INSANE! Metro Exodus: Enhanced Edition vs Metro Exodus 2019 Ray Tracing Comparison and Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- A lot has been said about Metro Exodus: Enhanced Edition full Ray Traced Global Illumination (RTGI) system. Does it live up to the hype? I've done a side by side comparison of the introduction and first main area of the game Volga to see the RTGI techniques at work.
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
1:12 PC Specs
1:40 Ray Tracing and Global Illumination Info and Examples
4:41 Global Ilumination side by side comparisons - Tunnel
6:23 Abandoned Building
7:21 Van Cut Scene
7:43 Train Yard
8:27 Volga Lake - Reflections
8:50 Volga - Church - Bounce Lighting
9:17 Dungeon
9:27 Train Shed
9:49 Time of Day effects on Ray Traced Shadows
10:33 Summary and RT Performance on a RTX 3070
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I think the problem with this and other RT games, is that RT can change the entire atmosphere. Often using ray tracing the scenes become considerably brighter. ...... The only way to revert back to the original atmosphere would be to rework the game. Either by reducing the light source, by making a smaller window or opening where light comes in. Or reworking the colours and constrasts of objects.
That however would be a massive undertaking. Instead devs throw RT in and say "That's it".
Whereas the orignal setting is what they developed for. They worked their artistry to make that.
Overall while ray-tracing can be spectacular, it can also detract from the original work. That is unless the devs were prepared to remake the game around ray tracing.
Many thanks for this video though, as it covered everything I was thinking about; original RT vs Enhanced Edition.
Some people just want it to look as realistic as possible, this game being more bright in enhanced version and it changing the atmosphere doesn't change the fact that it just looks much closer to what it would look in real life. I personally absolutely love the enhanced edition as it is without a doubt very realistic looking.
@@zedus4042 No, it doesn't look more realistic. That's marketing BS. You cannot partially ray trace a scene (which is what is being done here), and then claim realism. You will only have an aesthetic change. You won't have realism.
@@thatfirstone "partially ray trace"? Exodus Enhanced edition is fully ray traced when it comes to lighting and so far, the only game ever to feature an infinite bouncing light rays. In comparison to non enhanced version, it just factually looks much closer to how light works in real life. + you don't need to know how this stuff works, anyone with functional eyes can tell that it clearly looks more realistic.
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Looks very good! And i mean crazy good!
Btw: very well made video, comparison shots were very effective.
Yeah it does - at times it looks REALLY realistic (i know that gets thrown around a lot). This is as close to photoreal colours as I've seen since Driveclub on the PS4. Its about colour, light, shadow.
Thanks btw - it took ages to make the video.. and you wonder why there's so many talking head videos online now. 😄
Can’t wait for metro exodus enhancement on series x big upgrade in lighting from a console user. Great video.
Given how good the performance is on the 3070, the consoles are more than capable to run ME with noticeable differences. I think people are going to talk about this a lot when it comes out.
@@JimRPG the pc version also has the addition of RT reflections, which the console versions won’t use the RT reflections, but all the other RT settings so that can also claw back extra performance
This looks simply amazing! Ray tracing is certainly revolutionizing how games look and play.
Yes 4A Games did an amazing job with this one. The ray tracing is something else! But its only just getting started, in ME when you get the right time of day, it looks like magic! So there's still a ways to go to get it looking like that all the time.
One must argue that enhanced edition, although looks good like just from a visual perspective, it actually ruins a lot of the artistic and moody lighting that is built upon the last two metro games, so the normal edition's ray tracing option is the more immersive option to go for if you aren't looking for eye candy since the enhanced edition's visuals completely lose that gritty metro style - tldr; raytracing is not good for atmospheric games
"One must argue" WHY MUST ARGUE? ARE YOU STUPID?
Ray tracing IS good for atmospheric games if the game is designed with RT in mind from the start. Traditional rasterized lighting looks fake and has a lot of errors if you know what to look for. Most of those errors are gone with good RT implementation. I happen to think the RT in the EE is pretty good and prefer it over the OG game and this is because the devs didn't add it in willy-nilly. They rebuilt the lighting from the ground up though they still use some leftover screen space techniques.
Seems like the only game where ray tracing doesn't make the walls shiny and the floors wet.
Definently a glimpse into the future. Once we can buy GPU's again i think that this level of RTGI can revolutionize games by a lot.
I'm loving this game on my LG 55CX and EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra.
LOL - I would love that TV. 😍
9:50 Major flaw in this video that it does not take into account that in enhanced edition nights are way too bright, mostly because of the light rays coming from the Moon. I only know from stars and the Moon that it's night and not daytime...
you could adjust the brightness of the game? Or is that not how it works? 😄
u can just adjust brightness tho
@@JimRPG Shitty half assed solution.
developers increased brightness in enhanced edition, because at night with same brightness as original game you would see almost nothing as you should in real life especially indoor areas
Exactly this, it's broken and they never attempted to fix it by reducing the moon's light source. In this way the EE is not playable for me at night. And no, it is not fixable by gamma or brightness setting.
How is this still like the only FPS game with global illumination? It looks great, I still don't think there's another game that looks better overall. Other attempts have also run REALLY bad like cyberpunk. There were a few workarounds in metro such as light "travelling really slow". When you turn the lighting off, it takes like 2 seconds for it to fully disappear. Totally worth it IMO.
P.S. You can replace a single game file to get a newer implementation of DLSS. I run the game (also on a 3070) maxed out 1440 with DLSS on quality and get generally about 10 fps better than with the old file AND it looks MUCH better! 100% worth it for massive performance improvement!
7:03 the enhanced edition is literally what u will see with ur eyes
The enhanced edition from what I have noticed is for Nvidia only.
what about fps difference?
Could show us if it's still SSR on the lake in enhanced edition by simply orienting the camera up and down...
But no one shows that, because it would make Nvidia look bad, M'kay.
They already betrayed themselves by forgetting, somehow, to limit the fully path traced ad denoised demo of quake 2 "RTX" to "RTX" graphics cards only... Sure, my old 1070 struggle, obviously, but I can see the denoising part having very little impact... So... You know. They already did similar thigs i the past too.
@3:27 vs. 3:33 - The original looks much better in many cases.
yeah darker helps the atmosphere
no it doesn't, the newer is far more accurate to real life lightning and real-life lightning is the most beautiful you can get.
@@Danuxsy Not always. Or else why apply filters and hire experts to do the coloring to games and movies etc. at all lol
To say that original looks "much better" is pretty subjective. Someone might like one version more, others might like the other version more, but the enhanced edition factually looks much closer to what it would look in real life and so if we are talking about realism which this game is aiming for, the enhanced edition looks better.
however, enhanced edition has a totally unbearable night brightness, it completely ruined the night and players who prefer stealth and/or ambush bandits during mid night. The moon is huge big and bright(maybe some nuke dust on it lol)
I wasnt able 2 play the enhanced till I update my pc this month, it was really disappointed me
wow , anyhow, I wasnt have any hope with this, but I just download NVD experience with some interface idk how(I just use recommend setting), then pull gma to 0, and up blacklevel , however it worked, and be4 that lower gma only make everthing super dark.
fyi, all games are not fully traced, they were all baked,only ray traced in some locations, not "FULLY TRACED" love your videos btw
What about portal?
My fav for zombie : double barrel shotgun 😎
The shotgun is great in this game. 😄
why do I prefer the look of original version with the ray tracing on? It's very atmospheric and scares the shit out of me. (that's how I played the game).
One's done by artists choosing the shadows and light, and the other is done real time by ray tracing determining the look.
so is ray tracing darker or brighter....
LOL - brighter? im sure if they reset some values it could be darker.
0:48 wait a sec....so the left is ray tracing off?? 😦
yes u silly muffin
@@MASTERROSHIdb Ray tracing is clearly the left image.
@@vodkashot3969 lmao no it's not, unless you're looking at your screen from mirror so the left for you is actual right...
@@zedus4042so the washed out image to the right is ray tracing.....gotchya. 🤭
@@vodkashot3969 "washed out image" that's your opinion because whether you like it or not, it looks closer to what it would look in real life.
Take a moment and look around you and see how lit up the environment in real life is even if for example there is a single window in a room. It's basically physics, that's just how physically light bounces around.
Okay. Skip DLSS in summary and performance.
I don't turn on DLSS to make ray tracing videos, because I want to see the true RT performance without DLSS and see how big of a hit it is and how playable it is without it.
1. We all know DLSS will make up the ground and get it to at least 60fps in most cases.
2. AMD users can't use DLSS
3. Not much to talk about DLSS except it works well! :)
I do recommend using DLSS when playing the game though. I'm guessing a RTX 3070 1440p/ultra settings will be around 100fps even on the quality/balanced setting.
perhaps the light bounces too much. Like, the different materials dont absorb enough of light. This is Russia ffs. The sun's ray seem to have intensity even after wall bouncing like you were in Egypt.
I like RT and what it can do in the future but it is too bright here. The game was obviously meant to be played at a darker setting like the original and the RT was an afterthought.
Yeah - its mostly because they created global lighting values for RT. and they're retrofitting it into an old game.
Also in the standard edition - an artist has adjusted the shadows manually so they created a moodier look.
@@JimRPG indeed. RT needa to be part of the lighting design from the beginning to be able to produce the atmosphere and mood that is the vision of the story anf map designer.
The original looks better even though its darker. It's more clear while the enhanced is washed out and too dimm.
Nvidia betrayed itself by forgetting, somehow, to limit the fully path traced ad denoised demo of quake 2 "RTX" to "RTX" graphics cards only... Sure, my old 1070 struggles, obviously, but I can see the denoising part having very little impact... So... You know. They already did similar things i the past too.
Anyway, all I wanted to know was if the enhanced version of Metro Exodus still had screen space reflections instead of properly ray traced reflections, (at least on the lake, come on!) or not.
Apparently not, but no one wants to show it to us o RUclips because it's bad for sales...
I'm kinda confused with your comment but I will say that there are RT reflections in Metro but reflections aren't fully ray traced as they still use lot of screen space reflections, but that's relatively not important because of how incredible everything else about environment looks due to RT global illumination.
How can anyone say the game is better in the enhanced? Sure it may be more accurate but games are a form of art. Art is about feel not accuracy.
If a portrait artist painted a subject and captured a persons essence and is able to convey emotion through the piece but leaves out the persons flaws (gap in tooth, wart or pimple) isnt the piece better for it? If a AI bot paints the same subject and gets the lighting an every details more accurate which one looks and feels better.
Metro is all about atmosphere! Color accuracy and blowing out lighting are a loss to the game not an improvement. The darkness is what makes the game hard, tense and depressing.
Clearly the enhanced is more accurate but it missed the intension of the original vision. When the game designer made the original game and light sources it was based on the technology at the time. Maybe the enhanced version should remove and reduce light sources so that the lighting can be more accurate but not looking like the gamma was just maxed out.
Yeah definitely - the original game is definitely more moody, and because the lighting in the ray traced version was deterministic rather than an artist adjusting it, that's how it turned out. However I think as programmers and artists get better - we'll see better ray tracing implementations. It'll only be worse if devs get complacent.
Because the game IS better with the enhanced edition. If you think it looks too bright you can literally just lower the gamma. It's not 'blowing out the lighting', it's lighting the scene correctly. There's no reason interiors should be pitch-black during daylight, or when there are numerous light sources throughout the scene. Rasterized lighting is not a choice, it's a technical limitation. There are plenty of dark, pitch-black areas in the Enhanced edition that only shows up where it makes sense.
@@MarcuzXD i agree that rt is amazing in terms of real life lighting which adds to the imersion BUT the developers just threw in rt without fixing the totally unrealistic ultra bright nights .trust me i ve tried every combination of contrast gamma brightness setting with not an overall good effect .if the night was dark as it should be then that meant the day was to dark and would took the rt good effects away .and the oposite .plus the scenes that your stealth indicator pointed you could not be seen and at the same time you could see everything like it was daytime .totall madness ....well good effort but needs far more work to actually become a game changer effect
@@stevedawn50 Nights tend to be fairly bright when you have no huge buildup of industrial pollutants in the air, and little to no "night pollution" to drown out the rest of the light. I've only played once "at night" but it didn't seem unusually bright.
@@nimrodery if you play at volga i think where the train stops for the first time ,it is way too bright for night time ...