No. He's speaking that absolute truth. Any soldier or security forces know exactly how professional, cunning and dangerous South Armagh Pira were. No dramas admitting that by any one of them
Problem with that is one of the people who shot the workers is a suspected British agent - also responsible for the 3 Scottish soldiers killed. Ex-Paratrooper to boot. I'm sure Alan Black has stated that he knows he won't get justice because of that/collusion.
@@johnbush6901 no sweat mate, just like when the UVF shot a catholic in the 80’s it was the Protestant Action Force?? Keep trying to rewrite history to a republican agenda
I am almost finished his book, very insightful. Don't blame him for not showing his face in this podcast. In terms of what iv read and learnt in recent years, the FRU were sentimental in helping to defeat the provos, and I believe their work in part amongst others drove them to the negotiating table, whereby the 'Republic' was not even on the table.
I did a tour of Cross/ S.Armagh in 83/84 , two of my mates lost Brothers killed on our previous tour, but i have to agree with him here , s.armagh "had a go" and took us on
Sounds as if Will Britten was a member if SAB , no wonder FRU could not defeat them . He just has not a notion . Farmers and smugglers were far too clever for to be defeated by idiots like Will , oh and a lot of money was made during the campaign . John has the hots for SAB , he easily dismisses Kingsmills , Tullyvallen , Darkley and the ethnic cleansing . Overall SAB were a well motivated , well organised , well equipped murder machine , who gave it their best shot and were still defeated . South Armagh is still British and whatever tax they pay , if any , goes to the British Purse . That was the final outcome , all the poor people who met untimely deaths at he hands of SAB , really died for nothing , including their own members . The prestige narrative offered to SAB , is partially true , to the extent that they fought a long disciplined war and were in a position of strength even at end of the campaign . They let their image down by engaging in fully sectarian attacks against totally innocent civilians . Surely if they were men of principle , they would reveal where they buried the remainder of the poor souls that were disappeared into the bogs of Ireland . Maybe that does not fit into their 2024 image . What do you think John or Will or does that go against your book selling narrative ?
It's far from over, once the police are dealt with here in England, they'll bring in the army, and when they're occupied here, it'll start again in Ireland.
“They let their image down by engaging in fully sectarian attacks “…cmon hey …that’s was the loyalist/unionist/protestants bread and butter through the troubles…pure sectarian killers …please…if you want and are able to…back up that original comment…I await ….
@@michaelward4826 Correct , the loyalists were pure sectarian killers , 100 per cent true , who do you think lined up the ten textile workers at Kingsmills .May you think it was somebody from Mars . I think that comes under pure sectarian killers , dont you , cmon hey .
I read once that they tried to fire a SAM but it failed to fire and the cause was faulty or dead battery packs in them but I am sure their engineers could have solved that problem. SAMS were not the only things that could be used against helicopters though, RPG-7's, heavy calibre machine guns, heavy calibre sniper guns, homemade exploding projectiles... The SAM's were a boost in morale for the IRA and a psychological threat, even when not being utilized to pilots and those onboard the aircraft.
There was an Irishman in my hometown Pitlochry in Scotland, his name was Jimmy Lyndsey but was always known as Jimmy Irish. Jimmy was fine until he had too much swally. He was a good lad all the same. great grafter.
So , this character thinks they didn’t target innocent civilians , someone tell him about the ten Protestant workers shot dead at kings mills , or the massacre at tullyvallen orange hall , as well as many Protestant farmers who were in the part time UDR , no credibility whatsoever , shameful…..
Well said & well presented. Ffs the dogs in the street know wat them bastards were all about sure wasn't McGlinchey too crazy even for them but they didn't stop him riddling Darkley mission hall a move slab murphy was well aware of. Yes respect the enemy but don't bandstand them.
You’d imagine the casualties would be in the 1000’s if civilians were targeted at Canary Wharf. Obviously there was casualties but why give a warning if civilians were the target.
@@dublinhoop1 Vague last minute warnings cause confusion . Thanks to the heroic efforts of the police , death tolls weren't significantly higher #AlQedaIRA , two sides of the one cube #FreedomFightersOrTerrorists
@@JohnMurphy-mx7pd sh1te. If civilians were the target no warnings would have been given and the explosion would have occurred at lunchtime on a Wednesday - not a Friday evening. Also- why not Wembley stadium or the underground? London financial district was hit for a reason and regrettably 2 people were killed. This isn’t up for debate. Civilians were not the target and no amount of tabloid headline style revisionism will change that.
@@dublinhoop1 Vague warnings regarding time & location were of little use to the police , Enniskillen being another prime example of mass murder @ 11 am on a Sunday . The IRA fought a thirty year war so Ireland could become a suburb of #Lagos & #Mogadishu L O L #Al Qaeda gave the USA a six month warning to stop meddling in the Middle East ! That makes nine eleven okay ?
Why do you delete comments my friend that are total fact and none insulting ? Even when I can quote from uour previous guests podcasts if I had not actually been here to witness it?
@@melissabyrne8749 I promise you I don’t delete comments.. RUclips is unbelievably heavy handed with removing comments if they have words/terms that they don’t like, even if it’s just something innocent that might be wrongly perceived as being violent or offensive or whatever. Not me removing them sorry
The gov security forces police and sb know and knew every player. Politics more often than not came into play. SA pira we're busy making money through criminal activity and still do it today unabated.
Good to hear a brit acknowledge that their adversy were professional and cunning and to be respected, to much of the annoyance of some loyalists.
He is tickling the ears of a republican audience , guess what for……
@@barneymagee3285 Book sales?
Loyalists are cowardly thugs. The only thing that made them relevant was the targeting of defenseless catholic communities
No. He's speaking that absolute truth. Any soldier or security forces know exactly how professional, cunning and dangerous South Armagh Pira were. No dramas admitting that by any one of them
South Armagh PIRA didn’t target innocent civilians?? What about the Kingsmill massacre??
Problem with that is one of the people who shot the workers is a suspected British agent - also responsible for the 3 Scottish soldiers killed. Ex-Paratrooper to boot.
I'm sure Alan Black has stated that he knows he won't get justice because of that/collusion.
Catholic reaction force not PIRA.
@@gerardhenry5501 Aye,,dead on
@gerardhenry5501 yeah, course it was😅
@@johnbush6901 no sweat mate, just like when the UVF shot a catholic in the 80’s it was the Protestant Action Force?? Keep trying to rewrite history to a republican agenda
I met Slab socially last week & my God its hard to credit what he controlled in a war situation. Some man for wan man.
How is he regarded by the ordinary locals? What's it like up there now eg. Republicanism V Criminality?
@@_Tabasco Slab was never considered a Criminal & he still remains as a local farmer.
@@coughlantom4139 I'm from near the border and yes he's a wealthy livestock farmer that made smart investments
@@coughlantom4139Slab has always been a criminal smuggler. That's how he made money to fund SA Pira.
He's a gangster and smuggler who took advantage of the troubles to get rich
Boom 💥💥💥 smased it with another top quest. Thanks John keep up the good work 👍👍👍
I am almost finished his book, very insightful. Don't blame him for not showing his face in this podcast. In terms of what iv read and learnt in recent years, the FRU were sentimental in helping to defeat the provos, and I believe their work in part amongst others drove them to the negotiating table, whereby the 'Republic' was not even on the table.
I did a tour of Cross/ S.Armagh in 83/84 , two of my mates lost Brothers killed on our previous tour, but i have to agree with him here , s.armagh "had a go" and took us on
South Armagh PIRA Didn’t target off duty RUC or UDR men….is this guy for real??
Off duty/ on duty, Same thing. Still occupiers in our country
Take money from the british goverment ( dole etc) make you a collaborator !!!
Sounds as if Will Britten was a member if SAB , no wonder FRU could not defeat them . He just has not a notion .
Farmers and smugglers were far too clever for to be defeated by idiots like Will , oh and a lot of money was made during the campaign .
John has the hots for SAB , he easily dismisses Kingsmills , Tullyvallen , Darkley and the ethnic cleansing .
Overall SAB were a well motivated , well organised , well equipped murder machine , who gave it their best shot and were still defeated . South Armagh is still British and whatever tax they pay , if any , goes to the British Purse .
That was the final outcome , all the poor people who met untimely deaths at he hands of SAB , really died for nothing , including their own members .
The prestige narrative offered to SAB , is partially true , to the extent that they fought a long disciplined war and were in a position of strength even at end of the campaign . They let their image down by engaging in fully sectarian attacks against totally innocent civilians .
Surely if they were men of principle , they would reveal where they buried the remainder of the poor souls that were disappeared into the bogs of Ireland . Maybe that does not fit into their 2024 image .
What do you think John or Will or does that go against your book selling narrative ?
It's far from over, once the police are dealt with here in England, they'll bring in the army, and when they're occupied here, it'll start again in Ireland.
“They let their image down by engaging in fully sectarian attacks “…cmon hey …that’s was the loyalist/unionist/protestants bread and butter through the troubles…pure sectarian killers …please…if you want and are able to…back up that original comment…I await ….
@@michaelward4826 Correct , the loyalists were pure sectarian killers , 100 per cent true , who do you think lined up the ten textile workers at Kingsmills .May you think it was somebody from Mars .
I think that comes under pure sectarian killers , dont you , cmon hey .
I read once that they tried to fire a SAM but it failed to fire and the cause was faulty or dead battery packs in them but I am sure their engineers could have solved that problem. SAMS were not the only things that could be used against helicopters though, RPG-7's, heavy calibre machine guns, heavy calibre sniper guns, homemade exploding projectiles... The SAM's were a boost in morale for the IRA and a psychological threat, even when not being utilized to pilots and those onboard the aircraft.
Hello Will Britten. My name is Billy Irish.
You sure you're not Liam Irish 😂 anyway how're ye I'm Willy Ulster 🤣
There was an Irishman in my hometown Pitlochry in Scotland, his name was Jimmy Lyndsey but was always known as Jimmy Irish. Jimmy was fine until he had too much swally. He was a good lad all the same. great grafter.
So , this character thinks they didn’t target innocent civilians , someone tell him about the ten Protestant workers shot dead at kings mills , or the massacre at tullyvallen orange hall , as well as many Protestant farmers who were in the part time UDR , no credibility whatsoever , shameful…..
Barney, remember the night before Kings Mills and shut up your whingeing.
Well said & well presented. Ffs the dogs in the street know wat them bastards were all about sure wasn't McGlinchey too crazy even for them but they didn't stop him riddling Darkley mission hall a move slab murphy was well aware of. Yes respect the enemy but don't bandstand them.
Totally agree…:but then again that wouldn’t support the pro IRA agenda / anti British, Loyalist bias on these podcasts
‘Kingsmill was an isolated incident’ & ‘im not sure South Armagh IRA were involved’….is this guy serious??
Let’s put one thing straight….these weren’t soilders, they wee terrorists
#CanaryWharf & #Warrington targeted civilians .
You’d imagine the casualties would be in the 1000’s if civilians were targeted at Canary Wharf.
Obviously there was casualties but why give a warning if civilians were the target.
@@dublinhoop1 Vague last minute warnings cause confusion . Thanks to the heroic efforts of the police , death tolls weren't significantly higher #AlQedaIRA , two sides of the one cube #FreedomFightersOrTerrorists
@@dublinhoop1 Detonating a bomb outside a McDonalds @ 4 pm on a Saturday unsurpisingly murdered 2 children .
@@JohnMurphy-mx7pd sh1te. If civilians were the target no warnings would have been given and the explosion would have occurred at lunchtime on a Wednesday - not a Friday evening.
Also- why not Wembley stadium or the underground?
London financial district was hit for a reason and regrettably 2 people were killed. This isn’t up for debate.
Civilians were not the target and no amount of tabloid headline style revisionism will change that.
@@dublinhoop1 Vague warnings regarding time & location were of little use to the police , Enniskillen being another prime example of mass murder @ 11 am on a Sunday . The IRA fought a thirty year war so Ireland could become a suburb of #Lagos & #Mogadishu L O L #Al Qaeda gave the USA a six month warning to stop meddling in the Middle East ! That makes nine eleven okay ?
Why do you delete comments my friend that are total fact and none insulting ? Even when I can quote from uour previous guests podcasts if I had not actually been here to witness it?
@@melissabyrne8749 I promise you I don’t delete comments.. RUclips is unbelievably heavy handed with removing comments if they have words/terms that they don’t like, even if it’s just something innocent that might be wrongly perceived as being violent or offensive or whatever.
Not me removing them sorry
@@thegoodlistenerpodcast thanks mucker love the show
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Is he for real
Seems like this lad is dragging u into dark places
The gov security forces police and sb know and knew every player. Politics more often than not came into play. SA pira we're busy making money through criminal activity and still do it today unabated.