It’s been nice knowing you. I’ll miss all the honest and informative reviews. Was the best channel for this stuff. Let me know when the service is…if they ever find your body.
The one thing I’d say is that cobra buckles tend to be authorized in SOF for bird use. Reason being is that the authorized tether line has that pull release on it allowing you to quickly disconnect in an emergency. So the more important feature would be the D-ring weight rating to verify that it can withstand being rapidly loaded in like a hard landing or something. That would be a good thing to add to your reviews. Otherwise, good review.
I believe the wet suit is not why they designed the belt that way. They designed it that way so the hook does not scratch you when you are on long hikes when facing inward.
so instead it always scratches you with the inner belt facing outwards? They could have at lease covered the top of the inner belt with nylon to make it not do that....which you see on alternatives half the cost of this.
I appreciate the honesty. Hope you are still alive. Lets hope they do better next time. I mean this is there first belt. Remember they are killers not engineers, so lets see what they come up with next. By the way I agreed with everything you said.
We gather here today to speak kind words for our friend and brother Walsh who has went MIA.....Walsh you were a great person that has brought us great videos and reviews. Maybe you can join Jason since he went missing a while back. Lmao 🤣🤣
I was unprepared for this review………… When I first heard about this belt, I had no clue that the inner belt was essentially a two piece design. That’s………….kind of the opposite of KISS. I’m trying to think of a “yeah but….” for this belt, but I’m just at a loss.
HSGI has the same velcro system. Both work well for Run 'N Guns. All depends on use, "use". Most people buying probably won't actually use the belts. The AXL has been good too but not as comfortable over miles of terrain. The inner belt is definitely meh... The Blue Alpha belt is a way better EDC choice. My HSGI belt system has 40 miles on it.
12:18 Cobra buckles are not known for safety issues. It's their purpose to not be able to be released under pressure, they are climbing gear. SOCOM banning all double piece belts as retention systems hasn't to do with the buckle but with the belts not being rated.
sure but the ones that are rated are still banned. It said clearly in the instructions... no cobra bucklea hence why the 3 initial approvals all used double D rings
I definitely purchased this belt for the hype of it being the new new. It looked like it would have been a better bison belt and in some ways it was but in others it wasn't. It's difficult to adjust which if you know you're always going to be the same size probably a good thing how tight it's secured. The reversal of the loop & hook is definitely too niche for me to notice if it matters. They have said in there videos on their channel that it's to avoid feeling the hook scratching into them. Irony for me I felt the hook scratching into me. So I must not be wearing it long enough to see how true that is. Don't care for the over lap style of inner belts. I like some type of buckle for the inner belt. Always felt like the inner belt would come off if it wasn't for the outer belt being on top. It looks good, wears fine, like the tegris being part of where the molle weaves through, but definitely a flimsy belt. Went with a ciguera gear belt and have immediately loved it much better, feels lighter, wears better, feels as or more so rigid but not like I can't move in it. Perfect belt so far but still new we'll see
that's like saying you're wearing pants made of wood and having no problem. The only people that know you're doing something dumb is everyone else. -Walsh
Belts are really half purpose driven and half preference driven. I'm a rural Deputy. I use a load bearing vest to carry some of my gear so my belt is pretty light compared to some guys. I prefer a really stiff inner belt as well as a really stiff outer belt. I hear that some guys like more flex in their belt set ups, but I don't understand why. With all that being said, there's no excuse for reversing the velcro. Hook inner belts are tools of the devil.
Its amazing the amount of graphics inserts that now accompany your videos. The editing (production value) is just over the top awesomeness. I value your reviews and they influence my purchases. This is hands down my favorite review channel. Thanks for the post! mid way thru the video. I also appreciate how you organize your videos into playlists so we can catch a video we might have missed! Happy Easter to you and yours and to the TLDco Family!
PS to my knowledge the only belt rated for climbing is The Wilderness Original Instructor Belt. I purchased one of those over ten years ago and so proud of my purchase. The history behind the founder of the company and how he developed the belt is super cool. PSS Love the Texas accent "tears from the velcro." Nice
So glad I went with bluealpha inner + Arbor Arms Ambush. People overhype some brands so much that look worse than the $25 amazon belts I suggest to my dudes. Also anyone saying this is a military belt is hard coping cause it's not lmao
The attachment cuts look a lot like the Molle laser cuts on the new AWS belt. Which is f-ing awesome and just over a bill with two inner belts. And theirs have the velcro the good way and it's solid as hell and one piece. I just got one and am blown away.
What if someone doesn’t want to EDC the inner belt? What if someone doesn’t care if tools are needed to add pouches? What if someone wants to install stuff ONE TIME, and keep it that way? I want the inner/outer GBRS to work together and never wear one without the other. Then it’s still bad? Is this a review because of the drama along with GBRS? I am trying to get others and none seem to hold as well 🤔.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo top 3 choices you’d recommend? I want it to be stiff, but moveable. But I also want it to hold onto pouches and what not super strong. I am having a tough time deciding between all of these choices…. AWSIN, Ronin, and Bison were my other favorites so far. Or is there another you like more?
DM Mech, HRT ARC, Ronin Senshi I think are the current listed top 3...I think the Axl is up there too. The DM mech, HRT, and Axl use the new generational design. The ronin senshi and lead devil dominate the old generation. The Ferro and GBRS use a real trash middle generation that does nothing except increase cost while providing no real functional difference....but for additional cost. -Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo ok awesome thanks again for the info. My only worry with these "new generations" of belts are they only use half or less of the outside belt to have velcro on. The Senshi and others use full velcro on the outer. Just unsure if the "new generation" hold as secure to the inner...
I've been running a Ronin belt for 2.5 years and switched to the GBRS belt. Sadly I tend to agree with the video more than I'd like, mainly due to the cost of the V2 belt vs my Ronin. But my Ronin belt failed with the True North mount
@@ThinLineDefenseCo the coating on the True North Mount wore through the molle webbing on the belt in less then 3 months of using with the belt on a daily basis. Can provide pictures if needed too. The V2 will be replaced with another Ronin.
@@zboyjason oh interesting. Yea on mine I just sandwiched the true north adapter instead of running the tabs through the molle. Very interesting you had that issue though.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo thats what I did once the webbing broke and what ill do again until I can replace it. I'm thinking if adding a few slivers of polished kydex to help with the friction
Thanks for your content! I got the blue alpha inner belt based off of your suggestion. It worked really well with my axl outer belt. I had a training course last week and both belts were exceptionally well. I just think the axl needs more velcro on the inside.
I use a G Code belt with an uncle miles inner belt. G code is very proprietary but I like their mounts. Molle pouches work ok. The uncle mikes inner belt is extremely rigid which I like but takes a lot of breaking in. Once broken in it's all an extremely solid platform.
Woo burn! But I gotta say your review seems pretty spot on. GBRS made some pretty questionable choices with this battle belt. Check out the Ciguera Battle Wagon. Now that is a quality super-well designed belt system. Absolutely love mine! 👍🏾
You can run it either way. Apologies if I didn't show this well. Regardless though, you got like 2 inches of belt all around and you look ridiculous. -Walsh
Any chance for an Attack Pak Reaper belt review? Would also appreciate a review on how comfortable the gravity pouch is with a pack. Your video on Attack Pak during Shot Show was the first time I've seen their products and I'm leaning towards getting their system over the AXL Eclipse for my first Tegris gun belt.
The cobra buckle is most definitely being used in helo ops. Blue force gear makes a belt specifically designed to be help rated and they use a cobra buckle. So does every other company. Maybe the lanyard you clip in with needs to open under load. But I don't think all these companies would be using it if it wasn't allowed.
usscom doesn't allow the Cobra buckle. All the current authoritized belts are required to release under load... something a cobra can't do so while it may be rated, it's kinda stupid if you're hanging and can't get out -Walsh
Try bison belt read were u told someone same thing as this one. Well the outer belt is way better than V2 the inner belt is flimsy but trying cut weight and since the outer is stiff enough it will work. It small round holes cut in it and more of the stiff material is in bison belt than v2. Guess just like anything to do with structure load bearing circles cut out instead of square windows give u more stiffness. Price is what really bad about bison
I’ve run the belt for about four months now, and honestly, I acknowledge your concerns with it, but it’s nowhere near as bad as how much you exaggerated it in this video. I run the GBRS belt and ronin tactics belt while instructing, and were both for hours a day and I don’t notice a difference at all. In between courses, I take off the outer belt and just where the shroud and inner belt. As for the cobra buckle and weight rating, I’m not actively operating, so I don’t require that in a belt, and I doubt most people who buy this belt will need that, either. In the civilian market, I don’t think there is a need for features that the other belts you featured and reviewed on your channel have. This is nothing against you. I just try to look at things realistically and practically but at the end of the day, to each their own. Nevertheless, great video 👍
haha no I agree, the differences of the belts we see can be quite trivial. Some things do annoy the piss out of me but push comes to shove... they all operate as a belt. And I usually make the videos to be ridiculous so it's at least mildly fun to look at belts all day haha so just enjoy and make your own smart decisions just know I'm likely being ridiculous lol thanks for the comments and for watching! -Walsh
Every gun person bitching about HK: “How dare that company for making military products that they don’t sell to civilians without modifying first!” Walsh: “How dare that company for making military products that they do sell to civilians without modifying first!” We really can’t have it both ways.
I own the GBRS Assaulters Belt and use it. I did not know it was so bad till I watched this review. I do not test all belts on the market so I have a limited perspective compared to someone that does short term testing. I have seen other reviews on this belt, those folks have switched over to the GBRS Assaulters Belt from what they previously used that you have ranked higher in your review, you can find those reviews doing a quick search on RUclips. I switched over to the GBRS Assaulters Belt from what I was previously using and find it to be a better solution. I find the available options equipment to be very available if you understand how to implement simple devices. Setting up canted devices was no problem for me. I think your review is fair from your perspective, others have differing perspectives. I have not tested all Battle belts on the market, I have better things to do. Like using products. I am not saying it is the best Assaulter Belt on the market under your criteria. What percentage of the Civilian market actually has a need for a ASSAULTER BELT? Civilians 0%. The question is how many want one? ???? The Military and Police agencies choose what they want under a criteria that they choose. If they choose to buy the GBRS Assaulters Belt it won't be under your ranking system.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo Just so you may better understand why they do the velcro system more intelligently. If you have ever had the velcro loops facing inwards on an Assaulter Belt towards your love handles all day long and wonder why you are bleeding around your waste at the end of the day. You would end up preferring the softer material facing inward, not a million needles of velcro loops. It is the superior solution. Just try a long hike, with the velcro system that you say you think you prefer, and you will change your mind by nightfall.
@@sanmon1135 I actually found the opposite. I really try to test the belts and I'll usually wear them for a few 8 hour shooting and recording sessions. I found that the loop side has the same contact regardless of being on inner or outer since it's so close to one another. A lot of new inner belts that have hook actually have nylon that runs the top and bottom of the belt so this problem is gone. Oddly, those belts are also half the cost of the the GBRS one with significantly better features. In the legacy style such as this and since both hook direction feels the same, I don't find the flipped Velcro being worth the inability to use products from the rest of the industry. The loop is also a wear item. So as on normal belts, you'd only replace the inner belt.... Here you have to buy an entire new belt. Which is a pretty beautiful middle finger to the customer and an obvious hat tip to a replacement schedule for a government contract.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo A shooting session and a packed out multi day trip are different. Made in America means something to me. Foreign is always cheaper. I am never chasing what is best. I look for improvements. My budgets would go broke always chasing for the best Pistol, Carbine, or Belt. To me it is about learning to use the tools to the best of your abilities. Most tools are much better than the users capabilities. I respect your reviews and glad we have differing opinions on occasion. It makes me think. Thanks for stepping forward and stepping out and doing your reviews.
Good question because it looks like the GBRS and the Ferro and very similar just one has circle cuts the other has square in the Tegris, I’m still leaning towards the Axl though after watching that video. I’m surprised you didn’t like this belt, wish you would’ve sent it to me
Who TF wears a battle belt outside their wetsuit?!?!? I don’t even think seals do that. Also seals end up wearing dry suits more often than wetsuits so they can wear their campus’s under their dry suit. They store the gun belt and other stuff in a dry bag with the rest of their clothing/gear and put it on AFTER they get out of the water!!
I don't think anyone does lol I just had to take that dumb comment and run with it. But this style of belt really makes no sense....particularly at the price point. It's just a lesson in how to gouge customers. -Walsh
I certainly can, AWS is the OEM for Ronin so it's a lot of the same. I would expect very minor differences from the ronin but half the cost....seeing how they come from the same place. -Walsh
Surprised the Safe Life Defense Tactical Belt isn’t on the list. Maybe it ain’t cool guy enough because they don’t have multicam. Lol Great video though. Rock on🤙
You should do a belt review on BDStactical, been rocking there modular belt with the polymer buckle for a few years for range use. There budget friendly as well.
It's in the loadout video but that's the HCM. It's absolutely killer and even has level 2 with the sls hood. We have a discount code with them too! TLDco
Thanks for this review and belt recommendations. Have you checked out their V3? They’ve updated the inner belt, but I’m still super skeptical about the hook Velcro on the inner being that I feel it would rip my belt loops to shreds. Idk what to get 🥴
Between the HRT ARC, DM Mech, and the new Agilite Belt....I have no reason why you'd get the V3. There are just so many better options from companies NOT actively trying to rip you off. -Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo thanks, im going to check those out and try to narrow it down. I may just be thinking too hard about it, but I like to buy once, ya know?
@@ThinLineDefenseCo well I think it’s good but don’t take my word for it. CHeck out these dudes - all Fmr Tier 1 ground branch, devgru & unit guys. They just talked thru their gunfighter belt and it was the Bison. He also crapped shade on GBRS belt a tad lol - ruclips.net/video/LUfhmkzoCSA/видео.html
If GBRS is marketing to Tier-1 folks as many argue in the comments, there sub count will never reach very high. They know wanna-be's will buy their products. And that is okay.
It is. It is absolutely okay. But for the cost, there are belts twice as good for half the price. I think it's important folks know that before assuming being a Seal somehow makes you a product design engineer. -Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo Agreed and always thought that. The Appeal to Authority is the logic fallacy being used here. Not bashing these fine gentleman, but they need to get some advice on pricing.
It's honestly nice to see things talked about in a non partisan way instead of with emotional investment because of either money spent or love of the creators of the product. What's your thoughts on the ferro concepts bison bekt?
I havn't seen it. Mostly because the price and design puts it squarely in the "Meh" category. It's like generation 1.5 when other belts are at gen3 (HRT and DM)...and the bison is twice the cost. The bison just doesn't make much sense in the current market. -Walsh
@Thin Line Defense Co I appreciate the response. I'm shopping around for a first belt, and I want to buy once cry once. People sing its praises in gear groups, so I appreciate the honesty.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo well that’s just because you’re not a goon, or op8rator, or wizard, or whatever the 16 year old kid who has every FOG and Supdef drop with his moms credit card calls me. For real though, I’ve tried out a lot of belts over the last 10 years and the bison is so far my current favourite for wearing every day for 12-14 hours. The one hitch though…. Same as the gbrs, the inner belt sucks donkey dick. I use another stiffer inner and tossed the ferro in the pile of forgotten kit in my basement.
two safe life requests in two hours on the same video. Please tell me you aren't paid to request videos. Tell Safe life to answer our emails and I'll review it -Walsh
A bit ridiculous lol even If it was for wet suits there are definitely more than 8 people that need it or may want it. I mean you have it and its not like you really "need" it but many may want it. There are 150 active Army divers 1,225 active Navy divers 128,000 certified PADI divers Oh and the 3 million registered divers just in the US alone that could use it. But the one thing I can assure you Is that this belt and its design has absolutely nothing to do with wetsuits...
I have this belt an absolutely love it. It’s the best belt I’ve owned. Does everything I need it to and then some. This review is pretty much out to shit on the belt from the first word out of your mouth. Almost like it’s a grasp at gaining some attention. But to each their own.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo Although I don't think he is commenting with the best interests, I have to argue in the GBRS belt's favour. I have owned half of the belt you mentioned here and it's no way near as bad as you stated; at least, if you look at the outer belt... The tegris actually permanently fixes some of the issues I have with nylon stretching out over time which is a minor gripe but definitely something worth paying the ridiculous premium for my personal needs. Sure, the AXL does that as well but I find it to be slightly less comfortable than the assaulter. If I were to design a perfect belt, I would have gone with CHLK's low profile velcro, GBRS's tegris implementation and AXL's price point and blue alpha's inner belt.
It helps when you put it on correctly… can’t bash something you don’t know how to use lol. I have a gbrs and in love with it, those guys have more experience than over half these guys on RUclips, and gbrs has a TON of experience tweaking other belts/gear to benefit them in the field. I love it and everything else I’ve gotten from them has been golden. Great solid belt than you can EDC/ADC comfortably and reliability.
Wow! This belt is even more of a mess than I thought. I’d rather run an old one piece 2 inch duty belt with the big old plastic buckle. *he says as he runs an old one piece 2 inch duty belt with the big old plastic buckle.
Given that fact that GBRS is new to the game... even thou both dudes are retire Team Six Seals.... can give them a pass on not being the greatest belt design.
Dnt wanna burst ur bubble. But if u keep up with GBRS u would knw tht they design all their kit from the suggestions of their audience. But u r untitled to ur opinion.
POV: you don’t actually know anything about a product, who it’s actually marketed to, IE not civilians. And do any research on why things are they way they are with a product. This is easily close to the best if not the best belt in the market for what it’s actually made for.
obviously not. I laughed just giving it away. whoever this is for, it isn't civilians. And if I got this issued, I'd be pissed. as I said in the video you didn't watch, whatever market exists for these, is hilariously small. and you bring home my point perfectly. Don't buy this if you're a civilian. -Walsh
good review bruh but really, ur the only dude saying a lot of bad shit about this belt, all the others that i saw reviwing it said otherwise, some of them said it was their favorite belt, some of them said its a decent belt but they prefer other desings... i think is kinda weird the way you talk about this belt bro, i really can`t belive you are being honest, it might not be the belt for you and for a lot of people, it IS expensive yes, but you really can not say its a terrible belt come on now man
ehhh I'm one of the rare that has 20 or more belts. I certainly want you to have your own opinion but this belt is literally more expensive for less features if you're a fan of goobers, it's great. If you want a good belt, it sucks -Walsh
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It’s been nice knowing you. I’ll miss all the honest and informative reviews. Was the best channel for this stuff. Let me know when the service is…if they ever find your body.
*plays taps* lol
This video just cemented my decision to buy the blu-alpha belt,thank you for the review and the honesty!
Glad I could help!
-Walsh
The one thing I’d say is that cobra buckles tend to be authorized in SOF for bird use. Reason being is that the authorized tether line has that pull release on it allowing you to quickly disconnect in an emergency. So the more important feature would be the D-ring weight rating to verify that it can withstand being rapidly loaded in like a hard landing or something. That would be a good thing to add to your reviews. Otherwise, good review.
It’s not authorized
@@joeclose5807they currently use ronin belts so..
@@handsmcneilRgr that. They are issued ronin and this dude has no idea what he’s talking about.
I believe the wet suit is not why they designed the belt that way.
They designed it that way so the hook does not scratch you when you are on long hikes when facing inward.
so instead it always scratches you with the inner belt facing outwards? They could have at lease covered the top of the inner belt with nylon to make it not do that....which you see on alternatives half the cost of this.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo Yeah covering the top portion of the belt so the hook is away from the skin would have been the smart move.
I have a belt with hook facing in and never had issues on hikes with it scratching me.
you have outdone yourself on this video. Amazing information without just bashing a company. Bravo sir.
I appreciate the honesty. Hope you are still alive. Lets hope they do better next time. I mean this is there first belt. Remember they are killers not engineers, so lets see what they come up with next. By the way I agreed with everything you said.
That looks pretty awful. Maybe you should do a G-Code belt next and send it to me after you're done?
ehhh I don't love their attachment system. It looks like it would interfere with the adhesion. I have an extra Lead devil I think you'd like!
-Walsh
Fuck G-Code eh?
I heard Hop really LOVES the G-Code belt. 😂
This video just saved me $250. Thanks Walsh!
DJ wants a word with you Walsh lol
Great video!
Lol think he wants to tell me how happy he is? Or maybe a good recipe?
@@ThinLineDefenseCo he’s going to give you props for the MCBASMENT selection 😀
We gather here today to speak kind words for our friend and brother Walsh who has went MIA.....Walsh you were a great person that has brought us great videos and reviews. Maybe you can join Jason since he went missing a while back. Lmao 🤣🤣
haha poor Jason...I mean we found Cody eventually. Maybe Jason is alive out there...somewhere.
-Walsh
I was unprepared for this review…………
When I first heard about this belt, I had no clue that the inner belt was essentially a two piece design. That’s………….kind of the opposite of KISS.
I’m trying to think of a “yeah but….” for this belt, but I’m just at a loss.
HSGI has the same velcro system. Both work well for Run 'N Guns. All depends on use, "use". Most people buying probably won't actually use the belts. The AXL has been good too but not as comfortable over miles of terrain. The inner belt is definitely meh... The Blue Alpha belt is a way better EDC choice. My HSGI belt system has 40 miles on it.
12:18 Cobra buckles are not known for safety issues. It's their purpose to not be able to be released under pressure, they are climbing gear. SOCOM banning all double piece belts as retention systems hasn't to do with the buckle but with the belts not being rated.
sure but the ones that are rated are still banned. It said clearly in the instructions... no cobra bucklea
hence why the 3 initial approvals all used double D rings
@@ThinLineDefenseCo And other militaries with even higher safety requirements than SOCOM use the cobra buckle just fine.
Sure but not in America.
I'm glad I bought a Blue Alpha inner belt and AXL eclipse.
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Just saved me $250 on this gimmicky af warface belt.
I definitely purchased this belt for the hype of it being the new new. It looked like it would have been a better bison belt and in some ways it was but in others it wasn't.
It's difficult to adjust which if you know you're always going to be the same size probably a good thing how tight it's secured. The reversal of the loop & hook is definitely too niche for me to notice if it matters. They have said in there videos on their channel that it's to avoid feeling the hook scratching into them. Irony for me I felt the hook scratching into me.
So I must not be wearing it long enough to see how true that is. Don't care for the over lap style of inner belts. I like some type of buckle for the inner belt. Always felt like the inner belt would come off if it wasn't for the outer belt being on top.
It looks good, wears fine, like the tegris being part of where the molle weaves through, but definitely a flimsy belt.
Went with a ciguera gear belt and have immediately loved it much better, feels lighter, wears better, feels as or more so rigid but not like I can't move in it.
Perfect belt so far but still new we'll see
Me wearing my gbrs belt everyday and having no problem 😂
that's like saying you're wearing pants made of wood and having no problem. The only people that know you're doing something dumb is everyone else.
-Walsh
Wet noodle of an inner belt😭
You had me dying after that one😂
Bison belt all the way:)
Belts are really half purpose driven and half preference driven. I'm a rural Deputy. I use a load bearing vest to carry some of my gear so my belt is pretty light compared to some guys. I prefer a really stiff inner belt as well as a really stiff outer belt. I hear that some guys like more flex in their belt set ups, but I don't understand why.
With all that being said, there's no excuse for reversing the velcro. Hook inner belts are tools of the devil.
Its amazing the amount of graphics inserts that now accompany your videos. The editing (production value) is just over the top awesomeness. I value your reviews and they influence my purchases. This is hands down my favorite review channel. Thanks for the post! mid way thru the video. I also appreciate how you organize your videos into playlists so we can catch a video we might have missed! Happy Easter to you and yours and to the TLDco Family!
PS to my knowledge the only belt rated for climbing is The Wilderness Original Instructor Belt. I purchased one of those over ten years ago and so proud of my purchase. The history behind the founder of the company and how he developed the belt is super cool. PSS Love the Texas accent "tears from the velcro." Nice
So glad I went with bluealpha inner + Arbor Arms Ambush. People overhype some brands so much that look worse than the $25 amazon belts I suggest to my dudes.
Also anyone saying this is a military belt is hard coping cause it's not lmao
The attachment cuts look a lot like the Molle laser cuts on the new AWS belt. Which is f-ing awesome and just over a bill with two inner belts. And theirs have the velcro the good way and it's solid as hell and one piece. I just got one and am blown away.
What if someone doesn’t want to EDC the inner belt? What if someone doesn’t care if tools are needed to add pouches? What if someone wants to install stuff ONE TIME, and keep it that way? I want the inner/outer GBRS to work together and never wear one without the other. Then it’s still bad? Is this a review because of the drama along with GBRS? I am trying to get others and none seem to hold as well 🤔.
Then buy a real belt. even without the shortcomings, this is the worst offering on the market
@@ThinLineDefenseCo top 3 choices you’d recommend? I want it to be stiff, but moveable. But I also want it to hold onto pouches and what not super strong. I am having a tough time deciding between all of these choices…. AWSIN, Ronin, and Bison were my other favorites so far. Or is there another you like more?
DM Mech, HRT ARC, Ronin Senshi I think are the current listed top 3...I think the Axl is up there too. The DM mech, HRT, and Axl use the new generational design. The ronin senshi and lead devil dominate the old generation.
The Ferro and GBRS use a real trash middle generation that does nothing except increase cost while providing no real functional difference....but for additional cost.
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo ok awesome thanks again for the info.
My only worry with these "new generations" of belts are they only use half or less of the outside belt to have velcro on.
The Senshi and others use full velcro on the outer. Just unsure if the "new generation" hold as secure to the inner...
I've been running a Ronin belt for 2.5 years and switched to the GBRS belt. Sadly I tend to agree with the video more than I'd like, mainly due to the cost of the V2 belt vs my Ronin. But my Ronin belt failed with the True North mount
Oh interesting, how did it fail? I use that combo a lot now.
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo the coating on the True North Mount wore through the molle webbing on the belt in less then 3 months of using with the belt on a daily basis. Can provide pictures if needed too. The V2 will be replaced with another Ronin.
@@zboyjason oh interesting. Yea on mine I just sandwiched the true north adapter instead of running the tabs through the molle. Very interesting you had that issue though.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo thats what I did once the webbing broke and what ill do again until I can replace it. I'm thinking if adding a few slivers of polished kydex to help with the friction
@@zboyjason check out lead devil/blue alpha (basically same belt) I like my blue alpha a lot. You feel that true north is worth the $$?
Was not impressed with gbrs belt or that ridiculous hydra mount that looks like a snag hazard from the start. Good review
Really wish I had found your channel months ago. Would have saved me a crap ton of $$!
Thanks for your content! I got the blue alpha inner belt based off of your suggestion. It worked really well with my axl outer belt. I had a training course last week and both belts were exceptionally well. I just think the axl needs more velcro on the inside.
I use a G Code belt with an uncle miles inner belt. G code is very proprietary but I like their mounts. Molle pouches work ok. The uncle mikes inner belt is extremely rigid which I like but takes a lot of breaking in. Once broken in it's all an extremely solid platform.
One belt for you to check out man: Acelink Armor Tactical Belt. I really really like mine, cost vs what you get with it is very impressive.
Woo burn! But I gotta say your review seems pretty spot on. GBRS made some pretty questionable choices with this battle belt. Check out the Ciguera Battle Wagon. Now that is a quality super-well designed belt system. Absolutely love mine! 👍🏾
Not sure why you can't run your EDC on top of all the outer belt instead of having to put the clips inside the outer belt.
You can run it either way. Apologies if I didn't show this well. Regardless though, you got like 2 inches of belt all around and you look ridiculous.
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo It was a good review and props for getting down in here and reading all these comments.
Any plans on doing a review on the sheepdog response protector belt?
Give these belts by ATS Tactical a gander - the Skirmish ($130) and Tactical Rifleman Gunfighter ($145).
Any chance for an Attack Pak Reaper belt review? Would also appreciate a review on how comfortable the gravity pouch is with a pack.
Your video on Attack Pak during Shot Show was the first time I've seen their products and I'm leaning towards getting their system over the AXL Eclipse for my first Tegris gun belt.
Just got that one in today actually!! Been playing with it
@@ThinLineDefenseCo Sweet! Looking forward to it.
The G in GBRS Group stands for Gatekeep.
Oooof lol unfortunately true.
It's still better than a hat with big stupid F on it though
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCowhy the hate on forward observations group 😵💫
I don't know why you would want the hook side facing your skin no matter what your wearing.
really good vid dude
The cobra buckle is most definitely being used in helo ops. Blue force gear makes a belt specifically designed to be help rated and they use a cobra buckle. So does every other company. Maybe the lanyard you clip in with needs to open under load. But I don't think all these companies would be using it if it wasn't allowed.
usscom doesn't allow the Cobra buckle. All the current authoritized belts are required to release under load... something a cobra can't do
so while it may be rated, it's kinda stupid if you're hanging and can't get out
-Walsh
Active duty here! Socom does authorize
Try bison belt read were u told someone same thing as this one. Well the outer belt is way better than V2 the inner belt is flimsy but trying cut weight and since the outer is stiff enough it will work. It small round holes cut in it and more of the stiff material is in bison belt than v2. Guess just like anything to do with structure load bearing circles cut out instead of square windows give u more stiffness. Price is what really bad about bison
I’ve run the belt for about four months now, and honestly, I acknowledge your concerns with it, but it’s nowhere near as bad as how much you exaggerated it in this video. I run the GBRS belt and ronin tactics belt while instructing, and were both for hours a day and I don’t notice a difference at all. In between courses, I take off the outer belt and just where the shroud and inner belt. As for the cobra buckle and weight rating, I’m not actively operating, so I don’t require that in a belt, and I doubt most people who buy this belt will need that, either. In the civilian market, I don’t think there is a need for features that the other belts you featured and reviewed on your channel have. This is nothing against you. I just try to look at things realistically and practically but at the end of the day, to each their own. Nevertheless, great video 👍
haha no I agree, the differences of the belts we see can be quite trivial. Some things do annoy the piss out of me but push comes to shove... they all operate as a belt.
And I usually make the videos to be ridiculous so it's at least mildly fun to look at belts all day haha so just enjoy and make your own smart decisions
just know I'm likely being ridiculous lol thanks for the comments and for watching!
-Walsh
Every gun person bitching about HK:
“How dare that company for making military products that they don’t sell to civilians without modifying first!”
Walsh:
“How dare that company for making military products that they do sell to civilians without modifying first!”
We really can’t have it both ways.
Lol you can buy it. I won't stop you.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo Ferro Concepts Bison Belt. Don’t need multiple belts.
I mean, not to be mean but I'm gonna say it, the GBRS belt is complete trash. I would rather buy a safelife defense belt over that belt.
@@nicktruesdell6825 Don't own one. Don't intend to own one. My point is two-faced nature of American pro-militaria consumerism.
Some units issue the ronin belt with the cobra buckle so it could be getting tested liked they say even though we all doubt it.
I own the GBRS Assaulters Belt and use it. I did not know it was so bad till I watched this review. I do not test all belts on the market so I have a limited perspective compared to someone that does short term testing. I have seen other reviews on this belt, those folks have switched over to the GBRS Assaulters Belt from what they previously used that you have ranked higher in your review, you can find those reviews doing a quick search on RUclips. I switched over to the GBRS Assaulters Belt from what I was previously using and find it to be a better solution. I find the available options equipment to be very available if you understand how to implement simple devices. Setting up canted devices was no problem for me.
I think your review is fair from your perspective, others have differing perspectives. I have not tested all Battle belts on the market, I have better things to do. Like using products. I am not saying it is the best Assaulter Belt on the market under your criteria. What percentage of the Civilian market actually has a need for a ASSAULTER BELT? Civilians 0%. The question is how many want one? ???? The Military and Police agencies choose what they want under a criteria that they choose. If they choose to buy the GBRS Assaulters Belt it won't be under your ranking system.
Absolutely spot on!
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo
Just so you may better understand why they do the velcro system more intelligently. If you have ever had the velcro loops facing inwards on an Assaulter Belt towards your love handles all day long and wonder why you are bleeding around your waste at the end of the day. You would end up preferring the softer material facing inward, not a million needles of velcro loops. It is the superior solution. Just try a long hike, with the velcro system that you say you think you prefer, and you will change your mind by nightfall.
@@sanmon1135 I actually found the opposite. I really try to test the belts and I'll usually wear them for a few 8 hour shooting and recording sessions.
I found that the loop side has the same contact regardless of being on inner or outer since it's so close to one another.
A lot of new inner belts that have hook actually have nylon that runs the top and bottom of the belt so this problem is gone.
Oddly, those belts are also half the cost of the the GBRS one with significantly better features.
In the legacy style such as this and since both hook direction feels the same, I don't find the flipped Velcro being worth the inability to use products from the rest of the industry.
The loop is also a wear item. So as on normal belts, you'd only replace the inner belt.... Here you have to buy an entire new belt.
Which is a pretty beautiful middle finger to the customer and an obvious hat tip to a replacement schedule for a government contract.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo
A shooting session and a packed out multi day trip are different.
Made in America means something to me. Foreign is always cheaper.
I am never chasing what is best. I look for improvements. My budgets would go broke always chasing for the best Pistol, Carbine, or Belt. To me it is about learning to use the tools to the best of your abilities. Most tools are much better than the users capabilities. I respect your reviews and glad we have differing opinions on occasion. It makes me think.
Thanks for stepping forward and stepping out and doing your reviews.
@@sanmon1135 same! Thanks for sharing your experience and showing we all don't like the same stuff
Do the Bison belt next…if you’re still alive lol
Nice reviews on belt series. What about Kore Battle belt⁉️ In due time review. Thanks
We DO have a review of the KORE battle belt. I love it
- Not Jason
Welp, thanks for the memories.
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Great review, definitely steered away because of this. Could you do a review on the AWS Inc LAB Belt?
Did you tried the Ferro Concepts bison belt? What is your opinion about it?
I havn't. I need one of those. I have...concerns...about that though.
Good question because it looks like the GBRS and the Ferro and very similar just one has circle cuts the other has square in the Tegris, I’m still leaning towards the Axl though after watching that video. I’m surprised you didn’t like this belt, wish you would’ve sent it to me
Who TF wears a battle belt outside their wetsuit?!?!? I don’t even think seals do that. Also seals end up wearing dry suits more often than wetsuits so they can wear their campus’s under their dry suit. They store the gun belt and other stuff in a dry bag with the rest of their clothing/gear and put it on AFTER they get out of the water!!
I don't think anyone does lol I just had to take that dumb comment and run with it. But this style of belt really makes no sense....particularly at the price point.
It's just a lesson in how to gouge customers.
-Walsh
Any plans to review the AWS SMU belt?
Thanks for the detailed and honest opinions. Doing the community a great service.
I certainly can, AWS is the OEM for Ronin so it's a lot of the same. I would expect very minor differences from the ronin but half the cost....seeing how they come from the same place.
-Walsh
I love belts made by companies that sell fake plates
Wait a minute...I haven't heard this story
- Jason
@@ThinLineDefenseCo so they released these super light super high speed whatever plates, and it turns out they didn’t actually meet ballistic ratings.
Surprised the Safe Life Defense Tactical Belt isn’t on the list. Maybe it ain’t cool guy enough because they don’t have multicam. Lol Great video though. Rock on🤙
no I've heard really really good things. Particularly as a duty belt. Just got busy and never got one to try out!
@@ThinLineDefenseCo for the price can’t go wrong. Checks everything in my box.
“Operators” don’t use the toilet. Gosh. Everyone knows that.
Have you checked out the Snake Eater Tactical belt. I like mine.
haha "only the pleebs poop"
Snake eater? No, I should check that out.
-Walsh
You should do a belt review on BDStactical, been rocking there modular belt with the polymer buckle for a few years for range use. There budget friendly as well.
Yes, you know what works and what doesn’t with…wait for it….experience! Whoooooooooooooooo.
well I have experience wearing and trying like 50... this one is a hot no
you may enjoy it!
What holster did you use for the 2011 on this belt been trying to find one for a decent price
It's in the loadout video but that's the HCM. It's absolutely killer and even has level 2 with the sls hood. We have a discount code with them too! TLDco
Thanks for this review and belt recommendations. Have you checked out their V3? They’ve updated the inner belt, but I’m still super skeptical about the hook Velcro on the inner being that I feel it would rip my belt loops to shreds.
Idk what to get 🥴
Between the HRT ARC, DM Mech, and the new Agilite Belt....I have no reason why you'd get the V3. There are just so many better options from companies NOT actively trying to rip you off.
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo thanks, im going to check those out and try to narrow it down. I may just be thinking too hard about it, but I like to buy once, ya know?
@@ThinLineDefenseCo Agilite is looking like the move, thanks!
I don't have one in hand... yet... but it looks great! I think it'll be a good call
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo I lied. Just watched your mech belt review. But sheesh, 9 week lead time on that thing.
Totally agree Walsh. Belt sucks…plus it’s a rip off of the FERRO belt with squares vs holes cut in Tigris.
What up dad! Is the ferro inner belt better? Lots of folks want to see that so I was gonna grab the bison in the near future.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo well I think it’s good but don’t take my word for it. CHeck out these dudes - all Fmr Tier 1 ground branch, devgru & unit guys. They just talked thru their gunfighter belt and it was the Bison. He also crapped shade on GBRS belt a tad lol - ruclips.net/video/LUfhmkzoCSA/видео.html
If GBRS is marketing to Tier-1 folks as many argue in the comments, there sub count will never reach very high. They know wanna-be's will buy their products. And that is okay.
It is. It is absolutely okay. But for the cost, there are belts twice as good for half the price.
I think it's important folks know that before assuming being a Seal somehow makes you a product design engineer.
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo Agreed and always thought that. The Appeal to Authority is the logic fallacy being used here.
Not bashing these fine gentleman, but they need to get some advice on pricing.
gbrs simps gonna hate this video
theyre too busy transferring knowledge (the most basic general combat information available to anyone with internet access)
if you think this belt is bad wait until you get your hands on a ferro bison
haha i heard this....
It's honestly nice to see things talked about in a non partisan way instead of with emotional investment because of either money spent or love of the creators of the product. What's your thoughts on the ferro concepts bison bekt?
I havn't seen it. Mostly because the price and design puts it squarely in the "Meh" category. It's like generation 1.5 when other belts are at gen3 (HRT and DM)...and the bison is twice the cost.
The bison just doesn't make much sense in the current market.
-Walsh
@Thin Line Defense Co I appreciate the response. I'm shopping around for a first belt, and I want to buy once cry once. People sing its praises in gear groups, so I appreciate the honesty.
Would like to see you review Arbor Arms belts & carriers.
Yea I should do more of their stuff. I really love the arbor arms gear!
-Walsh
Lead Devil or Blue Alpha for outer and Tenicore for EDC.
ohhh yea good call. Lead devil showing up on the channel shorlty.
-Walsh
TU LAM OF RONIN TACTICS DID IT WHY CAN'T THEY
well this video saved me 200 bucks
Yes!!!! You're welcome in advance!
- Jason
Does a TekLok fit over the GBRS belt?
Yea it does! It pairs well with the adapters from guardian warrior solutions too.
-Walsh
Do the ferro bison ya chachi
hah alright but it's got the same design but an even worse outer belt.
I'll get that one and share it.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo haha… I just like watching you suffer…. But I wear the bison everyday for duty and so far I think it’s pretty good
@@mikea556 well if folks really like it, maybe I'm missing something! I'll get one and mess with it
@@ThinLineDefenseCo well that’s just because you’re not a goon, or op8rator, or wizard, or whatever the 16 year old kid who has every FOG and Supdef drop with his moms credit card calls me.
For real though, I’ve tried out a lot of belts over the last 10 years and the bison is so far my current favourite for wearing every day for 12-14 hours. The one hitch though…. Same as the gbrs, the inner belt sucks donkey dick. I use another stiffer inner and tossed the ferro in the pile of forgotten kit in my basement.
@@mikea556 noted!! I'll include your thoughts
I'm guessing someone's (GBRS) is going to be Butt hurt after today:) Watch out for all those fanboys trolls. Lol
Review safe life defense belt please... it's the same idea, but would love to hear your opinion
two safe life requests in two hours on the same video.
Please tell me you aren't paid to request videos.
Tell Safe life to answer our emails and I'll review it
-Walsh
No sir. Just use it as a duty belt for work. Just wanted your thoughts on it.
A bit ridiculous lol even If it was for wet suits there are definitely more than 8 people that need it or may want it. I mean you have it and its not like you really "need" it but many may want it. There are 150 active Army divers 1,225 active Navy divers 128,000 certified PADI divers Oh and the 3 million registered divers just in the US alone that could use it. But the one thing I can assure you Is that this belt and its design has absolutely nothing to do with wetsuits...
hahah I meant folks with wet suits that need that belt.... and I'm with you, 8 may have been generous.
-Walsh
Why not just get a Kore Essentials
We did a review on that one as well
- Jason
I love all of mine.
SEALs don't need to go to the bathroom brah!
Sorry another big thing! On the Ronin belts just go buy AWS belts save money because they make the Ronin belts for Ronin.
Ha ha ha yep sometime being operators doesn’t mean we should be designing anything
You should check out the aws smu belt ive been loving mine i run it with a blue alpha gear inner belt
that is a great belt. AWS is the OEM for Ronin so I'm sure it's the same high quality.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo Thats awesome good to hear
Do Ferro bison next please
I have this belt an absolutely love it. It’s the best belt I’ve owned. Does everything I need it to and then some. This review is pretty much out to shit on the belt from the first word out of your mouth. Almost like it’s a grasp at gaining some attention. But to each their own.
does it work well with your wet suit?
lol
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo Although I don't think he is commenting with the best interests, I have to argue in the GBRS belt's favour. I have owned half of the belt you mentioned here and it's no way near as bad as you stated; at least, if you look at the outer belt... The tegris actually permanently fixes some of the issues I have with nylon stretching out over time which is a minor gripe but definitely something worth paying the ridiculous premium for my personal needs. Sure, the AXL does that as well but I find it to be slightly less comfortable than the assaulter. If I were to design a perfect belt, I would have gone with CHLK's low profile velcro, GBRS's tegris implementation and AXL's price point and blue alpha's inner belt.
It helps when you put it on correctly… can’t bash something you don’t know how to use lol. I have a gbrs and in love with it, those guys have more experience than over half these guys on RUclips, and gbrs has a TON of experience tweaking other belts/gear to benefit them in the field. I love it and everything else I’ve gotten from them has been golden. Great solid belt than you can EDC/ADC comfortably and reliability.
Hahahahahahahaha hahahaha
- Not Jason
I see Jason already laughed at you before I could.... Bastard hahaha
having experience doesn't make a trash product good.... holy moly lol
-Walsh
im sure you and your boyfriend knowledge transfer all over each other every night huh? goobers gonna goob
Wow! This belt is even more of a mess than I thought. I’d rather run an old one piece 2 inch duty belt with the big old plastic buckle.
*he says as he runs an old one piece 2 inch duty belt with the big old plastic buckle.
The big ol’ plastic buckle with the belt keepers?
*As i keep using my same 2” Duty belt with Keepers and fuck all the velcro*
Weird how this guy was never seen or heard from again after making this video….
Don't put that evil on me Ricky Bobby...
What if, you put the edc cover on the belt, then put the belt on? Might help it work better.
on the inner belt? I don't think you can do that lol
@@ThinLineDefenseCo you can if you attack the outer belt cover a certain way
“The more things change, the more they stay the same.” 👀🤷♂️
Expected nothing more from GBRS lmao
Given that fact that GBRS is new to the game... even thou both dudes are retire Team Six Seals.... can give them a pass on not being the greatest belt design.
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Terrible sense of humor…
well the videos are better than the cry babies in the comments section!
ka-zinga!
-Walsh
I think you're exaggerating, Walsh. Who takes their belt off to poop?
I like it..
Jeezus! Let's hope this review lights a fire under their motive to create better stuff, if that's the market they really want to enter. My lord, smh
Thank you I almost bought this shitty belt. GBRS should be ashamed to sale the belt.
GBRS = F+
1nd!
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Dnt wanna burst ur bubble. But if u keep up with GBRS u would knw tht they design all their kit from the suggestions of their audience. But u r untitled to ur opinion.
wht?
POV: you don’t actually know anything about a product, who it’s actually marketed to, IE not civilians. And do any research on why things are they way they are with a product. This is easily close to the best if not the best belt in the market for what it’s actually made for.
obviously not. I laughed just giving it away. whoever this is for, it isn't civilians. And if I got this issued, I'd be pissed.
as I said in the video you didn't watch, whatever market exists for these, is hilariously small.
and you bring home my point perfectly. Don't buy this if you're a civilian.
-Walsh
good review bruh but really, ur the only dude saying a lot of bad shit about this belt, all the others that i saw reviwing it said otherwise, some of them said it was their favorite belt, some of them said its a decent belt but they prefer other desings... i think is kinda weird the way you talk about this belt bro, i really can`t belive you are being honest, it might not be the belt for you and for a lot of people, it IS expensive yes, but you really can not say its a terrible belt come on now man
ehhh I'm one of the rare that has 20 or more belts. I certainly want you to have your own opinion but this belt is literally more expensive for less features
if you're a fan of goobers, it's great. If you want a good belt, it sucks
-Walsh
I’ll give you $150 for it.
I'll give it away for free lol
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo you want my address 😂
@@KT-rp9ud have you received it?😂
@GBRSGroup
lol you trying to tattle? They know this belt is horrible
-Walsh