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Jay, I think your forgiveness mapping of the face is one of the best innovations that I have seen in golf club reviews. For those of us who occasionally get the ball a little thin the HMP looks like it would give us a little extra help. Keep up the great work.
The heat map evolution is amazing and is getting better with every model upgrade.. We are putting in a log of work behind the scenes to get ready for the Driver releases coming very soon. It proves to cut through the marketing sales pitches and really get down to the reality of how good and forgiving the Roll and Bulge faces are of wood designs 👍 All can be accessed by my RUclips Members on my Discord at their leisure 👍
I lost all power to the hurricane and been out 5 days expecting 5 more for . First time getting signal and I get Jay and a comparison video. Hanging in over here.
A lot of hard work goes into them so I'm glad you find them useful.... Unfortunately they aren't the snazy cinematic production of some others but I believe in substance over subjectivity 👍👍
Bucket loads of work has gone into the production and evolution of the concept to try and bring you guys the very best in information that allow you to make the best decision possible when spending your hard earned money 👍
Glad you like it, took a lot of work to be able to get it in this format. Really pushing hard to bring everyone the best, most informative and useful club reviews on RUclips. Thanks for your support 👍
It's taken a lot of work to get to this point and the process promises to evolve even further. Ideas from you guys are so valuable to know what you want and find useful. Glad you enjoyed the new graphics 👍
Excellent review! I’ve been really debating with myself on which model is best for me. Now I’m considering blending both sets thanks to your recommendation.
When i asked this question a few weeks ago you answered it perfectly adequately in a couple of sentences. I think this answer is a tad better tho'....😉 Exactly what I wanted to watch. Great stuff Thanks 😁🍻
If already done a video review of these two, it's an older one pre heatmap but has forgiveness data comparisons for both. I've got the heat maps for both though on my discord. It can be accessed by anyone for general discussions etc, the heat map section and data is open to all my RUclips Members 👍
Great comparison! I have the MP 245 GW-5i all bent 2* weak, so my 5i is 26*. After that I go to the Mizuno ST-Max 230 3 hybrid set to 20*. I would love to test the 925 HM 4i against the 3h and see how they compare. I use tis club as a driving iron on some tees, as a 2nd shot on some par 5s, and a punch out club if I get in trees,
The 245s bent weak must be one for the best spec irons out there. Reduced offset, increased loft, great especially for higher swing speed and slow swing speed golfers who need either the launch or calmer distance benefits 👍
The face heat map is fascinating. A great tool. It makes clear in this case that the Pro 245 is still for pros and single digit handicappers who never hit it far out on the toe and can consistently keep their strike within a 28mm or 1.1 inch horizontal by 14mm or 0.6 inch vertical sweet spot. That is basically the size of a US quarter horizontally and a US nickel vertically. Not very big. A regulation golf ball must be at least 1.68 inches or 42.67mm in diameter. So the Pro 245 sweet spot is not quite two thirds of a single golf ball wide and not quite one third of a golf ball high. The Hot Metal Pro sweet spot is 29-30mm wide and 42-43mm high (the green fades so a bit hard to tell exactly what the cutoff is) so much more generous vertically, which can help those who don't always hit ball first then ground as the pros do. Neither really likes the toe, but the drop off is definitely less for the HMP. Question: I see that each of those tiny numbers on the map is a percent, meaning percent drop in distance if hit there. Who establishes that with such precision? I can't believe someone, or more correctly some machine, hit the face in increments of exactly one mm to produce this incredible detail.
Hi John, without going into crazy amounts of detail, basically I hit a large dataset of shots all around the face and record the efficiency drops (and all other head data directly from GCQuad) and then with a small amount of maths to compensate for any small face to path discrepancies and also differences in loft etc, the efficiency drops are mapped across the face. Now obviously I don't hit every single data point but after enough of them and the larger the dataset the better, but a picture of drop off is slowly mapped across the face. Any differences between 2 data points is averaged off to give an understanding of how it works. On the discord server which is available for you to see for free as a member 👍 if shows the difference between Legacy and New datasets. The legacy datasets are restricted data and so the heat maps don't have the same accuracy resolution as the New massive datasets dumps that create the current heatmaps. The old ones are no where near the resolution of the new but still hold within a decent degree of accuracy True to its performance. The New heatmap reviews are in n much more detail and the degree of accuracy is much much tighter 👍
I'd like to see the titleist irons also but Titleist won't answer the damn phone or emails.... Thinking about carrier pigeon next time and see if that works 😂
Went to a Mizuno demo day yesterday, my swing wasnt really there so i didnt leave with the full details. The fitter and I did decide that I hit the 245 a ton better than all 3 of the Hot Metals which we were both surprised by. The Hot Metal heads are 'heavier than I'm used to' is kind of what we boiled it down to.
According to the data i have access too the HMP and the 245 are only 1gram apart in weight. Depending on what shaft were in each iron there may have been a swing weight difference which is what you felt.
@@Michael.Sandoval33 In any case the fact you felt a difference and it impacted your results would suggest you being sensitive to swing weight and you may benefit to having a fitting a place that can give you options of swing weight choices in the same model head.
Welcome as a new member Michael , check the video description for a link to discord where the community members can chat in real time and ask Jay questions as well as have access to the Data/Heatmaps from all of the reviews. Also there is a members only live stream today at 2pm EST , 7pm BST.
I found similar results. I wanted to like the jpx since I wanted more forgiving game improvement irons, but the practice/demos were pointing towards the 245s. The hot metals(105 s300) felt heavy in the head where as the 245's(115 s300) felt the weight/balance in the shaft. Either way I found much better contact with the 245s where the the hot metals were all over the place. For reference I normally play mp18s with kbs 120.
Could you compare the 2021 HMPs vs the 2025 HMPs? Would be interesting to see if there really is a difference, what did 4 years of development bring? Obviously I have the 2021 version.
How would these 2 compare to the original HMB’s? I have them 4-PW and haven’t found anything to make me change. Even went full set HMB’s as even the scoring clubs performed better for me than going for a mixed set. Appreciate your thoughts?
There was only an incremental update between the original HMB and the 225, however the 245 was quite a step up in Tungsten from that of the 225 so low strikes are more forgiving and also has pretty darn decent launch numbers for it's loft delivery. It may well be worth testing the new 245s against your current gamers, worse case scenario is that there isn't sufficient tangible differences to justify the expense, either way you'll know how much better the 245 irons are for you 👍
It's the amount of tungsten in the head. The 245 launches really well for it's loft and spins a touch less than it's expected loft and it's due to the vertical gearing from the low CG. 👍
You can join the AGN discord server, with also being a channel member you can access our compare tool , which contains heatmaps on all irons Jay has reviewed in the last 12 months.
Any word on 925 forged and tour and what they may bring? I have the 923 forged and love them. I liked the 245 as well, but prefer non-hollow body feel. The 245 were the best feeling hollow body I've hit though.
Forged has already leaked in Asia, can be see with a Google search... No word on Tour as yet. Embargo for any and all products will be Jan 25 and at retail probably early Feb 25 👍
@@AskGolfNuti looked and found they are already available in Japan with people selling them on ebay. There is some information about the clubs out now, I'm assuming from the Japanese market.
I keep hoping for a club that feels like the 243 (because I don't love the crispy hollow feel of the 245) but goes like the 925 HMP for my 82 mph swing ..... maybe when the new JPX forged arrives?
@BrettWaldemar not the jumbo max but I do play with larger than bog standard size, it's just a preference for me but I can understand how a larger grip may help people with certain ailments for sure 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut So, I hit the Pro 245's again but with the Aerotech Steel Fiber shaft. I can't believe how much better they felt than with the Project X IO shafts I tried the first time I hit them. Felt more solid (or something lol ). Ordered and can't wait.
@BrettWaldemar hi Brett, the shaft can be absolutely instrumental in getting the balance of the club correct and therefore strike and feel. Wondering, did your initial fitting not provide you with your required bend profile and then what irons would suit depending on your feel requirements? 👍
Just found your channel and think you're doing an excellent job. I was looking at getting the Takomo 101 or 101t irons, but also have hit the Mizuno JPX925 HM Pro and go on really well with them. Would you say the Takomo 101t is closer to the Mizuno Pro 245 than the HMP? Thanks
The 101T is closer to the 243 than the 245 it terms of ball flight. it is hollow bodied but at 32° its not exactly a bomber. You can compare the heatmaps , advanced club data and more via discord and different level AGN membership.
Face/Heat mapping, wow! Do you have a map of the JPX923 HM vs JPX925 HM? I’m thinking about making the jump to the 925 but you mentioned the 923 might be better on toe hits, my tendency.
There is a 923 vs 925 video that was produced before the heat maps were fully implemented. If you look in the video description there is a link to the AGN discord, you can join there and ask questions , when combined with AGN youtube membership you gain access to heatmaps for all irons from the reviews in the last 12 months
It's a custom divot mat made from Putting turf top, polycarbonate sheet then a mixture of strips of Closed and open cell foam to give it it's shape and cushioning nature 👍
Allows the club to dig into the ground as if there was going to be a fat shot or chunk but without the grabbing and damaging shock to the wrists and elbows 👍
@@AskGolfNut cool - sure I’ve seen tutorial elsewhere on making similar, if I can find I’ll reply here we can confirm same kind of idea. Thanks again - great content 👍
I wish Mizuno would stop with the loft jacking. 30⁰ 7 iron for the 245 is unnecessary. Its direct competitors in the 770 and Apex pro are 33⁰. What % of Mizuno players who need that loft are choosing the 245? That nitpick aside. 245 at 33⁰ against Apex pro and 770 would be a fun comparison. Thanks for the video.
@RaidersGolf19 Hot metal pro would be the 790. Pro 245 is 770. HM pro for i530 too. It's kinda shows my point. Most golfers that need a 30⁰ 7 are going to go HM pro OR more forgiving. The 245 gets redundant at 30⁰ when it should be tailored for the guys in the i230, 770, apex pro, cobra tour, iron category.
@@adambarnes4191wrong. The hot metal pro is a much larger head than the p770. The hot metal pro aligns more with the qi10 game improvement irons in size and loft. The 245 competes in size and loft with the p790. The 243 compete with the p770s in loft and size profile. I’ve hit the 243 and 245 against both the p790 and p770.
@wewewewewe223232323 wrong? Quote me where I said the HM pro is the 770? I didn't because it's too big, just like you said. That's why I said 790. You're wrong. The 245 is smaller than the HM pro. That's why it's comp should be the the 770 if Mizuno was smart.
Guys calm down 😊 the P770 is the baby brother to the P790 and also has most if not all the tech to the P790. The 245, i530 et al were designed at their similar lofts all around 30 degrees to compete with the market share of P790, of which both companies have done well. All of these irons within this range including the coming 925 Forged with the 925 HMP and 245 are bridging irons where golfers can with very few tweaks blend them seemlessly, they are designed to be fairly interchangeable so not to exclude any option... Remember we are all different and will get the benefits from not necessarily the sane equipment. I'm not a fan either of the continuation for stronger lofting, thats why I'm such a fan of the high launch concept. But let's all agree to disagree and have fun playing golf 👍👍👍👍👍👍
I’m sure the 925’s are fantastic irons that perform well but man are they ugly. Not typical Mizuno beauty’s. Glad I grabbed the 923’s when I did. Best irons I’ve ever had
Common feedback for the aesthetics of the new models.... Well on my channel anyways 😊 I've asked other people and they apparently haven't had anyone say anything about the looks.... Although they are trying to sell them 🤣👍
I will never understand why every content creator uses the same 7 iron on these videos when one 7 iron is 32 degrees and the other is 28 degrees…change clubs or adjust the length of the hole. Pretty simple
Hey Guys, COMMENT Below and I'll try to reply to as many as possible. Also PLEASE LIKE and SHARE the Video as it helps greatly its exposure on RUclips 👍
Jay, I think your forgiveness mapping of the face is one of the best innovations that I have seen in golf club reviews. For those of us who occasionally get the ball a little thin the HMP looks like it would give us a little extra help. Keep up the great work.
The heat map evolution is amazing and is getting better with every model upgrade.. We are putting in a log of work behind the scenes to get ready for the Driver releases coming very soon. It proves to cut through the marketing sales pitches and really get down to the reality of how good and forgiving the Roll and Bulge faces are of wood designs 👍
All can be accessed by my RUclips Members on my Discord at their leisure 👍
That heat map is really cool. The best club expert on YT just got even better
Who's that expert you speak of 🤣😉😉 thanks very much for kind words 👍
I lost all power to the hurricane and been out 5 days expecting 5 more for . First time getting signal and I get Jay and a comparison video.
Hanging in over here.
Hey pal, hope you are doing OK over there 🤞🤞👍👍
Jay, you do the most thorough and comprehensive club review/comparisons on youtube. Keep up the good work!
A lot of hard work goes into them so I'm glad you find them useful.... Unfortunately they aren't the snazy cinematic production of some others but I believe in substance over subjectivity 👍👍
@@AskGolfNut usable data beats fancy production that's mostly fluff
@wrexz tell that to the RUclips Algorithm 😂😂
Best reviews on RUclips just getting better and better
Appreciate the very kind words 👍👍
Perfect comparison ... exactly what I've been wanting to see
Glad you enjoyed the video 👍
Thanks Jay , been waiting for this one! Love all your videos
Thank you for your kind words 👍
Heat map graphic is awesome. Best representation I’ve seen on RUclips (or anywhere) of forgiveness
Bucket loads of work has gone into the production and evolution of the concept to try and bring you guys the very best in information that allow you to make the best decision possible when spending your hard earned money 👍
More info than any other video I have seen. Thank you
That heat map is amazing. Great review. I'll be back for more.
It’s great seeing the heat map on top of an iron face. Makes it easier to see where the sweet spot is on an actual club face.
Glad you like it, took a lot of work to be able to get it in this format. Really pushing hard to bring everyone the best, most informative and useful club reviews on RUclips. Thanks for your support 👍
As a confirmed toe strike misser, this level of detail in a review is quite superb. Thank you
Really glad you liked the review and got something from it 👍
I love the face forgiveness mapping, it helps me understand the forgiveness aspect so much more👍
It's taken a lot of work to get to this point and the process promises to evolve even further. Ideas from you guys are so valuable to know what you want and find useful. Glad you enjoyed the new graphics 👍
Results point to the Hot Metal Pro. Only reason to not favor them is if you prefer the sleeker design of the Pro 245.
Yep, absolutely if its function over form then the HMP wins, add in though the aesthetics and the decision gets more tricky 😊
Excellent review! I’ve been really debating with myself on which model is best for me. Now I’m considering blending both sets thanks to your recommendation.
Thanks for the video Jay. Really like the new heat mapping. I currently gaming jpx 919 pro… but want to try the 245’s.
They are a lovely iron and my personal favourite of these two although I play blades so being honest I'm always going to go down that route 😊👍
When i asked this question a few weeks ago you answered it perfectly adequately in a couple of sentences.
I think this answer is a tad better tho'....😉
Exactly what I wanted to watch.
Great stuff
Thanks
😁🍻
A little bit more indepth no doubt 😀👍
Thanks I needed this video
Might go with 245 and hot metal pro in the longer irons
That would be my pick for sure especially if the golfer struggles a little with their longer irons 👍
Awesome video!!! Thx 😊
Glad you enjoyed the video 👍
Great review as always
Streets ahead of any other channel.
Just wish the subscriber and viewers base was streets ahead 😂😂
Wow, great Heatmap!😮
If possible a overview Ping I530 and 245 would be great!👍🏼 Thanks for all your Input!
If already done a video review of these two, it's an older one pre heatmap but has forgiveness data comparisons for both.
I've got the heat maps for both though on my discord. It can be accessed by anyone for general discussions etc, the heat map section and data is open to all my RUclips Members 👍
Great comparison!
I have the MP 245 GW-5i all bent 2* weak, so my 5i is 26*. After that I go to the Mizuno ST-Max 230 3 hybrid set to 20*. I would love to test the 925 HM 4i against the 3h and see how they compare. I use tis club as a driving iron on some tees, as a 2nd shot on some par 5s, and a punch out club if I get in trees,
The 245s bent weak must be one for the best spec irons out there. Reduced offset, increased loft, great especially for higher swing speed and slow swing speed golfers who need either the launch or calmer distance benefits 👍
The face heat map is fascinating. A great tool. It makes clear in this case that the Pro 245 is still for pros and single digit handicappers who never hit it far out on the toe and can consistently keep their strike within a 28mm or 1.1 inch horizontal by 14mm or 0.6 inch vertical sweet spot. That is basically the size of a US quarter horizontally and a US nickel vertically. Not very big. A regulation golf ball must be at least 1.68 inches or 42.67mm in diameter. So the Pro 245 sweet spot is not quite two thirds of a single golf ball wide and not quite one third of a golf ball high. The Hot Metal Pro sweet spot is 29-30mm wide and 42-43mm high (the green fades so a bit hard to tell exactly what the cutoff is) so much more generous vertically, which can help those who don't always hit ball first then ground as the pros do. Neither really likes the toe, but the drop off is definitely less for the HMP.
Question: I see that each of those tiny numbers on the map is a percent, meaning percent drop in distance if hit there. Who establishes that with such precision? I can't believe someone, or more correctly some machine, hit the face in increments of exactly one mm to produce this incredible detail.
Hi John, without going into crazy amounts of detail, basically I hit a large dataset of shots all around the face and record the efficiency drops (and all other head data directly from GCQuad) and then with a small amount of maths to compensate for any small face to path discrepancies and also differences in loft etc, the efficiency drops are mapped across the face. Now obviously I don't hit every single data point but after enough of them and the larger the dataset the better, but a picture of drop off is slowly mapped across the face. Any differences between 2 data points is averaged off to give an understanding of how it works. On the discord server which is available for you to see for free as a member 👍 if shows the difference between Legacy and New datasets. The legacy datasets are restricted data and so the heat maps don't have the same accuracy resolution as the New massive datasets dumps that create the current heatmaps. The old ones are no where near the resolution of the new but still hold within a decent degree of accuracy True to its performance. The New heatmap reviews are in n much more detail and the degree of accuracy is much much tighter 👍
Great heat mapping showing forgiveness. Would like to see my titleist 2021 T100S vs. T150’s
I'd like to see the titleist irons also but Titleist won't answer the damn phone or emails.... Thinking about carrier pigeon next time and see if that works 😂
Went to a Mizuno demo day yesterday, my swing wasnt really there so i didnt leave with the full details. The fitter and I did decide that I hit the 245 a ton better than all 3 of the Hot Metals which we were both surprised by. The Hot Metal heads are 'heavier than I'm used to' is kind of what we boiled it down to.
According to the data i have access too the HMP and the 245 are only 1gram apart in weight. Depending on what shaft were in each iron there may have been a swing weight difference which is what you felt.
Very interesting @@andy_bickleyI was swinging both with the Modus 105 🤔. Not sure why that was the conclusion we both fell on.
@@Michael.Sandoval33 In any case the fact you felt a difference and it impacted your results would suggest you being sensitive to swing weight and you may benefit to having a fitting a place that can give you options of swing weight choices in the same model head.
Welcome as a new member Michael , check the video description for a link to discord where the community members can chat in real time and ask Jay questions as well as have access to the Data/Heatmaps from all of the reviews. Also there is a members only live stream today at 2pm EST , 7pm BST.
I found similar results. I wanted to like the jpx since I wanted more forgiving game improvement irons, but the practice/demos were pointing towards the 245s. The hot metals(105 s300) felt heavy in the head where as the 245's(115 s300) felt the weight/balance in the shaft. Either way I found much better contact with the 245s where the the hot metals were all over the place. For reference I normally play mp18s with kbs 120.
Could you compare the 2021 HMPs vs the 2025 HMPs? Would be interesting to see if there really is a difference, what did 4 years of development bring? Obviously I have the 2021 version.
How would these 2 compare to the original HMB’s? I have them 4-PW and haven’t found anything to make me change. Even went full set HMB’s as even the scoring clubs performed better for me than going for a mixed set. Appreciate your thoughts?
There was only an incremental update between the original HMB and the 225, however the 245 was quite a step up in Tungsten from that of the 225 so low strikes are more forgiving and also has pretty darn decent launch numbers for it's loft delivery. It may well be worth testing the new 245s against your current gamers, worse case scenario is that there isn't sufficient tangible differences to justify the expense, either way you'll know how much better the 245 irons are for you 👍
Great video! What shaft were you playing? I'm assuming the same in both, correct!
If I was to do a combo set with these, any recommendations on where to blend them?
Just love the immense data available here Jay! Curious though why the 245 spun a little less despite its 2deg weaker loft?!
It's the amount of tungsten in the head. The 245 launches really well for it's loft and spins a touch less than it's expected loft and it's due to the vertical gearing from the low CG. 👍
Great information with face mapping. Would be great to see broader comparison (e.g., i530, HMP, pxg gen 7, apex ti, zx5)
Best players distance irons of 2024? 👍
You can join the AGN discord server, with also being a channel member you can access our compare tool , which contains heatmaps on all irons Jay has reviewed in the last 12 months.
Any word on 925 forged and tour and what they may bring? I have the 923 forged and love them. I liked the 245 as well, but prefer non-hollow body feel. The 245 were the best feeling hollow body I've hit though.
@richardwm2 pretty sure they will drop jan/Feb 2025. Not sure if info will leak sooner
can't wait to watch Jay's new vs old jpx forged!
Forged has already leaked in Asia, can be see with a Google search... No word on Tour as yet.
Embargo for any and all products will be Jan 25 and at retail probably early Feb 25 👍
@@AskGolfNuti looked and found they are already available in Japan with people selling them on ebay. There is some information about the clubs out now, I'm assuming from the Japanese market.
Hot metal pro would be my choice, but with my slow swing speed I might want to try the HL
Absolutely the HL is the pick of the bunch for ultimate forgiveness and slow swinging golfers 👍
I keep hoping for a club that feels like the 243 (because I don't love the crispy hollow feel of the 245) but goes like the 925 HMP for my 82 mph swing ..... maybe when the new JPX forged arrives?
Not long to wait now Brett 😊👍🏻👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut Off topic but have you experimented with larger diameter grips? JumboMax or such? I'm having a little arthritis in my hands .....
@BrettWaldemar not the jumbo max but I do play with larger than bog standard size, it's just a preference for me but I can understand how a larger grip may help people with certain ailments for sure 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut So, I hit the Pro 245's again but with the Aerotech Steel Fiber shaft. I can't believe how much better they felt than with the Project X IO shafts I tried the first time I hit them. Felt more solid (or something lol ). Ordered and can't wait.
@BrettWaldemar hi Brett, the shaft can be absolutely instrumental in getting the balance of the club correct and therefore strike and feel. Wondering, did your initial fitting not provide you with your required bend profile and then what irons would suit depending on your feel requirements? 👍
Just found your channel and think you're doing an excellent job. I was looking at getting the Takomo 101 or 101t irons, but also have hit the Mizuno JPX925 HM Pro and go on really well with them. Would you say the Takomo 101t is closer to the Mizuno Pro 245 than the HMP? Thanks
The 101T is closer to the 243 than the 245 it terms of ball flight. it is hollow bodied but at 32° its not exactly a bomber. You can compare the heatmaps , advanced club data and more via discord and different level AGN membership.
Can these be easily bent being cast?
2 deg weak these could play really nice.
Or at that point should you just play with the HL?
I'm currently able to pre-order the 925HM PRO in online stores, up-to 2 week or 2 strong. But yes testing the HL at 31 would be worth the effort.
These could be an alternative if you want a smaller iron / less offset but prefer the traditional lofts.
Face/Heat mapping, wow! Do you have a map of the JPX923 HM vs JPX925 HM? I’m thinking about making the jump to the 925 but you mentioned the 923 might be better on toe hits, my tendency.
There is a 923 vs 925 video that was produced before the heat maps were fully implemented. If you look in the video description there is a link to the AGN discord, you can join there and ask questions , when combined with AGN youtube membership you gain access to heatmaps for all irons from the reviews in the last 12 months
Could you comment (heat-mapping info) regarding the comparison of the JPX 919 Forged and 925 HMP? It would be much appreciated!
I'm not sure I have any data on the old 919, its quite a few models back. I'll have a look through my archive to see if I can find any data.....👍
Hi Jay - what is the hitting insert you use in your studio?
Many thanks
It's a custom divot mat made from Putting turf top, polycarbonate sheet then a mixture of strips of Closed and open cell foam to give it it's shape and cushioning nature 👍
Allows the club to dig into the ground as if there was going to be a fat shot or chunk but without the grabbing and damaging shock to the wrists and elbows 👍
@@AskGolfNut cool - sure I’ve seen tutorial elsewhere on making similar, if I can find I’ll reply here we can confirm same kind of idea.
Thanks again - great content 👍
@DamianMcVey thanks, and yes I got the idea from a video on YT so we a stew both thinking of the same I believe 👍
I wish Mizuno would stop with the loft jacking. 30⁰ 7 iron for the 245 is unnecessary. Its direct competitors in the 770 and Apex pro are 33⁰. What % of Mizuno players who need that loft are choosing the 245?
That nitpick aside. 245 at 33⁰ against Apex pro and 770 would be a fun comparison. Thanks for the video.
I agree with you. But I think these are designed to compete against P790s. Or PING i530s? Not P770? 🤷♂️
@RaidersGolf19 Hot metal pro would be the 790. Pro 245 is 770. HM pro for i530 too. It's kinda shows my point. Most golfers that need a 30⁰ 7 are going to go HM pro OR more forgiving. The 245 gets redundant at 30⁰ when it should be tailored for the guys in the i230, 770, apex pro, cobra tour, iron category.
@@adambarnes4191wrong. The hot metal pro is a much larger head than the p770. The hot metal pro aligns more with the qi10 game improvement irons in size and loft. The 245 competes in size and loft with the p790. The 243 compete with the p770s in loft and size profile. I’ve hit the 243 and 245 against both the p790 and p770.
@wewewewewe223232323 wrong? Quote me where I said the HM pro is the 770? I didn't because it's too big, just like you said. That's why I said 790. You're wrong. The 245 is smaller than the HM pro. That's why it's comp should be the the 770 if Mizuno was smart.
Guys calm down 😊 the P770 is the baby brother to the P790 and also has most if not all the tech to the P790. The 245, i530 et al were designed at their similar lofts all around 30 degrees to compete with the market share of P790, of which both companies have done well.
All of these irons within this range including the coming 925 Forged with the 925 HMP and 245 are bridging irons where golfers can with very few tweaks blend them seemlessly, they are designed to be fairly interchangeable so not to exclude any option...
Remember we are all different and will get the benefits from not necessarily the sane equipment. I'm not a fan either of the continuation for stronger lofting, thats why I'm such a fan of the high launch concept. But let's all agree to disagree and have fun playing golf 👍👍👍👍👍👍
I’m sure the 925’s are fantastic irons that perform well but man are they ugly. Not typical Mizuno beauty’s. Glad I grabbed the 923’s when I did. Best irons I’ve ever had
Common feedback for the aesthetics of the new models.... Well on my channel anyways 😊 I've asked other people and they apparently haven't had anyone say anything about the looks.... Although they are trying to sell them 🤣👍
I will never understand why every content creator uses the same 7 iron on these videos when one 7 iron is 32 degrees and the other is 28 degrees…change clubs or adjust the length of the hole. Pretty simple
Looking forward to seeing your reviews in the future.
Holy shit that heat mapping is amazing. Heat map of 925-923’s? 👉🏼👈🏼🥹
Glad you enjoyed the new forgiveness graphic 👍