The best race is tauren because the biggest selling point for druids is flag carrying and stomp into roots is incredible as a get off me tool. Night elves can get into the flag room slightly easier with increased stealth bonus and not having to deal with perception but in terms of actually getting it home Tauren wins every day because hunters and felhounds are even better at stealth spotting. For PvE Night Elves are better because blessing of kings is way better because cats and bears don't benefit from totems.
@@isaei4799 no I got it but I wanted to give a somewhat real answer because there are some people particular ly druid players who play class over faction
@@Dualities it absolutely is worth it. +5 weapon skill grants 3% hit chance and reduces glancing blow penalty. It far outweighs swords until you have access to the Kel'thuzad weapons.
Troll priest's hex of weakness also reduces healing by 20%. And undead touch of weakness is when you get hit by a melee attack, you don't have to perform a melee yourself... Also, blood fury on orc doesn't scale with gear, as it only applies to BASE melee attack power. You also forgot to mention bow spec racial for troll hunter.
You can also use Rank 1 Hex in PvP and still get the mini Mortal Strike for basically zero mana, so it's great in BGs. Also, Shadow Orbs can proc Blackout and scales _very_ well with Spell Damage. I'm a big fan of Troll Priest ;)
Bruh when he went over priests I got triggered. How you not gonna mention shadow guard is cheap does like 900 dmg and prices stuns? Troll shadow is debatably better then undead.
@@johnwhick7419 True. Touch of Weakness is great against Rogues but Devouring Plague is such a trash ability. Gets dispelled by the high amount of paladins, priests, Mage Ice Block and any dwarfs + Anti Disease Potion or Jungle medicine. Costs too much mana for a fuckin dot that doesnt even does great damage, but it heals you great. BUT u need to waste Inner Focus for that. The only viable thing about Undeads is Wotf. It is great against Locks or Priests. (Not Warriors, since their CD is the same as the insignia). But u have Silence and Insignia against 2 Fears. Thats enough to kill a lock or a priest. People who gets destroyed by DP are bad in pvp. Every good pvper has potions or any kind of trinkets. So u dont even need priest racials to kill casual pvpers. Hex of Weakness is insane for 35 Mana! 20% healing reduction on potions, bandages and spells!!! Everyone heals in duels or open world encounter. And healing reduction is basically damage, keep that in mind. Shadowguard is good. 2 More extra chance for blackout and it does a lot of damage. Much more than DP! It also protects your buffs, since it gets dispelled first. Shadowguard, SW:P, Mind flay + Vampiric Embrace is so much healing, u dont need the healing of DP. U still have inner focus for a free mind blast with 25%+ crit chance + berserking. Its a great finisher! Also mind flay is for free if needed. Or Inner focus + Flash Heal + Berserking. Im not going to waste so much versatility for a fuckin fear break. Since the alliance doesnt even have that much locks because of the fear of wotf. So if u want to clap casual pvpers then u go undead.
Base attack power can be modified by gear through primary stats like strength and agility depending on the class. Only attack power coming from gear as such didn’t apply to that racial
You barely talk about why trolls are the best race for every single class they play! They regen 5HP PER SECOND! AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!
I'm pretty sure even at the time people kinda figured out they were good. Unfortunately as far as the lore and story goes, Trolls always got the short end of the stick. For a role playing game that's a bad thing, especially when the mechanical differences between races get more and more insignificant over each expansion.
I played a troll priest main longer than any other character starting in vanilla and to this day never understand why so many people hate trolls. I know the maker of this video does so has to hurt a little
@@BottledDelusion I would say it's the hunch/squat position for the male troll. Orcs and undead suffer from it, but nowhere near as bad as trolls. If they came out looking like the Zandalari ones, I think they would have been more popular. The female trolls aren't really hot or cute, so they get passed by as well.
@@BottledDelusion Taz dingo! Trolls are so great! I like the tribal vibe. Also the abilites for shadow priests are sooo strong. I rarely encounter situations where i need a fear break. Troll fits the shadow priest so well! Witch Doctor manxy!
Orc warriors in PvP could spec 5/5 Iron will, which gave 15% chance to resist stuns, with this bringing up the chance to resist stuns for Orc warriors up to 40%. It was common lnowledge that Alliance rogues would just not attack Orc warriors at all if they could help it.
You are really overlooking how good hex of weakness and shadow guard are for shadow priests in PVP. Shadow guard scales with shadow modifiers and can provide blackout stuns and when triggered builds your stacks of shadow weaving. Hex of weakness rank 1 is a 35 mana 20% ranged mortal strike. Not disputing that will of the forsaken is amazing, but troll is way better than people think.
if it makes you guys feel any better, the #1 dps in the world on kel thuzad in phase 6 was a dwarf warrior. race/class doesn't matter nearly as much as a lot of these videos say they do
@@JeroenLevolger It's more about people who min/max are usually compensating for something aka they are dogshit in the game. If they weren't, they wouldn't need any advantages.
If it makes you feel any better, parsing in SoM is a meme. And going edgies as a DPS warrior will be a higher DPS upgrade than waiting in line for a viskag or brutality blade with 30 other human males
Another plus to being a Troll Hunter is having the Bow Specialization passive giving +5 bow skill. Combined with the amount of great bows in the game and its a big plus imo.
Ranked attacks also cannot glance, so really, the only thing weapon skill provides for them at end game is an extra +3% hit chance, which I remember some hunters saying it was helpful for them.
Agree! Also works with blackout talent, so if a melee hit you they can get stunded, witch wasn't mentioned here.. Nor was darkrune+berserker, for better utilize the spell
900 dmg per tick : You re obviously lying. The SP scaling on each tic is 26,8%. Could you explain the formula which brings a tic to 900 with a base damage of 116 ? Even with Shadowform, Zandalar trinket, each bis SP items...it's still a lie.
@@sebastianberats1064 if you check the logs of my spriest “Qaren” you can see it. I ran some great math. I hold rank 1 ZG and if you watch in my video of it theres a part where i display having 1328 SP. if you combine that with DMF, shadow vuln from spriest, the shadow vuln from shadow bolt, curse from warlock, nightfall, and PI it is possible. In my video i hit a 946 SWP tick without DMF.
True! Touch of Weakness is great against Rogues but Devouring Plague is such a trash ability. Gets dispelled by the high amount of paladins, priests, Mage Ice Block and any dwarfs + Anti Disease Potion or Jungle medicine. Costs too much mana for a fuckin dot that doesnt even does great damage, but it heals you great. BUT u need to waste Inner Focus for that. The only viable thing about Undeads is Wotf. It is great against Locks or Priests. (Not Warriors, since their CD is the same as the insignia). But u have Silence and Insignia against 2 Fears. Thats enough to kill a lock or a priest. People who gets destroyed by DP are bad in pvp. Every good pvper has potions or any kind of trinkets. So u dont even need priest racials to kill casual pvpers. Hex of Weakness is insane for 35 Mana! 20% healing reduction on potions, bandages and spells!!! Everyone heals in duels or open world encounter. And healing reduction is basically damage, keep that in mind. Shadowguard is good. 2 More extra chance for blackout and it does a lot of damage. Much more than DP! It also protects your buffs, since it gets dispelled first. Shadowguard, SW:P, Mind flay + Vampiric Embrace is so much healing, u dont need the healing of DP. U still have inner focus for a free mind blast with 25%+ crit chance + berserking. Its a great finisher! Also mind flay is for free if needed. Or Inner focus + Flash Heal + Berserking. Im not going to waste so much versatility for a fuckin fear break. Since the alliance doesnt even have that much locks because of the fear of wotf. So if u want to clap casual pvpers then u go undead.
Yeah weird he didnt mention tauren ele shaman war stomp into EM CL combo. You can delete people with it in pvp. Considering shaman dont have any hard cc its very very powerful
RE: Warrior, the world first BWL Nefarian kill back in 2005 had a Night Elf Tankw with the 1% mitigation being sited as the reason. As Alliance with BoSalv, the extra Weapon Skill isn't all that important for Tanks, so the 1% extra dodge may have value.
How did you not put Fear for the Shadow Resistance section..? Especially after goin over WotF over the PvP trinket; it's literally the best/entire point lol
I have a question pls......In EQ1, for a Rogue, it was possible to use mouse + keyboard to instantly slide behind an opponent and turn, attacking an opponent's back before the mob turned, getting a "backstab." If you could do it on mobs, versus PVP, it was nearly 100%. Was this possible in WoW in either PVE or PVP ?
I had such a small brain moment that when you said "Only one race in Alliance and Horde can be druid" I just went "But Wargens! Trolls!" Entirely forgetting this is about Classic WoW.
I was thinking about taking classes for hours. In the end I AGAIN stucked with it. At least this time around I changed it up a little bit and went with horde undead
even if you're melee and you're in an encounter that requires resistance gear, you're still better off going with human for the weapon skill because it means you have more options when it comes to which pieces you're going to sacrifice for resistances. you can meet the hit cap easier without compromising good gear pieces in exchange for pieces with hit on them.
You didn’t mention anything about the dodge chance from NE for warrior, makes a big difference combo with higher agility=extra armor etc. NE tank is actually a decent choice.
Beg the differ bout orc tanks, axe spec meant less hit% needed, great as you lvled, and PvE, esp as the best hit% was very late game for the most part.
No. Based on playstyle. Gnomes have a pretty good CC breaker in Classic. And the small size means that against a clicker and/or a keyboard turner, you really will not have any threat from some people. For Horde I notice never go tauren or PvP. People go out of their way to zerg you down even if it is not the best thing to do. Orc warriors are great. Gnomes rogues, an expert can play a human rogue just as well. For Horde it would have to be troll rogue and orc shaman. I am a no life multiglad R14 on several toons who just plays wow all day everyday. So I know what I am talking about. I really hope that a WoTLK Classic comes out. That will be super popular. And that is why I am rolling a human rogue for now seeing as how in WoTLK you have the EMFH which stacks with trinkets so you can back to back break CCs and that was when the number of CCs were nerfed as was their effectiveness. A human pally was also unstoppable during WoTLK. Second best pally was a Blood Elf pally with the mass instant cast aoe silence that cost 0 resources. I got glad on orc sham 2x. I dont know when they will begin race changes. They didnt have paid for server changes. Back then it was free and only during times where there were huge server queues from select servers and only one toon per account could, in the same battlegroup and only ever from a high pop to a low pop you could never go to a more populated server than what you were on with the old server change system. I switched to a goat person and tried same group of friends to go for glad again... I barely got past duelist. So back to orc was glad again. Not super skilled with a sham so that just goes to show how the race you chose does matter a huge deal in PvP.
Bro hirumaredx please do the best race/ class combos for retail wow including allied races! I have been wanting to stream more often and wanna have the most efficient characters for end content in Shadowlands! Thanks man your the best top RUclips channel btw!!!
you are mistaken about the troll priest shield because the fact that it actually could proc the stun from the talent tree with no threat...great for PVP
They say Human is number one for Warrior due to their weapon skill which is 100% true. But Warriors will be the most popular class in vanilla all the time and with Swords and Maces being king for Rogues and Warriors those items can end up being hard to come by. Where as you can pick one of the other classes and save up to get yourselves a pair of edgemasters which yes does cost alot but it unlocks Axes and Daggers as well as swords as dps options which are far easier to get a hold of. I feel like that is something any new warrior should consider.
The percentage buffs in classic are multiplicative, not additive like in retail, so the 5% spirit that humans get is increased further by the spirit talents that priests have. Edit: melee weapon skills are so powerful in pve because a weapon skill of +5 causes your glancing blows to go from 70% damage to 85% damage and is the equivalent of 3% hit.
Sorry to say but this has a lot of misinformation. Example: Priest - alliance is 100% dwarf (and not "between human and dwarf"), same goes for paladin where u actually said human was better. Alliance - warrior: theres no competition pvp-wise, gnome 100% the choice, and your claiming you could go dwarf. Thumbs down
A couple things missed in this video: Humans should be considered over gnomes for rogues in pvp, as their stealth detection ability makes them an effective counter to other rogues. Expertise is not far more 'important' to tanks because they need more threat, it's more 'effective' as a stat then it its to a DPS, because the tanks can also be parried by a boss since their naturally standing in front of it, and expertise reduces that chance.
Dude literally mouse clicks abilities and tries to lecture us Not to mention him glorifying Berserking, he effectively makes it sound perm. Not to mention 10% is not a lot, keep in mind the 30% only steps in at very low health. Which effectively means your tank is doing a bad job or you are almost dead anyways in pvp, and that is without mentioning the fact berserk costs rage and energy for the other classes which again screws them
@@Hi-uv8rv at least one of you didn't fall for the bait part. glad to see. I actually agree on the PvE side of it that it can provide a lot, but as for tanking I would either say Undead or Tauren for the Fear break or Extra Health boost they gain. as for meele it would depend on if you are going into Axes or other as the skill up can provide quite a good boost. the Blood Frenzy sadly only raises the base atk power which means any stat boosts from gear wont get affected so Troll might be able to pull ahead in terms of dmg, not to of course mention the heal loss in PvE as a tank with Blood Frenz.
Wait, guns werent the best? I thought they were awesome plus hte ability to make your own ammo, I heard you can make arrows during Wrath but I couldnt find information on it. Though I am glad hunters became more accessable to more races especially humans.
"combat prowess" in raids for paladins, that's a funny concept, when all they do is spam holy light Jokes aside love the content, been watching for years keep it up
the 5% more int from gnomes was on base int, not on the geared stat, so it was actually completely irrelevant. human hat more mana reg, with could save you from using evocation in a boss fight
No, it's total INT. It's about an extra 400 mana (7248 v. 6842) and 0.5% crit in T2 gear, the classic wow reddit has all sorts of threads (with pictures) on this, so it's 5% more total INT, not just base INT. That being said, 400 extra mana is about 2 more Frost Bolts, so it's hardly a game breaker.
@@andrewshandle well we did find out in classic vanilla its base int, the gnome had like 220 more mana than the human on full t3 and the crit was 0,2% so it's definitely not geared int, it's the base int, that's why our human mages didn't need to evocate as early as the gnomes on saph and kt
@@andrewshandle i know what you did but i believe that what i saw and tested with my guild and not what sb says on reddit, i still remember how the gnomes in our guild where disappointed, as we ve proofen it, it's the same like with darkmoonfair worldbuff, a lot of ppl thought it scales with the gear but it doesn't, it's again base stat, not the equipped so i don't know what you want me to tell?
@@markuslc1888 I think we'll have to agree to disagree, because there are pictures from classic servers that show the difference and all the gear, so I guess we are at an impasse. I like to PvP, so I'd take Gnome anyway, so for me it's a moot question anyway ;)
Given that Blizzard took most from AD&D…Will of the Forsaken was just fine and followed rules. The Whining about a 5 second immunity on a cooldown was the reason it was destroyed. Newsflash, undead are immune to sleep, charm and all mind-affecting spells, immune to critical hits, reduced slashing weapon damage, poison, disease, exhaustion and life drain. So, undead were pretty nerfed from the onset. It’s just that priests and warlocks whined consistently every time they were attacked and the rogue timed their fear spell with their WotF. If the defending player did not watch for the preemptive WotF, their fear would be cast while the undead was immune. Anyway, in a game where people go memorize raids and dungeons before even playing them, it’s not surprising to find that everything that poses a challenge will be eliminated. Lol
To balance all those perks that undead had, it would only be fair that they had some weaknesses that undead also had from AD&D, those being extra damage taken from holy magic, and susceptibility to undead crowd controls - ie, paladins fear undead, and priests shackle.
@@cmdmd Funnily enough in very, _very_ early WoW player undead were actually considered an 'undead' mob instead of humanoid, but it was changed within a few months of launch if I remember correctly.
The answer for rogue on horde is obvious It’s undead, no question. I mean, have you ever seen a horde rogue that isn’t an undead? I haven’t, they’re all undead. There aren’t even other options. It’s basically required so you can bully low level players who can’t fight back
as much as I know this is a topic that almost HAS to be covered by a youtuber.. I still feel like it shouldn´t. The problem with WoW, reason to faction/class imbalances etc etc, is because people are simply overmaxing stuff. The idea "play for fun" is out of the question and instead people play wow with some kind of speedrun in mind, clearing raids, maxing racial talents with class combos etc.. So eventually you end up in dead worlds where every1 is either H or A bevcause open world pvp ruined the raiding and lvling since it would slow them down or get rid of buffs etc. Edit: "Paladin are overall not a very good class"... Okay it´s official Hirumaredx, you know nothing of WoW classic.
I played a troll hunter in vanilla, 16 years ago so getting on a bit now but I vividly remember- bearing in mind 80% of vanilla was getting ganked while questing or leveling - that MM hunter at low level, between 34-45ish, would pretty much destroy anyone 1v1 in pvp. I was able to kill lvl 45s as a lvl 34 easily. Anyone open on you, scattershot, aimshot, concussive, arcane shot - they already 50% by now. Let them walk into a trap - get distance and repeat, if they not dead by the full CD of trap, you get scatter back and do the same, was fun chasing down players with MM hunter having so much range and slows and only needing 2 cc's, add wingclip and a good pet and you got a great class for low level pvp. May even return just to do world pvp as a low lvl hunter for a few months before realising I can't dedicate time for the game, hence why I never played classic and quit after MOP. But yeah if you want a really good class that is pretty easy to gank on, give MM hunter a go, you will basically destroy any cast with mana burn and feignt, and rogues can try get you but survive the opener and get that scatter up and distance with trap and they will sleep in the afterlife. Have fun
Troll is better shadowpriest in pvp the shadow shield procs blackout. It also does a ridiculous amount of damage at 60. Hex of weakness reduces the target being healed by 20%
I’m always horde but one thing he doesn’t mention for priests is night elves stealth is really good for farming. The stealth lets you reset some bosses that are very farmable when setup right.
Yeah look some of these are a little off. I can tell you that Tauren is the best Ele PvP Race, War Stomp + Chain Lightning-Earth Shock is utterly scary. Tauren Hunters on the other hand are without a doubt the worst choice as Deadzone is such a critical factor it technically makes it harder to get at range due to your hitbox size.
The spirit buff also helps paladins just overall in general especially leveling. With BoW and well timed mp5 play you'll better maintain mana and need way less downtime. Especially important for pvp where no mana is a dead pally.
Paladins are so terrible at leveling that extra spirit isn’t going to make a significant change over picking a class blizzard actually finished developing.
Darn, I really wanted to learn about the best druid races...
The best race is tauren because the biggest selling point for druids is flag carrying and stomp into roots is incredible as a get off me tool. Night elves can get into the flag room slightly easier with increased stealth bonus and not having to deal with perception but in terms of actually getting it home Tauren wins every day because hunters and felhounds are even better at stealth spotting.
For PvE Night Elves are better because blessing of kings is way better because cats and bears don't benefit from totems.
@@Evan-mt7bc did you miss the joke
@@isaei4799 no I got it but I wanted to give a somewhat real answer because there are some people particular ly druid players who play class over faction
@@Evan-mt7bc thx bb
@evan cool thank you 😊
For what it's worth, orcs axe racial makes axes for them superior to swords and that's important to note.
yeah only in naxx is when you actually use swords, you wanna stick to axes all throughout classic, and thats only if you get thc
Also isn’t there that one axe from AQ that puts out that dummy Thicc debuff?
not worth it... and power buff alo give u antiheal so not good for tanking...
@@Dualities it absolutely is worth it. +5 weapon skill grants 3% hit chance and reduces glancing blow penalty. It far outweighs swords until you have access to the Kel'thuzad weapons.
We all know Orc and Tauren warriors are the best cuz of the giant shoulderpads
Not forgetting gargantuan hooves
Funny you say that, idk if it exists in retail wow but in classic/tbc wow rn Taurens actually have a larger melee range.
Troll priest's hex of weakness also reduces healing by 20%. And undead touch of weakness is when you get hit by a melee attack, you don't have to perform a melee yourself...
Also, blood fury on orc doesn't scale with gear, as it only applies to BASE melee attack power.
You also forgot to mention bow spec racial for troll hunter.
You can also use Rank 1 Hex in PvP and still get the mini Mortal Strike for basically zero mana, so it's great in BGs. Also, Shadow Orbs can proc Blackout and scales _very_ well with Spell Damage. I'm a big fan of Troll Priest ;)
Bruh when he went over priests I got triggered. How you not gonna mention shadow guard is cheap does like 900 dmg and prices stuns? Troll shadow is debatably better then undead.
@@johnwhick7419 True. Touch of Weakness is great against Rogues but Devouring Plague is such a trash ability. Gets dispelled by the high amount of paladins, priests, Mage Ice Block and any dwarfs + Anti Disease Potion or Jungle medicine. Costs too much mana for a fuckin dot that doesnt even does great damage, but it heals you great. BUT u need to waste Inner Focus for that. The only viable thing about Undeads is Wotf. It is great against Locks or Priests. (Not Warriors, since their CD is the same as the insignia). But u have Silence and Insignia against 2 Fears. Thats enough to kill a lock or a priest. People who gets destroyed by DP are bad in pvp. Every good pvper has potions or any kind of trinkets. So u dont even need priest racials to kill casual pvpers. Hex of Weakness is insane for 35 Mana! 20% healing reduction on potions, bandages and spells!!! Everyone heals in duels or open world encounter. And healing reduction is basically damage, keep that in mind. Shadowguard is good. 2 More extra chance for blackout and it does a lot of damage. Much more than DP! It also protects your buffs, since it gets dispelled first. Shadowguard, SW:P, Mind flay + Vampiric Embrace is so much healing, u dont need the healing of DP. U still have inner focus for a free mind blast with 25%+ crit chance + berserking. Its a great finisher! Also mind flay is for free if needed. Or Inner focus + Flash Heal + Berserking. Im not going to waste so much versatility for a fuckin fear break. Since the alliance doesnt even have that much locks because of the fear of wotf. So if u want to clap casual pvpers then u go undead.
Base attack power can be modified by gear through primary stats like strength and agility depending on the class. Only attack power coming from gear as such didn’t apply to that racial
You barely talk about why trolls are the best race for every single class they play! They regen 5HP PER SECOND! AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!
5HP PER SECOND!!! IF YOU HAVE 100 DAYS /PLAYED TIME THATS 43200000HP REGENERATED! THATS BUSTED!
zero counterplay!
trolls
Trolls being top tier race picks for so many classes surprises me actually, since I rarely saw any Trolls when I played WoW.
I'm pretty sure even at the time people kinda figured out they were good. Unfortunately as far as the lore and story goes, Trolls always got the short end of the stick. For a role playing game that's a bad thing, especially when the mechanical differences between races get more and more insignificant over each expansion.
It's because hiru doesn't realise berserk isn't perm and doesn't realise 10% isn't a lot, the 30% only steps in at low health.
I played a troll priest main longer than any other character starting in vanilla and to this day never understand why so many people hate trolls. I know the maker of this video does so has to hurt a little
@@BottledDelusion I would say it's the hunch/squat position for the male troll. Orcs and undead suffer from it, but nowhere near as bad as trolls. If they came out looking like the Zandalari ones, I think they would have been more popular. The female trolls aren't really hot or cute, so they get passed by as well.
@@BottledDelusion Taz dingo! Trolls are so great! I like the tribal vibe. Also the abilites for shadow priests are sooo strong. I rarely encounter situations where i need a fear break. Troll fits the shadow priest so well! Witch Doctor manxy!
15:50 the priest doesn't need to melee attack, it gets activated when melee is used against the priest
Orc warriors in PvP could spec 5/5 Iron will, which gave 15% chance to resist stuns, with this bringing up the chance to resist stuns for Orc warriors up to 40%. It was common lnowledge that Alliance rogues would just not attack Orc warriors at all if they could help it.
45% considering orcs have 30% with the base chance being 5%
"Starting from the Alliance, and working our way down"
Very nice subtle burn.
Don’t tell swifts about the the Night Elf Warrior combo 😂🥸
Night elf best race hehe
Good job bro! Another good one. Keep it up. From your biggest fan!
"Rogues, the class for people who hate themselves."
As a rogue main, I give this a Yeah.
„Starting with the alliance and working our way down.“ :D nice
Now I'm kind of wondering how Turtle WoW's new vanilla races -- High Elves and Goblins -- and their racials would compare to the OG ones.
You are really overlooking how good hex of weakness and shadow guard are for shadow priests in PVP. Shadow guard scales with shadow modifiers and can provide blackout stuns and when triggered builds your stacks of shadow weaving. Hex of weakness rank 1 is a 35 mana 20% ranged mortal strike. Not disputing that will of the forsaken is amazing, but troll is way better than people think.
Thanks for the informative and deepdive comparisons :)
Hiruma “niche” Redx
Jokes aside always look forward to your videos
if it makes you guys feel any better, the #1 dps in the world on kel thuzad in phase 6 was a dwarf warrior. race/class doesn't matter nearly as much as a lot of these videos say they do
Yeah you only need the hungering cold from the final boss in the final raid
@@JeroenLevolger It's more about people who min/max are usually compensating for something aka they are dogshit in the game. If they weren't, they wouldn't need any advantages.
its about gear u have. but class/race is still important chooise
If it makes you feel any better, parsing in SoM is a meme. And going edgies as a DPS warrior will be a higher DPS upgrade than waiting in line for a viskag or brutality blade with 30 other human males
What are your guesses for Som.
Will the servers be horde or alliance dominated and what class/race is going to be easiest for ironman?
Given that their are no world buffs and raid bosses health have doubled I’d assume alliance would have the majority but who knows
Another plus to being a Troll Hunter is having the Bow Specialization passive giving +5 bow skill. Combined with the amount of great bows in the game and its a big plus imo.
Doesn't bow skill barely effect anything at max lvl because arrows can't be dodged, parried or blocked?
Ranked attacks also cannot glance, so really, the only thing weapon skill provides for them at end game is an extra +3% hit chance, which I remember some hunters saying it was helpful for them.
@@HT-ye9ff Ah ok good to know! I have never played a hunter so I didn't know how it worked for them. Figured it was similar to melee +weapon skill
U dont use a bow in the endgame.
Troll spriests are really OP as the shadowguard scales so hard with SP. in the end of classic i could hit almost 900 damage per tick.
Agree!
Also works with blackout talent, so if a melee hit you they can get stunded, witch wasn't mentioned here..
Nor was darkrune+berserker, for better utilize the spell
900 dmg per tick : You re obviously lying. The SP scaling on each tic is 26,8%. Could you explain the formula which brings a tic to 900 with a base damage of 116 ? Even with Shadowform, Zandalar trinket, each bis SP items...it's still a lie.
@@sebastianberats1064 if you check the logs of my spriest “Qaren” you can see it. I ran some great math. I hold rank 1 ZG and if you watch in my video of it theres a part where i display having 1328 SP. if you combine that with DMF, shadow vuln from spriest, the shadow vuln from shadow bolt, curse from warlock, nightfall, and PI it is possible. In my video i hit a 946 SWP tick without DMF.
True! Touch of Weakness is great against Rogues but Devouring Plague is such a trash ability. Gets dispelled by the high amount of paladins, priests, Mage Ice Block and any dwarfs + Anti Disease Potion or Jungle medicine. Costs too much mana for a fuckin dot that doesnt even does great damage, but it heals you great. BUT u need to waste Inner Focus for that. The only viable thing about Undeads is Wotf. It is great against Locks or Priests. (Not Warriors, since their CD is the same as the insignia). But u have Silence and Insignia against 2 Fears. Thats enough to kill a lock or a priest. People who gets destroyed by DP are bad in pvp. Every good pvper has potions or any kind of trinkets. So u dont even need priest racials to kill casual pvpers. Hex of Weakness is insane for 35 Mana! 20% healing reduction on potions, bandages and spells!!! Everyone heals in duels or open world encounter. And healing reduction is basically damage, keep that in mind. Shadowguard is good. 2 More extra chance for blackout and it does a lot of damage. Much more than DP! It also protects your buffs, since it gets dispelled first. Shadowguard, SW:P, Mind flay + Vampiric Embrace is so much healing, u dont need the healing of DP. U still have inner focus for a free mind blast with 25%+ crit chance + berserking. Its a great finisher! Also mind flay is for free if needed. Or Inner focus + Flash Heal + Berserking. Im not going to waste so much versatility for a fuckin fear break. Since the alliance doesnt even have that much locks because of the fear of wotf. So if u want to clap casual pvpers then u go undead.
I still want to see history of rogue finishing moves.
bump
Tauren Shaman = BiS pvp, the combos you can pull of with warstomp are insane.
Yeah weird he didnt mention tauren ele shaman war stomp into EM CL combo. You can delete people with it in pvp. Considering shaman dont have any hard cc its very very powerful
@@JeroenLevolger and you can cast a fire nova totem before that. don't like the rng of the orc racial, thats why i think tauren is better
I always liked the Worgen/Warlock combo. I don't know why but it just seems like something that looks cool.
My name on WoW used to be: Worgen Flea Man
RE: Warrior, the world first BWL Nefarian kill back in 2005 had a Night Elf Tankw with the 1% mitigation being sited as the reason. As Alliance with BoSalv, the extra Weapon Skill isn't all that important for Tanks, so the 1% extra dodge may have value.
I like watching the gameplay in the background and seeing him take on two mobs at once and dying / almost dying
How did you not put Fear for the Shadow Resistance section..? Especially after goin over WotF over the PvP trinket; it's literally the best/entire point lol
I think in the end you should play as what you have fun the most.
I have a question pls......In EQ1, for a Rogue, it was possible to use mouse + keyboard to instantly slide behind an opponent and turn, attacking an opponent's back before the mob turned, getting a "backstab." If you could do it on mobs, versus PVP, it was nearly 100%. Was this possible in WoW in either PVE or PVP ?
I had such a small brain moment that when you said "Only one race in Alliance and Horde can be druid" I just went "But Wargens! Trolls!" Entirely forgetting this is about Classic WoW.
Great video, great time too
I was thinking about taking classes for hours. In the end I AGAIN stucked with it. At least this time around I changed it up a little bit and went with horde undead
What is the human armor used in the picture? It looks very good but humans don't have heritage armor yet.
even if you're melee and you're in an encounter that requires resistance gear, you're still better off going with human for the weapon skill because it means you have more options when it comes to which pieces you're going to sacrifice for resistances. you can meet the hit cap easier without compromising good gear pieces in exchange for pieces with hit on them.
You didn’t mention anything about the dodge chance from NE for warrior, makes a big difference combo with higher agility=extra armor etc. NE tank is actually a decent choice.
Beg the differ bout orc tanks, axe spec meant less hit% needed, great as you lvled, and PvE, esp as the best hit% was very late game for the most part.
No mention of the Night Elves's elusiveness passive giving them an extra chance to dodge attacks?
Don’t forget troll hunters can move and shoot
Great video man, what about a wrath of the lich king version?
I can't wait to play shadow priest in season of mastery.
this is gonna be fun ^^
Why?
@@vitatrainmalte I try to enjoy the little things.
I am sick of people complaining non stop
Yep i enjoy IT too . I will Level slow and enjoy all the great Things . And the oldsxhool world
Dwarf rogue is best for pvp... Stoneform makes u immune to blind AND you can cast it while ur blinded.
No. Based on playstyle. Gnomes have a pretty good CC breaker in Classic. And the small size means that against a clicker and/or a keyboard turner, you really will not have any threat from some people. For Horde I notice never go tauren or PvP. People go out of their way to zerg you down even if it is not the best thing to do. Orc warriors are great.
Gnomes rogues, an expert can play a human rogue just as well. For Horde it would have to be troll rogue and orc shaman. I am a no life multiglad R14 on several toons who just plays wow all day everyday. So I know what I am talking about.
I really hope that a WoTLK Classic comes out. That will be super popular. And that is why I am rolling a human rogue for now seeing as how in WoTLK you have the EMFH which stacks with trinkets so you can back to back break CCs and that was when the number of CCs were nerfed as was their effectiveness. A human pally was also unstoppable during WoTLK. Second best pally was a Blood Elf pally with the mass instant cast aoe silence that cost 0 resources. I got glad on orc sham 2x. I dont know when they will begin race changes. They didnt have paid for server changes. Back then it was free and only during times where there were huge server queues from select servers and only one toon per account could, in the same battlegroup and only ever from a high pop to a low pop you could never go to a more populated server than what you were on with the old server change system. I switched to a goat person and tried same group of friends to go for glad again... I barely got past duelist. So back to orc was glad again. Not super skilled with a sham so that just goes to show how the race you chose does matter a huge deal in PvP.
Bro hirumaredx please do the best race/ class combos for retail wow including allied races! I have been wanting to stream more often and wanna have the most efficient characters for end content in Shadowlands! Thanks man your the best top RUclips channel btw!!!
If you look at the history hiru, of the wraith walk ability they changed the description of it maybe more things
you are mistaken about the troll priest shield because the fact that it actually could proc the stun from the talent tree with no threat...great for PVP
Why no mention of 5% extra HP for Tauren? That's kind of an important thing for tanks, warrior or druid.
19:36
Prob only better for druid tanks. Human warrior is still way better because hitting the boss is way more important in Classic than getting hit by it.
Female undead fury warrior dose a flip when attacking. So I made my choice
period!!
Aah yes the human paladin. Now that was chill.
Play the game? No.. Listen to Hirumaredx talk about playing the game? Definitely.
Hi, does undead's ability to breathe longer underwater help in any situation in vanilia WoW?
as a rogue you can sometimes cc ppl underwater to kill them
Its ok for leveling but outside of that only what the guy above said.
They say Human is number one for Warrior due to their weapon skill which is 100% true. But Warriors will be the most popular class in vanilla all the time and with Swords and Maces being king for Rogues and Warriors those items can end up being hard to come by. Where as you can pick one of the other classes and save up to get yourselves a pair of edgemasters which yes does cost alot but it unlocks Axes and Daggers as well as swords as dps options which are far easier to get a hold of. I feel like that is something any new warrior should consider.
No
Isnt undead "will of the forsaken" a bit wasted on warrior since they already can break out of fear ?
WOTF is not just for fear
Yeah for warr PvP you want to play Orc to resist rogue and paladin stuns.
Sleep and Charm if u fight against a druid or lock.
ok 1st... not an history video? OMFG!
2ND... pleaseee, thrown weapon historyyyyyy
i've been begging all your videos so faaaaaaaar
Here throw weapon history: They sucked from the start till they got removed, the end
@@MoonTurky wrong in tbc and wolk there were bis for pvp as a rouge
Even after 2y of classic tryharding ppl still want to do tryhard kek
This isn't really a tryhard guide
But, you've already made this video. Am I missing something?
I was gonna ask about why you didnt talked about Every Man for Himself for Humans but I forggot that wasnt in the game till 3.0.2
so when wrath drops what happens to everyone on SoM?
Hey i've seen this one before
What do you mean? its brand new
Orc warlocks can tip the scale in PvE, but especially in PvP due to their Hardiness.
Undead warrior not being a good pop choice? Do you know what charm is?
But do u really want a single counter against charm? Orcs have much more damage and stun resist and there are much more classes with stun effects.
Rogues a class for people to play who hate themselves
Well said
As a rogue, i can relate to that.
The worst thing about tauren hunters is their abysmal dead zone.
Everything is worst on a Tauren.
What is the song starting at 13:33?
ty love your videos
Actually at 15:48 Touch of weakness requires you to be hit, not melee attack the enemy.
Love you tho hiru
What's SoM? I just started playing a classless private server and I might try out the blizz version if it's the one that has season
Faster leveling, shorter patches, harder raids, no boosting and even easier consume farming
@@iplaylol25 so basically the same boring shit as before? Hard pass lmao
@@MoonTurky who asked
The percentage buffs in classic are multiplicative, not additive like in retail, so the 5% spirit that humans get is increased further by the spirit talents that priests have.
Edit: melee weapon skills are so powerful in pve because a weapon skill of +5 causes your glancing blows to go from 70% damage to 85% damage and is the equivalent of 3% hit.
I'm a druid. Original was hunter. I swore if they brought classic back I would be a druid. 👊 bump
Sorry to say but this has a lot of misinformation. Example: Priest - alliance is 100% dwarf (and not "between human and dwarf"), same goes for paladin where u actually said human was better. Alliance - warrior: theres no competition pvp-wise, gnome 100% the choice, and your claiming you could go dwarf. Thumbs down
True. Stoneform is insane! Also fear ward since there a so much more locks on horde side.
i went with orc for my hunter back when i played wow i think it was just before ammo was removed (witch i hated as i liked the ammo management)
17:18 I miss the female undead rogue flip on eviscerate :(
A couple things missed in this video: Humans should be considered over gnomes for rogues in pvp, as their stealth detection ability makes them an effective counter to other rogues.
Expertise is not far more 'important' to tanks because they need more threat, it's more 'effective' as a stat then it its to a DPS, because the tanks can also be parried by a boss since their naturally standing in front of it, and expertise reduces that chance.
Gnomes are better against other classes. If u want to be the rogue counter then yes.
Human was easy for Paladin since in PVE you have spirit buff and PVP you had perception since you were gonna be a healer most likely.
can you make one of this for retail?
Is this theduellogs?
For me I've played rpg for 35 years . I love pallies.
Problem isn't pet AI. It's that they are made of paper and glue
night elf priest have another racial called Ellune's grace
Dude literally mouse clicks abilities and tries to lecture us
Not to mention him glorifying Berserking, he effectively makes it sound perm. Not to mention 10% is not a lot, keep in mind the 30% only steps in at very low health. Which effectively means your tank is doing a bad job or you are almost dead anyways in pvp, and that is without mentioning the fact berserk costs rage and energy for the other classes which again screws them
here´s the "if you mouse your abilities you´re a noob" type of elitist, I´m sure everyone gives a shit about your 300 macros and bendy fingers
its makes no different if you click with your mouse or press a key for your abilitys
Reeeee someone who clicks his abilities is giving statistical data so I don't listen to the statistical data anymore reeee
troll is the best pve race for any caster´s troll is the best for pve tanking by a alot
@@Hi-uv8rv at least one of you didn't fall for the bait part. glad to see. I actually agree on the PvE side of it that it can provide a lot, but as for tanking I would either say Undead or Tauren for the Fear break or Extra Health boost they gain. as for meele it would depend on if you are going into Axes or other as the skill up can provide quite a good boost. the Blood Frenzy sadly only raises the base atk power which means any stat boosts from gear wont get affected so Troll might be able to pull ahead in terms of dmg, not to of course mention the heal loss in PvE as a tank with Blood Frenz.
For priest it is dwarf, no question. Fear ward is too good.
True. Alliance = Dwarfs and Horde = Trolls.
My dwarf hunter combo only taking last place. FeelsBadMan
Wait, guns werent the best? I thought they were awesome plus hte ability to make your own ammo, I heard you can make arrows during Wrath but I couldnt find information on it.
Though I am glad hunters became more accessable to more races especially humans.
kinda forgot ne 1% extra dodge for warriors wich can be nice for tanking
Now do this for Turtle
"combat prowess" in raids for paladins, that's a funny concept, when all they do is spam holy light
Jokes aside love the content, been watching for years keep it up
the 5% more int from gnomes was on base int, not on the geared stat, so it was actually completely irrelevant. human hat more mana reg, with could save you from using evocation in a boss fight
No, it's total INT. It's about an extra 400 mana (7248 v. 6842) and 0.5% crit in T2 gear, the classic wow reddit has all sorts of threads (with pictures) on this, so it's 5% more total INT, not just base INT. That being said, 400 extra mana is about 2 more Frost Bolts, so it's hardly a game breaker.
@@andrewshandle well we did find out in classic vanilla its base int, the gnome had like 220 more mana than the human on full t3 and the crit was 0,2% so it's definitely not geared int, it's the base int, that's why our human mages didn't need to evocate as early as the gnomes on saph and kt
@@markuslc1888 I posted the mana and crit difference from two mages in T2 with identical gear from classic servers, so not sure what to tell you.
@@andrewshandle i know what you did but i believe that what i saw and tested with my guild and not what sb says on reddit, i still remember how the gnomes in our guild where disappointed, as we ve proofen it, it's the same like with darkmoonfair worldbuff, a lot of ppl thought it scales with the gear but it doesn't, it's again base stat, not the equipped so i don't know what you want me to tell?
@@markuslc1888 I think we'll have to agree to disagree, because there are pictures from classic servers that show the difference and all the gear, so I guess we are at an impasse.
I like to PvP, so I'd take Gnome anyway, so for me it's a moot question anyway ;)
Given that Blizzard took most from AD&D…Will of the Forsaken was just fine and followed rules. The Whining about a 5 second immunity on a cooldown was the reason it was destroyed.
Newsflash, undead are immune to sleep, charm and all mind-affecting spells, immune to critical hits, reduced slashing weapon damage, poison, disease, exhaustion and life drain.
So, undead were pretty nerfed from the onset. It’s just that priests and warlocks whined consistently every time they were attacked and the rogue timed their fear spell with their WotF. If the defending player did not watch for the preemptive WotF, their fear would be cast while the undead was immune.
Anyway, in a game where people go memorize raids and dungeons before even playing them, it’s not surprising to find that everything that poses a challenge will be eliminated. Lol
To balance all those perks that undead had, it would only be fair that they had some weaknesses that undead also had from AD&D, those being extra damage taken from holy magic, and susceptibility to undead crowd controls - ie, paladins fear undead, and priests shackle.
@@StaffordMagnus
Indeed. I honestly expected those.
@@cmdmd Funnily enough in very, _very_ early WoW player undead were actually considered an 'undead' mob instead of humanoid, but it was changed within a few months of launch if I remember correctly.
im not playing SOM, but i wonder if people still wanna tryhard inthis classic classiclol
To brag their egos and want wow retail to be like wow classic, of course!
Male Troll mage cast animation is kamehameha. Case closed, best mage race.
The answer for rogue on horde is obvious
It’s undead, no question. I mean, have you ever seen a horde rogue that isn’t an undead? I haven’t, they’re all undead. There aren’t even other options. It’s basically required so you can bully low level players who can’t fight back
You sound traumatized
@@WillHughesTV I am extremely traumatized
I am also traumatized by undead rogues
Rogues are allowed to clap noobs, i mean theyre rogues! But u really dont want to fight against a orc rogue...
as much as I know this is a topic that almost HAS to be covered by a youtuber.. I still feel like it shouldn´t. The problem with WoW, reason to faction/class imbalances etc etc, is because people are simply overmaxing stuff. The idea "play for fun" is out of the question and instead people play wow with some kind of speedrun in mind, clearing raids, maxing racial talents with class combos etc.. So eventually you end up in dead worlds where every1 is either H or A bevcause open world pvp ruined the raiding and lvling since it would slow them down or get rid of buffs etc.
Edit: "Paladin are overall not a very good class"... Okay it´s official Hirumaredx, you know nothing of WoW classic.
Undead Warrior all the way.
For the authentic, and WotF being op af in fights that had a fear mechanic
You can break fear as a warrior 3 different ways
Only good against locks and if u fight against a priest longer than 24 sec the laugh emote of him is totally worth.
I played a troll hunter in vanilla, 16 years ago so getting on a bit now but I vividly remember- bearing in mind 80% of vanilla was getting ganked while questing or leveling - that MM hunter at low level, between 34-45ish, would pretty much destroy anyone 1v1 in pvp. I was able to kill lvl 45s as a lvl 34 easily.
Anyone open on you, scattershot, aimshot, concussive, arcane shot - they already 50% by now. Let them walk into a trap - get distance and repeat, if they not dead by the full CD of trap, you get scatter back and do the same, was fun chasing down players with MM hunter having so much range and slows and only needing 2 cc's, add wingclip and a good pet and you got a great class for low level pvp.
May even return just to do world pvp as a low lvl hunter for a few months before realising I can't dedicate time for the game, hence why I never played classic and quit after MOP.
But yeah if you want a really good class that is pretty easy to gank on, give MM hunter a go, you will basically destroy any cast with mana burn and feignt, and rogues can try get you but survive the opener and get that scatter up and distance with trap and they will sleep in the afterlife.
Have fun
Night Elves need a buff. So much. They should have a racial 4% movement speed increase.
Troll is better shadowpriest in pvp the shadow shield procs blackout. It also does a ridiculous amount of damage at 60. Hex of weakness reduces the target being healed by 20%
its depends.undead dot is doing so much more damage if enemie cant remove it.UD is very good in 1 vs 1
I’m always horde but one thing he doesn’t mention for priests is night elves stealth is really good for farming. The stealth lets you reset some bosses that are very farmable when setup right.
Yeah look some of these are a little off. I can tell you that Tauren is the best Ele PvP Race, War Stomp + Chain Lightning-Earth Shock is utterly scary. Tauren Hunters on the other hand are without a doubt the worst choice as Deadzone is such a critical factor it technically makes it harder to get at range due to your hitbox size.
The spirit buff also helps paladins just overall in general especially leveling.
With BoW and well timed mp5 play you'll better maintain mana and need way less downtime.
Especially important for pvp where no mana is a dead pally.
Paladins are so terrible at leveling that extra spirit isn’t going to make a significant change over picking a class blizzard actually finished developing.
Soo... never play nightelves?
undead has better cast animation so its better for any caster class no matter what the other classes offer
Laughs in Noggenfogger
So basically night elves are just meme and not for anything unless druid and it's obligatory :))