Go Out Of Phase To Get A Better Guitar Tone

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  • Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2024

Комментарии • 41

  • @drrodopszin
    @drrodopszin Год назад +2

    I was playing with this and it really opened my brain up. I came up with something that can be a feature either in Mikko 2 or a standalone IR loader. In Reaper there is a "3-band splitter" which splits the frequency range into 3 channels (low-mid-high) but without messing with phase (so the 3 channels combined can be nulled with the original signal). I invert the phase of the 3 channels, so there's nothing audible, then I use "time delayer" reaper plugin which allows you to nudge a channel's audio either by milliseconds or by samples. Adding a couple of samples to the high channel pulls out the harshness just like you show here, and then when I flip back the polarity then those nasty frequencies are gone! The big difference between this method and the one you show here that because I split the signal, the lower parts are not affected and also you can apply it with prerecorded cabinets. Where some UI magic could help this is creating a knob or a slider that only goes 1 sample at a time (it sucks to use num pad to type in the sample delay). I hope you guys did not get lost. Same delay/phase idea as in video, just applied to a cab'd track.

  • @bobwarren4707
    @bobwarren4707 Год назад +3

    I tried the phase flip trick and wow. That really works. So much more clarity and easy enough to do. Thank you for such a great product and these great demo's Mikko!

    • @mlsoundlab
      @mlsoundlab  Год назад +1

      Thank you so much! These are really cool tricks for finding things mic positions that work together amazingly. :)

  • @mattwhite399
    @mattwhite399 Год назад +2

    Thank you for including this capability in this plug-in! Absolutely killer for live amp micing, but I haven’t seen it built into an impulse / cab plug-in yet!

    • @mlsoundlab
      @mlsoundlab  Год назад

      Thank you! Glad you're loving it 🙏
      -Kai

  • @DoveSimon
    @DoveSimon Год назад +3

    I remember watching your first video on phase reverse trickery. It's such a cool technique and now we have a phase latency drift knob? It's an awesome time to be a guitar player. Thank you!

    • @mlsoundlab
      @mlsoundlab  Год назад +1

      Oh for sure! Fine tuning phase can make or break your guitar tone. This is where the tone is made - now with the amp EQ. :P

  • @MeTuLHeD
    @MeTuLHeD Год назад +1

    The cancellation is in essence a subtle EQ.

  • @woodward_alan
    @woodward_alan Год назад +1

    Mind blown! The moment i realized that my dialing in a bad tone skills can turn into a good tone with a button switch.

  • @fromaggio7654
    @fromaggio7654 6 дней назад

    I find that using this trick old amp sims work very well

  • @djabthrash
    @djabthrash Год назад

    Great video
    I use that often when doing a Fredman technique on my Two Notes torpedo plugins.

  • @kuzWich
    @kuzWich Год назад +1

    Amusing. That's how I used to deal highs back in amplitube 4 days. As soon as I realized the toanz power of the cabs, I was set to get my tones on the cab mic-ing side instead of EQs, pedals and such

  • @Brockstar
    @Brockstar Год назад +1

    Another amazing video, thank you, Mikko! Quick explanation, followed by exemplary demonstrations.

  • @JenyaIsJustChilling
    @JenyaIsJustChilling Год назад +3

    I used 3+ sets of different amp sims and cabinets on couple of my tracks and demos, and it sounds weak.
    I thought if i put 3 good sounds together it becomes even better, but in reality it doesn't work that way.
    So now I'm thinking of re-amping those guitars again, with only one Amp sim and cabinet + using some EQ matching (my choice is band called OSI, created by Kevin Moore, Jim Matheos, and Mike Portnoy - Jim has really good sound on all OSI's albums)

    • @JenyaIsJustChilling
      @JenyaIsJustChilling Год назад

      I also tried to use EQ split, lows and mids from one amp, and highs from another, but it still sounds weird.

    • @mlsoundlab
      @mlsoundlab  Год назад +3

      Less is more definitely. Yes you can add up to 9 mics but in reality the more mics you add the less influence each mic has. 2-3 is maximum for me personally. Same goes for amps - if you want more width you can experiment with more different amps but overall if you want a punchy and focused guitar tone use the same amp and cab on both sides and that's better.

  • @groopuskul
    @groopuskul Год назад +1

    Thank you , that was very helpful. Gonna try this, 😊

    • @mlsoundlab
      @mlsoundlab  Год назад

      Have fun! It's geeky but oh so nice

  • @xrichalex1791
    @xrichalex1791 Год назад

    Great Great !! this is an amazing tone. YEAH!

    • @mlsoundlab
      @mlsoundlab  Год назад

      Thank you ever so much! 💪
      -Kai

  • @Tony-yp7ok
    @Tony-yp7ok Год назад +1

    I think Carlos Santana’s gorgeous tone on Samba Pa Ti has 2 mics slightly out of phase (as well as a half cocked wah). I couldn’t nail it until I put the mics out of phase

    • @mlsoundlab
      @mlsoundlab  Год назад +1

      That's quite possible! People didn't worry about those things that much back in the day. 😅

  • @MetalHeadPyro510
    @MetalHeadPyro510 Год назад

    Is there a pedal that can pull it out of phase with a knob like that to make high gain more pleasing?

  • @pjmtry7
    @pjmtry7 Год назад +1

    Dang Cool!

  • @Carlos-gm8tt
    @Carlos-gm8tt Год назад +1

    Thanks dude 🤘🤘🤘

  • @johnhawk8624
    @johnhawk8624 Год назад +2

    Great demo! Maybe try something besides metal for the rest of us. Thanks!

    • @mlsoundlab
      @mlsoundlab  Год назад

      I though I went for a good mix with open chords and a bit of palm muting. Definitely want to bring some variety into all these things! Thanks for the feedback!

  • @fingee4005
    @fingee4005 Год назад +2

    What about 2 guitars at the same time? How to deal with phase...

    • @jesus4pincho
      @jesus4pincho Год назад +1

      For me, the most of the phase problems with doubletracked guitars usually come from performance!

    • @mlsoundlab
      @mlsoundlab  Год назад +4

      If it's two separate takes then that's not going to cause a phase issue. Same reason why you have to double track guitars rather than just copying two of the same take and pan the left or right. I hope I understood your question properly. Phase issues come from the same exact guitar take and then having some delay/latency on one of the tracks in relation to the other one.

  • @inspiringminds7284
    @inspiringminds7284 Год назад

    Hey Mikko, can you use this to Tone match and then export that to the FM9 for example?

    • @mlsoundlab
      @mlsoundlab  Год назад

      You can export IRs from the MIKKO2 plugin and load them into most modellers that accept IRs - I believe you'll need to convert them to .syx using CabLab to import them into the Fractal FM9 💪
      -Kai

  • @geoazakura9297
    @geoazakura9297 10 месяцев назад

    I need a Mikko2 pedal like tonex pedal!!!

    • @mlsoundlab
      @mlsoundlab  10 месяцев назад +1

      That would be pretty powerful for sure, thanks for the suggestion!
      -Kai

  • @JedrekRyker
    @JedrekRyker 11 месяцев назад

    okay... Mikko is making it really hard to not buy everything he puts out... XD

  • @tristanw7408
    @tristanw7408 Год назад

    I kinda love the reverse phase sound lol. absolutely sickening.