Phuket Aviation Highlights 3/3 | Low Landings: Myanmar, iFly A330, 747 Star Alliance & more

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  • Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024

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  • @toonytoon263
    @toonytoon263 4 года назад +3

    Phuket​ (HKT), Thailand.​ My​ country.​ 😊🇹🇭

  • @tomf5053
    @tomf5053 4 года назад +84

    13:22 A Very fast Landing and no taxiing😂

    • @plty3931
      @plty3931 4 года назад +5

      Tom F lmao nice one man

    • @Number-yk3zc
      @Number-yk3zc 4 года назад

      Lol

    • @Lolo-pg9we
      @Lolo-pg9we 4 года назад +3

      Woow😂😂😂

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  4 года назад +5

      Haha that's a good one! Thank you very much! I wish you a great weekend!

    • @tomf5053
      @tomf5053 4 года назад +4

      @@FRAproductions thanks :)
      I wish u a good one too👍
      # five weeks Coronahollidays xD

  • @pf5658
    @pf5658 5 лет назад +22

    NOK Air has a pretty cool looking airplane color.😊👍🏾

  • @trustweb99
    @trustweb99 5 лет назад +62

    People say Phuket is Asia's Sint Maarten ... And these shots prove just how true it is (with lots more heavies along the way) !

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  5 лет назад +7

      Yes. Sint Maarten have some lower landings but in my opinion Phuket have some better movement und better positions. I Wish you a Great weekend

    • @trustweb99
      @trustweb99 5 лет назад

      FRAproductions HKT's longer runway definitely helps :)
      And thanks !

    • @MatrixDiscovery
      @MatrixDiscovery 5 лет назад

      Are area around the airport at Saint Maarten is a shit hole.

    • @chrispaw1
      @chrispaw1 4 года назад

      Phuket is a shit hole whereas St Martin is a paradise in comparison.

    • @TimDaOne
      @TimDaOne 4 года назад

      @@FRAproductions you're German got you HA

  • @ssidfromiceage6935
    @ssidfromiceage6935 4 года назад +6

    A 747 from Bangkok to Phuket! WOW

    • @Vladpryde
      @Vladpryde 4 года назад +1

      Bang Cock to Fuck It. I can't be the only one who sees that. XD

  • @stuyoull4333
    @stuyoull4333 5 лет назад +14

    Really loved these videos,especially the Star Alliance TG 747,I've flown on that very plane on the same route last year.Big thumbs up

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  5 лет назад +3

      Oh have you enjoyed it? Thx die the Feedback!

  • @sbblmb
    @sbblmb 5 лет назад +28

    Professional quality and good production with the different camera positions of the same landings. 👍

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  5 лет назад +2

      Thank you for that comment!!

    • @landenyousef7998
      @landenyousef7998 3 года назад

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    • @benraphael3310
      @benraphael3310 3 года назад

      @Landen Yousef instablaster :)

    • @landenyousef7998
      @landenyousef7998 3 года назад

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    • @landenyousef7998
      @landenyousef7998 3 года назад

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  • @inspond3330
    @inspond3330 4 года назад +17

    nokair: 737 for a 1 hour flight
    thai: we will just use a 747 for the flight thanks

  • @user-jo2nv9jq1b
    @user-jo2nv9jq1b 5 лет назад +4

    Nok​ ​air​ beautiful 💜

  • @ji-pa-ta8468
    @ji-pa-ta8468 3 года назад +1

    My home. Miss HKT Airport

  • @tanakorndeenuson3968
    @tanakorndeenuson3968 5 лет назад +5

    Wow phuket i love thailand

  • @wouttz5397
    @wouttz5397 5 лет назад +3

    I LOVE THIS AIRPORT

  • @hamannshaikh7398
    @hamannshaikh7398 4 года назад +2

    Hello; I really really enjoyed ur video.
    *SO BEAUTIFUL & STUNNING CATCHES* 😍😍😍
    ENJOY EVERY TIME 😎

  • @RavinderKumar-ru8um
    @RavinderKumar-ru8um 5 лет назад +16

    The quality of video is so good I got confused is it real or fake. Good job mate.

  • @4vndd
    @4vndd 5 лет назад

    The area around the runway.. beautiful green hills...right next to the beach.. wow.. superb.. it's one of the prettiest runway/ apron / taxiways one has ever seen ...and the way the aircraft come in low over the water.. really nice.. lovely shots..!!! thanks for sharing!!!!

  • @bmrg641
    @bmrg641 5 лет назад +4

    Fantastic!! One of the best spotting vids On RUclips!! Wish I had chilled in that beach when in Phuket. Next time!

  • @aroundtheworld-shadialkasi3182
    @aroundtheworld-shadialkasi3182 4 года назад +3

    Nice video , Thanks for sharing , Good job

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  4 года назад +1

      Thank you very much! I wish you a great weekend!

  • @grantmiller6570
    @grantmiller6570 4 года назад +4

    Beautifully sharp and clear images, nice job.

  • @3MinutesofAviation
    @3MinutesofAviation 4 месяца назад +1

    You really have a great set of videos on here, I really enjoy watching through them :) May I show a landing from this video as well? Of course with the link back. Best regards!

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  4 месяца назад

      Huge thanks man! We're glad to read that! Of course, feel free to take anything from our channel, as long as it is linked back and we're mentioned its totally fine. Best regards!

  • @sebastianruiz4652
    @sebastianruiz4652 4 года назад +3

    Amazing shooting!!! Best quality i' ve ever seen; congrats! Saludos desde Argentina

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  4 года назад +2

      Thank you very much! ¡Saludos desde Alemania!

  • @nickmiller60
    @nickmiller60 4 года назад +28

    2:03 who takes a b747 for a one hour flight

    • @hottuberrol968
      @hottuberrol968 4 года назад +2

      I’ve done that exact flight. In business class , front of lower deck , it was like being in a giant Winnebago RV, big open space , huge old armchair seats spaced well apart....probably 1990s first class seats... hilarious

    • @powerpower740
      @powerpower740 4 года назад +1

      ssabEr fn there is a a380 for 40 mins

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  4 года назад +4

      I thinl that many passengers travel to Phuket around December and January but im not sure! Thanks you very much! I wish you a great weekend!

    • @slappymcgillicuddy7532
      @slappymcgillicuddy7532 4 года назад

      it is probably part of a longer route, They drop into Phuket and head back

    • @harleyrobertson5646
      @harleyrobertson5646 4 года назад +1

      saber a i know I saw one which was flying from Manchester to London Heathrow which is only 30mins!!!

  • @milindvengurlekar9058
    @milindvengurlekar9058 4 года назад +2

    9:45 I love this LANDING this is amazing and way much better than A320's i thing it was at 145 or about close to 150knots
    Embrer erj landed perfectly at Touch down point 👌

    • @Aranator
      @Aranator 2 года назад

      That’s a 737 mate

  • @jaberalfaifi4478
    @jaberalfaifi4478 5 лет назад +6

    In min. 0:33 there is difference between right engine and left engine is it?

  • @aroundtheworld-shadialkasi3182
    @aroundtheworld-shadialkasi3182 4 года назад +1

    Very Good , Thanks for sharing

  • @eyetrapper
    @eyetrapper 5 лет назад +4

    Fantastic

  • @user-ui5df7gt7w
    @user-ui5df7gt7w 5 лет назад +10

    There's queens(B747) in a beautiful scenery LOL :) Cool Video!!

  • @flyingdentist
    @flyingdentist 3 года назад +1

    outstanding footage

  • @QueSeraFredE
    @QueSeraFredE 4 года назад +1

    Wonderful footage. Some great angles/POV - almost as if you were in the control tower!

  • @MountainSalsa
    @MountainSalsa 4 года назад +2

    Incredible audio and video thank you so much!

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  4 года назад +1

      Thank you very much! I wish you a great weekend!

    • @MountainSalsa
      @MountainSalsa 4 года назад

      @@FRAproductions why thank you!

  • @Super152499
    @Super152499 5 лет назад +8

    ชัดเจนมาก ใช้กล้องกี่ตัว สุดยอด เห็นแต่ต่างชาติ บ้านเรากะมี

    • @Littleboy31742
      @Littleboy31742 5 лет назад

      Kamsai Phiewglom ก็ฝรั่งมาถ่าย

    • @nightmarexxiv404
      @nightmarexxiv404 5 лет назад

      น่าจะถ่ายหลายวัน

    • @molidasch851
      @molidasch851 4 года назад

      @@nightmarexxiv404 ถ่ายไม่ถึชั่วโมงครับ

  • @kazimierzperek2253
    @kazimierzperek2253 5 лет назад +3

    Beautiful plane. 👍 ☺

  • @robjacobs5199
    @robjacobs5199 5 лет назад

    Some great shots there. Great place to come to for a holiday (our 3rd) and hopefully more to come.

  • @sweetmint2021
    @sweetmint2021 4 года назад +2

    I love planes. But it's a very long flight to Thailand. we are tired. And when we arrived, we were surprised by the taxi prices. Very expensive. I had to rent a car. When we were in Phuket we rented a car. We rented a car because taxis are expensive. We rented a car for 12 days. The people who work there are professional and friendly and we were in and out within 10 minutes. Car was like new and the staff give you a # to call 24-7 with any issues. Would strongly recommend the Orange car Phuket (easy find to google or RUclips ) if you need a car or motorbike!

  • @prateekyadav5578
    @prateekyadav5578 4 года назад +4

    12:45 i thought it's propellers gets freezed 😂😂🤣🤣

  • @seyirnotlaricatshomecookingtrv
    @seyirnotlaricatshomecookingtrv 5 лет назад +4

    Nice landing.Beautiful plane! 👍

  • @brandlynnyoung3123
    @brandlynnyoung3123 4 года назад

    Awesome videos!
    My friend asked what I was up to while watching this. I told her I was watching big birds. She misunderstood and thought I was talking about watching Sesame Street's Big Bird. Why would a 36 year old watch such a show?
    I screenshot one of these planes and sent it to her.
    She then understood which big birds I was watching.

  • @urszulajaskierska3111
    @urszulajaskierska3111 4 года назад +1

    Co za fantastyczne samoloty,najbardziej podobał mi się ten znamalowanym dziubkiem,jak pięknie przyziemił,zazdroszczę wrażeń wszystkim podróżujący takimi samolotami,oraz operatorowi tego wspaniałego filmiku 👏👏👏 UWIELBIAM PATRZEĆ

  • @Airport22R
    @Airport22R 4 года назад +3

    AMAZING BEAUTIFUL JOB!!!

  • @bikerman6907
    @bikerman6907 4 года назад +3

    Very nice video indeed! 👍👍

  • @SnowPrinceYaHooooooo
    @SnowPrinceYaHooooooo 4 года назад +1

    Phuket @Thailand.

  • @Thomas1980
    @Thomas1980 5 лет назад +5

    Wow... great video!!

  • @Jgator78
    @Jgator78 4 года назад +1

    1:01 is it me or does the plane now look like from a flight sim?

  • @dipu94321
    @dipu94321 5 лет назад +2

    I'll be going to Phuket in 4 months. I really wanted to take Thai, simply for the fact that they use a 747 on this route and given the circumstances, they'd go extinct sooner or later. But alas, the extremely short layover time from my origin, a mere 35 minutes, basically made it impossible for us to take it.

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  5 лет назад +1

      I hope you'll get that plane!

    • @smeal.z2327
      @smeal.z2327 2 года назад

      Sad that now Thai airways don’t have 747 and 380 anymore

  • @Thomas1980
    @Thomas1980 4 года назад +2

    👍👍👍great Video👍👍👍

  • @kyawkokosatnaing4394
    @kyawkokosatnaing4394 4 года назад

    myanmar national airlines is my favorite airlines and i am from myanmar

  • @ritchiebesas631
    @ritchiebesas631 5 лет назад +9

    i noticed most international airlines are from Russia. are russians the majority of tourists in thailand?

    • @kaalepjuhkam7870
      @kaalepjuhkam7870 5 лет назад +3

      Baahog Beelat yes there are a lot of Russians that go to Thailand. In pataya (I think that’s how you spell the city) there is a whole area where Russia tourists go on vacation

    • @banana-rama
      @banana-rama 5 лет назад

      There are Chinese tourist more than Russian tourist.

    • @chaowalit9635
      @chaowalit9635 5 лет назад

      @@kaalepjuhkam7870 Pattaya

    • @chanb.1619
      @chanb.1619 5 лет назад

      Tourists to Thailand from China 10.2 millions and from Russia 1.5 millions in year 2018.

    • @kujursameer86
      @kujursameer86 5 лет назад

      Chinese and Indians make a major chunk

  • @FlyingAsia
    @FlyingAsia 5 лет назад +3

    Great compilation from Phuket mate, subscribed! I will plane spot the next time I visit, those are some great views.

  • @pjakkie8836
    @pjakkie8836 2 года назад

    ชอบ สุดยอด👏👏😘😘

  • @Chatta-Ortega
    @Chatta-Ortega 4 года назад +1

    Love the livery on the first aircraft from Fly.

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  4 года назад +1

      I really like the Livery of HiFly too! Thank you very much! I wish you a great weekend!

  • @mikec9636
    @mikec9636 4 года назад

    Super cool video. Great work getting high quality vids.

  • @hammadmahmood2128
    @hammadmahmood2128 2 года назад

    Do you get flight information from the Flight Radar 24 application?

  • @chanb.1619
    @chanb.1619 5 лет назад

    This is my favorite point in Phuket. This part of beach is also the national park (Maikao Beach) . You have to walk 2-3 minutes from the parking to this location.

    • @lwysparagon8109
      @lwysparagon8109 4 года назад

      ขอหาดไม้ขาว ให้เต่ามะเฟือง น้าหงาได้เคยบอกไว้

  • @jhonhplanespotter..6824
    @jhonhplanespotter..6824 5 лет назад +2

    Awesome video mate liked. !!!!

  • @nattv9498
    @nattv9498 4 года назад +1

    great

  • @aoffychannel280
    @aoffychannel280 5 лет назад +5

    I love tg

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  5 лет назад +2

      Me too

    • @aoffychannel280
      @aoffychannel280 5 лет назад

      @@FRAproductions I plan to fly bkk-hkt by boeing 747-400 soon I love this airplane but olded

  • @MUCSpotter
    @MUCSpotter 5 лет назад +2

    Echt super klasse Video. Big LIKE

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  5 лет назад

      Danke für deine netten Worte! Schönes Wochenende noch

  • @JelmersAviation
    @JelmersAviation 5 лет назад +1

    What an amazing compilation mate! Liked!

  • @SuperSubotic
    @SuperSubotic 5 лет назад +1

    Einfach Überragend in Phuket 😍

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  5 лет назад +1

      Ja dieser Airport hat echt was in so einem Paradies!

  • @ZONYA_TH
    @ZONYA_TH 2 года назад +2

    8:44 Welcome Russia🇹🇭❤🇷🇺
    11:24 Goodbye forever Newgen airways
    This airline focuses on flying from Thailand to China. But the airline shut down in 2019🙋🏻‍♀️🙋🏻
    13:34 Welcome Kazakhstan🇹🇭❤🇰🇿

  • @kevintiger7376
    @kevintiger7376 4 года назад

    Wow I wanna go this beach

  • @0847579646
    @0847579646 5 лет назад +1

    thanks you. your video so good

  • @joesix-pack4022
    @joesix-pack4022 5 лет назад +1

    Great job!

  • @MarcoYoutube333
    @MarcoYoutube333 4 года назад

    What lens would you need to get a full frame of the aircraft at the jungle?

  • @SEALSeaAirLand
    @SEALSeaAirLand 4 года назад

    Nice video! i love plane spotting too 😍

  • @mylosairplanefan
    @mylosairplanefan 5 лет назад +2

    Wieder ein Klasse Video, super Aufnahmen, und schöne Flugzeuge! Kann Ich nur Daumen nach oben machen :)

  • @paulstewart2ndchannel
    @paulstewart2ndchannel 5 лет назад +4

    Great quality footage! It's very smooth! Is it 50fps?

  • @or7652
    @or7652 5 лет назад +1

    Amazing footage!

  • @MrJAOfficial
    @MrJAOfficial 4 года назад +2

    iFly A330-300 (Russian Federation)

  • @AviationFDH
    @AviationFDH 5 лет назад +2

    Super Aufnahmen von Phuket! Ich wollte dort im Sommer also im August dort auch spotten, aber leider fliegen die zu dieser Jahreszeit von der anderen Seite an

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  5 лет назад

      Danke! Ja leider teils aber manchmal dreht der wind ja. Falls du es schaffen solltest viel Glück. Schönes Wochenende

  • @hafizanpeace
    @hafizanpeace 4 года назад +1

    Nok Air 🐤🐤

  • @harsesuper
    @harsesuper 5 лет назад

    Vers nice

  • @user-rj5qr9sh2d
    @user-rj5qr9sh2d 4 года назад

    บ้านผมๆ สวยๆ

  • @zukiki1029
    @zukiki1029 5 лет назад

    Wow..very good!

  • @beticc
    @beticc 3 года назад

    2:23 This girl with her sun xDD

  • @marcelomorais8497
    @marcelomorais8497 5 лет назад +1

    Muito lindo este vídeo parabéns

  • @ngocbich1950
    @ngocbich1950 5 лет назад +1

    Nice video

  • @christian-jakobgrasl
    @christian-jakobgrasl 5 лет назад +1

    wooooooooow grandioses video wie immer !

  • @dookdik37ppk
    @dookdik37ppk 5 лет назад +1

    👍👍👍

  • @FlorianScheller
    @FlorianScheller 4 года назад +1

    Nice😁

  • @travelbird9359
    @travelbird9359 4 года назад

    Fantastic video! Just watched it on my new 4K screen, unbelievable! What camera and lens do you use?

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  4 года назад +1

      Thank you very much! Camera is in description: Sony RX10 IV

  • @tammytam2000
    @tammytam2000 2 года назад

    I have been there

  • @suryani6104
    @suryani6104 2 года назад

    Phuket: Princess Juliana Airport

  • @Aviatorspot
    @Aviatorspot 5 лет назад +2

    Awesome video man. The hills where you filmed, where is it? How do get there? I am going there to do some spotting from the beach, hills, airport,etc. Such a great location.

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  5 лет назад

      Near Mai Khao, Amphoe Thalang, Phuket 83110, Thailand
      maps.app.goo.gl/oMU4ayKDUiBqPDar5

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  5 лет назад

      This is the Location you can go by Taxi (do not park here). Then go 50 meters on the main road to east. On the right side you find a very small and hidden "way". Hard to climb. 20 Meters Up. Thats it. But remember it's forbitten. Because of Military basis

    • @Aviatorspot
      @Aviatorspot 5 лет назад

      @@FRAproductions Oh thank you so much. I'm going there next week. if its steep to climb, then I go to the beach only. Is it safe at the hill since its hidden away from public?

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  5 лет назад

      The Beach is Safe. The Hill Not and also Not 100% Hidden. We had hard Problems with police...

  • @burma_kit
    @burma_kit Год назад

    Are u suer this is myanmar?

  • @MatrixDiscovery
    @MatrixDiscovery 5 лет назад +2

    6:00 what's with the gun boat??

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  5 лет назад +1

      It was there for the safety of the Family King

  • @ssidfromiceage6935
    @ssidfromiceage6935 4 года назад

    Nok air is the type of Airline to pay for liveries instead of their facilities

  • @LockheedMartinF22Raptor7
    @LockheedMartinF22Raptor7 4 года назад

    Pilot: We have to lose a lot of altitude to land here. We might have to fly right over their heads!
    Co-pilot: will they be alright about it?
    Pilot: yeah, it's like we're not gonna land on them.
    Co-pilot: aight. Phuket.

  • @TheSirbirus
    @TheSirbirus 5 лет назад

    Fantastic video!. Did you know the airport authority of Thailand plan to close the beach next to the runway ? because some people did harm to the aircraft during landing and taking off.
    I'm really sad to heard that news, In the future we will lose many opportunities to inspire the children joining the aviation industry.

    • @willchrisananda
      @willchrisananda 5 лет назад

      They have just officially announced that the beach will not be closed for plane spotting but make sure to not using flash, laser or anything that might confuse the pilots. 😉

  • @raphaelj.o.4628
    @raphaelj.o.4628 5 лет назад +1

    Klasse Fänge dabei Maxi! Daumen weit nach oben und liebe Grüße aus Wien. PS: Kommst du zur Siko in MUC?

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  5 лет назад

      Danke! Ja bin aber nur am Sonntag da am Freitag kann ich nicht zu den arrivals wirst du bei den arrivals da sein?

    • @raphaelj.o.4628
      @raphaelj.o.4628 5 лет назад

      Ja, fahre extra am Donnerstag abend schon los. Am Freitag bin ich in der Schule "krank" ;)

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  5 лет назад

      @@raphaelj.o.4628 haha ich mach das nicht aber viel Glück ich bin dann aber für die Departures da das sollte mir reichen

    • @raphaelj.o.4628
      @raphaelj.o.4628 5 лет назад

      @@FRAproductions Haha, man muss nur gute Noten in der Schule schreiben, dann mögen dich die Lehrer und lassen das ein oder zwei Mal durchgehen ;P

  • @TawanMomo
    @TawanMomo 3 года назад

    15:49 Crazy to think that this plane, within a month later, would go on and suffer a nose gear failure

  • @airjackson7457
    @airjackson7457 4 года назад +1

    Phuket, let's watch planespotting videos!

  • @kittikulmongkolsawas9410
    @kittikulmongkolsawas9410 5 лет назад +2

    Royal Thai Air Force Airbus A319-200

    • @FRAproductions
      @FRAproductions  5 лет назад

      Thats an A320

    • @lwysparagon8109
      @lwysparagon8109 4 года назад

      @@FRAproductions I remember from the news at the purchase time. it's A319. The comment owner should be correct.

  • @pattadon2006
    @pattadon2006 5 лет назад

    ไปยืนถ่ายตรงไหนได้บ้าง ขอคำแนะนำหน่อยครับ

    • @molidasch851
      @molidasch851 4 года назад

      ต้องทำเรื่องขอทางฝ่ายจังหวัดครับ

  • @denisveit6228
    @denisveit6228 4 года назад

    Name something better than a 747-400, I'll wait!

  • @Damm.mmir...
    @Damm.mmir... Год назад

    13:29 not UR, UP-B6703
    UR Ukraine
    UP Kazakhstan

  • @pump066
    @pump066 5 лет назад

    Domodedovo by the sea!

  • @sydneykiage5907
    @sydneykiage5907 5 лет назад +2

    Dog are weirdly beautiful lol😂

  • @MFS-xq9pr
    @MFS-xq9pr 4 года назад

    Princess Juliana who?

  • @AirGuruTravel
    @AirGuruTravel 5 лет назад +1

    Everyone who want to to go to plane spotting and recording there should take care. It´s prohibited and and can be fined.

    • @trustweb99
      @trustweb99 5 лет назад

      AirGuru yup, that recent rule ...
      But seriously though, how can planespotters there harm pilots (unless, of course, they play with laser pointers, GPS or something like that) ?

    • @AirGuruTravel
      @AirGuruTravel 5 лет назад

      I don´t know... That´s Thailand... The pilots have often suggested that they feel disturbed from the people there. Why? I don´t understand it too... But people should be careful (only with camera)

    • @willchrisananda
      @willchrisananda 5 лет назад

      Now is fine to go spot the plane here. (most recent official announcement) as long as u don't use the laser or anything that could confuse the pilot. Otherwise, big deal.

  • @masterapp6354
    @masterapp6354 4 года назад

    Phuket Thailand?