Guitar Pickup Phase Explained
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In this video we explain what guitar pickup phasing is. When is a pickup out of phase?
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Minute for minute, that was probably the most informative guitar lesson I’ve ever watched. Thank you.
To add to this: when I assembled my now 41 years old Partscaster, I tried out different combinations of pick-ups. At one point I noticed that the Bill Lawrence L250 (stacked) had a different polarity to my other two choices, a Seymour Duncan Quarter Pounder and a Fender X-1. So I tried the reversed electricity option on the BL, with the Fender in the neck, the B Lawrence in the middle and the Duncan in the bridge. It gives beautiful tones, with my favorite position 4 - bridge/middle.
I also installed parallel/series switches with great results.
Great, love getting nerdy about gutair tech and how in depth and clearly you explain the science.
Nobody has ever been able to explain this!!! Helped me understand so much!!! Glad you are out there!!!
Your knowledge is awesome thank you ,learning a lot and enjoying it along the way my Strat is MoD now boy... yeah man.
thank you for these videos. they are great, very useful.
Now I get it! Thank you very much for the explanation!
HELL ya Dylan if you guys or just you are going to set up some online classes from Texas Toast Guitar’s count me in, I’ve been dying to learn a bunch of stuff about the electronics involved in guitar building but besides binge watching your RUclips videos there ain’t really anyone else out there that I trust to teach me right. Having all that information in one spot to refer to would be freaking awesome! Hope you do it!
I started following you... on one previous video I’ve mentioned how I made the polarity checker myself.
Awesome video, thank you for this.
Great video. Lots of good info.
I’m glad I started following here... some luthier background is really essential.
I really think you have a great channel, thanks for that dude
Very helpful, thank you!
Learning a lot. Thx! Got turned onto you through the Texas Toast stuff. 🍻
Very informative!
Man, this was exactly what I wanted to know. I am glad to say I figured it out correctly myself, but get confirmation is a huge comfort. Being Canadian, I might even get myself a Schatten winder and get hands on. (and I like tools)
great info but there was one error- reverse wound/reverse polarity single coils will not act like a humbucker UNLESS you also wire both single coils IN SERIES.. Strat style single coils are wired in parallel, Gibson style humbuckers are comprised of two single coils wound in series (but as dylan said, they are wound internally reverse wind/reverse polarity to cancel the hum)
Is there any sound difference if the pickups are just magnetically out of phase but electrically in phase?
I have a situation where my phase switch is coming up completely silent. Something is clearly out of phase, I can hear it in the middle position, but if I flip the phase switch, it’s not putting it back in phase, it’s like a killswitch. I know this is phase related because if I roll the neck or bridge volume, sound returns
Good explanation.
Perfect. Thanks.
I love my weller, but I use a temp control unit for when I do SMT
Theory Question: Consider two Strat single coil pickups that are magnetically and electrically the same. For hum canceling could you reverse the wiring on one and mount it in the guitar upside down? Would the upside down pickup work to a degree?
Hey Dylan,. I have a 1996 Stratocaster plus with Lace sensors. My question to you is I checked the magnetic north and south of the pickups and they all face north facing out. I recently got it used. I love the guitar but not sure I wasn't ripped off
Haha "it sounds like dead door nail". Cant wait to see the end result!
Thanks man for all this information. What do you think of the tv jones dynasonic single coil pickup?
Should you demagnetize the pole pieces before swapping the magnet polarity to do a "Greeny" mod? Does reversing the wiring by replacing it with a lifted ground produce the same tone?
Good stuff
What in situation where we have one single coil pickup and one humbucker active at the same time in parallel? what pattern to use to not phase out? Example: Will North Single Coil pickup hooked in series to North of humbucker that goes to south of humbucker produce a phase problem?
Id be totally interested in the live video class..... also a general question, can you trim or shorten/cut the bar magnet? and if you do, what happens? does that de-magnitize it? and if so can you re magnetize it?
What happens if the pole pieces are mixed within a pickup for example alternate polepieces are reversed when put in the bobbin? Will it just end up causing the output to be zero as the cancel each other out or will it end up being like an in-line humbucker and cancel some of the noise while still outputting a signal?
Definitely be interested in the guitar building tutorial.
I'm kind of confused. Doesn't pickups always need to be hooked finish lead to start of another pickup to buck a hum? Or start and finish doesn't really matter as long we keep pickups out of phase easy as swapping the wires? And does humbucker need to start from a north coil and is it the same result if we make south coil start a hot wire and link S finish to N start and N finish to ground?
I have a 1964 Gibson ES-345 TD that had a pat no. neck pickup that had way too much bass so I tuned it around and it sounded way more tolerable. I assume moving the poles by an inch, if that, helped the poles pickup the string at a preferred part of the string or was this just dumb luck?
Thank you, that was good.
What if a numb nut rubbed a neo dim magnet over the pickups on a guitar. Are they ruined,and out of phase? Can they be fixed? Can shops check them? Thank you for any help!
On the "twisted" tele neck pickups, don't they use longer pole pieces so they can get the same turns with 42 awg wire?
We can locate polarity with an app for Android and iOS called Supermagnet Polarfinder. Can use a compass too.
Cannot wait to see what you do with that les Paul, and I can’t wait to win it lol.... Texas toast builds? Hell yes!
Hi, Dylan! What about putting a Tele bridge pup at the neck? Have you ever tried that? How do you think it might sound? Thanks!
The Telecaster pickup bobbin height needs to be taller to fit 42guage wire for it to work?
I know this is old video not sure if anyone will respond**but when he is talking about electrical out of phase (I'm thinking of my mustang and lead II) my question is for a regular guitar say with two single coils, do you run BOTH pickups- where you switch the hot and ground- or just one?
The only time flipping a HB pick up Will it affect your tone, is if you do a PRS style Wiring. With a five way super switch, tou can select the inner or outer coils of the humbuckers. A lot of times the wiring/soldering will be fine, but you will need to physically flip a pickup to get the desired combinations: Inner-outer, inner-inner, outer-outer, etc....
Is there a way to flip around the magnetic polarity in a strat kind pickup?
Is there any argument about magnetic vs electrical polarity tonality. I don't mean scientific, I mean like the tonewood scene?
Dylan and Texas Toast - hell yeah!
So here's a question Dylan....
So going along the line of the question asked in this one, IF you were to wrap say a tele pickup to say 5000 wraps of 42 as opposed to the 6-8000 of 43 We know over wrapping builds higher resistance but magnet selection comes into it as well. But what about an underwound pickup with a neodymium pickup or alnico 5 rather, can you make up for lower resistance with more magnetic force?
Also how does the magnet affect the tone?
Can you explain it on bass? (2musicman bass humbuckers) will it sound odd w/ and w/I being in phase?
Hi Dylan, my understanding of the pickup arrangement in a strat for "hum cancelling / noiseless" configuration is to have the middle pickup out of sync with the bridge & neck pickups, if a "Gilmour" switch was fitted would this give rise to "noise" if the neck & bridge pickups were both in use ? And if so would there be any with all 3 pickups on ? Thanks Roger
In fact this is how a Mustang is wired. In the middle switch position, they act together like one humbucker. And yes, if you go back to position 1 or 3 on the switch, the hum comes back.
If you rotate the magnet 180 degrees then you will change which coil is south and which is north to?
Thanks. I'm going to try out of Phase wiring with some Wilkinson Humbuckers on a $65 Ibanez Type China Guitar for an Experiment. The Volume Knob will be Push-Pull CTS and for the first time I think I will Delete the tone Knob that I never use and put the 3-way toggle switch there instead. From watching your Videos I think it will work just fine? If any of your Viewers have any other suggestions please comment. I'm in Tone Experimental Mode for now. Thanks Dylan for all your Knowledge that you share with us.
If the pups have 4 wires, you can try series-parallel -works better with less gain.
is the magnet supposed to be flipped over or rotated 180 degrees? i did my neck hum magnet and the video said keep the same side facig down and only rotate the magnet 180 degrees, but i see you also turned it upside down, is there a reason to do ity one way over the other? it seems to be producing the desired effect, but it is pretty subtle.
Oh, Dylan, please, please, tell more about this!..
Seymour Duncan in one of his interviews said that he made a set of Strat singles for Jimmy Hendrix with same magnetic and electric polarities. Also early (earlier) Stratocasters didn’t have that RWRP thing ‘cause they were using 3-way switch-one pickup at a time, no pickups working simultaneously, so why bother.
That story pushed me into thoughts “what’s the difference?”
I found many vids on RUclips with people stating that any hum bucking or hum cancelling thing cuts off some percentage of the signal. I remember your video about vertical humbuckers -those Fender Noiseless pickups- you said there same thing: either hum and signal richness, or silence and signal losses.
Both of these are in phase. So they don’t sound like someone speaking with nose plugged. What is the difference? I understand I can run my own investigation and listen to it in person, but. My question here is more about the technical stuff going on-what’s happening?
Thanks!
Dylan I have a P90 question, a couple actually? I want to build a couple different tele’s one with a single P90 in the bridge position and another with a P90 in each position. Would I be better served to route the cavities for your P90’s or just purchase your tele sized P90’s and what is the difference in the two matched sets as far as tone goes? Also for a single P90 in a tele bridge what would be better a dog ear or regular P90? Can you suggest where I might purchase a tele bridge with a P90 cut out as opposed to a regular tele pick up bridge cut out?
real P90s are THE WAY... imo
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Going to the Toast! Coors for everyone!
Not sure if this is a dumb question, but: can you have 3 humbuckers all in phase together? I have a triple humbucker sg, I love the middle and bridge together, but the middle and neck sounds weaker than the neck alone. Does this mean they’re out of phase or is there something else going on?
Usually when in combination pickups are wired in phase and in parallel (as opposed to series), which reduces volume somewhat. (Parallel out of phase is the 'peter green' mod, for reference). Adding a third pickup in parallel is definitely possible but will also continue to reduce volume.
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Hey Dylan, I just signed up at the competition page but I've not received the confirmatory email. I've tried it twice to the same UK hotmail address with no success, any ideas?
3rd time a charm.
how do you actually check the gauss? is that another cool niche tool like a multimeter?
yup a tool
@@DylanTalksTone this whole gaussmeter and how much to magnetise a pickup internet rabbit hole is fascinating :)
I just corrected a kid on 60 cycle who didn't seem to like the visible poles being far from the bridge commenting about phasing. Ugh..
It's just the way it's always been. I blame Gibson.
Those two strat pickups should be magnetic opposites. Both have same wire colours so maybe you got a neck and bridge not a Middle
If they stick together face to face they polar opposite. If you can disconnect the ground shunt your good to go. As you obv know
3 knob DPDT series parallel and out of phase that Epiphone with double centerpunch and open front covers
I’d love to hear from anyone who has done it. Do you use it much? (Partly motivated by seeing a favourable review for those 3 in 1 pickups - afterwards almost everyone that had bought them thought ‘cool’ and then left them in their favourite setting from then on).
They're crap! They do all these sounds, but do neither of them well! I had a custom built SG I had them in for about 8 years. Not great and too fiddly! Sold them on Ebay in 24 hrs, got a new PAF set custom wound for me inc installation for what I sold the Prails for, and it sounds heaps better, with more USABLE sounds with split coils and a phase reversal in the mid position!
MUCH happier with them!
Hey man thanks.And burn one for me while your in Denver.
I have always wondered what is wrong with Epiphone pick-up? Everybody talks bad about them?
I would love to win a Les Paul modded by Dylan because I know it will be absolutely great.
Wouldn't flipping the humbucker around so that the screw-pole pieces were on the bridge-side make the tone brighter, as they are then closer to the bridge? This would probably be more noticeable if the screws are raised or lowered to balance the volume.
Also, on humbuckers, do both bobbins typically have the same number of windings, and same type/strength of magnets?
Usually they have the same type and turns of wire, also humbuckers only have 1 magnet
@@theccarbiter most hand wound humbuckers have offset winding. Like 1 would have 5002 and the other have 5120
Yeah. Guitar building! Sweet. I’m down.
Dylan - you could do a really great video on "How to get a really sharp picture and excellent sound quality on your RUclips videos" !
Thanks...
we could... but I'd rather do a lesson on the proper application of sarcasm .... what we do is real life... not some high end production
unless I misread you... i do need to do an updated gear video
@@DylanTalksTone Oh sorry - I think you did take that wrong. I love the quality and content of your videos... Perhaps British humour doesn't always translate!
tele wind on rail for strat :)
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Okay now I feel stupid because I continued watching video and my understanding is it depends on the pickups see addressed my situation where I be using two different brands so I guess I have to get a phase checker now so
I had always wondered how completely noiseless single coils
were achieved, ta.
They aren't!
Are you giving it away???
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Sorry, but it is totally confusing to refer to polarity phasing. Correct phrasing is simply that pickups have the same polarity or opposite polarity whereas phasing properly refers to "wind direction"..
Second of all, it is merely convention, and meaningless, to always insist on the inner coil end being "hot" (positive) & actually reverse wind the coil. Electrically, there's no difference between a pickup wound in one direction and a pickup wound in the opposite direction with the leads swapped. Yes, in one case the signal lead will be connected to the inner end of the coil, whereas in the other case it would be connected to the outer end...but, again, electrically, it makes no more difference than, as you described, rotating a single coil pickup so that one side is toward the neck rather than the bridge.
Hum cancelling comes from connecting two opposite wound (or same wind by swapped leads) together.
That's not to say that polarity or serial vs parallel connection doesn't matter. The output will be less if the polarity is the same (but opposite wound or leads swapped), but it will still be hum cancelling. Likewise, serial connection of two opposite-wound coils, as in humbuckers, will still be hum cancelling even if the polarity is identical (but, again, in that latter case, output will be less). Finally, as with connecting two single coils, is also hum cancelling when connected in parallel...but, again, less output is the polarity is not reverse in the two pickups.
This is not to say that serial vs parallel connection is identical: Because the resistance of the two coils is added together in a serial connection, the output will be "warmer"...hence, the thicker sound of humbuckers.
The point is that charts which show all of the combinations of polarity & wind direction imply that only1/4 of the combinations are hum cancelling…are not accurate. Actually, half of them are, though half of those (w/ same polarity) will have reduced output.
And, you noted that thinner wire allows for more winds to fit on a bobbin. But, there's a tradeoff: More winds means more power output, but thinner wire reduces some of that increased output, as well as producing more "muddy" sound. Hence, as long as the thicker wire & bobbin size will allow adequate winds to fit, the output will be greater & less "thick" than with identical winds of thinner wire. Hence, the best bet would be to use a bobbin that is as wide as a "jazzmaster", but taller, and thicker wire. That would give great output (inductance) but with lower resistance.
Polarity, not phase.
Of course it sounds shitty. It's an Epiphone.
The stumbling and fumbling does not make 'phase' clearer to a viewer. Go back and simplify it.
Or you could pay better attention.