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thanks for the comment! to say they handled simon and betty poorly is an understatement, even in the main show. betty should've stopped obsessing over him in "temple of mars" and the finale should've just been the gum war. shermy and beth and casper and nova just did not need to be here at all. it wouldve been better if simon explained more about he and bettys lives and fionna was like "that sounds kinda bad..." and have him accept that betty sacrificed everything for him that way. its really sad that they REALLY want this show to be about simon, but the actual content is fine at best and insulting at worst.

@@karb__ thanks I'm also think about Simon already accept Betty's sacrifices and letting her go earlier (like, few days after the Gum War and GOLB War, and after him visiting Prismo)(and also he learned about Betty in OOO through others' stories. I remember the fanfic from 2018 about it. It's called "It's all right"). He does it because he wants to broke this vicious cycle of sacrifice. And only thing he can care about right now is him trying to have a place in OOO. And he grow tired with that, because of the people who wants him to be magical Ice King again, and only ones who cared about him will be his friends from original cast) and Betty should've be the one who doesn't want to let go of the past and Simon can teach her to do it. And also i remember someone else's comment on Tumblr about her being more chaotic because of her fusion with GOLB instead of more wiser. That's can conform their characters with their original series' personalities. That's can be more understandable than F&C. And i'm also for fun imagine a headcanon, where GOLB interrupts into Betty's spell and switching places. Because of that Simon transported into GOLB'S mind and Betty sent into Shermy's head. Simon as GOLB can try to use its powers to help Fionna and Cake, but because he never use chaos powers before, everything goes wrong, and that's why they came to idea use something different and to a thought about "magic is not the answer". Betty-as-Shermy will trying to find a way to get back to the GOLB's dimention and hurting Beth in a process (like in a "good ol' days"). After that Beth can rightfully calling Betty reckless and blind. And after reading "Casper and Nova" Betty learned her own lesson (i sometimes see Simon as Nova and Betty as Casper, and Betty as Casper and Nova can be everybody else who Betty met and hurt when she were on the quest to cure Simon. Like Finn or King Man) and also she learned that is not a right lesson for Simon to teach. Maybe they both can learn that's they should accept the past and let it go. There's a lot of ways to solve it, but creators go in a wrong dirrection.

@@karb__ and also this S&B stuff reminds me about Connie-drama from SU season 5. When Crewniverse prioretizing Connie's side and anger about Steven's rejecting her offer to fight with Aquamarine over Steven's journey on a Homeworld, Lars' absence and his parents' reaction about him dying and resurrection into a pink zombie, new knowledge about Rose Quartz and Pink Diamond, and the fact that Diamonds will came to Earth in any moment. That's doesn't make sense because Aquamarine was too powerful to defeat (she freeze Alexandrite and everyone who tried to escape her ship) and Steven's sacrifice was the only way what saves everyone. And also Connie takes Lion with her and he stays with her, even when he was the only thing to Steven to connect with Lars and The Off-Colors. And then they showing that Steven truely in a wrong (but he is not) and he is only one who should've apologise to Connie and learn a lesson from this (even when Connie was mostly in a wrong). And F&C does the same thing. When this prioretizing Betty-stuff over Simon's real problems and arc.

@@chipsnorquaso see- see, this is what everybody says its like "oh my god-"

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hi, thanks for the comment! i agree that it did take me a bit too long to get into the meat of the video, and i plan to fix that for later projects. hm... i think youre right about me lumping together observations, like diavolos character work and the execution of the story. but i'd say that its still good execution, by way of diavolo having good writing. i'll say that jojos writing is really good when stand users exploit their powers and tell the viewer just how it works, yeah. but i still find it interesting what king crimson does instead of that. diavolo is shrouded in mystery, and a lot of the confusion brought on by him and his stand in universe is because of that. sometimes it gets inconsistent though, either intentionally or accidentally, so it compensates for its inconsistencies by being super cool. and while that may work, you still run the risk of the inconsistencies being too much for some people, because they'd rather have their story make sense 100% of the time. and thats a valid thing to want, i can totally see how people would bounce right off diavolo for that reason alone.

Exactly, I feel like people still do not fully grasp King Crimson and what it actually does, granted this is also because Araki didn't properly explain it in words and only hinted at all the details, but if one really analyses every scene, it's actually very easy to start seeing how King Crimson operates in a consistent way (granted since it's never directly brought up in the full detail, so scenes need to be reconstructed, like how linguists do dead languages etc.), but King Crimson actually can be explained in a fully consistent way that doesn't contradict anything and fits with the themes of JoJo and Part 5 in specific. It also reveals how King Crimson is way more broken and OP than many think and why Diavolo getting his punishment through GER for cheating/overwriting his own Fate is sort of expected and valid.

That happened in real time seconds though? It cant make sense. They wouldnt stay there reactionless when watching their friend get skewered into the gate. That was minimum 2 *real time* seconds.

Trish hands mista his bullets during a skip, it doesnt only erase diavolos actions.

@@karb__ I don't see how that contradicts what I said. Negative things that happen TO DIAVOLO get erased. Nothing else does.

@@karb__ that's normal, it doesn't contradict anything. Stuff happens during it, it's just that they do what they normally would do as if Diavolo never attacked (but KEEPING the results of his actions that never actually happened to his target because of Epitaph predicting them as part of target's fate, but only to the target of Epitaph, nobody else). So why Trish keeps handing Mista his bullets (and dropping 4 for symbolic significance of doom that happened afterwards), just like when Bruno acts as if Trish was still with him and others as if Narancia was still alive, because it's simply that Diavolo changed/erased his fate and with it also their memories of this segment and more importantly ALSO their reactions to his erased action that never happened = no reaction exists as a result since it rests on Diavolo's fate being unchanged and him actually carrying out the action/attack. It's not they don't move like in time stop, it's that Bruno doesn't move because he's holding Trish's hand calmly as if she was there with him, standing still, waiting calmly with her to reach the top. Narancia the same, it's as if he was still there unharmed, so Trish keeps handing Mista bullets and others waiting behind the pillars, standing still or whatever they would do if Diavolo never attacked in the first place. But them being targets of Epitaph do get "teleported" because if Epitaph shows that Trish ends up without her hand in Diavolo's arms under the elevator and that Narancia ends up dead on the bars, it happens to them, but since Diavolo erased his the action that did this, reactions of others to this fact are also erased, only Narancia and Trish's fates being original and unchanged (because the reaction of others is actually part of Diavolo's fated action, not really resting on them - if Diavolo never actually attacked it's obvious they wouldn't just suddenly have their Stands ready and looking up at dead Narancia, but due to Epitaph showing them before using King Crimson, Narancia and Trish are still met with the predicted result of Diavolo's now already never realised actions)

@@Ultimate_Hater75 if i had a nickle for every time a flamboyant man could pass for lesbian in part 5, i would have 5 nickles. Which isnt a lot but its still odd that it happened 5 times. (In case you were wondering, its diavolo, bruno, abbachio, risotto and narancia)

YOU YOU GET IT!!!

as someone whose favorite song is "21st Century Schizoid Man", and pfps are usually the band, i definitely agree lmao 🔥🔥

upon closer inspection, star finger skirts by because stands were very much a new thing, and we dont know all the ins and outs yet. but still, it was funny and out of left field.

crazy diamond beat the shit out of the motorcycle until it came apart, multiple pieces were broken, and he fixed it before he hit the ground. dio and jotaro did both, i didnt include it but jotaro literally jumps in mid air one time, so sky physics arent exactly working. at the very least they can levitate (but only when its cool) the rules for the game were 1. they must make 100 passes without the ball touching the ground 2. they have to catch and throw the miraschon cant move or raise her voice 3. the players must be 3 meters apart and no closer 4. they cant hold onto the ball for more than 10 seconds miraschon moves immediately after jolyne tells her not to, merilyn manson appears when the ball never touched the ground (we can rule out the pass taking longer than 10 seconds because miraschon admits to not being able to prove how she lost), and the only rule that stays consistent is the 10 second rule. creative writing isnt a flaw, but i never said it was. i was actually praising the scene.

@@karb__Yeah it’s weird how Kiss bringing the ball back before it hits the ground but Jolyne doing the same with Stone Free isn‘t but hey, it’s badass

@@geschnitztekiste4111 jolyne breifly forgets that shes a jojo, a family with the words "big brain" etched into their DNA, lmao

@@karb__ I forgot to type „considered cheating“. Sorry about the confusion. I think it’s weird that Marilyn Manson considers Kiss bringing the ball back cheating but when Jolyne does basically the same thing, it’s fair game

Well yes, but not quite. What's fated to happen _will_ happen one way or another, whether anyone sees it or not. Epitaph merely allows Diavolo/Doppio to see what is fated to happen in the next ten seconds, and then King Crimson allows Diavolo to defy his own fate by "erasing time" and turning the world around him ghostly for up to ten seconds, so that nothing can harm him. Everyone and everything other than Diavolo is totally bound by what Fate has decided, but they forget what happened in those ten seconds because those ten seconds kind of didn't exist.

@@gamerdomain6618 or hes just really fast

the issue is that the power comes out of nowhere. and thats fine when SU is being a saturday morning cartoon, like in steven floats and the new lars, but its not ok when you use that same logic to resolve a large conflict. hm... youre making me think more on book 2's ending. perhaps ill re-examine it and make a video.

Doesn't explain why Bucciarati didn't move whatsoever during the skipped time. If Trish were stolen from him, you would think he would attempt to retrieve her. “… or Diavolo's ability was conflated with The World's ability to stop time.” - Rohan Kishibe, Viva Reverie's “Giorno Explains King Crimson”

@@gamerdomain6618 Those two things can't be conflated, as time stop can be worked around, while the time skip can't. Let's say you know Jotaro is about to stop time but you want to kill him, we couldn't possibly; unless he has someone with him you can target instead and he won't have enough time within time stop to save them while also keeping himself out of the way. You could also argue that if you keep your moves wide or unpredictable, you could potentially hit him after time stop ends. But with time erase, you have no chance. Everything that is fated to happen by Diavolo's hands, will happen. If he is fated to save the person with him, he can just skip past that time and that person will be saved but he doesn't have to put himself in danger, as he could stay where he is or relocate, and there is nothing you could do about that, it is fated to be like that. You also can not hit him with something unpredictable or wide, since he will be able to see through it in the time skip and can attack accordingly. The only workaround seemed to be with Buccarati when he ran away, but he had the perfect ability for running away in a way that is almost impossible to see. Also I'm pretty sure it does explain why Buccarati didn't move his head. No one seemingly does anything within the time skip that they weren't already planning before it started, as they can not react to changes within time skip. This is why no one reacts to what Diavolo does within time skip, yes it is fated to happen, but they did not experience it, so they did not react to it and kept going as if nothing happened. That is why Mista gets the bullets handed to him during time skip but doesn't realize, the act of Trish given them was already going through her mind and body, so she did it in the skip, but Mista didn't see himself being given more when he asked, so he was not ready to help protect everyone yet. TL:DR on this is that They do what they were gonna do before the skip, but can't react to anything in it so that is why they are never in a position they would have been if the skipped event had happened outside of skipped time.

Oohh i really like the idea of there needing to be intend for them to move, that makes sense!👍

@@gamerdomain6618 because Diavolo being the creator of the action that would produce the reaction of Bruno (Bruno not being the target shown by Epitaph) erased his action that would produce the reaction, since it's part of Diavolo's fate that was changed/erased, Bruno acted as if nothing changed and was calmly holding Trish's hand, acting as if she was there still, waiting with her calmly to reach the top, standing still... this is what would happen if Diavolo never attacked and because Diavolo's fate of attacking was changed by Diavolo to not actually attacking and carrying out the action, thus carrying with it Bruno's reaction (only when Diavolo is the one that starts it, not when he receives it, then others move normally), it never actually happened, Diavolo never attacked in the first place so Bruno had not reason to react in any way. But since Epitaph is absolute, if it showed that Trish ends up in Diavolo's hands below the Elevator with her hand severed (as what would happen if Diavolo didn't use King Crimson), she does, but if Epitaph never showed Bruno in the prediction, Bruno acts as if Diavolo never attacked since he's not bound to this fated result of Diavolo attacking. This is how it makes sense, imo while being consistent with King Crimson's power of fate erasure for Diavolo's actions/fate.

I relate to this, for what I think this means, but i'm pretty sure it's just the way I thought at first, & this stuck around so I could comment on this, 'since were here', & 'in too deep' things, maybe.

then why didn't bucciarati's head move within the skip, instead of after it? he would've been facing in that direction after the skip, because you don't just cut someones hand off and have the person holding it *not* notice while its happening. i don't like the fate answer because it makes you think too much about a scene for which a surface level reading is all that you need.

ive got a peer reviewed study here *progressive guitar riff* ... ... it says- it says you're dead... *guitar riff*

i really don't like that answer, as it just makes me question exactly how the original scene was supposed to play out. why did noone have their stands out by the end of the skip? surely they would've if an attack was fated to happen. why was everyone more or less in the same place as they were previously? they probably would've moved in the event of a blatant attack, either preparing a counter attack, or having gotten out of the way if diavolo targeted them. how did diavolo know this would happen? he has to project epitaph onto something to see a prediction, and i feel like someone probably wouldve gone "hey trish, whats that weird projection thing next to you?" if he did. but he didn't, he just skipped time and narancia was dead. noone there had any clue that narancias life was in immediate danger, including diavolo. the only way i can see this happening is if he thought about killing narancia, skipped time to see if it was fated, and somehow had noone notice until afterward. and like. dude, your team is still not out of the clear, being spatially unaware isn't a thing you do when an angry stripper wants you dead.

@@karb__ King Crimson is an extremely powerful and quick stand, as it turns out, and the time erase/skip ability is shown to be able to be triggered over very short periods of time. King Crimson could've very well have impaled Narancia on the metal bars quickly enough so that there was a delay between King Crimson coming out and everyone summoning their stands (which is plausible in the same universe where Jotaro could get himself a drink so quickly that even a professional gambler couldn't figure out how), then using time erase so that no one remembers seeing king crimson come out. In a similar vein, Diavolo might've just projected epitaph in a really discreet way, in the same universe where Joseph could hide an ENTIRE FUCKING THOMSON UNDER HIS JACKET. Also what's the game you're playing? It completely melted my brain when I first saw the footage

@@karb__ the viewing of epitaph on doppio's hair is probably a diagetic thing for the audience rather than a condition of its use, KC could monitor undetected until he sees a favorable outcome then skip over it so he A) doesnt expose himself B) doesnt have to deal with the consequences of having actually repostioned since his fate of chucking Orange boi up would move him. skips over the action but choses to stay in hiding so the action still happens instead Diavolo never reveals himself. as for how TF Orange boi got up there with no one reacting to it well. it is BS i wont argue, but KC is fast (see him smoking Silver Chariot) and we dont know *exactly* what happend. maybe he broke the bars before hand and all that was erased was him throwing naracia up then stopping the skip, so all that was skipped was a quick action. leading less time for the others to react and thus, little change after the skip. but yea. its gets less cool the more you think abt it have a good day lad. LOVED THE VID (dont be pressured to do jojo content exclusivly if this vid does well, altough i defos will tune in if ya choose to do so.) <3 edit: more evidence of KC's speed comapred to team Bucci is when diavolo skips time to attack Giorno who tries to react but gets outsped and almost decommissioned with a single swip to his valuable arm. KC is a beast edit edit: massive KC glazer here ^

​@@TeeArCreep in the moments leading up to the scene, trish (in mistas body) always has eyes on her, even after the skip. so using epitaph would've been pretty damn hard, even if you were as discreet as possible. this leads me to believe that even if diavolo attacked within less than 5 seconds (accounting for the time it takes to break bars and impale someone, and also pass bullets into someones hand), at the very least SOMEONE would've made a face, or gotten closer, or been in a position to attack, with or without their stands. also the games raldis crackhouse, its super fun.

good point... and thank you!

Counter opinion here. I actually really enjoyed your preamble and context the subject at hand.

you know what, thats on me. bad line read. we dont ever see it directly but its very much so implied. if i could re-write that, i'd have it say "so in his first scene its implied that he touches things in skipped time."

thanks!

first off, thanks for the engagement! secondly, when i brought up ace attorney i initially had apollo justice in mind. it felt like he got kinda shunted off to the side in AA 5, especially since he only got one real game to himself. although now that i think about it more, it has been a while since ive played, and im wondering if it only sidetracked him or if it actually dipped into bullying teritory. worth a replay i guess. you bring up a good point about gumshoe, i never really thought of it much but goodness, he really does get the shit end of the stick a lot. i think edgeworth layed off after AA 1, but franziska was just a bitch to him. and yeah she was a bitch to everyone, we stan the whip queen, but i think he got the brunt of it. regarding larry, i always saw him as "that one friend you have who always has some shit going on, but is generally nice to be around." hes not around all that much, but when he is hes either useful or trying to be funny. the comedy there comes in the form of him just being places, prompting a "what the hell are you doing here lol?" and also the fact that he seems to thirst after a new woman every week. maybe its just been a while, but i dont really think that phoenix or edgeworth hate him. maybe they get tired of him, but i can understand that. i mean his gross negligence was at least partially responsible for a crime one time. last game i ever saw him in was trials and tribulations, and i was happy he got a good ending by becoming an artist. you know this has made me realize that i havent played AA in a bit. i should change that.

also thanks for the tip about the audio!

@@karb__ ohh yeah i could see that!! it is really disappointing that they sidelines apollo in the apollo justice trilogy but i haven't been able to see just how bad it gets as i haven't played past aa4 yet- partially because everyone's thoughts on the last two games kind of have me scared. admittedly i might be overreacting to the whole thing with larry but i just sort of get the feeling that as the games go on people seem less. happy? to see him? or less ok with seeing him? and sometimes it does feel a bit mean spirited, though i'll admit i also haven't played aa in a bit and have a tendency to exaggerate things in my mind once it's been a while. i am really glad that things turned out well for him at the end of trials and tribulations though and in my head he's firmly cemented as a friend :-) and yeah i don't have much to add about gumshoe he was trying his best and it feels like even after edgeworth eased up he still never really caught a break. and then they don't even bring him back. which i get but i miss him. i can't wait to see what you end up making in the future!! audio issues aside this was a very good video imo and i can't wait to see where you go with it :-)

never seen it but jesus that sounds awful.

I was gonna include jerry here but i realized that he probably deserves a video all on his own because of his arc. I still think the writers like to punch down on him for "the funny" but they break away from the trope by actually doing something with it.

@@dreamyplanet768 horrible how it happens Unfortunately im an absolute dunce and deleted the project file. However im not against the idea of effectively re-making the video with some better examples. (Meg griffin)

no piece of media is without criticism!

normalizing abuse and bullying to children is even worse actually

@@AiNaKa preech

@@AiNaKa ah yes, because Clarence's running gag with Joshua being a punching bag is advertising abuse. dude, complain about something actually normalizing abuse. cartoons aint it chief, kids find slapstick humor funny, it's not that deep.

@@tao6866 slapstick humor is funny on its own yeah, but with the wrong context it can just get boring as hell. Its not as funny to watch a guy get slapped for doing nothing as it is to watch a guy get slapped for being a bitch.

Dear lord, i could pick apart the horrendous abuse bro put dave through for a solid hour, because holy FUCK was he bad. Bad guardian, Worst friend.

Yeah I was fucking with you dude it's ok.

@@A-lik REAL I hear horror stories about people having to work in service, and being at least jaded as a result of that is a completely normal response. And its unfair to portray that as an inherent flaw worthy of punishment.

It's more likely just media brainwashing type shit to make people grow up into suckers and punish those that "refuse" to be suckers or some shit. Idfk.