honestly you raise some really good points here and i'm... really tired of it having gone from "it's satisfying to watch someone's evil plan blow up in their face" to "this guy disagreed with our protagonist, MAIM HIM!" like yeah it was fun watching tom and jerry or roadrunner because like... they were actually being antagonistic. tom was actually attempting to harm jerry wile e coyote was attempting to harm roadrunner so the harm they get in return feels more like karmic retribution it feels like a triumph for those who are being attacked. but it's kinda starting to feel like the punishment is overkill when the "crime" is like... not worshipping the ground the protagonist walks on. you briefly mentioned ace attorney and while you didn't go into it much i am curious to hear about your thoughts there if it's alright to ask? it is one of my favorite game series and while i haven't played through the latest games there are a bunch of characters that, while perhaps not so cartoonishly as the other examples in this video, kind of strike me as "oh you've turned them into a joke." larry especially strikes me this way?? it feels like he's gone from "childhood friend of both phoenix and edgeworth who can be a bit much at times but means well" to "some guy that they knew but both secretly or not so secretly hate who Ruins Everything." and perhaps more in the spirit of this video i feel like they tend to be very very harsh towards gumshoe and downright mean to him?? it's very disheartening especially when he is genuinely trying his best to help you. i am curious to see who you had in mind!! if i may offer some advice, i won't bring up the mixing thing as everyone else already seems to have done so, but i will say that perhaps in the future when picking out backing tracks it might be best to avoid anything with lyrics? the lyrics really distract from what you're saying as i'm hearing two entirely different conversations essentially. i know a lot of people tend to use video game soundtracks but really anything instrumental is a good pick as long as it's mixed well and isn't like.. completely tonally dissonant i think
first off, thanks for the engagement! secondly, when i brought up ace attorney i initially had apollo justice in mind. it felt like he got kinda shunted off to the side in AA 5, especially since he only got one real game to himself. although now that i think about it more, it has been a while since ive played, and im wondering if it only sidetracked him or if it actually dipped into bullying teritory. worth a replay i guess. you bring up a good point about gumshoe, i never really thought of it much but goodness, he really does get the shit end of the stick a lot. i think edgeworth layed off after AA 1, but franziska was just a bitch to him. and yeah she was a bitch to everyone, we stan the whip queen, but i think he got the brunt of it. regarding larry, i always saw him as "that one friend you have who always has some shit going on, but is generally nice to be around." hes not around all that much, but when he is hes either useful or trying to be funny. the comedy there comes in the form of him just being places, prompting a "what the hell are you doing here lol?" and also the fact that he seems to thirst after a new woman every week. maybe its just been a while, but i dont really think that phoenix or edgeworth hate him. maybe they get tired of him, but i can understand that. i mean his gross negligence was at least partially responsible for a crime one time. last game i ever saw him in was trials and tribulations, and i was happy he got a good ending by becoming an artist. you know this has made me realize that i havent played AA in a bit. i should change that.
@@karb__ ohh yeah i could see that!! it is really disappointing that they sidelines apollo in the apollo justice trilogy but i haven't been able to see just how bad it gets as i haven't played past aa4 yet- partially because everyone's thoughts on the last two games kind of have me scared. admittedly i might be overreacting to the whole thing with larry but i just sort of get the feeling that as the games go on people seem less. happy? to see him? or less ok with seeing him? and sometimes it does feel a bit mean spirited, though i'll admit i also haven't played aa in a bit and have a tendency to exaggerate things in my mind once it's been a while. i am really glad that things turned out well for him at the end of trials and tribulations though and in my head he's firmly cemented as a friend :-) and yeah i don't have much to add about gumshoe he was trying his best and it feels like even after edgeworth eased up he still never really caught a break. and then they don't even bring him back. which i get but i miss him. i can't wait to see what you end up making in the future!! audio issues aside this was a very good video imo and i can't wait to see where you go with it :-)
At best, this tropes suggest that being bitter as a result of putting up with everyone's bullcrap day-in and day-out makes you a bad person. Have these animators/writers ever worked a day of their lives in the service sector? It's awful! In the case of Squidward (and I guess the Josh guy but idk I never watched Clarence) they turned the most relatable character of the entire show into the universe's punching bag. I have difficulty believing the artist behind these productions are really that sadistic, but if they worked in the service sector or were bullied growing up, maybe they're masochistic? Also you probably don't need another person to mention it but you did ask what you could improve on. The audio mixing in some parts is terrible. 💀
@@A-lik REAL I hear horror stories about people having to work in service, and being at least jaded as a result of that is a completely normal response. And its unfair to portray that as an inherent flaw worthy of punishment.
It's more likely just media brainwashing type shit to make people grow up into suckers and punish those that "refuse" to be suckers or some shit. Idfk.
Hey I enjoyed this video but like the other commenters have said the music is a bit too loud and makes your voice hard to hear so you might wanna keep this in mind for your next video.
If you do a reupload with improved audio i'm sure alot of people would appreciate it, since this is a topic that intrigues me but I struggle to hear the video. That being said, absolutely agree with the video title.. I also am not a fan of people romanticizing abuse either. You either got the people who think it is the funniest joke ever or they think it's hot. Homestuck / Hiveswap fans seem to be filled with people who think abuse is adorable (including the developers, unfortunately.)
@@dreamyplanet768 horrible how it happens Unfortunately im an absolute dunce and deleted the project file. However im not against the idea of effectively re-making the video with some better examples. (Meg griffin)
Worst offender of this is Sidekicks for me. Main character had a national holiday where everyone beats the shit out of them, even their weird obsessive crush. Every episode he gets screwed over, I hated that show, and I’ve hated this trope ever since. Also the audio mixing isn’t bad after the intro
hey this is really good !!! id expect this to have way more views and im glad youre doing what youre doing my one criticism is you should definitely turn down the music more but its not NEARLY as bad as the other commenter is insisting i promise i know how negative they sound
to be fair to rick and morty, i think that its very aware of the fact jerry is abused by his family. it's more a subversion of the trope, part of his character arc is overcoming the abuse in later seasons. while rick is the protagonist of the show, i think that the writers intend him to be interpreted as an abusive person and asshole to everyone else, and that despite his intelligence his ego is so massive it's unwarranted (protagonists can intentionally be bad people too). people that already exhibit his kind of behavior in real life like to cheer him on though (my mom did this), but i think the point is you dont want to be like him.
I was gonna include jerry here but i realized that he probably deserves a video all on his own because of his arc. I still think the writers like to punch down on him for "the funny" but they break away from the trope by actually doing something with it.
@@gerpil1530 what do you think you silly goofball, you absolute meat stick, you absolute baffoon, you absolute goober, you absolute grabby ballsack, you absolute son of a gun, you absolute garbage can, you absolute bimbo jock, you absolute cheesy sock?
@@AiNaKa ah yes, because Clarence's running gag with Joshua being a punching bag is advertising abuse. dude, complain about something actually normalizing abuse. cartoons aint it chief, kids find slapstick humor funny, it's not that deep.
@@tao6866 slapstick humor is funny on its own yeah, but with the wrong context it can just get boring as hell. Its not as funny to watch a guy get slapped for doing nothing as it is to watch a guy get slapped for being a bitch.
The sound made this difficult to watch
Made it 6 mins in before we had to change it
I reckon it’s worth reuploading
bro berates abuse tropes in shows but has no problem abusing me with these sound levels
honestly you raise some really good points here and i'm... really tired of it having gone from "it's satisfying to watch someone's evil plan blow up in their face" to "this guy disagreed with our protagonist, MAIM HIM!" like yeah it was fun watching tom and jerry or roadrunner because like... they were actually being antagonistic. tom was actually attempting to harm jerry wile e coyote was attempting to harm roadrunner so the harm they get in return feels more like karmic retribution it feels like a triumph for those who are being attacked. but it's kinda starting to feel like the punishment is overkill when the "crime" is like... not worshipping the ground the protagonist walks on.
you briefly mentioned ace attorney and while you didn't go into it much i am curious to hear about your thoughts there if it's alright to ask? it is one of my favorite game series and while i haven't played through the latest games there are a bunch of characters that, while perhaps not so cartoonishly as the other examples in this video, kind of strike me as "oh you've turned them into a joke." larry especially strikes me this way?? it feels like he's gone from "childhood friend of both phoenix and edgeworth who can be a bit much at times but means well" to "some guy that they knew but both secretly or not so secretly hate who Ruins Everything." and perhaps more in the spirit of this video i feel like they tend to be very very harsh towards gumshoe and downright mean to him?? it's very disheartening especially when he is genuinely trying his best to help you. i am curious to see who you had in mind!!
if i may offer some advice, i won't bring up the mixing thing as everyone else already seems to have done so, but i will say that perhaps in the future when picking out backing tracks it might be best to avoid anything with lyrics? the lyrics really distract from what you're saying as i'm hearing two entirely different conversations essentially. i know a lot of people tend to use video game soundtracks but really anything instrumental is a good pick as long as it's mixed well and isn't like.. completely tonally dissonant i think
first off, thanks for the engagement! secondly, when i brought up ace attorney i initially had apollo justice in mind. it felt like he got kinda shunted off to the side in AA 5, especially since he only got one real game to himself. although now that i think about it more, it has been a while since ive played, and im wondering if it only sidetracked him or if it actually dipped into bullying teritory. worth a replay i guess.
you bring up a good point about gumshoe, i never really thought of it much but goodness, he really does get the shit end of the stick a lot. i think edgeworth layed off after AA 1, but franziska was just a bitch to him. and yeah she was a bitch to everyone, we stan the whip queen, but i think he got the brunt of it.
regarding larry, i always saw him as "that one friend you have who always has some shit going on, but is generally nice to be around." hes not around all that much, but when he is hes either useful or trying to be funny. the comedy there comes in the form of him just being places, prompting a "what the hell are you doing here lol?" and also the fact that he seems to thirst after a new woman every week. maybe its just been a while, but i dont really think that phoenix or edgeworth hate him. maybe they get tired of him, but i can understand that. i mean his gross negligence was at least partially responsible for a crime one time. last game i ever saw him in was trials and tribulations, and i was happy he got a good ending by becoming an artist.
you know this has made me realize that i havent played AA in a bit. i should change that.
also thanks for the tip about the audio!
@@karb__ ohh yeah i could see that!! it is really disappointing that they sidelines apollo in the apollo justice trilogy but i haven't been able to see just how bad it gets as i haven't played past aa4 yet- partially because everyone's thoughts on the last two games kind of have me scared.
admittedly i might be overreacting to the whole thing with larry but i just sort of get the feeling that as the games go on people seem less. happy? to see him? or less ok with seeing him? and sometimes it does feel a bit mean spirited, though i'll admit i also haven't played aa in a bit and have a tendency to exaggerate things in my mind once it's been a while. i am really glad that things turned out well for him at the end of trials and tribulations though and in my head he's firmly cemented as a friend :-)
and yeah i don't have much to add about gumshoe he was trying his best and it feels like even after edgeworth eased up he still never really caught a break. and then they don't even bring him back. which i get but i miss him.
i can't wait to see what you end up making in the future!! audio issues aside this was a very good video imo and i can't wait to see where you go with it :-)
Blud really complains about tavros but doesn't mind what bro did to dave all his life in every waking moment
Dear lord, i could pick apart the horrendous abuse bro put dave through for a solid hour, because holy FUCK was he bad.
Bad guardian, Worst friend.
Yeah I was fucking with you dude it's ok.
I can barely hear what you are saying in the video
Use subtitles wuss
@@joshuam-vn9rd They're auto-generated and those tend to be wrong %50 of the time
@ayeslpirninsev better than nothing, if you aren't going to take even a partial solution don't complain
@@joshuam-vn9rd Sorry ;-;
@@joshuam-vn9rdthey aren’t complaining by saying this they’re litterally helping the person who made the video
You have a nice voice but I can barely hear you over the higher pitched, slightly too loud music
At best, this tropes suggest that being bitter as a result of putting up with everyone's bullcrap day-in and day-out makes you a bad person. Have these animators/writers ever worked a day of their lives in the service sector? It's awful! In the case of Squidward (and I guess the Josh guy but idk I never watched Clarence) they turned the most relatable character of the entire show into the universe's punching bag. I have difficulty believing the artist behind these productions are really that sadistic, but if they worked in the service sector or were bullied growing up, maybe they're masochistic?
Also you probably don't need another person to mention it but you did ask what you could improve on. The audio mixing in some parts is terrible. 💀
@@A-lik REAL
I hear horror stories about people having to work in service, and being at least jaded as a result of that is a completely normal response. And its unfair to portray that as an inherent flaw worthy of punishment.
It's more likely just media brainwashing type shit to make people grow up into suckers and punish those that "refuse" to be suckers or some shit. Idfk.
Kneecaps are overrated
Hey I enjoyed this video but like the other commenters have said the music is a bit too loud and makes your voice hard to hear so you might wanna keep this in mind for your next video.
@@DingusWaDingus thanks for giving it a watch! Definitely gonna work out the audio mixing for next time, that seems to be the most common complaint
No offense, but the sound mixing is really bad, turn down the music
If you do a reupload with improved audio i'm sure alot of people would appreciate it, since this is a topic that intrigues me but I struggle to hear the video. That being said, absolutely agree with the video title.. I also am not a fan of people romanticizing abuse either. You either got the people who think it is the funniest joke ever or they think it's hot. Homestuck / Hiveswap fans seem to be filled with people who think abuse is adorable (including the developers, unfortunately.)
@@dreamyplanet768 horrible how it happens
Unfortunately im an absolute dunce and deleted the project file. However im not against the idea of effectively re-making the video with some better examples.
(Meg griffin)
Worst offender of this is Sidekicks for me. Main character had a national holiday where everyone beats the shit out of them, even their weird obsessive crush. Every episode he gets screwed over, I hated that show, and I’ve hated this trope ever since.
Also the audio mixing isn’t bad after the intro
never seen it but jesus that sounds awful.
i like this video but the mixing could really use some work
hey this is really good !!! id expect this to have way more views and im glad youre doing what youre doing
my one criticism is you should definitely turn down the music more but its not NEARLY as bad as the other commenter is insisting i promise i know how negative they sound
underated ahh video
to be fair to rick and morty, i think that its very aware of the fact jerry is abused by his family. it's more a subversion of the trope, part of his character arc is overcoming the abuse in later seasons.
while rick is the protagonist of the show, i think that the writers intend him to be interpreted as an abusive person and asshole to everyone else, and that despite his intelligence his ego is so massive it's unwarranted (protagonists can intentionally be bad people too). people that already exhibit his kind of behavior in real life like to cheer him on though (my mom did this), but i think the point is you dont want to be like him.
I was gonna include jerry here but i realized that he probably deserves a video all on his own because of his arc.
I still think the writers like to punch down on him for "the funny" but they break away from the trope by actually doing something with it.
I disagree, you know nothing about comedy.
Haven't seen this video.
Is this sarcasm?
@@gerpil1530 what do you think you silly goofball, you absolute meat stick, you absolute baffoon, you absolute goober, you absolute grabby ballsack, you absolute son of a gun, you absolute garbage can, you absolute bimbo jock, you absolute cheesy sock?
There's some real potential here, but you haven't yet nailed it. I think you can though! Definitely start by rerecording, speak louder at the mic too.
why are you looking critically at this
its a children show, they found it funny.
no piece of media is without criticism!
normalizing abuse and bullying to children is even worse actually
@@AiNaKa preech
@@AiNaKa ah yes, because Clarence's running gag with Joshua being a punching bag is advertising abuse.
dude, complain about something actually normalizing abuse. cartoons aint it chief, kids find slapstick humor funny, it's not that deep.
@@tao6866 slapstick humor is funny on its own yeah, but with the wrong context it can just get boring as hell. Its not as funny to watch a guy get slapped for doing nothing as it is to watch a guy get slapped for being a bitch.
Bro fix the sound, I can't understand you over the music, like at all.