This is why I love Tegan. She sussed Turlough out from the start and wasn't taking any of his shit. She might bicker and argue with the Doctor but she always has his back.
Tegan annoys me. Which is a shame, because I *want* to like her. I find her character, on paper, to be compelling. But something about her puts my teeth on edge.
The writer thought Nyssa would still be in her velvet costume when he wrote her taking off clothing, he apologised to Sarah Sutton in the the commentary.
The actress who plays Kari (the woman with the 80's big hair and the cape) is actress Liza Goddard who i knew as Clancy Merrick from the 1960's australian kids show "Skippy: The Bush Kangaroo" she was also in real life married to Colin Baker who will become the future Sixth Doctor.
And possibly helped get him sacked since she lived with Michael Grade for a time (possible relationship) and Michael was responsible for getting Colin sacked, maybe cos he was her ex. Supposition I know but it was known that Grade didn't like Colin and these things are usually about a woman so I could believe it.
The Vanir are Norse deities and the Garm (Garmr) was a wolf-giant that guarded the gates to Helheim. The guards are also named after figures from Norse Mythology or history. Fun fact, Gallagher originally named Kari as Yoni but then script editor vetoed as he was aware of the meaning in Sanskrit. The Terminus Vanir wore helmets designed to look like the Sutton Hoo helm (found at the Anglo Saxon ship burial excavation) and the body armour was supposed to look like the human muscles without the skin. Their drug "hydromel" literally means "honey water" so is probably a reference to mead, a brew often mentioned in Norse Mythology. This is a very grim story. Most people only remember it for [redacted] and the "funny looking" dog.
In New Who, when the trailer for Flux aired and we saw Karvanista for the first time, a lot of us were saying "IS THAT THE GARM?!" because they have the same moustache. It was not the Garm. But I like Karvanista anyway.
I met and got autograph of Sarah Sutton, in 1987, in Cincinnati, Ohio. There was a tour of DW props, and the car Bessie often to PBS stations that showed Who. I was 18, going off to college. I went to the "convention" dressed as the Second Doctor (and at my Ohio college met a friend, in a Scottish cultural group, we learned to play Bagpipes - she remembered
Haven't seen this in years, all I remembered was Tegan and Turlough in the vents and Olvir's hilarious cliffhanger scream. Now I know it because of "Keith" - time for a Keith break!
So, I used to do a Doctor Who podcast called 'Terminus' (RIP, I'll try to revive it sometime) -- which was half-named for this story and half-named after one of the early names for Atlanta (where I live). It's not actually one of my faves, I just liked the Atlanta connection (and having the whole 'WE'RE ON A LEPER SHIP, WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIEEEEE' in my podcast opening), but because I was a Doctor Who podcaster with a show called 'Terminus', I was often invited onto other people's shows to talk about this story. Anyway, because of that, I've gotten to know the plot quite well. And with that, it's really begun to grow on me over time, especially when you deep dive into the Norse Mythology elements. Which as a mythology nerd, I'm TOTALLY here for. (I also think it's a great Nyssa story, who is my fave companion with Fivey, so there's that too). Anyway, this story has definitely become sentimental to me, so it's always nice to revisit. Plus, I love the Garm and just want to cuddle him, always. #gooddog
I used to listen to your podcast!!! It was a good one! At the time there were So Many Dr. Who podcasts I spent many hours going from one to another while at work! Good times!!
@@BernardJKD OMG, THANKS SO MUCH -- That REALLY made my day! But yeah, I kinda just got burnt out and started to really dislike the new series after Capaldi left (and honestly haven't summoned much love for the show since). So, I didn't want episodes that were nothing but me complaining the whole time, so I stopped. Still, there's TONS of other Doctor Who stories to talk about, so I do consider reviving the podcast every now and then. Either way, glad to know someone was listening and enjoying it! (I always thought I was mostly talking to no one -- LOL) ♥♥
@@Skeezer66 YAYS, THANKS SO MUCH! Yeah, back then I wasn't only making my own show, but I was listening to a ton of other Doctor Who podcasts too, as well as guesting on several! It was a bit of a 'golden age' of Doctor Who podcasts, IMO. Good times! I do miss it. ❤
Lifting from Norse mythology, the Garm was a dog that guarded the world of the dead (handily known as Hel). It's played by Canadian R.J. Bell, whose biggest credit that year would be in 'Superman III'. And of course he's the bestest boy.
I like the roomy space helmets in this story too. Perfect for big 1980's hair. Unfortunately they tended to immediately fog up from the actor's breath, so they don't get worn for too long. While Tegan didn't contract Lazar's disease when she was grabbed by the arms in episode one, her boobs were accidentally exposed during filming when her crop top was unintentionally pulled down by one of those grabbing appendages. If they had left that in, Nyssa taking off her skirt when she gets feverish, considered controversial at the time, would have seemed much tamer in comparison.😂
Turlough is one of the most interesting companions in the whole series. He's got a mysterious past and there to kill the Doctor but reluctant to do so. There have been a lot of great companions but Turlough really is the most complicated.
Stephen Gallagher's second Dr Who story (after 'Warrior's Gate') falls firmly into the category of 'How did that get made?' With sets not built right, recording issues and bad lighting and much more besides, it's a wonder it ever made it to screen. Perhaps it should have been called 'The Dark Ages'! Doctor Who always suffered from a pressing schedule (even as late as this, the studio lights got switched off at 10 pm - sometimes if they were recording!). In later interviews, Peter Davison recalled an occasion when they had no time to rehearse and block and he just had to go on and say the lines. It's hard to think it didn't occur during this story. Mind you, he had the talent to pull it off. And he can wedge a chair in a doorway like anything!
This is one of my favourite stories it was written by Stephen Gallagher who also wrote warriors gate and has lots of sci fi versions of Nordic Mythology.
I love this story but especially the funereal atmosphere, sound effects and themes of the first episode. Others have mentioned Liza Goddard. She also starred in the last couple of seasons of the 1970s drama The Brothers alongside Colin Baker and your friendly Concorde flying Captain Stapley. Her role as Kari was originally offered to Twiggy. This story marks the beginning of the impacts of a BBC strike which will resonate through the rest of the season. There were technical difficulties and an mis-built set. The result was that some scenes had to be recorded on improperly-lit sets, production ran seriously late, and several scenes were taped hastily. Peter Davison also has a very bad cold. I hope he didn’t take an aspirin.
The Woman who is the Pirate/Raider, portrayed by Liza Goddard, was the first wife of Colin Baker,....whom we've seen "recent" and we know will be a near future Doctor. British acting opportunities, relations.
I love this story. It gets a lot of unfair criticism but it’s full of interesting ideas. Turlough is also an interesting companion with a difference. There’s a strange eerie atmosphere in part one with those sound effects. As a child at the time I remember finding it scary. Sadly modern Who lacks this eerie quality. Valentine Dyall is superb as the Black guardian. Great reactions.
This story is a little grim but it's still pretty good.Turlough adds a different dynamic to the TARDIS team and plenty of "fuckerry" 😂 Nice reaction Jess and an even nicer look!!! 😍
That guy yelling at the end of ep. 1 is iconic!! It really sells the danger. This era does the best of seeing the companions living quarters, so it feels more like a home. The Black Guardian doesn't overstay his welcome, but it comes close! LOL!! I always thought since Tegan is from Earth, she has a higher resistance to this disease than Nyssa and everyone else. I loved the use of Norse mythology!!
Maybe it's just my coffee I just had, but I just can't wait to see Sesska's reaction tomorrow to the giant dog Garm and of course Nyssa's departure. And then there's the next two weeks with one of the best Fifth Doctor stories and the fabulous Captain Wrack.
The 2 Space Pirates and their hairdos always make me think of 80s pop and rock stars! In particular Roxette. I guess cause the guy kinda has the same hair as the guitarist. I like the design idea of The Garm, but it doesn't look terribly realistic. I wonder how cool he would look with today's practical effects, like done by Jim Henson people that did Farscape puppets and alien designs.
In a bit of an indictment of the times, the production office received letters complaining that Nyssa was far too 'covered up'. But the answer back then was actually the actress's own decision to drop her skirt. And of course certain transparencies are already leaving not too much to the imagination (something which had also been noticeable in one rat-infested scene with Leela). These are not just nerds - they're thirsty nerds...
20:21 Just like Ketracel White for the Jemhadar in Star Trek. The stuff was an enzyme they need to stay alive, and their masters made them like that to keep them obedient.
Interesting trivia here. The female space pirate is played by a woman called Liza Goddard who was married to Colin Baker from 1976 to 1978. And it's rumoured she had a relationship with Michael Grade who was the controller of the BBC during the 80s who was responsible for trying to get the show itself cancelled since he hated it and for getting Colin sacked from the show when it continued on. He didn't like Colin and she may or may not have played a part in his dislike of the actor and therefore been partly responsible for his eventual removal.
I think this is the first DW story to be directed by a woman (Mary Ridge) and the next story is the first (and maybe only) story to be written and directed by women.
I say Seska this story is a definite improvement on the last one which was a mess, and also the Black guardian Keith as he is named is awesome in billions of ways and Turlough is gradually getting his part together.
This could have been really good if it had been realised better. Improve cotumes, get rid of the screechy Roger Limb music for a start then show the Garm only fleetingly
Probably the story I appreciate the least from this season -- I think if it were 3 episodes, not 4, I would be happier with it. There are interesting elements to the story, but the story as a whole doesn't entirely hold my interest the same as the rest.
I gather this story isn't super popular, but I quite like it. It's a bit slower pace than most, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, and I find the plot/mystery fairly engaging. Mostly, I found the tone and atmosphere quite effective.
Oddly, I don't remember the plot of this story at all. I know I've watched it, I remember Turlough working for the Black Guardian, and I remember how it ends, but these first couple of parts? No idea.
thankfully she has already seen what comes ahead, as it is normally best NOT to say anything beyond the video itself. Saying too much spoils things. Why don't people understand this?
Not only that Janet & Mark's costumes were ripped to shreds in that set and had to get back ups. Not to mention their poor hands and knees! Plus, they filmed at Ealing rather than TVC, so really were separated from the rest of the cast.
I’ve always thought this one was rather unfairly labelled as a failure. Sure it’s not great, but there’s enough of interest going in to make it watchable. I know the sets were unfinished and production a nightmare but in a funny way it does kind of suit the whole ramshackle, decaying feel of the ship and the people on it. But yeah, most people remember it for the Garm and for Nyssa dropping her skirt
A very flawed story, but the first episode does have some nicely creepy atmosphere. One of those that needed more work done to the script, and different choices by the production team.
This was the episode I dreaded. I found it dull and awkward when I first watched it over 5 years ago. In fact, I only rewatched it this morning for this reaction. If it wasn't for thefact it was the middle part of the Black Guardian Trilogy I'd say it would be forgotten. As on a refreshed view there's a few good things. Nyssa being the focus and the suspense of the Lazar reveal works well but my God the Raider costumes are ridiculous, and having Tegan and Turlough in a vent for one episode really break my focus. Some elements of the story clearly weren't thought out.
This is my least favorite 5th Doctor story. It's a good story, but the atmosphere is incredibly grim. But since it's an allegory for the 1980's AIDS crisis, that's to be expected. But the main reason for my dislike is to come in part 4. And those who have seen it know what it is. Bits of trivia to lighten the mood: Liza Goddard was married to the Sixth Doctor, Colin Baker, from 1976-78; Andrew Burt, who plays Valgard, appeared as Inspector Oates in Peter Davison's 1988-90 detective series Campion.
Sorry to say this is on par with underworld as the most boring stories in doctor who history.i enjoy most doctor who stories but l struggle to get through this serial
Oh gosh this story i don’t care for. Absolutely bland, but this was another story i remember getting at my local charity shop along the the next story Enlightenment
I love how this era makes use of the Tardis' rooms.
Really, the only era of the show that fully utilized the TARDIS as a location for stories unto itself.
@@ericreese7792 I feel like the Smith era made good use out of the TARDIS as a location - but still, not as much as this era.
This is why I love Tegan. She sussed Turlough out from the start and wasn't taking any of his shit. She might bicker and argue with the Doctor but she always has his back.
Tegan annoys me. Which is a shame, because I *want* to like her. I find her character, on paper, to be compelling. But something about her puts my teeth on edge.
@@benlowe1701Turlough is an OK guy .in the end
Turlough isn't a bad person though . He has issues which we see next series 😢
I had my 1st sex dressed as Turlough in my old school uniform
@@cobaltmale spoilers sweetie
Find someone who looks at you how Turlough looks at that Black Guardian crystal
Find someone who looks at you how the Vanir look at their doses of Hydromel
The writer thought Nyssa would still be in her velvet costume when he wrote her taking off clothing, he apologised to Sarah Sutton in the the commentary.
"We're all going to diiiiiiie!"
(*jazz hands Sesska*)
-- this is why this is the best Doctor Who reaction channel by far.
Love the ‘Liz Shaw’ look on you
A very cozy, autumnal, look.
The actress who plays Kari (the woman with the 80's big hair and the cape) is actress Liza Goddard who i knew as Clancy Merrick from the 1960's australian kids show "Skippy: The Bush Kangaroo" she was also in real life married to Colin Baker who will become the future Sixth Doctor.
And possibly helped get him sacked since she lived with Michael Grade for a time (possible relationship) and Michael was responsible for getting Colin sacked, maybe cos he was her ex. Supposition I know but it was known that Grade didn't like Colin and these things are usually about a woman so I could believe it.
The Vanir are Norse deities and the Garm (Garmr) was a wolf-giant that guarded the gates to Helheim. The guards are also named after figures from Norse Mythology or history. Fun fact, Gallagher originally named Kari as Yoni but then script editor vetoed as he was aware of the meaning in Sanskrit.
The Terminus Vanir wore helmets designed to look like the Sutton Hoo helm (found at the Anglo Saxon ship burial excavation) and the body armour was supposed to look like the human muscles without the skin.
Their drug "hydromel" literally means "honey water" so is probably a reference to mead, a brew often mentioned in Norse Mythology.
This is a very grim story. Most people only remember it for [redacted] and the "funny looking" dog.
In New Who, when the trailer for Flux aired and we saw Karvanista for the first time, a lot of us were saying "IS THAT THE GARM?!" because they have the same moustache.
It was not the Garm. But I like Karvanista anyway.
I love this series of stories and how well tied together this is with the previous one, and how Turlough is used in both of them.
I love that you can hear a short extract from the Alzarius theme when they mention Adric
I met and got autograph of Sarah Sutton, in 1987, in Cincinnati, Ohio. There was a tour of DW props, and the car Bessie often to PBS stations that showed Who. I was 18, going off to college. I went to the "convention" dressed as the Second Doctor (and at my Ohio college met a friend, in a Scottish cultural group, we learned to play Bagpipes - she remembered
- seeing me as the 2nd Doctor. I had a "crush" on Sarah Sutton, after seeing her episodes -so, glad to meet and sign. 🙃
Is Sesska dressed as a Terminus lazar patient?
Davison throwing the chair at the door has become a legend in itself.
or a mutoid?
@@simoncolenutt5228there's no mutoids in this story
@@BernardJKD spoilers
@@BernardJKD Mutoids are in another sci-fi series which Seska might not yet, have seen and reacted to so no spoilers honey.
@@EltonlalehamI never mentioned them
I love Terminus. This episode is probably the main reason I completely fell for Nyssa when I was 13.
Nyssa had me at Keeper of Traken :)🥰
Haven't seen this in years, all I remembered was Tegan and Turlough in the vents and Olvir's hilarious cliffhanger scream.
Now I know it because of "Keith" - time for a Keith break!
So, I used to do a Doctor Who podcast called 'Terminus' (RIP, I'll try to revive it sometime) -- which was half-named for this story and half-named after one of the early names for Atlanta (where I live). It's not actually one of my faves, I just liked the Atlanta connection (and having the whole 'WE'RE ON A LEPER SHIP, WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIEEEEE' in my podcast opening), but because I was a Doctor Who podcaster with a show called 'Terminus', I was often invited onto other people's shows to talk about this story.
Anyway, because of that, I've gotten to know the plot quite well. And with that, it's really begun to grow on me over time, especially when you deep dive into the Norse Mythology elements. Which as a mythology nerd, I'm TOTALLY here for. (I also think it's a great Nyssa story, who is my fave companion with Fivey, so there's that too).
Anyway, this story has definitely become sentimental to me, so it's always nice to revisit. Plus, I love the Garm and just want to cuddle him, always. #gooddog
That is a new look for you.
OMG, I LOVED LOVED LOVED your Terminus podcast. Please come back and save us from this RTD madness.
I used to listen to your podcast!!! It was a good one! At the time there were So Many Dr. Who podcasts I spent many hours going from one to another while at work! Good times!!
@@BernardJKD OMG, THANKS SO MUCH -- That REALLY made my day! But yeah, I kinda just got burnt out and started to really dislike the new series after Capaldi left (and honestly haven't summoned much love for the show since). So, I didn't want episodes that were nothing but me complaining the whole time, so I stopped.
Still, there's TONS of other Doctor Who stories to talk about, so I do consider reviving the podcast every now and then.
Either way, glad to know someone was listening and enjoying it! (I always thought I was mostly talking to no one -- LOL) ♥♥
@@Skeezer66 YAYS, THANKS SO MUCH! Yeah, back then I wasn't only making my own show, but I was listening to a ton of other Doctor Who podcasts too, as well as guesting on several! It was a bit of a 'golden age' of Doctor Who podcasts, IMO. Good times! I do miss it. ❤
Lifting from Norse mythology, the Garm was a dog that guarded the world of the dead (handily known as Hel). It's played by Canadian R.J. Bell, whose biggest credit that year would be in 'Superman III'. And of course he's the bestest boy.
I like the roomy space helmets in this story too. Perfect for big 1980's hair. Unfortunately they tended to immediately fog up from the actor's breath, so they don't get worn for too long.
While Tegan didn't contract Lazar's disease when she was grabbed by the arms in episode one, her boobs were accidentally exposed during filming when her crop top was unintentionally pulled down by one of those grabbing appendages. If they had left that in, Nyssa taking off her skirt when she gets feverish, considered controversial at the time, would have seemed much tamer in comparison.😂
"We love Nissa" ❤❤❤❤
*Nyssa
Five's favorite companion.
Turlough is one of the most interesting companions in the whole series. He's got a mysterious past and there to kill the Doctor but reluctant to do so. There have been a lot of great companions but Turlough really is the most complicated.
Stephen Gallagher's second Dr Who story (after 'Warrior's Gate') falls firmly into the category of 'How did that get made?' With sets not built right, recording issues and bad lighting and much more besides, it's a wonder it ever made it to screen. Perhaps it should have been called 'The Dark Ages'! Doctor Who always suffered from a pressing schedule (even as late as this, the studio lights got switched off at 10 pm - sometimes if they were recording!). In later interviews, Peter Davison recalled an occasion when they had no time to rehearse and block and he just had to go on and say the lines. It's hard to think it didn't occur during this story. Mind you, he had the talent to pull it off. And he can wedge a chair in a doorway like anything!
There are a few production issues but the story and concepts are all driving the plot. Entertaining with lots to take away.
This is one of my favourite stories it was written by Stephen Gallagher who also wrote warriors gate and has lots of sci fi versions of Nordic Mythology.
I know the production was plagued by problems, but there's a good - albeit grim - story under there struggling to get out.
I love this story but especially the funereal atmosphere, sound effects and themes of the first episode. Others have mentioned Liza Goddard. She also starred in the last couple of seasons of the 1970s drama The Brothers alongside Colin Baker and your friendly Concorde flying Captain Stapley. Her role as Kari was originally offered to Twiggy. This story marks the beginning of the impacts of a BBC strike which will resonate through the rest of the season. There were technical difficulties and an mis-built set. The result was that some scenes had to be recorded on improperly-lit sets, production ran seriously late, and several scenes were taped hastily. Peter Davison also has a very bad cold. I hope he didn’t take an aspirin.
Fantastic reaction sesska! And I love your hairstyle haha
The Woman who is the Pirate/Raider, portrayed by Liza Goddard, was the first wife of Colin Baker,....whom we've seen "recent" and we know will be a near future Doctor. British acting opportunities, relations.
I love this story. It gets a lot of unfair criticism but it’s full of interesting ideas. Turlough is also an interesting companion with a difference. There’s a strange eerie atmosphere in part one with those sound effects. As a child at the time I remember finding it scary. Sadly modern Who lacks this eerie quality. Valentine Dyall is superb as the Black guardian. Great reactions.
Agreed
The character called Kari played by Liza Goddard was once married to Colin baker the 6th doctor.
Terminus is one of my favorite Peter Davison serials and one of my all time favorite Classic Doctor Who serials.
Tegan and Turlough were an interesting pair. Nice to have some tension and eventually sibling-like spikiness between companions.
You better listen to Keith, Turlough. Don't make Keith angry.
This story is a little grim but it's still pretty good.Turlough adds a different dynamic to the TARDIS team and plenty of "fuckerry" 😂
Nice reaction Jess and an even nicer look!!! 😍
At least Lisa Goddard's hair was protected by the massive space helmet.
Nice cameo by Karvanista's Uncle.
That guy yelling at the end of ep. 1 is iconic!! It really sells the danger. This era does the best of seeing the companions living quarters, so it feels more like a home. The Black Guardian doesn't overstay his welcome, but it comes close! LOL!! I always thought since Tegan is from Earth, she has a higher resistance to this disease than Nyssa and everyone else. I loved the use of Norse mythology!!
A massively underrated story and one of my favourite Davison tales. I love Steve Gallagher's weary and believable characters
Maybe it's just my coffee I just had, but I just can't wait to see Sesska's reaction tomorrow to the giant dog Garm and of course Nyssa's departure. And then there's the next two weeks with one of the best Fifth Doctor stories and the fabulous Captain Wrack.
"We're all going to die!"
That scene reminds me of Mr. Witt shouting out a similar line in Zulu "You're all going to die! Don't you realize?"
Those helmets big, but functional. The most disco Space Pirates ever to be committed to a BBC TV series outside an episode of Blake's 7.
Would love to see her react to Blake's 7!
Mary Ridge had already done Blakes 7
One of my favourite 5th Doctor stories. Some real tension in this one. P.s. Loving the hair!
The Robot that menaces Tegan and Turlough owes a lot to one that menaced 3 in "Colony in Space"🎩
The 2 Space Pirates and their hairdos always make me think of 80s pop and rock stars! In particular Roxette. I guess cause the guy kinda has the same hair as the guitarist.
I like the design idea of The Garm, but it doesn't look terribly realistic. I wonder how cool he would look with today's practical effects, like done by Jim Henson people that did Farscape puppets and alien designs.
Well the 80s pop theme continues in the next story with the inclusion of singer Leee John from Imagination.
In a bit of an indictment of the times, the production office received letters complaining that Nyssa was far too 'covered up'. But the answer back then was actually the actress's own decision to drop her skirt. And of course certain transparencies are already leaving not too much to the imagination (something which had also been noticeable in one rat-infested scene with Leela). These are not just nerds - they're thirsty nerds...
You have reached Terminus! You change your hair-style! Do not take advice from the Black Guardian!
20:21 Just like Ketracel White for the Jemhadar in Star Trek. The stuff was an enzyme they need to stay alive, and their masters made them like that to keep them obedient.
ophidiophobia and claustrophobia triggers. The writers aren't being very kind to you so far this season.
Glad you made a TWD reference to the title, was hoping you would haha
9:20 all the hair metal bands would love helmets like that.
Interesting trivia here. The female space pirate is played by a woman called Liza Goddard who was married to Colin Baker from 1976 to 1978. And it's rumoured she had a relationship with Michael Grade who was the controller of the BBC during the 80s who was responsible for trying to get the show itself cancelled since he hated it and for getting Colin sacked from the show when it continued on. He didn't like Colin and she may or may not have played a part in his dislike of the actor and therefore been partly responsible for his eventual removal.
My Queen 😍u look amazeballs! Have a great weekend 😊
*_WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIIIIIIIIIE!!!_* 🤣😂😂 I laughed too.
I think this is the first DW story to be directed by a woman (Mary Ridge) and the next story is the first (and maybe only) story to be written and directed by women.
@bugsby4663 Paddy Russell was the first, but i think you're right about the director/writer until the Chibnell era
I say Seska this story is a definite improvement on the last one which was a mess, and also the Black guardian Keith as he is named is awesome in billions of ways and Turlough is gradually getting his part together.
The hairstyle though!
You are contaminated. You must self-isolate and distance. What that message was always like
Nyssa is looking very pretty with a change in costume.
..Hmmm, I wonder if this is where the writers for "Star Trek : Deep Space Nine" got the idea for the Jem'Hadar relying on "The White" to survive...?
This could have been really good if it had been realised better. Improve cotumes, get rid of the screechy Roger Limb music for a start then show the Garm only fleetingly
Probably the story I appreciate the least from this season -- I think if it were 3 episodes, not 4, I would be happier with it. There are interesting elements to the story, but the story as a whole doesn't entirely hold my interest the same as the rest.
I gather this story isn't super popular, but I quite like it. It's a bit slower pace than most, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, and I find the plot/mystery fairly engaging. Mostly, I found the tone and atmosphere quite effective.
Oddly, I don't remember the plot of this story at all. I know I've watched it, I remember Turlough working for the Black Guardian, and I remember how it ends, but these first couple of parts? No idea.
This is my favourite of season 20 a nyssa spotlight episode still love a 3 companion doctor stories tegan not in this story a lot
The last story, Mawdryn Undead, this story, Terminus, and the next story, Enlightenment are known as The Black Guardian Trilogy.
thankfully she has already seen what comes ahead, as it is normally best NOT to say anything beyond the video itself. Saying too much spoils things. Why don't people understand this?
I'm sorry, Jess, but I've never seen you with your hair up like that, wearing a hoodie. You look so British right now, lol.
Great Story!!!
I don't think that Nissa and Tegan are particularly well dressed for a leprosy outbreak. And long may it continue.
Not only that Janet & Mark's costumes were ripped to shreds in that set and had to get back ups. Not to mention their poor hands and knees! Plus, they filmed at Ealing rather than TVC, so really were separated from the rest of the cast.
I’ve always thought this one was rather unfairly labelled as a failure. Sure it’s not great, but there’s enough of interest going in to make it watchable. I know the sets were unfinished and production a nightmare but in a funny way it does kind of suit the whole ramshackle, decaying feel of the ship and the people on it.
But yeah, most people remember it for the Garm and for Nyssa dropping her skirt
Tegan is annoying and she is too outspoken, it was a shame in the last story, the villain the black guardian did not meet the Doctor face to face.
A very flawed story, but the first episode does have some nicely creepy atmosphere. One of those that needed more work done to the script, and different choices by the production team.
this episode is even weirder than I remember
This was the episode I dreaded. I found it dull and awkward when I first watched it over 5 years ago. In fact, I only rewatched it this morning for this reaction. If it wasn't for thefact it was the middle part of the Black Guardian Trilogy I'd say it would be forgotten.
As on a refreshed view there's a few good things. Nyssa being the focus and the suspense of the Lazar reveal works well but my God the Raider costumes are ridiculous, and having Tegan and Turlough in a vent for one episode really break my focus. Some elements of the story clearly weren't thought out.
Yep this is my least favourite Davison, Such a boring slog and the music is a screechier version used in Arc of Infinity.
Time-Flight is easily my least favourite Davison story, but this is a fairly close second.
@someguy3752 I agree. There's some things I would like expanded on with this story. But nothing really with Time Flight
@@cameronmonaghan6883 And at least Terminus comes immediately before one of the show's best stories instead of immediately after one.
I always think they "Nyssa is behind the door" would be better if the Doctor hadn't found her yet. Could have added a bit of tension.
Wow you're simply beautiful especially with you're hair up ❤❤❤
3…
Turlough was so suss.
Terminus is a really good story, but I find the dirty atmosphere and plague vibe genuinely gross, so I don't watch this one much.
The Black Guardian was hands down the crappest villain in the show’s history.
About as effective as a chocolate fireguard.
This is my least favorite 5th Doctor story. It's a good story, but the atmosphere is incredibly grim. But since it's an allegory for the 1980's AIDS crisis, that's to be expected. But the main reason for my dislike is to come in part 4. And those who have seen it know what it is.
Bits of trivia to lighten the mood: Liza Goddard was married to the Sixth Doctor, Colin Baker, from 1976-78; Andrew Burt, who plays Valgard, appeared as Inspector Oates in Peter Davison's 1988-90 detective series Campion.
Sorry to say this is on par with underworld as the most boring stories in doctor who history.i enjoy most doctor who stories but l struggle to get through this serial
Honestly, this is one story I have never been able to warm up to. I found it boring.
Oh gosh this story i don’t care for. Absolutely bland, but this was another story i remember getting at my local charity shop along the the next story Enlightenment
Terminus is, once again, even in this condensed form, boring the arse off me.