Its a fantastic bike for people who care what they think, not everyone else. Its also far too easy for people who don’t spend their own money on bikes to gripe and complain about what a simple bike it is. I’ve owned one of these now for 5 years, put 60,000 miles on it, and haven’t found anything else I like more and enough to justify the cost of those bikes. I love my VStrom. And I love it because I bought for me to ride and my enjoyment. Not someone else’s opinion who doesn’t pay for it.
@@arturolh ANY bike can be taken off road if youre brave/dumb enough. The VStrom is really not suited to it due to the low clearance. But repurpose it as you will. Its a deeply reliable machine first and foremost. People seem to want to pass that over rather quickly. Use it as intended and it will serve you well. No road bike made is actually good off road. Theyre too heavy. People just have the “my dick is bigger” complex when bragging what they take off road.
@@midtennmoto7541 100% agree. I'm 6ft7 in and 110kg. I ride a KLR 650 Because of my size and the price. It's my first road bike. I used to own a KX450F MX bike. People would shit themselves riding that off road. ALL road bikes registered for road are FIRST and foremost made for ROAD. The rest is like you said.
Lets put it this way. Suzuki launched the Sv650 as a contender to the overpriced Ducati monster. All other manufacturers have since then copied the Sv650. Suzuki used the Sv650 engine to create the V-strom 650. All other manufacturers have since then copied the V-strom: These bikes are the gold standard in the middleweight class. Mic drop, Suzuki.
Which bikes are a copy of the Vstrom? I thought the Vstrom was the budget GS. Which bikes are a copy of the SV too? Genuinely curious. Vstrom rider for 13 years BTW, previous bike SV.
As a V-strom 650 owner, I am very happy with my purchases. Im on my sec one. My first V-bike retired with 238 000 kms on the odo. It never missed a beat. Took me everywhere, winter and summer.
@@thealvaco im happy i found someone who would know. i did a bit of research on some bikes that could fit me, im 6'9 and heard this bike was a very good fit for super tall people, is this true
As someone who has no interest in the 'tech' madness the display on the V Strom is perfect, everything of importance is clear and easy to see. The stock screen isn't the best, a GIVI Airflow is without doubt the best upgrade money can buy for these bikes, it's a game changer. The mirrors cause turbulence and can be changed for Halfords own for a pittance. The exhaust doesn't look great but unless you want to spend a fortune buying an Akrapovic or similar big name then don't change it. Delkevik and Black Widow options are well made but overly loud, in my opinion. Skip Suzuki panniers, they're a rip off and GIVI options can be bought much cheaper. It's a basic bike but it's brilliant and really well made. I'd buy a GS in a heartbeat but compare the reliability of them to a Suzuki which comes with a 3 year warranty and they simply don't compare. Oh, and yes I own one, it's my second V Strom.
I got the Suzuki panniers with mine, and yeah they're pretty useless particularly the exhaust side one is very low capacity. I might put some aftermarket mounts and bags on at some point. The nice thing about aftermarket bags is you can move them from one bike to another so even if they cost more they're a better investment.
Been riding long and hard on many bikes, at 70 I’m lucky enough to have a few. On a whim, in ‘09, I traded in my BMW RT for a new DL650 ‘Strom. I rode that Wee to break it, circumnavigated Baja mostly off pavement and plenty of single track. Never broke. Traded it for a new ‘12 which I unrepentantly thrashed - rode it from the tundra of Canada through Mexico to El Salvador. Couldn’t break it. Bought the new ‘15 fuginugly beak version, never intending to keep it. Still have it. Cumulatively, the three have suffered well over 300 000 kilometers. Good bike? That’s exactly what it is; not great, anaphylactic to hubris, certainly not a fashion statement. Just a damn good bike.
I purchased one this year, swapping from a Honda 750 NCX 2019. I find it an excellent bike. It is much more powerful than the Honda. I took it on a 2500 mile journey around Spain & France and it didn't miss a beat. No nonsense bike that handles well, is comfortable to ride(riding 7/8 hours a day) and the fuel consumption is excellent.
@@MrDjjecky I have a '22 650 Adventure. Have 3 bigger and more powerful bikes. I rode this one 300 miles yesterday. Can't praise it enough. Cruising 80 mph on the interstate. I love this Vtwin. Still my favorite.
@@TrustyZ900 Thanks, im saving up to buy a bigger bike by the end of the year or by mid next year latest. My choices are between the NC 750, the Vstrom and the Versys. I keep switching back and forth. I don’t know which one I prefer yet. Here they don’t really allow test rides for bigger bikes.
@@MrDjjecky I didn't have a DCT. The Honda was unbelievable on fuel consumption(80+mpg), the front 'trunk' was also a big bonus. I also rode the Honda around Europe and had no problems with it whatsoever. The main reason I like the V-Strom more is, it has that extra bit of power when needed(overtaking, off the mark, etc). So I would rate the V-Strom over the NC 750x. Fuel consumption on the V-Strom is around 60+mpg.
@@clivethomas7823 Thanks Clive. Two additional questions. As I keep watching videos I have more questions. Between the two, which has the best suspension? Which is more comfortable for riding long distance (seat comfort, seating position, etc)? And lastly I saw some videos where the Vstrom seems to suffer from corrosion even after a short while of ownership. Do you experience that with yours? Well that was three questions, sorry.
As someone who makes a living by fixing bikes,in their category i consider them to be at the top.Decent performance, good weight, easily tuneable,and reliable.Price is right for what it is
The Vstrom series, having owned 3 and just bought a new 2022 XT1050 Adventure....truly are 2 of the greatest bikes in the world. They do about everything incredibly well and with great ease and aplomb. Run on 87 octane fuel and get incredible MPG's. And in almost 80,000 miles of Vstrom riding I have yet to even adjust a valve.
I had a 12 plate strom from almost new (950 miles on it) it went out in all weather all year and the only thing it ever needed was tyres oil and 2 sets of spark plugs in 8 years and thousands of miles its quite likely the best bike I ever owned, and I've had lots of bikes if you can think of it I've owned it but that Suzuki was a winner Cheers
Superb bike for people who don’t need to impress anyone. Plenty quick enough and handle great! Reliable and the biggest bike in the class is great for 6 foot plus riders. Love my 2019 and wont be tempted to change it anytime soon.
Just last week I rode mine 500 km in Germany, out of which were 300km on the Autobahn. It was a joyful experience. Enough power, reliable, good ergonomics and exactly 4.2 liters with me plus luggage at appr. 170kg payload. Ilove it. I took it up to 160km/h, frequently, didn't try the top speed, but at 160Km there was still enough room left. 120/130 is a very comfortable cruising speed on the autobahn and at that you are at the best sweet spot for max torque to be able ask for more any time you may want it.
I own a V-Strom 650DL 2010.... And she still good for me. My wife and I travel to several places and she takes us to whatever with comfort and ease. I have no complaints at all.
Very good review - Thank you . I have the 2020 model in the same colour and have done 7692 miles in just under 2 years. Weekend riding , 2 day a week 120 mile round trip commute, 2 tours 500 mile +. You are absolutely right that its not a sexy thrill seeker bike but for me , its been a perfect machine that somehow carves a special place in your heart simply by how competent and reliable it is. It took me a few rides to get use to the throttle and engine braking (which i love now) and found that using E5 fuel is a great improvement. My commute is 61 miles each way (40 on motorway and 21 through outer and inner London) keeps up with traffic with easy and plenty of shove to pass trucks in a hurry. Filtering in London is easy too. Long trips(5 hours ,2 short stops) no problem at all. Pillion.. what pillion ... I've lowered the foot pegs, put a Givi screen on replace the hallway sized mirrors with something more aerodynamic. That alone made a big difference to wind noise and dirty airflow. Your brain may find this bike easy to upgrade , but there will certainly be a fight with your heart. Its that kind of bike
It’s one of those bikes that just fit. I have everything under the Sun, the Vstrom is a riders bike, not a would be GP riders bike or a posers bike. I have 4 bikes I put around 3k a year on each of that. My Vstrom has done that in a couple of months. It’s a pleasure to ride
Due to economic issues, I sold my gas guzzler and started riding. Learned on a VLX for a few months then came across an 06 Vstrom 650 for $2800 with a few small scratches, 28k miles on it. I sold the VLX after it thrashed my hips and never looked back. I have since put 10k on the Strom in less than a year. It has been a great one so far. It lifts the front wheel a little when I want to twist it on take offs and it pulls good up to 80 mph. I've only broken a clutch cable so far. As of now I love it.
My base model cost 4900 pounds brand new with 5 year warranty. Canada was the place to buy em in 2018. It is a great bike for touring 2 lane roads, especially if you want to just enjoy the ride rather than rocket through the country. A faithful travelling horse.
Dan mentioned the keyword here, and unfortunately its not something reviewers care much about: a workhorse. Many many riders are in the market for a workhorse bike, and the vstrom 650 is a classic in the genre.
@@pateris the 700cc is about 214kg dry, 04 vstrom has a dry weight at 194kg, 14mod 214kg wet, 17 mod 216kg wet, so really not that heavy, but very top heavy thoe🙂
The first "big bike" I ever rode was my dad's '07 V-Strom and I greatly appreciated its simplicity, ease of use, and linear power. It sounds like an all-new one is in the pipeline, and I'm almost sad to see the original put out to pasture. Hopefully they keep that workhorse spirit.
Some bikes are just built to work. The V-Strom is such a bike. I had a late (2010) gen 1 version, extend the mirrors out, change the screen and ride all day.
I have that exact bike. It's not the funnest bike in my garage but it's definitely the most versatile. I had it well offroad this summer and it did pretty well for a bike of its weight. Test rides are pretty much not a thing here in Michigan. The dealerships tell me it's an insurance thing, too many idiots were dropping brand new bikes while on test rides and now the insurance won't allow them. Even the people who work at the dealership aren't allowed to ride new bikes. Not sure about used ones. I guess the up side is the last 2 bikes that I bought, I rode them away with 0 miles on the odometer.
I really enjoy your out look on motorcycles mate. More down to earth that all the other vloggers going on about how everything needs 200bhp, and a million electronic and TFTs, half of which is never used by the owners. When did motorcycles go from being about the joy of riding to being the bike being a fashion accessory? I only disagree about the MT07, i rode 1, and walked away cold. keep up the good work.
Having riding joy and technology are not mutually exclusive. My Africa Twin has both and I love both. Changing routes, phoning friends, playing music all on the fly.
I’ve owned sport bikes, super sports, and small and large cruisers. I wish I would have purchased my current 2019 VStrom 650 much sooner. Would have saved myself so much money on bikes that never made me as happy as this bike does. Great fuel range. Bullet proof engine. Does it all. My only complaint is the seat, but I have yet to own a bike where that wasn’t a complaint lol. With all my past bikes, within a year I was already looking at what might be my next bike. I’m a month away from 2 years and almost to 20k miles and I’m just not interested in any other bikes. I hit a Yama, Suzuki/kawa, and triumph/Indian shops today, and nothing was pulling me away from the VStrom. After that trip, I picked up fresh oil and came home, did an oil change, cleaned the bike and went on a long ride and never once thought about those other bikes. I love this bike. I think I’ll keep it for a while.
Looking to make the move myself from a cruiser to this 650XT, how was your transition, especially from the relaxed, stretched-out leg position of cruisers to the upright (ish) position of the ADV?
It's a fantastic bike , what you said is right people compare bike on spec sheets but still don't see the weight difference between Versys and this bike 😜. I sold my Ninja 1000 and bought this bike and very happy with this bike .
I had it for a test ride, XT version. Yes it is a good bike, easy to ride, very good motor, basic offroad capability, i had instant trust in it and in yellow it looks great. Unfortunately some things were missing like quickshifter, LED lights and a dealer who is not more than an hour away from me.
I owned a 2010 Suzuki VStrom, K9 which was the best looking of the bunch imo with the big cat eyes, and the GT model so I had the hand-guards, colour marched, branded panniers and topbox etc. It was absolutely fantastic and I can definitely see myself owning another. Competent, reliable and it remains the most comfortable bike I've ever ridden by a country mile, and I've had cruisers and stuff since then. It was also economical too. Coming back from a camping trip I filled up in the Brecons in Wales, rode all the way back to Lincolnshire, fully laden with full luggage and tents etc, and then to work the next day, before finally filling up on the commute home. It averaged almost 70mpg, even with the city stuff at the end. What more could you ask for?
@@DannyT636 Thanks dude, and to answer.. hard to say for sure but you should be ok. It's shorter than you might think, certainly shorter than the Versys 650 which I owned a few years later. I'm 5'10", 32" leg, and it was easy for me. The only issue you might have is it's quite a wide saddle, but you should be fine even if you can't get both heels down.
@@TheSpectre223 That's cool really need to try one for size as never ridden anything like it mainly sports or road bikes, v strom definitely something im thinking to get just height puts me off. Thanks
Nice timing with your review Dan. Finished running in my XT yesterday. Really pleased with it. The standard screen is adjustable (with an Allen key) but I’ve changed to a Givi Airflow which, for me, has made a real difference. I did try the Versys which is a bit sportier. 17in wheels and bit more urgency in the engine. I prefer the smooth power of the Vstrom though.
I also changed the screen on my 2021 XT to a Givi Airflow which is brilliant and means I don't have the need to wear ear plugs anymore to cut wind noise. On my 2nd VStrom 650 and simply a brilliant bike as an allrounder. A little less bulk around the top and less weight would be nice - but the positives outweigh these if you do long distances over rubbish roads.
As an owner of a 2022 VStrom 650 I think it's the perfect bike version of a pickup truck. It does most of what you need a bike to do. Glad I have it before they decide to replace the model with something else.
@@Sil3ntD3ath478 It will handle highway speeds just fine. The 1000/1050 is definitely the better highway bike but the 650 is just all around better for someone like me at 190lbs 5'9".
@@charliechance8589 I'm looking around at bikes that are smaller because I'm inexperienced, so I'm trying to avoid the larger engines. I'm also a 6'5 300lb so I can't get the more usual small frame newer bikes sadly
@@Sil3ntD3ath478 I completely understand, my age is starting to catch up with me and since I posted the original message I sold the 2022 VStrom 650 and replaced it with a 2023 Honda CB500X. You won't be disappointed with the 650 though.
Great review thanks. I have a '19 model and like it a lot for many of the reasons you state. It's a great simple, comfortable, reliable bike that's easy to work on and cheap to maintain and run. It makes a great camera platform for my channel too, as there's loads of room under the seat for electronics, and plenty of options for attaching cameras in various positions. For the money I think it's a great bike. Throttle does need a bit of practice to get used to. Fork dive is noticeable, especially loaded up with boxes and camping kit, or the Mrs. I fitted after market pre load adjusters which helped some, upgraded springs are well priced online too. Off road it'll get you there but can't compete with the T7 for ride quality and handling. Taking the ABS fuse out off road helps a lot. I stuck 2500 miles on it in a week including some offroad riding on Conti TKC 80's and it did everything I asked of it very well. Loads of good value options available online to make it more bike too if you require. I am looking forward to the new one that's reported to be in development for a '24 release. It'll need to be bloody good to compete with this one for a good number of reasons though, and to properly compete with the T7 it really needs 21/18 wheels and much better suspenders. Cheers 👍
@@Englishbikerdan u are Dan, u sound young thou 😊 is it the shape or size of the mirrors? ive only got a gs500f and i find the buffeting bad and wonder if changing the mirrors could help. im 6 4 mind u but feel like i cop it in the chest a lot. im considering going to an sv or dl next, but do u miss much in road handling with the dl v sv ? ive done a bit to the gs suspension wise with heavier front springs 15w oil and an r6 rear shock it turns in much better now. just looking at the v twin for more down low pull as i tend to ride in low to mid rpms than up hi, dont think ive ever had the gs to its 10500 rpm redline 🙃
I own the 2022 model since June - and I just love it. It seems, this bike is riding by itself so easy and smooth. So, you can focus on the street and the surrounding. Tried a Tiger 660, but it took 2 min. to find the neutraul - that was ist. Also like the mirrors....
I’ve had my 2011 since new , 26,500 miles thus far ( I have 2 other bikes) the V Strom has been super reliable , I’ve taken it from Butte MT to Denver a few times , no problem . I put a different exhaust can and a V Stream windshield on mine . It’s my go to long haul bike .
Have the same bike April 2021!! Currently have 14000 Sep 2022. This bike is really a Swiss Army knife. Put some Shad hard cases on it and I go everywhere.
I had a '83 Suzuki GS 650GL (shaft drive) for 16 years. It was a dependable ride. I'm not sure why more mid-size bike don't have a shaft drive. I like the basics in a bike as more tech means more (expensive) problems.
"hello there. "Hello there!"" LMAO. I'm currently taking my license here in Norway, and its been on a kawasaki z650 which is too small for me (6'4/192cm). On some exercises I got to try the V-strom 650 and I gotta say, it really felt like a fantastic bike. It feels reasonably fast considering the hk/weight. Great ergonomics, very easy handling bike. For taller people where most 650cc bikes will be too small, this seems like a fantastic machine considering the money and practicality of it. Love it!
That motor has been around since 1999, from the original SV650, which I still have, it has gone through many upgrades and is as tough a motor as you can get. Suzuki don't follow the fad of changing the color and calling it a new model.
I have owned more than 200 bikes over the years. Japanese british Italian east european and this is one of the best in my opinion. Such a great all round bike at a great price
No, it's a great bike. Had a '17 gen 3 and just bought a '22 650 Adventure. Not one problem in 5 years 40k miles on my '17. Wanted the XT model- the reason for the trade. 60 mpg US , handles great, and power is excellent for a 650.Talked to a tech and he said one DL 650 had 300k miles on original engine. I doubt it's replacement will be as bulletproof. Oh yeah, one thing did fail on the '17. Low beam bulb.
The V-Strom 650 is one of the most comfortable bikes out there regardless of price. That is a big deal if you are riding long distance. I prefer the handling of my 500F and the brakes (with EBC HH pads) but everytime I sit on a Strom 650 I really miss my V-Strom. But At age 70 I don't do the long days I used to.
We will see when the new P-Strom comes out, if this bike is outdated. They are legendary in the longevity, reliability and quality. I have a 2002 model with nearly 80,000 miles on it and it always impresses me with it's capability, comfort and power.
There was a Japanese guy who rode Vstrom 650 from Tokyo to Istanbul Turkey, then all the way to Europe (I think he got all the way to Portugal). You can find him on RUclips: Hirokichi Sekai. There isn't many bike that can do that. Hats off to this masterpiece.
As an owner of a V Strom 650 XT, I must say its a bike that really DOES a lot. Highway, twisties, city, 2 up, and in my case, quite a lot of off pavement stuff. Sure, brakes are not that good (somewhat fixable with better brake pads) and ground clearance could be better, but none of those are deal-breakers for me. That being said, Suzuki is actually preparing an update. Judging from the spy shots, its a 700cc parallel twin (P-Strom hahaha), and looks more off road capable. But I doubt it will do as much as current one.
I rode a 500X for 5000 miles and found it woefully underpowered . Anything above 70 was beyond it's ability. I traded for a VStrom and rode it for two years but was always challenged by the tall seat height. This year I traded up to a Triumph 850 Sport and found that to be perfect for me. The power from the triple is amazing. It'll cruise at 95 mph without a thought.
Nice review & a decent bike despite what anyone says. Not sexy, but decent. You can get them heavily discounted too. Spy shots of the new one surfaced a few days ago. Looks like the 1050, has inverted forks & a 700cc parallel twin engine. Hopefully it also has a 270° crank to give it some character.
@@Englishbikerdan Likewise. Tbh I"m more interested in the SV & dare I say an SVS model as it's the ideal platform & time to essentially copy Yamaha who I think are on the right track with their range. Supposedly Suzuki are keeping the SV name too despite it not being a V. We shall see in November I guess.
cs fantastic bike. I don’t get the hype with all the tech. I actually like that this bike has an analog tach. It’s actually readable and the dash on the tracer 7 is not great on a sunny day. I recently test rode a bunch of bikes in this segment and I liked the Vstrom the best. The kawasaki is not it in so many ways. The engine is quite boring and the suspension is too weak and it’s too small for anyone over 6ft The yamaha feels like it needs to prove something. It’s small and lightweight and has a really revvy engine with can get quite annoying during touring. Sure it’s quicker and tries to feel sporty but the suspension is quite spongy, like the mt07 The vstrom is a nice middleground and the suspension is not modern, but it also doesn’t feel like it was designed for a tiny japanese man under 70kg’s like on the kawasaki and yamaha The engine is quite calm, but has more grunt down low compared to the kawasaki and it doesn’t really feel like it has any less grunt than the t7 for some reason. Could be due to the linearity of the torque curve. The mt07 torque curve is quite weird in some specific rev ranges. Also, the seat is god tier
'Hello There' Love my Vstrom XT as well, bought brand new this year 2020 model, have done 8k on it this summer and loved every moment, the buffeting would be my only complaint, still working the best solution for that, Bought a National Vstream Screen and made a difference but still has some buffeting, doesn't help that I am 6'2". Overall the bike gets me where I need to go in decent speed and capability. Great review.
The mirrors cause a lot of buffeting. I bought some aftermarket mirrors for about $35 the set and they're a bit cheap feeling but they fix the buffeting problem. A Givi Airflow screen is also a fantastic upgrade. I dropped the bike in my driveway last winter and in the subfreezing weather the Givi shattered, I need to replace it soon.
I am on my second 650 V Strom, just part exchanged my 2015 model with 52k miles for a 2023 model. Great bikes. I did a lot of touring on the 2015 model and the new bike has already been to Wales. I noticed you were riding in my neck of the woods - in an around Farnborough/Farnham.
I've just ordered a new strom 650, it will be number 4, I looked at all the other makes and models but bang for buck and the deal on offer at the moment, £500 off and the first 3 services free it's a no brainier for me, might not be everyone's cup of tea but for me it's the ultimate do it all bike and the engine is a peach.
@@Englishbikerdan I'm entertaining these or the Yamaha Tenere 700, looking for something a little more geared towards dirt and do like the inline twin parallel motor versus the V twin, just preference I guess. Not really big on that 1 single pipe on the Strom that comes out of the head that goes under the bike... I heard in '23 the Strom is coming out with the parallel twin that really interests me I have yet to see a picture though
@@seatime674 the T7 will def3be the better bike off road, I personally don't go off road, I agree with you on the look of the front pipe on the strom, also the oil filter is very vulnerable, I bought the plastic lower engine guard from the xt for mine, makes the bike look much better and protects the oil filter, at the end of the day it depends how you want to use a bike, I'm more inclined towards touring and days out whether it be tiny lanes around dartmoor or fast A road blasts to long motorway trips, in all I think the vstrom does all of this really well, it's not everyone's cup of tea and I've yet to try the new 800 which has a parallel twin engine, so that may be a much better bike all round?.
suzuki doesn't need to update their bikes often because they have great promos and an immense dealer/servicer network. My town doesn't have a pizza place, but it has a suzuki powersports parts dealer. now admitably it's mainly for atvs, dirt bikes, and outboards, but they got the numbers and the catelogs
Enjoyed the review and the comparison to the Honda 500 is interesting. However, my own comparison when purchasing in this class (coming from BMW RT) was The VStrom 650 vs Honda NC750X (vs Tracer 07 vs Versys 650). That's a fairer comparison, I would say in my opinion. I had my eyes set on the VStrom and certainly it had a lot going for it, not least with a pillion theres a bit more room, but the NC is hard to beat and both are more relaxed, like the VStrom. That said, I know the CB500X is a great bike, just struggling against these other four.
What did you decide? The NC is also at the top of my list, just don't like the idea of loading a big inflatable boat on the rear seat, then having to take it all off to refuel. And the small 14L tank. The Vstrom seems better for loading and strapping luggage if need to with bigger fuel tank and probably better comfort. The Tracer is appealing due to it's motor. The NC has easier valve adjustments though for self servicing which is tempting to me.
@@francoisnel5253 Oh gosh...a lot has happened since I wrote that! Happy to expand on these comments if it helps, but long story cut a little shorter shorter... When I wrote that, perhaps not clear, I had been running an NC750 DCT new from 2018. A test on the Strom had not disappointed, but the NC was the winner for me and DCT certainly had an edge. After a couple of years (probably soon after my above comments) I was seduced to change for a Z900RS. Late 2022 I then traded that for two new Royal Enfields, late 2022 (Scram and Interceptor) which were both lovely in their different ways. Then, this year, for more practical longer distance work I bought a second hand 2014 VStrom 650. Gorgeous bike, better two up than the NC, better built, but less easy to service the valves. I kept it for several months then decided I still preferred the NC and that had the edge for my needs, so solfd the VStrom and sought another NC. That was the end of May this year. Unfortunately, on a demo 2024 NC750 from the local dealer, a van torpedoed out of a side road and hit me smack on. Near fatal, it wrote the bike off and nearly me with it. I'm still mending and sadly had to give up motorcycles, selling both REs. Were it not for that, I would have gone back to the dealer and either ordered a new DCT NC, or sought an earlier DCT model to which I could add the optional foot shift kit for the manual changes when wanted - best of both worlds. I would also have kept the REs which are motorcycles with real character and fun, but that's another story.
Forgot to mention, the rear seat is a pain with luggage, but the fuel consumption is a little better than the VStrom. Not just mine, but generally, the NC fuel gauge is unreliable, so you do need to keep an eye on things. The frunk is a love hate thing - I hardly used it and would have preferred a real tank and more fuel. NC seat is harsh, but possibly more to do with cheap shock absorber slapping your backside. Strom definitely a long distance machine out of the box. Oh, and the Tracer - lovely, did try one and friend swears by his. But much more 'plasticky' higher revving and more like a terrier wanting to run and yap. NC and Strom far better.
@@davgb7904 Thanks for taking the time to answer. Sorry to hear about your accident, glad you made it out alive. That's the thing for me, I've been riding large capacity singles (thumpers) for more than a decade and the simplicity of valve self servicing will affect me too cost wise. The NC just makes sense if it came with better rear rack like the vstrom, bigger fuel tank and opening not under the seat. The consumption is intriguing, but the V-strom t spoke 19inch with loading and touring ability is intriguing too. The Tracer 700 has longer valve adjustment intervals which is a plus, but the grab rails at the back doesn't even seem to close completely like the vstorm for tying stuff down. I'd like to take my blowup boat on a ride and the vstrom seems to be more naturally geared to such a thing. I am considering the NC750 manual though. Can imagine it's a heavy motor to make impact with another bike / car, etc.
LED headlights get you noticed more but often don't offer the complete illumination a clear optic halogen unit can. LEDs are very focused and the cold colour removes depth perception too. I like Suzuki sticking to the halogens - just make sure you put an upgrade bulb in.
A lot of people missing the point. People buy cars when they want a workhorse. The sales figures simply do not bear out that bikers want a workhorse. Maybe they do if they have just one bike and need it for everything but the vast majority of bikers, certainly in the UK, are 3K miles a year fun riders. The other crucial difference is that people generally buy a bike with their heart rather than their head. There’s nothing wrong with the V Strom, other than charging 2022 money for a 2010 bike. Suzuki have been here before, with exchange rates making cheap bikes expensive and a lack of genuinely new products resulting in many dealers dropping the brands as they had so many unsold bikes. Yamaha had the same issue but re-invented themselves pretty successfully. My last Suzuki was a GSX1250 and there’s basically nothing newer in this bike (ironically that bike with nearly double the capacity, retailed foe less than this. Ike does now when last on sale a few years ago). At £7K it’s a bargain. At nearly £9K it’s overpriced very old tech. Did I mention it’s fugly too? ;)
I don't think people are missing the point, they just don't share your opinion. Which is fine. A bike is a more cost effective way to travel for me, don't even get me started on parking charges! So it's a no brainer. This fits many people's idea of what makes a bike functional and yet fun. Looking forward to the new V/P-Strom.
Maybe it's because of the asymmetrical dash or the go pro mount being off but around the 11 minute mark the handle bars looked a bit bent. Great review as always. Suzuki sells an air cooled 250 CC version of this bike here in my country but they use GSXR 250 frame for it instead of the regular V stroms.
Hey Dan, great honest review thank you for that. You did a video on Tiger 850 and I wonder how would you compare the 2, would you spend the extra money?
For me the VStrom in yellow with the gold spoked wheels is the best looking bike ever , it's a practical everyday bike which I think is the best sort of bike .
@@moreorlesdone1497 Well personally I think that Touring bikes are THE bikes , I hate sports bikes with a vengeance because they are only good for hooning about and speeding and are really impractical , unlike Tourers which are the definition of practical .
I totally agree. Have a '22 XT adventure 650. Love the headlight and front cowling. I also have a new Z900 RS and sitting next to one another, the VStrom looks classy. 2nd 3rd gen in 5 years. I love 'em!
@@moreorlesdone1497I first found it hideous when I came to know about it. But the bike keep coming up as a top choice for a middle weight adv bike. I had wanted the cb500x, but the lack of power and price-value was off putting. Ended buying a used black-yellow 2017 650 XT and it’s a beauty in person and in photos.
Thanks for the review of the current version of this excellent bike. I’m very, very happy with my 2012 V-Strom 650. I bought it new in 2013. It now has 98k miles on it. I’ve ridden it through 36 states so far. I’ve done only standard maintenance on it with one small exception, I had to replace the starter throw switch. The front and rear brake rotors lasted over 90k miles for me. It’s been extremely reliable so far. It’s very comfortable for long rides, over the years I have done more than 700 miles in a day many times. I’m hiramrides on a popular photo sharing platform.
@@rhett7716 Over the life of the bike so far, I have averaged slightly over 55 mpg (US gallons). In the low 70’s mph, I am around 50 mpg. If I’m going in the mid 80’s mph for a long period of time with luggage it can fall below 40 mpg. My best tank ever was 64.6 mpg.
I Have a 2009 V Strom 650 this is a wonderful motorcycle, I will never part with it, the mos comfortable bike, this is the best bike Suzuki has made,Thank you Suzuki🚴
I've noticed now that some places are selling these brand new for £5999 and the XT version as shown here for £6699. What a bargain! I'm still a few grand short though :(
Kind of a odd headliner/ question..How could any of the bikes using the sv650 platform not still be a good bike? especially after a 23 year production run. I am in my 70's now, owned & ridden so many different bikes during my riding life. Everything from a 1937/38 Harley Knucklehead (my first big bike) when i was 15 years old, to a 1999 unrestricted Suzuki Hayabusa when i was in my late 60's ( which was my very last moto), clocking in well over 1.75 million miles over 60 years. Had a 2001 sv650s and just loved everything about that bike. i called it the "pollywog" because of the beautiful round lines of the 1st gen half fairing. Had a TLS 1000 widowmaker a few years before the sv1000 came out,the TL left way too much to be desired. Aside from the sv650s, Knucklehead & Hayabusa being favorites, my other personal favorite GOAT bikes are a Triumph 200 cubs cafe & mountain cubs, Honda 50,55,70, & 90cc trail scooters, 2000 CBR 600rr, 2006 Suzuki DRZ 400 supermoto, Kawasaki VN800 drifter, 1953 BMW r50, 1964 moto guzzi X hwy patrol bike, 1954 HD Panhead & 1972 sportster factory flat tracker (3) 1978/79 Honda gl1000's which as daily riders i collectively put nearly 750k miles between all 3 bikes, A Honda ST1100 and a honorable mention to the 1955 BSA a10 which mechanically taught me alot about having great patience & adapting to the concept of restoring something so senseless & futile. Being old, hardwired analog and DIY in my nature, it's hard for me to wrap my head around most the newer bikes. Do appreciate the technical advances in suspension and EFI- fuel delivery but other than that new bikes are just so space butt ugly to look at, i guess that is what bike covers are made for.
I don't think it's an odd question at all, as I explained at the beginning of the video. People believe this bike is outdated and not worthy of consideration. Hopefully I've swayed some others to give it a try.
Hi Dan, interesting what you said about spoked wheels being right for off-road use. Is that because cast wheels are not good for harder or off-road applications?
Spoked wheels can take more of a beating, cast wheels can be bent easier if you hit something really hard. In my experience with offroad on cast wheels, its been fine. Don't do hard enduro on those and you can do most offroad (single lane, most gravel etc)
For a good all-around bike that won't break the bank. Probably the best bike u can buy that is this size. For many they would like more hp. Most of the time its enough.
@Englishbikerdan I have a 650 kawaski. 95 percent of the time it has enough power. Hard to justify spending alot more money to get one with another 10 hp.
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Its a fantastic bike for people who care what they think, not everyone else. Its also far too easy for people who don’t spend their own money on bikes to gripe and complain about what a simple bike it is. I’ve owned one of these now for 5 years, put 60,000 miles on it, and haven’t found anything else I like more and enough to justify the cost of those bikes. I love my VStrom. And I love it because I bought for me to ride and my enjoyment. Not someone else’s opinion who doesn’t pay for it.
Exactly, its a riders bike.
I have one too. I’d love it to go on a diet and lose 20kg, otherwise perfect 😍
What about some off road experience? In my country the BMW GS 850 is 6,000 USD more expensive, I do 90% on road, 10% off road
@@arturolh ANY bike can be taken off road if youre brave/dumb enough. The VStrom is really not suited to it due to the low clearance. But repurpose it as you will. Its a deeply reliable machine first and foremost. People seem to want to pass that over rather quickly. Use it as intended and it will serve you well. No road bike made is actually good off road. Theyre too heavy. People just have the “my dick is bigger” complex when bragging what they take off road.
@@midtennmoto7541 100% agree. I'm 6ft7 in and 110kg. I ride a KLR 650 Because of my size and the price.
It's my first road bike. I used to own a KX450F MX bike. People would shit themselves riding that off road. ALL road bikes registered for road are FIRST and foremost made for ROAD.
The rest is like you said.
Lets put it this way. Suzuki launched the Sv650 as a contender to the overpriced Ducati monster. All other manufacturers have since then copied the Sv650.
Suzuki used the Sv650 engine to create the V-strom 650. All other manufacturers have since then copied the V-strom: These bikes are the gold standard in the middleweight class. Mic drop, Suzuki.
Occasionally Suzuki is super innovative. Then they go 20 years hardly updating anything.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Hard to improve the best. Suzuki, don't copy others stupid business model!
Which bikes are a copy of the Vstrom? I thought the Vstrom was the budget GS. Which bikes are a copy of the SV too? Genuinely curious. Vstrom rider for 13 years BTW, previous bike SV.
@@flimbar kwackasaki er6/ninja650/versys650. Yamaha mt07/tracer07.
@@lajjvo I don't know, if they were V-twins I'd call them copies but I think those are just bikes in the same middleweight naked/adventure category
That's a perfect bike for people who dont't care about fancy things but they want a reliable machine! And it has a perfect price as well!
As a V-strom 650 owner, I am very happy with my purchases. Im on my sec one. My first V-bike retired with 238 000 kms on the odo. It never missed a beat. Took me everywhere, winter and summer.
Thank as a prospective buyer, I appreciate that info very much.
Milage is more important than fancy gauges.
Cheers
@@patgenier1965 When it comes to my V-strom, I can talk for hours😀 ask me anything!
@@thealvaco im happy i found someone who would know. i did a bit of research on some bikes that could fit me, im 6'9 and heard this bike was a very good fit for super tall people, is this true
@@rileyward1787 not in stock form. But a high seat and lower pegs make a big difference.
@@thealvaco how much would that cost to get
As someone who has no interest in the 'tech' madness the display on the V Strom is perfect, everything of importance is clear and easy to see. The stock screen isn't the best, a GIVI Airflow is without doubt the best upgrade money can buy for these bikes, it's a game changer. The mirrors cause turbulence and can be changed for Halfords own for a pittance. The exhaust doesn't look great but unless you want to spend a fortune buying an Akrapovic or similar big name then don't change it. Delkevik and Black Widow options are well made but overly loud, in my opinion. Skip Suzuki panniers, they're a rip off and GIVI options can be bought much cheaper. It's a basic bike but it's brilliant and really well made. I'd buy a GS in a heartbeat but compare the reliability of them to a Suzuki which comes with a 3 year warranty and they simply don't compare. Oh, and yes I own one, it's my second V Strom.
I got the Suzuki panniers with mine, and yeah they're pretty useless particularly the exhaust side one is very low capacity. I might put some aftermarket mounts and bags on at some point. The nice thing about aftermarket bags is you can move them from one bike to another so even if they cost more they're a better investment.
If you put on mirror extenders it fixes this.
What are those delkevic and blow widow thingy? Rims?
@@LEEGOOVER9901 They're exhaust companies who provide systems for this bike.
@@colindeans5972 ahhh.. alright, i only knew delkevic as rims provider here in Indonesia...
Been riding long and hard on many bikes, at 70 I’m lucky enough to have a few. On a whim, in ‘09, I traded in my BMW RT for a new DL650 ‘Strom. I rode that Wee to break it, circumnavigated Baja mostly off pavement and plenty of single track. Never broke. Traded it for a new ‘12 which I unrepentantly thrashed - rode it from the tundra of Canada through Mexico to El Salvador. Couldn’t break it. Bought the new ‘15 fuginugly beak version, never intending to keep it. Still have it. Cumulatively, the three have suffered well over 300 000 kilometers. Good bike? That’s exactly what it is; not great, anaphylactic to hubris, certainly not a fashion statement. Just a damn good bike.
anaphylactic to hubris, nice.
Shit, took me a few minutes to unravel it. Excellent piece of writing. 😮😊
One of the best motorcycles ever built. A legend.
Yes!!!!
I purchased one this year, swapping from a Honda 750 NCX 2019. I find it an excellent bike. It is much more powerful than the Honda. I took it on a 2500 mile journey around Spain & France and it didn't miss a beat. No nonsense bike that handles well, is comfortable to ride(riding 7/8 hours a day) and the fuel consumption is excellent.
Would you rate it higher than the NC 750x (dct) and why. I am looking into the both of them.
@@MrDjjecky I have a '22 650 Adventure. Have 3 bigger and more powerful bikes. I rode this one 300 miles yesterday. Can't praise it enough. Cruising 80 mph on the interstate. I love this Vtwin. Still my favorite.
@@TrustyZ900 Thanks, im saving up to buy a bigger bike by the end of the year or by mid next year latest. My choices are between the NC 750, the Vstrom and the Versys. I keep switching back and forth. I don’t know which one I prefer yet. Here they don’t really allow test rides for bigger bikes.
@@MrDjjecky I didn't have a DCT. The Honda was unbelievable on fuel consumption(80+mpg), the front 'trunk' was also a big bonus. I also rode the Honda around Europe and had no problems with it whatsoever. The main reason I like the V-Strom more is, it has that extra bit of power when needed(overtaking, off the mark, etc). So I would rate the V-Strom over the NC 750x. Fuel consumption on the V-Strom is around 60+mpg.
@@clivethomas7823 Thanks Clive. Two additional questions. As I keep watching videos I have more questions. Between the two, which has the best suspension? Which is more comfortable for riding long distance (seat comfort, seating position, etc)? And lastly I saw some videos where the Vstrom seems to suffer from corrosion even after a short while of ownership. Do you experience that with yours? Well that was three questions, sorry.
As someone who makes a living by fixing bikes,in their category i consider them to be at the top.Decent performance, good weight, easily tuneable,and reliable.Price is right for what it is
how are they off-road? I want a bike I can take down some trails that are more than just a dirt road.
@@cloud9847 nobody said they are off-road.If you want off-road,then you'll be looking at a tenere or something similar.these are not off-road bikes
The Vstrom series, having owned 3 and just bought a new 2022 XT1050 Adventure....truly are 2 of the greatest bikes in the world. They do about everything incredibly well and with great ease and aplomb. Run on 87 octane fuel and get incredible MPG's. And in almost 80,000 miles of Vstrom riding I have yet to even adjust a valve.
Just bought the 650XT a few weeks ago. Absolutely love the bike! Riding it is like floating on a cloud.
I had a 12 plate strom from almost new (950 miles on it) it went out in all weather all year and the only thing it ever needed was tyres oil and 2 sets of spark plugs in 8 years and thousands of miles its quite likely the best bike I ever owned, and I've had lots of bikes if you can think of it I've owned it but that Suzuki was a winner Cheers
Superb bike for people who don’t need to impress anyone. Plenty quick enough and handle great! Reliable and the biggest bike in the class is great for 6 foot plus riders. Love my 2019 and wont be tempted to change it anytime soon.
My Versys 650 adv is a big middleweight do it all too…
Do you have a 650 or 1000?
Just last week I rode mine 500 km in Germany, out of which were 300km on the Autobahn. It was a joyful experience. Enough power, reliable, good ergonomics and exactly 4.2 liters with me plus luggage at appr. 170kg payload. Ilove it. I took it up to 160km/h, frequently, didn't try the top speed, but at 160Km there was still enough room left. 120/130 is a very comfortable cruising speed on the autobahn and at that you are at the best sweet spot for max torque to be able ask for more any time you may want it.
I own a V-Strom 650DL 2010.... And she still good for me. My wife and I travel to several places and she takes us to whatever with comfort and ease. I have no complaints at all.
Very good review - Thank you .
I have the 2020 model in the same colour and have done 7692 miles in just under 2 years. Weekend riding , 2 day a week 120 mile round trip commute, 2 tours 500 mile +.
You are absolutely right that its not a sexy thrill seeker bike but for me , its been a perfect machine that somehow carves a special place in your heart simply by how competent and reliable it is.
It took me a few rides to get use to the throttle and engine braking (which i love now) and found that using E5 fuel is a great improvement.
My commute is 61 miles each way (40 on motorway and 21 through outer and inner London) keeps up with traffic with easy and plenty of shove to pass trucks in a hurry. Filtering in London is easy too. Long trips(5 hours ,2 short stops) no problem at all. Pillion.. what pillion ...
I've lowered the foot pegs, put a Givi screen on replace the hallway sized mirrors with something more aerodynamic. That alone made a big difference to wind noise and dirty airflow.
Your brain may find this bike easy to upgrade , but there will certainly be a fight with your heart. Its that kind of bike
It’s one of those bikes that just fit. I have everything under the Sun, the Vstrom is a riders bike, not a would be GP riders bike or a posers bike. I have 4 bikes I put around 3k a year on each of that. My Vstrom has done that in a couple of months. It’s a pleasure to ride
Due to economic issues, I sold my gas guzzler and started riding. Learned on a VLX for a few months then came across an 06 Vstrom 650 for $2800 with a few small scratches, 28k miles on it. I sold the VLX after it thrashed my hips and never looked back. I have since put 10k on the Strom in less than a year. It has been a great one so far. It lifts the front wheel a little when I want to twist it on take offs and it pulls good up to 80 mph. I've only broken a clutch cable so far. As of now I love it.
My base model cost 4900 pounds brand new with 5 year warranty. Canada was the place to buy em in 2018. It is a great bike for touring 2 lane roads, especially if you want to just enjoy the ride rather than rocket through the country. A faithful travelling horse.
I have a 2014 and i love it. It does everything I want it to do reliability and comfortably.
Dan mentioned the keyword here, and unfortunately its not something reviewers care much about: a workhorse. Many many riders are in the market for a workhorse bike, and the vstrom 650 is a classic in the genre.
Still a brilliant bike. My 2019 is the same as the latest 2022 model apart from new colours and I love it
My 2002 is pretty much the same as the 2022, sans electronic aids.
@@salpairadice How much kilometers have you put on it, if I may ask ?
Well done Dan, that was a perfect review for what I needed to know. Stay safe buddy 🙏
In 2018 I rode around the world, two up on my V strom. 43,000 miles and no reliability issues. Super comfy and 260 miles to a tankful.
That's awesome! Do you have any vids of your adventures?
It's a fantastic bike. I had a 2015 that I always regret selling. It was very smooth and comfortable to ride despite it feeling heavy for me.
I had a 2004 and l regret selling it. It is a insanely good an reliable bike.. Im a all year commuter in norway
True, it's a bit heavier than the other legendary workhorse, the Transalp !
@@pateris the 700cc is about 214kg dry, 04 vstrom has a dry weight at 194kg, 14mod 214kg wet, 17 mod 216kg wet, so really not that heavy, but very top heavy thoe🙂
@@toby7504 Yes, apologies, I meant the 500X that was discussed in the vid. But you're right, it was not obvious, my bad ! Cheers !
I love the sound she makes when you stop accelerating,its got a great tone, just love it!
The first "big bike" I ever rode was my dad's '07 V-Strom and I greatly appreciated its simplicity, ease of use, and linear power. It sounds like an all-new one is in the pipeline, and I'm almost sad to see the original put out to pasture. Hopefully they keep that workhorse spirit.
Some bikes are just built to work. The V-Strom is such a bike. I had a late (2010) gen 1 version, extend the mirrors out, change the screen and ride all day.
I have that exact bike. It's not the funnest bike in my garage but it's definitely the most versatile. I had it well offroad this summer and it did pretty well for a bike of its weight.
Test rides are pretty much not a thing here in Michigan. The dealerships tell me it's an insurance thing, too many idiots were dropping brand new bikes while on test rides and now the insurance won't allow them. Even the people who work at the dealership aren't allowed to ride new bikes. Not sure about used ones. I guess the up side is the last 2 bikes that I bought, I rode them away with 0 miles on the odometer.
I really enjoy your out look on motorcycles mate. More down to earth that all the other vloggers going on about how everything needs 200bhp, and a million electronic and TFTs, half of which is never used by the owners. When did motorcycles go from being about the joy of riding to being the bike being a fashion accessory? I only disagree about the MT07, i rode 1, and walked away cold. keep up the good work.
Having riding joy and technology are not mutually exclusive. My Africa Twin has both and I love both. Changing routes, phoning friends, playing music all on the fly.
I got one today 2023 model first time on a vstrom i hope i will love it like u guys....
I’ve owned sport bikes, super sports, and small and large cruisers. I wish I would have purchased my current 2019 VStrom 650 much sooner. Would have saved myself so much money on bikes that never made me as happy as this bike does. Great fuel range. Bullet proof engine. Does it all. My only complaint is the seat, but I have yet to own a bike where that wasn’t a complaint lol. With all my past bikes, within a year I was already looking at what might be my next bike. I’m a month away from 2 years and almost to 20k miles and I’m just not interested in any other bikes. I hit a Yama, Suzuki/kawa, and triumph/Indian shops today, and nothing was pulling me away from the VStrom. After that trip, I picked up fresh oil and came home, did an oil change, cleaned the bike and went on a long ride and never once thought about those other bikes. I love this bike. I think I’ll keep it for a while.
Good for you! Ride safe!
Looking to make the move myself from a cruiser to this 650XT, how was your transition, especially from the relaxed, stretched-out leg position of cruisers to the upright (ish) position of the ADV?
It's a fantastic bike , what you said is right people compare bike on spec sheets but still don't see the weight difference between Versys and this bike 😜. I sold my Ninja 1000 and bought this bike and very happy with this bike .
I had it for a test ride, XT version. Yes it is a good bike, easy to ride, very good motor, basic offroad capability, i had instant trust in it and in yellow it looks great. Unfortunately some things were missing like quickshifter, LED lights and a dealer who is not more than an hour away from me.
I owned a 2010 Suzuki VStrom, K9 which was the best looking of the bunch imo with the big cat eyes, and the GT model so I had the hand-guards, colour marched, branded panniers and topbox etc. It was absolutely fantastic and I can definitely see myself owning another. Competent, reliable and it remains the most comfortable bike I've ever ridden by a country mile, and I've had cruisers and stuff since then. It was also economical too. Coming back from a camping trip I filled up in the Brecons in Wales, rode all the way back to Lincolnshire, fully laden with full luggage and tents etc, and then to work the next day, before finally filling up on the commute home. It averaged almost 70mpg, even with the city stuff at the end. What more could you ask for?
Love your story on your bike, is the bike to high for 5'8 30 inch leg do like these but height may be a issue
@@DannyT636 Thanks dude, and to answer.. hard to say for sure but you should be ok. It's shorter than you might think, certainly shorter than the Versys 650 which I owned a few years later. I'm 5'10", 32" leg, and it was easy for me. The only issue you might have is it's quite a wide saddle, but you should be fine even if you can't get both heels down.
@@TheSpectre223 That's cool really need to try one for size as never ridden anything like it mainly sports or road bikes, v strom definitely something im thinking to get just height puts me off. Thanks
That engine is a little gem. Ridiculously smooth for a v twin. It spins up beautifully and it performs very good for a 650.
Nice timing with your review Dan. Finished running in my XT yesterday. Really pleased with it. The standard screen is adjustable (with an Allen key) but I’ve changed to a Givi Airflow which, for me, has made a real difference. I did try the Versys which is a bit sportier. 17in wheels and bit more urgency in the engine. I prefer the smooth power of the Vstrom though.
I also changed the screen on my 2021 XT to a Givi Airflow which is brilliant and means I don't have the need to wear ear plugs anymore to cut wind noise. On my 2nd VStrom 650 and simply a brilliant bike as an allrounder. A little less bulk around the top and less weight would be nice - but the positives outweigh these if you do long distances over rubbish roads.
As an owner of a 2022 VStrom 650 I think it's the perfect bike version of a pickup truck. It does most of what you need a bike to do. Glad I have it before they decide to replace the model with something else.
That's a great analogy. 👌
How does it do on the highway? I know it's been almost a year. Just curious because I'm looking into them
@@Sil3ntD3ath478 It will handle highway speeds just fine. The 1000/1050 is definitely the better highway bike but the 650 is just all around better for someone like me at 190lbs 5'9".
@@charliechance8589 I'm looking around at bikes that are smaller because I'm inexperienced, so I'm trying to avoid the larger engines. I'm also a 6'5 300lb so I can't get the more usual small frame newer bikes sadly
@@Sil3ntD3ath478 I completely understand, my age is starting to catch up with me and since I posted the original message I sold the 2022 VStrom 650 and replaced it with a 2023 Honda CB500X. You won't be disappointed with the 650 though.
Great review thanks.
I have a '19 model and like it a lot for many of the reasons you state. It's a great simple, comfortable, reliable bike that's easy to work on and cheap to maintain and run.
It makes a great camera platform for my channel too, as there's loads of room under the seat for electronics, and plenty of options for attaching cameras in various positions.
For the money I think it's a great bike.
Throttle does need a bit of practice to get used to.
Fork dive is noticeable, especially loaded up with boxes and camping kit, or the Mrs. I fitted after market pre load adjusters which helped some, upgraded springs are well priced online too.
Off road it'll get you there but can't compete with the T7 for ride quality and handling. Taking the ABS fuse out off road helps a lot.
I stuck 2500 miles on it in a week including some offroad riding on Conti TKC 80's and it did everything I asked of it very well.
Loads of good value options available online to make it more bike too if you require.
I am looking forward to the new one that's reported to be in development for a '24 release. It'll need to be bloody good to compete with this one for a good number of reasons though, and to properly compete with the T7 it really needs 21/18 wheels and much better suspenders.
Cheers 👍
`Mirrors like Dennis Taylors' glasses'...a whole mouthful of coffee is now dripping down my computer screen; brilliant! :)))
haha 🤓
@@GeordiLaForgery excellent tag mate :)
Wasn't sure many viewers would get the reference. Showing my age a llittle! :D
@@Englishbikerdan Don't even go there Mister :/
@@Englishbikerdan u are Dan, u sound young thou 😊 is it the shape or size of the mirrors? ive only got a gs500f and i find the buffeting bad and wonder if changing the mirrors could help. im 6 4 mind u but feel like i cop it in the chest a lot. im considering going to an sv or dl next, but do u miss much in road handling with the dl v sv ?
ive done a bit to the gs suspension wise with heavier front springs 15w oil and an r6 rear shock it turns in much better now.
just looking at the v twin for more down low pull as i tend to ride in low to mid rpms than up hi, dont think ive ever had the gs to its 10500 rpm redline 🙃
I own the 2022 model since June - and I just love it. It seems, this bike is riding by itself so easy and smooth. So, you can focus on the street and the surrounding. Tried a Tiger 660, but it took 2 min. to find the neutraul - that was ist. Also like the mirrors....
DL 650 transmissions are superb-neutral is always easy to find. Wouldn't replace the stock mirrors for anything.
I’ve had my 2011 since new , 26,500 miles thus far ( I have 2 other bikes) the V Strom has been super reliable , I’ve taken it from Butte MT to Denver a few times , no problem . I put a different exhaust can and a V Stream windshield on mine . It’s my go to long haul bike .
Have the same bike April 2021!! Currently have 14000 Sep 2022. This bike is really a Swiss Army knife. Put some Shad hard cases on it and I go everywhere.
im considering to upgrade from a cb500x to a v-strom650. For touring i think this bike suits me better.
I had a '83 Suzuki GS 650GL (shaft drive) for 16 years. It was a dependable ride. I'm not sure why more mid-size bike don't have a shaft drive. I like the basics in a bike as more tech means more (expensive) problems.
I’ve got a 91k mile first gen V-Storm. The only spot the wee lacks is the big highway especially if you have side panniers with lots of heavy gear.
Just got my first V-Strom (a 2004), and can't wait to ride Canada's open roads. These narrow laneways in England are terrifying!
Enjoy the 'Strom. I'm so used to our little lanes now. :)
I have one! It does everything and more. I test Some bigger bikes gs , multi 950 tiger 900. But for the price its hard to beat!
"hello there. "Hello there!"" LMAO. I'm currently taking my license here in Norway, and its been on a kawasaki z650 which is too small for me (6'4/192cm). On some exercises I got to try the V-strom 650 and I gotta say, it really felt like a fantastic bike. It feels reasonably fast considering the hk/weight. Great ergonomics, very easy handling bike. For taller people where most 650cc bikes will be too small, this seems like a fantastic machine considering the money and practicality of it. Love it!
That motor has been around since 1999, from the original SV650, which I still have, it has gone through many upgrades and is as tough a motor as you can get. Suzuki don't follow the fad of changing the color and calling it a new model.
I have owned more than 200 bikes over the years. Japanese british Italian east european and this is one of the best in my opinion. Such a great all round bike at a great price
That's a lot of bikes!
No, it's a great bike. Had a '17 gen 3 and just bought a '22 650 Adventure. Not one problem in 5 years 40k miles on my '17. Wanted the XT model- the reason for the trade. 60 mpg US , handles great, and power is excellent for a 650.Talked to a tech and he said one DL 650 had 300k miles on original engine. I doubt it's replacement will be as bulletproof. Oh yeah, one thing did fail on the '17. Low beam bulb.
I’ve got a 2014 VStrom1000. It’s a phenomenal bike and I don’t feel the need to buy a BMW or a Ducati. The Strom is well balanced and fun
Love this bike because it’s my bike. But for me is perfect. ❤
The V-Strom 650 is one of the most comfortable bikes out there regardless of price. That is a big deal if you are riding long distance. I prefer the handling of my 500F and the brakes (with EBC HH pads) but everytime I sit on a Strom 650 I really miss my V-Strom. But At age 70 I don't do the long days I used to.
We will see when the new P-Strom comes out, if this bike is outdated. They are legendary in the longevity, reliability and quality. I have a 2002 model with nearly 80,000 miles on it and it always impresses me with it's capability, comfort and power.
I can't wait to see the new bike, I think it'll be a winner.
There is another bonus with vstroms they are always discounted heavily and there brilliant on fuel😁
Perfect for current times!
I have a 2006 and I love it.
If it's not broken why fix it...it's a great bike in its present format
There was a Japanese guy who rode Vstrom 650 from Tokyo to Istanbul Turkey, then all the way to Europe (I think he got all the way to Portugal).
You can find him on RUclips: Hirokichi Sekai.
There isn't many bike that can do that. Hats off to this masterpiece.
Checked out his videos. One leg of the trip he was on a KLR 650 till the engine died. VStrom went the distance. Great machine.
As an owner of a V Strom 650 XT, I must say its a bike that really DOES a lot. Highway, twisties, city, 2 up, and in my case, quite a lot of off pavement stuff. Sure, brakes are not that good (somewhat fixable with better brake pads) and ground clearance could be better, but none of those are deal-breakers for me. That being said, Suzuki is actually preparing an update. Judging from the spy shots, its a 700cc parallel twin (P-Strom hahaha), and looks more off road capable. But I doubt it will do as much as current one.
P-Strom! Love it.
I think they should keep the V-twin.
@@filippocorti6760 me too. Squeezing out a few more horses from the current one would do the trick for me..
@@branislavstanic5195 I have to consider if they are considering the P-twin just for the sake of change.
@@branislavstanic5195 or uping the cc's a bit !!
I rode a 500X for 5000 miles and found it woefully underpowered . Anything above 70 was beyond it's ability. I traded for a VStrom and rode it for two years but was always challenged by the tall seat height. This year I traded up to a Triumph 850 Sport and found that to be perfect for me. The power from the triple is amazing. It'll cruise at 95 mph without a thought.
The 500x can easily do 70, I used to ride mine at 85 on the motorways. I mean, er private test track! 😁 Yeah the Tiger 850 is a peach power wise.
How tall are you ?
@@TheReg83 5'7" on a tall day.
Nice review & a decent bike despite what anyone says. Not sexy, but decent. You can get them heavily discounted too. Spy shots of the new one surfaced a few days ago. Looks like the 1050, has inverted forks & a 700cc parallel twin engine. Hopefully it also has a 270° crank to give it some character.
Yeah, very interested in their new models. 👍
@@Englishbikerdan Likewise. Tbh I"m more interested in the SV & dare I say an SVS model as it's the ideal platform & time to essentially copy Yamaha who I think are on the right track with their range. Supposedly Suzuki are keeping the SV name too despite it not being a V. We shall see in November I guess.
@@ragerider6283 I couldn't possibly comment.... 😁
@@Englishbikerdan Lol. Of course. ; )
cs fantastic bike. I don’t get the hype with all the tech. I actually like that this bike has an analog tach. It’s actually readable and the dash on the tracer 7 is not great on a sunny day.
I recently test rode a bunch of bikes in this segment and I liked the Vstrom the best. The kawasaki is not it in so many ways. The engine is quite boring and the suspension is too weak and it’s too small for anyone over 6ft
The yamaha feels like it needs to prove something. It’s small and lightweight and has a really revvy engine with can get quite annoying during touring. Sure it’s quicker and tries to feel sporty but the suspension is quite spongy, like the mt07
The vstrom is a nice middleground and the suspension is not modern, but it also doesn’t feel like it was designed for a tiny japanese man under 70kg’s like on the kawasaki and yamaha
The engine is quite calm, but has more grunt down low compared to the kawasaki and it doesn’t really feel like it has any less grunt than the t7 for some reason. Could be due to the linearity of the torque curve. The mt07 torque curve is quite weird in some specific rev ranges.
Also, the seat is god tier
This bike is very good. Thats why its so popular still. 😊🇳🇴
'Hello There'
Love my Vstrom XT as well, bought brand new this year 2020 model, have done 8k on it this summer and loved every moment, the buffeting would be my only complaint, still working the best solution for that, Bought a National Vstream Screen and made a difference but still has some buffeting, doesn't help that I am 6'2". Overall the bike gets me where I need to go in decent speed and capability. Great review.
The mirrors cause a lot of buffeting. I bought some aftermarket mirrors for about $35 the set and they're a bit cheap feeling but they fix the buffeting problem. A Givi Airflow screen is also a fantastic upgrade. I dropped the bike in my driveway last winter and in the subfreezing weather the Givi shattered, I need to replace it soon.
This is a great creation, good information, fantastic, thank you.
I am on my second 650 V Strom, just part exchanged my 2015 model with 52k miles for a 2023 model. Great bikes. I did a lot of touring on the 2015 model and the new bike has already been to Wales. I noticed you were riding in my neck of the woods - in an around Farnborough/Farnham.
any updates for 23 or 24 compared to 22? thanks
I've just ordered a new strom 650, it will be number 4, I looked at all the other makes and models but bang for buck and the deal on offer at the moment, £500 off and the first 3 services free it's a no brainier for me, might not be everyone's cup of tea but for me it's the ultimate do it all bike and the engine is a peach.
Can't argue with that logic. 👍
Is it the new inline motor?
@@seatime674 no, V twin
@@Englishbikerdan I'm entertaining these or the Yamaha Tenere 700, looking for something a little more geared towards dirt and do like the inline twin parallel motor versus the V twin, just preference I guess. Not really big on that 1 single pipe on the Strom that comes out of the head that goes under the bike... I heard in '23 the Strom is coming out with the parallel twin that really interests me I have yet to see a picture though
@@seatime674 the T7 will def3be the better bike off road, I personally don't go off road, I agree with you on the look of the front pipe on the strom, also the oil filter is very vulnerable, I bought the plastic lower engine guard from the xt for mine, makes the bike look much better and protects the oil filter, at the end of the day it depends how you want to use a bike, I'm more inclined towards touring and days out whether it be tiny lanes around dartmoor or fast A road blasts to long motorway trips, in all I think the vstrom does all of this really well, it's not everyone's cup of tea and I've yet to try the new 800 which has a parallel twin engine, so that may be a much better bike all round?.
11000 km this summer with my 650XT.
I can drive more than 500 km without getting numb. Also maintenance costs are low in this bike.
Awesome review brother 👏 👍 🙌
Planning to buy between two
Cb500x or v strom 650xt
Still couldn't finalise it.
You review helped lot
Great looking bike great color sounds nice
Great vid! I’m close to buying an L4 model as my first bike. I’m Excited to be owning one, and feel good about my decision! 🙏👍
suzuki doesn't need to update their bikes often because they have great promos and an immense dealer/servicer network. My town doesn't have a pizza place, but it has a suzuki powersports parts dealer. now admitably it's mainly for atvs, dirt bikes, and outboards, but they got the numbers and the catelogs
It is, i want one now👊🏼🙂🔥🔥🔥
Enjoyed the review and the comparison to the Honda 500 is interesting. However, my own comparison when purchasing in this class (coming from BMW RT) was The VStrom 650 vs Honda NC750X (vs Tracer 07 vs Versys 650). That's a fairer comparison, I would say in my opinion. I had my eyes set on the VStrom and certainly it had a lot going for it, not least with a pillion theres a bit more room, but the NC is hard to beat and both are more relaxed, like the VStrom.
That said, I know the CB500X is a great bike, just struggling against these other four.
Thanks, I only mentioned the 500X as many people asked me to compare this against it.
What did you decide? The NC is also at the top of my list, just don't like the idea of loading a big inflatable boat on the rear seat, then having to take it all off to refuel. And the small 14L tank. The Vstrom seems better for loading and strapping luggage if need to with bigger fuel tank and probably better comfort. The Tracer is appealing due to it's motor. The NC has easier valve adjustments though for self servicing which is tempting to me.
@@francoisnel5253 Oh gosh...a lot has happened since I wrote that! Happy to expand on these comments if it helps, but long story cut a little shorter shorter...
When I wrote that, perhaps not clear, I had been running an NC750 DCT new from 2018. A test on the Strom had not disappointed, but the NC was the winner for me and DCT certainly had an edge.
After a couple of years (probably soon after my above comments) I was seduced to change for a Z900RS. Late 2022 I then traded that for two new Royal Enfields, late 2022 (Scram and Interceptor) which were both lovely in their different ways. Then, this year, for more practical longer distance work I bought a second hand 2014 VStrom 650. Gorgeous bike, better two up than the NC, better built, but less easy to service the valves. I kept it for several months then decided I still preferred the NC and that had the edge for my needs, so solfd the VStrom and sought another NC. That was the end of May this year.
Unfortunately, on a demo 2024 NC750 from the local dealer, a van torpedoed out of a side road and hit me smack on. Near fatal, it wrote the bike off and nearly me with it. I'm still mending and sadly had to give up motorcycles, selling both REs.
Were it not for that, I would have gone back to the dealer and either ordered a new DCT NC, or sought an earlier DCT model to which I could add the optional foot shift kit for the manual changes when wanted - best of both worlds.
I would also have kept the REs which are motorcycles with real character and fun, but that's another story.
Forgot to mention, the rear seat is a pain with luggage, but the fuel consumption is a little better than the VStrom. Not just mine, but generally, the NC fuel gauge is unreliable, so you do need to keep an eye on things.
The frunk is a love hate thing - I hardly used it and would have preferred a real tank and more fuel.
NC seat is harsh, but possibly more to do with cheap shock absorber slapping your backside. Strom definitely a long distance machine out of the box.
Oh, and the Tracer - lovely, did try one and friend swears by his. But much more 'plasticky' higher revving and more like a terrier wanting to run and yap. NC and Strom far better.
@@davgb7904 Thanks for taking the time to answer.
Sorry to hear about your accident, glad you made it out alive. That's the thing for me, I've been riding large capacity singles (thumpers) for more than a decade and the simplicity of valve self servicing will affect me too cost wise.
The NC just makes sense if it came with better rear rack like the vstrom, bigger fuel tank and opening not under the seat. The consumption is intriguing, but the V-strom t spoke 19inch with loading and touring ability is intriguing too. The Tracer 700 has longer valve adjustment intervals which is a plus, but the grab rails at the back doesn't even seem to close completely like the vstorm for tying stuff down.
I'd like to take my blowup boat on a ride and the vstrom seems to be more naturally geared to such a thing.
I am considering the NC750 manual though.
Can imagine it's a heavy motor to make impact with another bike / car, etc.
i have an MT-10, and its a bit of a handful in bad weather, this could be a good second bike, cheers mate
Oof, MT10 in the wet!
You could have told me this was a 2006 model and I would have believed you.
I'd say more like 2013-2014.
And that's the thing, it's still a great bike.
@@Englishbikerdan I'm sure it is, I just wish Suzuki weren't so conservative with their design.
I have the 2006 version and it’s delightfully similar
@@dsofe4879 the rav4 of the bike world ?
I loved mine it's simple smooth handled ok it was awesome round Scotland many times cheap to run I do miss it
Decent honest bike.
LED headlights get you noticed more but often don't offer the complete illumination a clear optic halogen unit can. LEDs are very focused and the cold colour removes depth perception too. I like Suzuki sticking to the halogens - just make sure you put an upgrade bulb in.
It looks almost like a perfect motorcycle, I like it
A lot of people missing the point. People buy cars when they want a workhorse. The sales figures simply do not bear out that bikers want a workhorse. Maybe they do if they have just one bike and need it for everything but the vast majority of bikers, certainly in the UK, are 3K miles a year fun riders. The other crucial difference is that people generally buy a bike with their heart rather than their head. There’s nothing wrong with the V Strom, other than charging 2022 money for a 2010 bike. Suzuki have been here before, with exchange rates making cheap bikes expensive and a lack of genuinely new products resulting in many dealers dropping the brands as they had so many unsold bikes. Yamaha had the same issue but re-invented themselves pretty successfully. My last Suzuki was a GSX1250 and there’s basically nothing newer in this bike (ironically that bike with nearly double the capacity, retailed foe less than this. Ike does now when last on sale a few years ago). At £7K it’s a bargain. At nearly £9K it’s overpriced very old tech. Did I mention it’s fugly too? ;)
I don't think people are missing the point, they just don't share your opinion. Which is fine. A bike is a more cost effective way to travel for me, don't even get me started on parking charges! So it's a no brainer. This fits many people's idea of what makes a bike functional and yet fun. Looking forward to the new V/P-Strom.
Suzuki mad now Dan 😆 this SV's look class, white and blue 👌
Haha, they are just decent bikes that seem to be criticised a lot, unfairly I think.
Maybe it's because of the asymmetrical dash or the go pro mount being off but around the 11 minute mark the handle bars looked a bit bent.
Great review as always. Suzuki sells an air cooled 250 CC version of this bike here in my country but they use GSXR 250 frame for it instead of the regular V stroms.
Hey Dan, great honest review thank you for that. You did a video on Tiger 850 and I wonder how would you compare the 2, would you spend the extra money?
I think Dan purchased a Tiger 850…so yes he would spend the extra
For me the VStrom in yellow with the gold spoked wheels is the best looking bike ever , it's a practical everyday bike which I think is the best sort of bike .
It’s amazing how we all see things differently. I think the front end is hideous. Glad you love it
@@moreorlesdone1497 Well personally I think that Touring bikes are THE bikes , I hate sports bikes with a vengeance because they are only good for hooning about and speeding and are really impractical , unlike Tourers which are the definition of practical .
I totally agree. Have a '22 XT adventure 650. Love the headlight and front cowling. I also have a new Z900 RS and sitting next to one another, the VStrom looks classy. 2nd 3rd gen in 5 years. I love 'em!
@@moreorlesdone1497I first found it hideous when I came to know about it. But the bike keep coming up as a top choice for a middle weight adv bike. I had wanted the cb500x, but the lack of power and price-value was off putting. Ended buying a used black-yellow 2017 650 XT and it’s a beauty in person and in photos.
I was close to buying one, but I ended up with a 2022 BMW 1250 R/T...The V-Strom actually makes more sense..Dollors and Sense!
new Suzuki 700 parallel twin Motor next year, this is the durable 90 degree 650 V-Twins last year, get them while you can !!!
Yep, hopefully will get to ride it soon.
Very enjoyable video 👍
Thank you 👍
Thanks for the review of the current version of this excellent bike. I’m very, very happy with my 2012 V-Strom 650. I bought it new in 2013. It now has 98k miles on it. I’ve ridden it through 36 states so far. I’ve done only standard maintenance on it with one small exception, I had to replace the starter throw switch. The front and rear brake rotors lasted over 90k miles for me. It’s been extremely reliable so far. It’s very comfortable for long rides, over the years I have done more than 700 miles in a day many times. I’m hiramrides on a popular photo sharing platform.
what economy cruisin ?
@@rhett7716 Over the life of the bike so far, I have averaged slightly over 55 mpg (US gallons). In the low 70’s mph, I am around 50 mpg. If I’m going in the mid 80’s mph for a long period of time with luggage it can fall below 40 mpg. My best tank ever was 64.6 mpg.
Thx for the comparison to the 500x v useful information 👌
I Have a 2009 V Strom 650 this is a wonderful motorcycle, I will never part with it, the mos comfortable bike, this is the best bike Suzuki has made,Thank you Suzuki🚴
If you are big then the v Strom is the better bike - at 6’3 the v Strom is fine but the competition is cramped.
I like that they used the aluminum frame!
I've noticed now that some places are selling these brand new for £5999 and the XT version as shown here for £6699. What a bargain! I'm still a few grand short though :(
@9:12 ... with a can swap (arrow in my case) and a lithium battery, it goes down 7 kilos.
My 2014 has just under 40k on it, I use it loads
Kind of a odd headliner/ question..How could any of the bikes using the sv650 platform not still be a good bike? especially after a 23 year production run. I am in my 70's now, owned & ridden so many different bikes during my riding life. Everything from a 1937/38 Harley Knucklehead (my first big bike) when i was 15 years old, to a 1999 unrestricted Suzuki Hayabusa when i was in my late 60's ( which was my very last moto), clocking in well over 1.75 million miles over 60 years.
Had a 2001 sv650s and just loved everything about that bike. i called it the "pollywog" because of the beautiful round lines of the 1st gen half fairing. Had a TLS 1000 widowmaker a few years before the sv1000 came out,the TL left way too much to be desired. Aside from the sv650s, Knucklehead & Hayabusa being favorites, my other personal favorite GOAT bikes are a Triumph 200 cubs cafe & mountain cubs, Honda 50,55,70, & 90cc trail scooters, 2000 CBR 600rr, 2006 Suzuki DRZ 400 supermoto, Kawasaki VN800 drifter, 1953 BMW r50, 1964 moto guzzi X hwy patrol bike, 1954 HD Panhead & 1972 sportster factory flat tracker (3) 1978/79 Honda gl1000's which as daily riders i collectively put nearly 750k miles between all 3 bikes, A Honda ST1100 and a honorable mention to the 1955 BSA a10 which mechanically taught me alot about having great patience & adapting to the concept of restoring something so senseless & futile. Being old, hardwired analog and DIY in my nature, it's hard for me to wrap my head around most the newer bikes. Do appreciate the technical advances in suspension and EFI- fuel delivery but other than that new bikes are just so space butt ugly to look at, i guess that is what bike covers are made for.
I don't think it's an odd question at all, as I explained at the beginning of the video. People believe this bike is outdated and not worthy of consideration. Hopefully I've swayed some others to give it a try.
Hi Dan, interesting what you said about spoked wheels being right for off-road use. Is that because cast wheels are not good for harder or off-road applications?
Spoked wheels can take more of a beating, cast wheels can be bent easier if you hit something really hard. In my experience with offroad on cast wheels, its been fine. Don't do hard enduro on those and you can do most offroad (single lane, most gravel etc)
For a good all-around bike that won't break the bank.
Probably the best bike u can buy that is this size.
For many they would like more hp.
Most of the time its enough.
Totally! It’s a solid choice for sure. Sometimes you don’t need all that extra horsepower-just enough to have a blast!
@Englishbikerdan I have a 650 kawaski. 95 percent of the time it has enough power. Hard to justify spending alot more money to get one with another 10 hp.