for home they never completely fill it more like 90% to allow for the very thing your explaining. Liquid propane reacts like most things regarding temperature.
@@mikerayle6103 right, true. Also, Filling these little disposable bottles when they are cold, which is the best way to fill it, and then turning around and putting them in a warm environment can be a recipe for disaster. Those bottles have such a thin metal on them they can't handle over extreme pressure. Unfortunately, I have seen this with my own eyes. Thank goodness the bottle had failed where there was no flames or people around to get injured. But that being said, I believe refilling these could be a good way to save money if used with caution.
These bottles have pressure reliefs on them for that very reason.....
@@D2O2 you would think so, but sometimes that doesn't work apparently......
I just tried this out myself and if you set the refilled tanks upright on a table for a minute, purge the valve(by quickly pressing the center pin in the threaded connector with an allen key) a few times and then re-refill the tanks you can actually get over 16oz propane (empty tank weight about 13oz) fairly easily.
That's why I enjoy watching your channel- you're honest ( putting the fire lighter onto the propane tank "...I didn't know...."). Keep well, mind your leg - you've a family to consider ( not just the You Tube family).
Clamping forceps can be used to pull the pressure relief valve and bleed off the gaseous propane to get a complete 1 lb fill. And yes people do put them in the freezer to get a more complete fill.
I’ve seen this comment a few times. This is bad dangerous advice. Messing with that valve opens you up to the possibilities for a leak. Just purge it with an Allen wrench at the top of the cylinder. Look it up if you don’t believe me.
My world was rocked today too! I knew something that Wranglerstar didn't. I prefer this green bottles for soldering. Much less likely to tip over when setting it down.
You also need to understand the different gas mix ratios that are available IE butane/propane. Here in NZ our domestic portable BBQ bottles are 60% propane 40% butane. Camping cannisters here are butane. Commercial gas fuelled vehicles are 100% propane. The reason for these mixes differ, but butane will remain a liquid below 0C while propane will liquify at -42C. Knowing this will help you understand what the limitations are in filling these mini bottles. Simply opening the purge valve to reduce pressure and get more liquified gas in may not work well if the mini tank temperature is well above the gases boiling point. The problem with mixes is that during winter months it may seem like you have an empty tank (no pressure) but can still feel/hear liquid sloshing around inside the cannister. That's because it's not warm enough to gas off the fuel inside (probably butane). If you go camping in the woods during winter and can't get a camping cannister to run properly that's probably because it's butane. NOTE: MAPP gas (propene) is very similar to propane with a boiling point of around -47C. Its most often found in small gas brazing/welding torches. MAPP burns at a slightly higher temp to propane.
Cody, before you fill those small tanks you must completely purge them with you new tool. Then place them in the freezer for 15 minutes then fill them. It should get you very close to a full 1lb tank.
Those green propane tanks are actually the way we run those torches here in the South. I've never seen the other cans ran on them until I started watching RUclips 😂
I did not know this either! Hooking up the Benzomatic trigger to a camping cylinder! Brilliant!!
I learnt from this man in just a few videos more than any school I attended for years
If you use a 20lb on your buddy heater, or reill the little ones, be sure to use the buddy heater filter in-between the gas and your heater. It will save the heater from clogging.
Thank you Cody. That's why I love this channel Right there Folks. I learn something new everyday time I watch this channel.
Hey Cody, you will manage to fill quite a few of those one pound tanks to a pound if you fill from the large tanks. For some reason, the smaller tanks work less well. Have been doing so for years.
I have constructed a special trolley with a bearing that will invert the tanks easily, thus saving your back.
Would love to see same video using the larger tabks. It will work.
Good luck. Thaks for sharing.
Thanks Cody! I didn’t now that either about the torch, but I know now.
Thanks for this video. I’ve been thinking about getting one of those.
Thank you and God bless you too.
yep
You can also refill those torch size bottles whatever they hold with the same attachment that you've got
I seriously love your channel. All blessings from you and your family.
We've been being told of the coming food crisis for the past 3+ years.... but I'm still gonna watch your video :)
Good video, and good explanation, this the way to go if person has many of these small tanks. By the way what you said at the end( torch thing) , i knew it for many years.
When I refill my tanks I use a multi step process to get them to a full pound.
The problem is adding liquid to a tank that is already full of gas.
I fill the tank until it stops, that usually gets me to about half, then I use a long handle hex wrench and bleed off some of the gas, then put the bottle back on the refill.
It can take 2 or 3 times to get it full, but I have more patience than money so I don't mind the time.
I don't like messing with that Schrader on the side, first of all it's a pressure relief valve so it works in reverse, pull it to activate. Second, I've had to throw away a couple bottles because the side valve started leaking after I was messing with them.
The refill valve I bought came with instructions to put the smaller tank you want to refill in the freezer for like an hour and leave the donor tank in the sun to warm up. That decreases the pressure in the small tank and increases pressure in the big tank that pushes more liquid into the small tank.
I actually over refilled my blue blowtorch tank and the over pressure value went off. I had cooled the empty tank for 10 mins on dry ice.
None of this is helpful in a grid down scenario, but it works. Maybe cool the tank in a stream or root cellar in that situation.
For me buying the hose adapter so I can hook bigger tanks to any of my green tank appliances was the best solution
One of the reasons I like paraffin (Kerosene in places like America) pressure stoves is that you can always fill up the stove before you go camping.
I did not know those little torches fit on the 1 lb green tracks. Amazing
Wrap a heating pad around the big tank and put the small tank in the freezer for about an hour before you start you’ll see a major difference. Also that thing you thought was a Schrader valve you’ll need to pull it straight out with a pair of needle nose pliers if you want to purge it as you said. However I’ve not had success pulling the valve but I have had success freezing the smaller container and heating larger container I’ve actually overfilled them before
Awesome, thank you!
O2 and SCBA refilling uses a cascade system- a low pressure tank for initial fill, and a second, high pressure tank to top off.
Thanks for the video Cody I didn’t know you could refill them! Also seems like it’s possible to fill the propane for my plumbing torch!
Most plumbing torches use Mapp gas now, not propane -- due to the use of lead free solder and different melting temps of the solder.
@@BJTBR1 Yeah not all of them the mapp gas ones are yellow but for smaller diameter pipe we still use propane.
Love these short practical videos.
I get mine completely full by pulling on the schrader valve and not even freezing the tank. Works like a dream. Small needle nose works the best.
I appreciate your attitude. You are man enough to admit when you're wrong. My father taught me at a very age . It's nice to be right. But it takes a big man with character self assured in him self to admit to being wrong . And you prove to me you are of good character. BTW I did the same experiment you did. I was ignorant and didn't know. But i found out for myself . In one must invert the tank in order to fill the small ones. And no I never gave it a thought that you can use a 1lb propane bottle on a hand torch. So you taught this old man something. Thank You.
My father in law showed me the torch one on our last camping trip. I was starting a fire with my torch, but sadly ran out of fuel…. I asked where he got the torch tip that fits on a 1lb can…. He’s like….. ummmmm, from your torch over there that ran out a min ago…..
Learned that one from a great man!!!
Interesting after watching, did some quick research and found some instructions is to chill the bottle, or as I saw on a video the get some locking forceps and bleed off some grass pulling up on the relief valve.
I found it helps to chill the empty propane bottle just prior to filling! You’ll get as much as a full pound into your bottle.
I was laughing lovingly because you didn’t know the map gas torch works with the propane green can.
Great trip on the refill. Thantfoe all your great content
500 gal propane tank. 50 potato plants to can along with the regular garden. Been buying meat and chicken on sale, flour in the fridge. Most importantly, hunting and fishing license along with the reloading gear. Depression era grandparents taught us well.
Hey Cody, you need to add nut drivers to your tool box, for hose clamps,...the only way to stay on the clamp. 1/4, 5/16, 3/8, 7/16.
You can get converter hoses for things that use those little tanks so you can use your regular 20lb+ tank with them. Just double check your camp stove or whatever cause you might need to add a proper regulator
Hey brother.
Thanks for this video.
I think a lot of people are curious about this one.
We've used it for a bit now, and it saves a lot!
If you freeze the 1 pound bottle and have the bigger one at warm room temperature you will get much closer to the full pound =) Great vid as always
You are a true professional homeowner.
The other thing to consider is the pressure differential between the two tanks. You’ll never be able to fill completely full depending on your larger tank
Thank you for the review
You need to use a valve core tool for a tire to open the little valve you mentioned to evacuate the air pressure as you refill the tank the same way as you would when refilling the bigger tank with a standard screw driver. Same concept different tool.