I was playing with this and it really opened my brain up. I came up with something that can be a feature either in Mikko 2 or a standalone IR loader. In Reaper there is a "3-band splitter" which splits the frequency range into 3 channels (low-mid-high) but without messing with phase (so the 3 channels combined can be nulled with the original signal). I invert the phase of the 3 channels, so there's nothing audible, then I use "time delayer" reaper plugin which allows you to nudge a channel's audio either by milliseconds or by samples. Adding a couple of samples to the high channel pulls out the harshness just like you show here, and then when I flip back the polarity then those nasty frequencies are gone! The big difference between this method and the one you show here that because I split the signal, the lower parts are not affected and also you can apply it with prerecorded cabinets. Where some UI magic could help this is creating a knob or a slider that only goes 1 sample at a time (it sucks to use num pad to type in the sample delay). I hope you guys did not get lost. Same delay/phase idea as in video, just applied to a cab'd track.
I remember watching your first video on phase reverse trickery. It's such a cool technique and now we have a phase latency drift knob? It's an awesome time to be a guitar player. Thank you!
I tried the phase flip trick and wow. That really works. So much more clarity and easy enough to do. Thank you for such a great product and these great demo's Mikko!
Thank you for including this capability in this plug-in! Absolutely killer for live amp micing, but I haven’t seen it built into an impulse / cab plug-in yet!
Amusing. That's how I used to deal highs back in amplitube 4 days. As soon as I realized the toanz power of the cabs, I was set to get my tones on the cab mic-ing side instead of EQs, pedals and such
I used 3+ sets of different amp sims and cabinets on couple of my tracks and demos, and it sounds weak. I thought if i put 3 good sounds together it becomes even better, but in reality it doesn't work that way. So now I'm thinking of re-amping those guitars again, with only one Amp sim and cabinet + using some EQ matching (my choice is band called OSI, created by Kevin Moore, Jim Matheos, and Mike Portnoy - Jim has really good sound on all OSI's albums)
Less is more definitely. Yes you can add up to 9 mics but in reality the more mics you add the less influence each mic has. 2-3 is maximum for me personally. Same goes for amps - if you want more width you can experiment with more different amps but overall if you want a punchy and focused guitar tone use the same amp and cab on both sides and that's better.
I think Carlos Santana’s gorgeous tone on Samba Pa Ti has 2 mics slightly out of phase (as well as a half cocked wah). I couldn’t nail it until I put the mics out of phase
I though I went for a good mix with open chords and a bit of palm muting. Definitely want to bring some variety into all these things! Thanks for the feedback!
If it's two separate takes then that's not going to cause a phase issue. Same reason why you have to double track guitars rather than just copying two of the same take and pan the left or right. I hope I understood your question properly. Phase issues come from the same exact guitar take and then having some delay/latency on one of the tracks in relation to the other one.
You can export IRs from the MIKKO2 plugin and load them into most modellers that accept IRs - I believe you'll need to convert them to .syx using CabLab to import them into the Fractal FM9 💪 -Kai
I was playing with this and it really opened my brain up. I came up with something that can be a feature either in Mikko 2 or a standalone IR loader. In Reaper there is a "3-band splitter" which splits the frequency range into 3 channels (low-mid-high) but without messing with phase (so the 3 channels combined can be nulled with the original signal). I invert the phase of the 3 channels, so there's nothing audible, then I use "time delayer" reaper plugin which allows you to nudge a channel's audio either by milliseconds or by samples. Adding a couple of samples to the high channel pulls out the harshness just like you show here, and then when I flip back the polarity then those nasty frequencies are gone! The big difference between this method and the one you show here that because I split the signal, the lower parts are not affected and also you can apply it with prerecorded cabinets. Where some UI magic could help this is creating a knob or a slider that only goes 1 sample at a time (it sucks to use num pad to type in the sample delay). I hope you guys did not get lost. Same delay/phase idea as in video, just applied to a cab'd track.
This sounds even better. Great idea
The cancellation is in essence a subtle EQ.
I remember watching your first video on phase reverse trickery. It's such a cool technique and now we have a phase latency drift knob? It's an awesome time to be a guitar player. Thank you!
Oh for sure! Fine tuning phase can make or break your guitar tone. This is where the tone is made - now with the amp EQ. :P
I tried the phase flip trick and wow. That really works. So much more clarity and easy enough to do. Thank you for such a great product and these great demo's Mikko!
Thank you so much! These are really cool tricks for finding things mic positions that work together amazingly. :)
Thank you for including this capability in this plug-in! Absolutely killer for live amp micing, but I haven’t seen it built into an impulse / cab plug-in yet!
Thank you! Glad you're loving it 🙏
-Kai
Mind blown! The moment i realized that my dialing in a bad tone skills can turn into a good tone with a button switch.
Amusing. That's how I used to deal highs back in amplitube 4 days. As soon as I realized the toanz power of the cabs, I was set to get my tones on the cab mic-ing side instead of EQs, pedals and such
Great video
I use that often when doing a Fredman technique on my Two Notes torpedo plugins.
I used 3+ sets of different amp sims and cabinets on couple of my tracks and demos, and it sounds weak.
I thought if i put 3 good sounds together it becomes even better, but in reality it doesn't work that way.
So now I'm thinking of re-amping those guitars again, with only one Amp sim and cabinet + using some EQ matching (my choice is band called OSI, created by Kevin Moore, Jim Matheos, and Mike Portnoy - Jim has really good sound on all OSI's albums)
I also tried to use EQ split, lows and mids from one amp, and highs from another, but it still sounds weird.
Less is more definitely. Yes you can add up to 9 mics but in reality the more mics you add the less influence each mic has. 2-3 is maximum for me personally. Same goes for amps - if you want more width you can experiment with more different amps but overall if you want a punchy and focused guitar tone use the same amp and cab on both sides and that's better.
Another amazing video, thank you, Mikko! Quick explanation, followed by exemplary demonstrations.
Thank you Brockie!!
I find that using this trick old amp sims work very well
I think Carlos Santana’s gorgeous tone on Samba Pa Ti has 2 mics slightly out of phase (as well as a half cocked wah). I couldn’t nail it until I put the mics out of phase
That's quite possible! People didn't worry about those things that much back in the day. 😅
Great Great !! this is an amazing tone. YEAH!
Thank you ever so much! 💪
-Kai
Thank you , that was very helpful. Gonna try this, 😊
Have fun! It's geeky but oh so nice
Is there a pedal that can pull it out of phase with a knob like that to make high gain more pleasing?
Thanks dude 🤘🤘🤘
Thanks!!
Dang Cool!
Thanks buddy!
Great demo! Maybe try something besides metal for the rest of us. Thanks!
I though I went for a good mix with open chords and a bit of palm muting. Definitely want to bring some variety into all these things! Thanks for the feedback!
What about 2 guitars at the same time? How to deal with phase...
For me, the most of the phase problems with doubletracked guitars usually come from performance!
If it's two separate takes then that's not going to cause a phase issue. Same reason why you have to double track guitars rather than just copying two of the same take and pan the left or right. I hope I understood your question properly. Phase issues come from the same exact guitar take and then having some delay/latency on one of the tracks in relation to the other one.
Hey Mikko, can you use this to Tone match and then export that to the FM9 for example?
You can export IRs from the MIKKO2 plugin and load them into most modellers that accept IRs - I believe you'll need to convert them to .syx using CabLab to import them into the Fractal FM9 💪
-Kai
I need a Mikko2 pedal like tonex pedal!!!
That would be pretty powerful for sure, thanks for the suggestion!
-Kai
okay... Mikko is making it really hard to not buy everything he puts out... XD
I kinda love the reverse phase sound lol. absolutely sickening.