Tom Taylor mentioned that Superman would never be that superman in Injustice. I think they changed him like they changed Wonder Woman for the sake of the story.
Yeah. The correct take on a Superman that deals with the loss of his love and the aftermath has already been done. It’s called Kingdom Come. Lois and the Daily Planet are all gassed by the Joker, but Superman never becomes a dictator, and even in his grief, fights *against* “superheroes” who embrace more violent and extreme methods like murder.
@@donovanlarsen7982 In Injustice superman was the gun like he said to Bruce. He thought he fought Doomsday but it was Lois and she died because of that, and his unborn child died as well as Metropolis also previously he finds Jimmy's body showing signs of being murdered by the Joker. So when Superman confronts Joker he is still not calm from all the heartache and Joker keeps reminding Clark of his failures so he can't think straigt and the final straw is him making fun of Lois and his unborn child that he wonders that he can't protect his next family like he couldn't with Lois. After killing the Joker Superman seeks out Bruce for a friend but doesn't get any support so he goes to Wonder Woman who guides him to all the wrong actions. In the Injustice comics there are scenes where Clark thinks of backing down but Wonder Woman is there to shut down those thoughts.
@@donovanlarsen7982 He also builds a gulag to imprison the rogue meta humans against their will. But yeah, his handling of the Joker’s murder spree in Kingdom Come is a much better representation of his character. Throughout it all, he never considered killing Joker to be an option; he is even outraged when Magog finally does it. And he becomes devastated when the public sides with Magog’s newer, more violent approach to heroism. Sure he goes into exile for ten years, but he still comes back to save humanity when things get too extreme. And as flawed as Superman’s approach is, it stems out of a desire to preserve the sanctity of life and protect the innocent.
@@matiasjauhojarvi9551 I disagree about Bruce's part. Even if he had given Clark support it wouldn't make anything better. He had already begun to impose his non tolerance approach in the world (an action that result in his father being kidnapped by the USA goverment). When Clark went to Bruce, he wasn't looking for a friend to help him find his way. He was looking for "yes friend", someone to feed on his frail ego. Sure, Bruce may have been bit harsh, but he wasn't wrong at point out his mistake, which Clark immediatly rejected, saying that "the joker deserved to die" and that "his actions saved people that Bruce would let die". This is the thing about Injustice Superman: Bc of what Joker did to him, the guilt he feels for Lois's death, Clark is unable to accept his failures, choosing instead to blame others for his problems and lash out (something Wonder Woman made it worse). He claims he wants to make the world better for all, but in reality he's just doing for himself, killing anyone who can make him feel like a failure.
Fun fact: mainstream DC put Superman through the mental anguish of losing Lois. Twice. The first time was with the Joker, the second time was with Manchester Black. The one involving the Joker had him gravely poison Lois. The only way for Superman to save Lois was to create an anti-serum from Joker’s antibodies or something, but the process would kill the Joker. Superman had to either kill the Joker to save Lois or let Lois die so the Joker could live. In the end Superman let Lois die because she didn’t want him to compromise his moral code and become a killer. Although she came back to life a few moments later and it was revealed that the poison was not meant to be fatal after all. It was a sick joke all along meant to attempt to break Superman. But it didn’t. The second situation involved Manchester Black after the events of “What’s So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way?”. Black escapes from prison, finds out Superman’s secret identity, and marks everyone Clark has ever known or saved for death, going with Lois as his ultimate target. Black creates an illusion with his telepathy making it look like he killed Lois long before he made his announcement to kill everybody else. He then attempts to goad Superman into killing him. And Superman refuses to do it. This ends up breaking Black mentally because he realizes that Superman’s belief about the sanctity of all life was sincere. He then drops the illusion and reveals Lois was fine all along. Then Black kills himself.
"Superman would be a crazy dictator if lois died" is the same shit tier take as "Batman would beat anyone with enough prep time" both misunderstand the appeal of and the entire character part of those two characters, and both are constantly regurgitated by people who only read comics because they're trendy and not because they actually like them.
I feel like a closer comparison is “If batman killed once he’ll just kill everyone”. I fucking hate that being the reason for his no kill rule, i much prefer the “life is sacred, so i must not take a life”
@@mahmoudsalaheddine8358yes! I’ve never heard someone else complain about it but it drives me insane! (My frustrations with it literally spawned my own superhero world years ago lol)
The Batman would beat anyone with prep time is so infuriating to me. The idea was originated from and popularized with the Tower of Babel story, but that completely misunderstood the story. Batman had a contingency plan in the Tower of Babel because he was a leader of the justice league, and fellow leaguers came to trust him and share with him their vulnerabilities to grow closer to Batman as both a colleague and a friend. However, Batman betrayed that trust by not only keeping a plan to defeat them without their knowledge, but also exploiting the things they share with him during their conversations, and reflections. For example, Kyle Rayner said to Batman that his power requires his sight to manifest, and he is also powerful because his eyes allow him to see creative possibility in the world, so Batman's plan blinded him. Therefore, it was not a story about Batman capable of defeating the league, but about his paranoia and self-destructive behaviours pushes away the people closest to him.
I think that's the point, especially in the second game where they imply that It was Wonder Woman's extremist worrier mentality that caused him to go off of the deep end. It's kind of a groupthink concept.
Never forget kids, corps is pronounced "core". Jokes aside, I'm glad someone else agrees with me. People have become so brainrotted by the multitude of evil clones and "absolute power corrupts absolutely" that they are incapable of believing in absolute good and call it lazy writing
This channel is gna blow up soon. Great editing and i like the topics you cover. But yeah your points are why our superman prime earth superman, wouldnt become injustice superman. But thats the entire point. Ultraman and injustice superman are their own characters in their own timelines in their own universes
I agree, Injustice interpretation sucked. I know it's elseworlds/alt universe, but it was still pretty bad. The motivations made no sense, and everyone acted nonsensical. It just dumped on characters for the sake of 'cool scenes' and 'wild what if' that werent actually cool and very overdone
My current favorite Superman has to be the “my adventures with Superman” one, it is such a refreshing take on the character after all of the “evil Supermans” and gritty takes on superheroes in general.
Injustice is 1 of infinite parallel universes, we know regular Superman or Supermen would never act like that. He's just 1 of infinite versions, just like the good Lex Luthor is nothing like regular Lex.
doesn't justify terrible story telling and a non-existent understanding of a famous character. Red Sun is a bad superman done right. Injustice is edgy nonsense that gets a pass because its an elseworld story when thats an excuse for being badly written.
There's been so many "Evil Superman" and evil superheroes in general recently that it's become a breath of fresh air when a hero is just objectively and subjectively a GOOD PERSON who wants to do GOOD for SELFLESS reasons, and manages it, instead of going down an evil route anyway.
I know Injustice gets a bad rep from people who love Superman, I get it I love Superman too. But in the first Injustice game, we get to play as the "True Superman", coming over from the main timeline to save this broken world. But I've always seen this story as a Batman story, not a Superman story. The 2 different Batmen being 2 different classical versions of Batman, that are in contrast to each other. One Bruce trusting in his friend Clark who always does the right thing. The other has been hardened by too many losses, And struggles to trust anyone. But he has to learn to trust again because Batman does whatever it takes to save the day. And then Injustice 2 is clearly a Supergirl story. Even if our heroes fail to live up to expectations, Even if good people turn to evil, there will always be new people willing to stand up and fight for what's right. So in the Injustice universe Supergirl is the symbol of incorruptible good.
One thing that makes me so mad is that Batman picks and chooses who he wants to hold accountable. Superman should be held accountable to a greater extent because of who he is and what he symbolizes, yes. But then he has Harley Quinn on his team who is responsible for the deaths of thousands of people, one of his friends, and future God child. They say that she’s going to be held accountable and then they just don’t do that. Somehow the flash is in a cell, but she isn’t. Would Batman be OK with Superman hanging out with Joe Chill? Batman is also horrible. That whole universe just doesn’t make any sense.
Despite the 2021 animated film not being good as well, I will say it is by far the least offensive Injustice content we have. Superman a little merit to becoming a dictator yet doesn’t become a crazed tyrant (yes tyrants and dictators aren’t exactly the same) and Diana actually has restraint despite (I believe) this being the same continuity where Steve Trevor, the man she loved dearly, turned out to be a Nazi spy, which then Diana promptly decapitates him. There are still many flaws with the movie such as Flash being killed off and when Superman lasers a bunch of Gen-Z party goers (which why are there teenagers celebrating the Joker? Like seriously…WHY? The Joker is quite possibly the worst terrorist in the history of DC. I refuse to believe anyone would be sad about Joker being put down, aside from maybe Harley). Back to the point: There’s pretty much no reason why the movie is the most hated part of Injustice as it actually tried to make Superman, Wonder Woman along with any other regime members redeemable instead of simply being diabolical warlords.
Wow, you're naive in the last part. A lot of people today worship Hitler. Neo-n@zi ideology is widely spread around the world. Teenagers will do anything to oppose their parents/society, etc. You really think there won't be Joker supporters?
Yeah, I'm with ya. Never liked the idea that Superman was just 1 bad day away from losing it. Imo the only way I could see Superman losing hope to this degree would be if there was a way that he was being dosed with fear toxin while in a marginally weakened state. Then the writers could play off of how powerful fear of something can be if you let it in you like a constant poison. Which is much more allegorical.
I disagree with your point in this video. I don't think there is anything wrong with how Injustice portrayed him. I don't think there is anything wrong with inverting a character's whole personality or morality if its just for the sake of what is practically a "what if" universe. Injustice was just a fun little side comic/game/animated movie. The consequences of everybody in the story and their actions doesn't affect the overall continuity and it doesn't stain his character. I think it was really fun and exciting to see him in this light. It may not be "Superman" by most people's definitions but it was never meant to be.
I think that all of this would’ve been a different story if Batman had talked talk to Clark. His father even said you should’ve been there for him and Bruce admitted that. I think if anyone could’ve convinced Superman to turn himself in for killing the Joker it would’ve been Batman. He just turned his back on him when he was at his lowest. It’s even worse because Batman almost did the same thing. When Damien was killed, he almost killed the heretic. It wasn’t until he saw that the heretic was a clone of Damien that he stopped nearly beating him to death.
I would have to say Tomassi's Rebirth run on Superman was one of my favorites, and the new Superman anime. Honorable mention to Superman: Unchained as well.
I wonder what it says about things that there is a drive, a will, and want to continuously tell stories of beacons of hope who choose to try and be better, turned into dark omens of doom. Isn't the world dystopian enough as it is?
I don't really know why they keep doing it, if they stated that Supermans power is infinite, cause he held the half of some book with infinite mass. Goku never had cheats like that, his speed, power, etc. have always been limited values
They got all videos horribly wrong eith every single one of their facts and scaling. Although the outcome is correct, the way they got there was a disgrace to the original characters. Plus they downplayed both of them so badly and used outliers as feats that weren't even good feats if taken seriously. The Book feat is literally one of the weakest feats in that Final Crisis comic issue and thr book is also not Infinite in the Spacial sense but it's Infinite in the fact that it contains all of the stories and memories of all of the characters in Limbo and its author is a dead monkey. Limbo being a Transcendental realm that exists above the God Sphere where all lost and forgotten stories go to once erased or forgotten by the Collective Unconscious. Superman literally pulls off far greater feats in that issue and there's other issues and stories that make that High Outerversal, Boom Tube amped Superman look like absolute fodder.
If anything Superman's the STRONGEST possible BLUE lantern. Period. I had a massive problem with him doing Joker like that too - then Billy, and all the senseless deaths that he just would NEVER undertake. He has the strength no doubt; it's not infeasible, at all... it's just NOT who Clark Kent is. Or would EVER choose to be. It's one reason other than the fact I suck at fighting games, I never got into Injustice. This incarnation is more in line with some of the one shots in the bronze age comics where the characters weren't as Iconic, and had more leeway to be shaped. So batman and Superman were often presented as dickish, to actual tyrants in Superman's case at at least one point. * Not only that; Apocalypse War put to bed the notion that Green Kryptonite is at all lethal to him - he had it TATTOOED into his chest for a freaking YEAR and all it did was turn him into probably still slightly enhanced for a human. Considering he held his own pretty well with nerfed abilities. (They weren't ALL gone, or he'd have been dead in the battles, but he was pretty nuked from what he should be, which was kind of the point) ** Very technical point: The thing "closest to him" (in the literal physiological sense) is either his cousin Kara or Diana. Now most don't like the concept of him pairing with Kara - duh, family, but Diana's never been a bad pairing for equal rank. His focus on Lois is Iconic, but that's more about tradition. If he actually wanted a true equal; Diana's the better love interest. They chose Lois to ground him more to humanity, rather than being the god he factually IS - whether DC will ever fuck off and just admit it or not - and frankly I think Lana suited him better as the farm boy, rather than trying to make Clark get modern minded as the city folk. But that's just me.
Am I the only person who thinks Superman shouldn’t b able to kill Shazam as easily as he does Joker, Green Arrow n Lex Luthor I can understand those guys but not Shazam especially when he has his powers going on bcuz 1 of his powers is god tear invulnerability he should b nigh indestructible especially since he’s magic n Superman frequently has trouble with magic he shouldn’t even b able to hurt him in his god form much less b able to kill him
Superman definitely can hurt Billy. Magic doesn't stop Superman from hurting you,it just makes it easier for you to hurt him. Superman has more raw power than Billy,especially current,main line Superman. Sure you cam argue that he shouldn't have been able to kill him without a fight,but you can't argue against him being able to hurt him.
@@thelonesurvivor3955 clearly u didn’t catch my statement about Billy (Shazam) having god tear invulnerability Superman is powerful n always will b unless some douche bag writes Superman to b a total pussy in the near future but he is just an alien as supposed to mystical gods (Greek Olympians) he has a better chance of resisting Darkseid’s omega beams based on his power of invulnerability yet they’re going to have Superman kill him via heat vision that wouldn’t even give him a sun burn much less any serious injury he already has strength that rivals Superman, speed that arguably rivals the Flash n above all else he has the power of Zeus which he can use to amp up any 1 or all of his abilities sorry but Superman isn’t hurting Shazam much less killing him especially when he’s in his hero form
You like Superman so much you can't see the reality. He's in love with Lois, and when she becomes pregnant she becomes the most important thing in the world for him. Nothing else matters in comparison to her and his child in her. And when Joker makes him kill them, superman starts to think what did he do wrong, what should have he done to prevent this. And the answer was simple: he needed to be the "orderly of the forest". As the wolves kill sick animals in the forest, preventing the spread of the disease, he kills villains before they killed even more people than before. And after he crosses the line one time this faschist logic makes him go deeper and deeper
It’s almost like the injustice game wants to make Superman into this version of Pime-El aka Superboy Prime but much better written n a bit more mature sorta speak
@@AnAverageGoblin it's a reimagining.. superman isn't objectively anything lol it can be whatever they want it to be.. you can say its bad but saying its bad cuz they don't understand superman is dumb af xD
@@meacham723 Superman Red Sun is an example of a "bad superman" idea where they still understand the core of the character. Communist Dictator Superman is completely different than normal Superman, but still FEELS like Superman even though he's nothing like him.
@@AnAverageGoblinExactly. Because at his core, he wants to help and protect people from harm. And at the end, when he takes his desire to extreme lengths, he realizes that he’s gone too far and abandons his mission.
Injustice Superman is something I fee like most people don't understand because it answers what if we are wrong about dictator Superman what if Superman like this is what we really need.
If you think this is what we need I would be concerned. This dude murdered children and instituted a police force that used criminals who abused their power and oppressed the people. He genuinely was a yellow lantern the most powerful yellow lantern because he inspired so much fear in people. We are not wrong about dictator Superman he is evil and a terrible person.
@@Venxous At least he gets results instead of keeping up with an endless loop of violence that keeps criminals escaping to kill more people and help no one really to reform. I worry with those who say otherwise.
@@XHero220 How does a dictator get results? By killing people to put fear in the survivors. So the "results" you claim come at a cost. In the 20th century alone: Mao Zedong (49-78M deaths) Jozef Stalin (23M deaths) Adolf Hitler (17M deaths) Ismail Enver Pasha (2.5M deaths) (the word genocide was coined because of him) We fought World War 2 to stop Hitler costing 10s of millions more lives. How many innocent civilians did Superman kill to become dictator?
@@AnAverageGoblin You can like the other Superman but you can not like the Injustice Superman because he is actually doing the things that need to be done to bring peace and get results.
except Omniman doesn't character assassinate an icon to make him edgy for the sake of a mid fighting game and subpar comic. Omniman has a thing past being edgy superman, Injustice Superman is just edgy and past surface level bs he has nothing else. *cool
I guess you haven’t got to the part of Invincible where Omni-Man realizes *he’s* the asshole. Y’see there’s this thing that interesting literary characters go through called an *arc*. They change; usually if good writers are behind them, the readers end up liking the character even more. Omni-Man has an interesting arc. He goes from ruthless imperialist, fully believing in the Viltrumite cause, to freedom fighter and protector of lesser species. His son inspires the change in him, as proof that his abilities can be used to help and defend others rather than oppress them. Injustice Superman has a weak arc. He goes from mild control freak to irredeemable monster over a situation that his mainstream counterpart canonically did not mentally break in response to. Twice. Beyond that, Injustice Superman refuses to change, no matter how many times he gets told that what he’s doing makes no sense for him and that nobody he claims to care about would approve of his actions.
@@brendonwallace6640 Yeah I highly doubt that. watching youtube complications of Omni-man isn't watching the series. "Try again bro" and this time actually pay attention.
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Tom Taylor mentioned that Superman would never be that superman in Injustice. I think they changed him like they changed Wonder Woman for the sake of the story.
Yeah. The correct take on a Superman that deals with the loss of his love and the aftermath has already been done. It’s called Kingdom Come. Lois and the Daily Planet are all gassed by the Joker, but Superman never becomes a dictator, and even in his grief, fights *against* “superheroes” who embrace more violent and extreme methods like murder.
@@donovanlarsen7982 In Injustice superman was the gun like he said to Bruce. He thought he fought Doomsday but it was Lois and she died because of that, and his unborn child died as well as Metropolis also previously he finds Jimmy's body showing signs of being murdered by the Joker.
So when Superman confronts Joker he is still not calm from all the heartache and Joker keeps reminding Clark of his failures so he can't think straigt and the final straw is him making fun of Lois and his unborn child that he wonders that he can't protect his next family like he couldn't with Lois.
After killing the Joker Superman seeks out Bruce for a friend but doesn't get any support so he goes to Wonder Woman who guides him to all the wrong actions.
In the Injustice comics there are scenes where Clark thinks of backing down but Wonder Woman is there to shut down those thoughts.
@@donovanlarsen7982 He also builds a gulag to imprison the rogue meta humans against their will.
But yeah, his handling of the Joker’s murder spree in Kingdom Come is a much better representation of his character. Throughout it all, he never considered killing Joker to be an option; he is even outraged when Magog finally does it. And he becomes devastated when the public sides with Magog’s newer, more violent approach to heroism. Sure he goes into exile for ten years, but he still comes back to save humanity when things get too extreme. And as flawed as Superman’s approach is, it stems out of a desire to preserve the sanctity of life and protect the innocent.
@@matiasjauhojarvi9551 I disagree about Bruce's part. Even if he had given Clark support it wouldn't make anything better. He had already begun to impose his non tolerance approach in the world (an action that result in his father being kidnapped by the USA goverment). When Clark went to Bruce, he wasn't looking for a friend to help him find his way. He was looking for "yes friend", someone to feed on his frail ego. Sure, Bruce may have been bit harsh, but he wasn't wrong at point out his mistake, which Clark immediatly rejected, saying that "the joker deserved to die" and that "his actions saved people that Bruce would let die".
This is the thing about Injustice Superman: Bc of what Joker did to him, the guilt he feels for Lois's death, Clark is unable to accept his failures, choosing instead to blame others for his problems and lash out (something Wonder Woman made it worse). He claims he wants to make the world better for all, but in reality he's just doing for himself, killing anyone who can make him feel like a failure.
I thought kingdom come did a much better take on what if the Joker killed Lois
Fun fact: mainstream DC put Superman through the mental anguish of losing Lois. Twice. The first time was with the Joker, the second time was with Manchester Black.
The one involving the Joker had him gravely poison Lois. The only way for Superman to save Lois was to create an anti-serum from Joker’s antibodies or something, but the process would kill the Joker. Superman had to either kill the Joker to save Lois or let Lois die so the Joker could live. In the end Superman let Lois die because she didn’t want him to compromise his moral code and become a killer. Although she came back to life a few moments later and it was revealed that the poison was not meant to be fatal after all. It was a sick joke all along meant to attempt to break Superman. But it didn’t.
The second situation involved Manchester Black after the events of “What’s So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way?”. Black escapes from prison, finds out Superman’s secret identity, and marks everyone Clark has ever known or saved for death, going with Lois as his ultimate target. Black creates an illusion with his telepathy making it look like he killed Lois long before he made his announcement to kill everybody else. He then attempts to goad Superman into killing him. And Superman refuses to do it. This ends up breaking Black mentally because he realizes that Superman’s belief about the sanctity of all life was sincere. He then drops the illusion and reveals Lois was fine all along. Then Black kills himself.
I think Injustice 1 was great but IT ONLY WORKS as a stand alone entry & ONLY as a paralel Universe, Not worth of being continued 😑
But it has been continued though.
@@trevturp6891 that's WHAT I'M COMPLAINING, it shouldn't had to be continue
"Superman would be a crazy dictator if lois died" is the same shit tier take as "Batman would beat anyone with enough prep time"
both misunderstand the appeal of and the entire character part of those two characters, and both are constantly regurgitated by people who only read comics because they're trendy and not because they actually like them.
I feel like a closer comparison is “If batman killed once he’ll just kill everyone”.
I fucking hate that being the reason for his no kill rule, i much prefer the “life is sacred, so i must not take a life”
@@mahmoudsalaheddine8358yes! I’ve never heard someone else complain about it but it drives me insane!
(My frustrations with it literally spawned my own superhero world years ago lol)
The Batman would beat anyone with prep time is so infuriating to me. The idea was originated from and popularized with the Tower of Babel story, but that completely misunderstood the story. Batman had a contingency plan in the Tower of Babel because he was a leader of the justice league, and fellow leaguers came to trust him and share with him their vulnerabilities to grow closer to Batman as both a colleague and a friend. However, Batman betrayed that trust by not only keeping a plan to defeat them without their knowledge, but also exploiting the things they share with him during their conversations, and reflections. For example, Kyle Rayner said to Batman that his power requires his sight to manifest, and he is also powerful because his eyes allow him to see creative possibility in the world, so Batman's plan blinded him. Therefore, it was not a story about Batman capable of defeating the league, but about his paranoia and self-destructive behaviours pushes away the people closest to him.
I think Injustice is meant to be an elseworld. Meant to contrast the prime Superman and shows why he’s such an important hero. At least that’s my take
But the story treats it as if it could easily happen in the mainline comics. That's the worst part
@@Smashboi76 that's fair
I think that's the point, especially in the second game where they imply that It was Wonder Woman's extremist worrier mentality that caused him to go off of the deep end. It's kind of a groupthink concept.
It literally says so at the beginning of the game.
It literally says so at the beginning of the game.
Never forget kids, corps is pronounced "core". Jokes aside, I'm glad someone else agrees with me. People have become so brainrotted by the multitude of evil clones and "absolute power corrupts absolutely" that they are incapable of believing in absolute good and call it lazy writing
This channel is gna blow up soon. Great editing and i like the topics you cover. But yeah your points are why our superman prime earth superman, wouldnt become injustice superman. But thats the entire point. Ultraman and injustice superman are their own characters in their own timelines in their own universes
I agree, Injustice interpretation sucked. I know it's elseworlds/alt universe, but it was still pretty bad. The motivations made no sense, and everyone acted nonsensical.
It just dumped on characters for the sake of 'cool scenes' and 'wild what if' that werent actually cool and very overdone
My current favorite Superman has to be the “my adventures with Superman” one, it is such a refreshing take on the character after all of the “evil Supermans” and gritty takes on superheroes in general.
Too bad that show has a garbage artstyle
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I got that reference
Batman said that to Owlman
Thats what it was.
Loved that character.
Injustice is 1 of infinite parallel universes, we know regular Superman or Supermen would never act like that. He's just 1 of infinite versions, just like the good Lex Luthor is nothing like regular Lex.
doesn't justify terrible story telling and a non-existent understanding of a famous character. Red Sun is a bad superman done right. Injustice is edgy nonsense that gets a pass because its an elseworld story when thats an excuse for being badly written.
No Superman raised by Ma and Pa Kent would behave like that. That just doesn't happen.
There's been so many "Evil Superman" and evil superheroes in general recently that it's become a breath of fresh air when a hero is just objectively and subjectively a GOOD PERSON who wants to do GOOD for SELFLESS reasons, and manages it, instead of going down an evil route anyway.
I know Injustice gets a bad rep from people who love Superman, I get it I love Superman too.
But in the first Injustice game, we get to play as the "True Superman", coming over from the main timeline to save this broken world.
But I've always seen this story as a Batman story, not a Superman story. The 2 different Batmen being 2 different classical versions of Batman, that are in contrast to each other. One Bruce trusting in his friend Clark who always does the right thing. The other has been hardened by too many losses, And struggles to trust anyone. But he has to learn to trust again because Batman does whatever it takes to save the day.
And then Injustice 2 is clearly a Supergirl story. Even if our heroes fail to live up to expectations, Even if good people turn to evil, there will always be new people willing to stand up and fight for what's right. So in the Injustice universe Supergirl is the symbol of incorruptible good.
great vid one suggestion lower the background music it’s a bit distracting
One thing that makes me so mad is that Batman picks and chooses who he wants to hold accountable. Superman should be held accountable to a greater extent because of who he is and what he symbolizes, yes. But then he has Harley Quinn on his team who is responsible for the deaths of thousands of people, one of his friends, and future God child. They say that she’s going to be held accountable and then they just don’t do that. Somehow the flash is in a cell, but she isn’t. Would Batman be OK with Superman hanging out with Joe Chill? Batman is also horrible. That whole universe just doesn’t make any sense.
Despite the 2021 animated film not being good as well, I will say it is by far the least offensive Injustice content we have.
Superman a little merit to becoming a dictator yet doesn’t become a crazed tyrant (yes tyrants and dictators aren’t exactly the same) and Diana actually has restraint despite (I believe) this being the same continuity where Steve Trevor, the man she loved dearly, turned out to be a Nazi spy, which then Diana promptly decapitates him.
There are still many flaws with the movie such as Flash being killed off and when Superman lasers a bunch of Gen-Z party goers (which why are there teenagers celebrating the Joker? Like seriously…WHY? The Joker is quite possibly the worst terrorist in the history of DC. I refuse to believe anyone would be sad about Joker being put down, aside from maybe Harley).
Back to the point: There’s pretty much no reason why the movie is the most hated part of Injustice as it actually tried to make Superman, Wonder Woman along with any other regime members redeemable instead of simply being diabolical warlords.
Wow, you're naive in the last part. A lot of people today worship Hitler. Neo-n@zi ideology is widely spread around the world. Teenagers will do anything to oppose their parents/society, etc.
You really think there won't be Joker supporters?
Why people celebrate joker? Well considering there are people who support Nazism even till now, is it any surprising?
Smallville Superman is my favorite
Superman is the real villain not Batman
Truly, the story this video is about was... an Injustice.
Yeah, I'm with ya. Never liked the idea that Superman was just 1 bad day away from losing it. Imo the only way I could see Superman losing hope to this degree would be if there was a way that he was being dosed with fear toxin while in a marginally weakened state.
Then the writers could play off of how powerful fear of something can be if you let it in you like a constant poison. Which is much more allegorical.
I disagree with your point in this video. I don't think there is anything wrong with how Injustice portrayed him. I don't think there is anything wrong with inverting a character's whole personality or morality if its just for the sake of what is practically a "what if" universe. Injustice was just a fun little side comic/game/animated movie. The consequences of everybody in the story and their actions doesn't affect the overall continuity and it doesn't stain his character. I think it was really fun and exciting to see him in this light. It may not be "Superman" by most people's definitions but it was never meant to be.
I think that all of this would’ve been a different story if Batman had talked talk to Clark. His father even said you should’ve been there for him and Bruce admitted that. I think if anyone could’ve convinced Superman to turn himself in for killing the Joker it would’ve been Batman. He just turned his back on him when he was at his lowest. It’s even worse because Batman almost did the same thing. When Damien was killed, he almost killed the heretic. It wasn’t until he saw that the heretic was a clone of Damien that he stopped nearly beating him to death.
I would have to say Tomassi's Rebirth run on Superman was one of my favorites, and the new Superman anime. Honorable mention to Superman: Unchained as well.
"I've done a lot of things I thought I'd never do these last two years. One more won't hurt."
- Superman
I wonder what it says about things that there is a drive, a will, and want to continuously tell stories of beacons of hope who choose to try and be better, turned into dark omens of doom. Isn't the world dystopian enough as it is?
Why do people not like this video? It's pretty a'ight imo
And Same Superman who murked Goku 3 times
I don't really know why they keep doing it, if they stated that Supermans power is infinite, cause he held the half of some book with infinite mass.
Goku never had cheats like that, his speed, power, etc. have always been limited values
They got all videos horribly wrong eith every single one of their facts and scaling. Although the outcome is correct, the way they got there was a disgrace to the original characters. Plus they downplayed both of them so badly and used outliers as feats that weren't even good feats if taken seriously.
The Book feat is literally one of the weakest feats in that Final Crisis comic issue and thr book is also not Infinite in the Spacial sense but it's Infinite in the fact that it contains all of the stories and memories of all of the characters in Limbo and its author is a dead monkey.
Limbo being a Transcendental realm that exists above the God Sphere where all lost and forgotten stories go to once erased or forgotten by the Collective Unconscious.
Superman literally pulls off far greater feats in that issue and there's other issues and stories that make that High Outerversal, Boom Tube amped Superman look like absolute fodder.
If anything Superman's the STRONGEST possible BLUE lantern. Period.
I had a massive problem with him doing Joker like that too - then Billy, and all the senseless deaths that he just would NEVER undertake. He has the strength no doubt; it's not infeasible, at all... it's just NOT who Clark Kent is. Or would EVER choose to be. It's one reason other than the fact I suck at fighting games, I never got into Injustice.
This incarnation is more in line with some of the one shots in the bronze age comics where the characters weren't as Iconic, and had more leeway to be shaped. So batman and Superman were often presented as dickish, to actual tyrants in Superman's case at at least one point.
* Not only that; Apocalypse War put to bed the notion that Green Kryptonite is at all lethal to him - he had it TATTOOED into his chest for a freaking YEAR and all it did was turn him into probably still slightly enhanced for a human. Considering he held his own pretty well with nerfed abilities. (They weren't ALL gone, or he'd have been dead in the battles, but he was pretty nuked from what he should be, which was kind of the point)
** Very technical point: The thing "closest to him" (in the literal physiological sense) is either his cousin Kara or Diana. Now most don't like the concept of him pairing with Kara - duh, family, but Diana's never been a bad pairing for equal rank. His focus on Lois is Iconic, but that's more about tradition. If he actually wanted a true equal; Diana's the better love interest. They chose Lois to ground him more to humanity, rather than being the god he factually IS - whether DC will ever fuck off and just admit it or not - and frankly I think Lana suited him better as the farm boy, rather than trying to make Clark get modern minded as the city folk. But that's just me.
You know, a lot of people talk about evil supermans when they already existed in DC, not just Ultraman but other DC evil supermans.
8:17-8:23 Heh, Crisis in 2 Earth Batman vs Owlman
I like your humility. Nice video
Am I the only person who thinks Superman shouldn’t b able to kill Shazam as easily as he does Joker, Green Arrow n Lex Luthor I can understand those guys but not Shazam especially when he has his powers going on bcuz 1 of his powers is god tear invulnerability he should b nigh indestructible especially since he’s magic n Superman frequently has trouble with magic he shouldn’t even b able to hurt him in his god form much less b able to kill him
Superman definitely can hurt Billy.
Magic doesn't stop Superman from hurting you,it just makes it easier for you to hurt him.
Superman has more raw power than Billy,especially current,main line Superman.
Sure you cam argue that he shouldn't have been able to kill him without a fight,but you can't argue against him being able to hurt him.
@@thelonesurvivor3955 clearly u didn’t catch my statement about Billy (Shazam) having god tear invulnerability Superman is powerful n always will b unless some douche bag writes Superman to b a total pussy in the near future but he is just an alien as supposed to mystical gods (Greek Olympians) he has a better chance of resisting Darkseid’s omega beams based on his power of invulnerability yet they’re going to have Superman kill him via heat vision that wouldn’t even give him a sun burn much less any serious injury he already has strength that rivals Superman, speed that arguably rivals the Flash n above all else he has the power of Zeus which he can use to amp up any 1 or all of his abilities sorry but Superman isn’t hurting Shazam much less killing him especially when he’s in his hero form
You like Superman so much you can't see the reality.
He's in love with Lois, and when she becomes pregnant she becomes the most important thing in the world for him. Nothing else matters in comparison to her and his child in her. And when Joker makes him kill them, superman starts to think what did he do wrong, what should have he done to prevent this. And the answer was simple: he needed to be the "orderly of the forest". As the wolves kill sick animals in the forest, preventing the spread of the disease, he kills villains before they killed even more people than before. And after he crosses the line one time this faschist logic makes him go deeper and deeper
I never ONCE believed that Superman woudl trnasform into the Injustice version. The story is great, but hah man was NEVER superman
It’s almost like the injustice game wants to make Superman into this version of Pime-El aka Superboy Prime but much better written n a bit more mature sorta speak
Thank u god damn somebody got it right
its an alternate universe lol wtf are you talking about
doesn't justify bad writing.
@@AnAverageGoblin it's a reimagining.. superman isn't objectively anything lol it can be whatever they want it to be.. you can say its bad but saying its bad cuz they don't understand superman is dumb af xD
@@meacham723 Superman Red Sun is an example of a "bad superman" idea where they still understand the core of the character. Communist Dictator Superman is completely different than normal Superman, but still FEELS like Superman even though he's nothing like him.
@@AnAverageGoblinExactly. Because at his core, he wants to help and protect people from harm. And at the end, when he takes his desire to extreme lengths, he realizes that he’s gone too far and abandons his mission.
@@MrPjw5 Yup.
Injustice Superman is something I fee like most people don't understand because it answers what if we are wrong about dictator Superman what if Superman like this is what we really need.
If you think this is what we need I would be concerned. This dude murdered children and instituted a police force that used criminals who abused their power and oppressed the people. He genuinely was a yellow lantern the most powerful yellow lantern because he inspired so much fear in people. We are not wrong about dictator Superman he is evil and a terrible person.
@@Venxous At least he gets results instead of keeping up with an endless loop of violence that keeps criminals escaping to kill more people and help no one really to reform. I worry with those who say otherwise.
@@XHero220 How does a dictator get results? By killing people to put fear in the survivors. So the "results" you claim come at a cost. In the 20th century alone:
Mao Zedong (49-78M deaths)
Jozef Stalin (23M deaths)
Adolf Hitler (17M deaths)
Ismail Enver Pasha (2.5M deaths) (the word genocide was coined because of him)
We fought World War 2 to stop Hitler costing 10s of millions more lives.
How many innocent civilians did Superman kill to become dictator?
I've never read such an idiotic comment. you're def one of those people that sees Supes for his superpowers and not the power of his character.
@@AnAverageGoblin You can like the other Superman but you can not like the Injustice Superman because he is actually doing the things that need to be done to bring peace and get results.
Evil over the top brutal gruesome Superman is kool idc what yall say it’s why we love people like Omni man
except Omniman doesn't character assassinate an icon to make him edgy for the sake of a mid fighting game and subpar comic. Omniman has a thing past being edgy superman, Injustice Superman is just edgy and past surface level bs he has nothing else.
*cool
I guess you haven’t got to the part of Invincible where Omni-Man realizes *he’s* the asshole.
Y’see there’s this thing that interesting literary characters go through called an *arc*. They change; usually if good writers are behind them, the readers end up liking the character even more.
Omni-Man has an interesting arc. He goes from ruthless imperialist, fully believing in the Viltrumite cause, to freedom fighter and protector of lesser species. His son inspires the change in him, as proof that his abilities can be used to help and defend others rather than oppress them.
Injustice Superman has a weak arc. He goes from mild control freak to irredeemable monster over a situation that his mainstream counterpart canonically did not mentally break in response to. Twice.
Beyond that, Injustice Superman refuses to change, no matter how many times he gets told that what he’s doing makes no sense for him and that nobody he claims to care about would approve of his actions.
@@MrPjw5 I bet he just watched until Omni-Man tore apart the guardians and then just pretended to watch the actual show play out after it
@@AnAverageGoblin try again bro I watched the whole series doofus
@@brendonwallace6640 Yeah I highly doubt that. watching youtube complications of Omni-man isn't watching the series.
"Try again bro" and this time actually pay attention.