RNAV approach in IMC - The Flying Reporter

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  • @StefanDrury
    @StefanDrury 5 лет назад +23

    Yeeeah, more IFR videos Jon!

  • @ollekarlsson663
    @ollekarlsson663 5 лет назад +8

    This is the most honest aviaton channel on RUclips! Keep up the good work! 💥👍

  • @pascallenoir5917
    @pascallenoir5917 4 года назад +4

    I had my IMC rating, loved flying in IFR conditions, discovering a runway right in front all of a sudden is an absolute wonderful feeling. Nice videos man !

  • @SuperRealityKid
    @SuperRealityKid 5 лет назад +2

    Bin there Jon, I was sweating for you. Sigle pilot, light aircraft IFR is hard work, well done for maintaining currency. Personally, I would do these familiarity exercises with a safety lookout in the right seat because you are mainly head down for the duration. Despite no longer retaining an IMC rating, I have benefitted from having held the rating for ten years and feel more confident with my VFR decision making. Another great video Jon, thanks.

  • @willieb6993
    @willieb6993 5 лет назад +2

    Appreciate your honesty and your humbleness. Pilots are notoriously guarded in this regard. As piper PA28 owner myself I definitely enjoy the experience. Nice graphics as well.

  • @busychris
    @busychris 5 лет назад +3

    Excellent stuff Jon, not many PPLs would stretch themselves like that.

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад +1

      Thanks Chris. There are a few PPL IRs and IRrs out there

    • @busychris
      @busychris 5 лет назад +2

      There are a lot but not everyone has the discipline to remain current and competent.

  • @JodelFlyer
    @JodelFlyer 5 лет назад +6

    Great video Jon. I liked the new 'flight status' panel, the graphics made it all very clear and the external shot entering cloud seemed to highlight the drama of it but as per usual you handled the procedure and coms really well. Good trip nicely documented!

  • @ThePhobicFlyer
    @ThePhobicFlyer 3 года назад +2

    Great video Jon. Just starting IR(R) training now.

  • @kevchilton908
    @kevchilton908 5 лет назад +2

    Great video yet again, thanks Jon. That hot uncomfortable feeling you mentioned quickly followed by the words, 'why do I do this to myself?' You've moved on and you're doing great. I'm still getting it at 'Clear Prop!!!' 😀

  • @jackbolton1429
    @jackbolton1429 5 лет назад +4

    JON! this is brilliant! i love flying this approach in the simulator :) this just confirms that i am doing it the right way also! id love to see more ifr in the future! hope you hear about the engine soon also, thanks!

  • @TheHarrier85
    @TheHarrier85 5 лет назад +2

    We love the flying reporter!

  • @aaryanpour
    @aaryanpour 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks Jon, I know your videos are NOT educational but I have learned a lot from them. I am going through IR(R) training these days and this video in particular, helped a lot. Please keep them coming. Oh, BTW, congrats on 10K subs, well impressed.

  • @GC987
    @GC987 5 лет назад

    As someone without any IFR training, as always you provide such an honest, helpful and reassuring insight in your videos. Thanks so much ! Most enjoyable.

  • @amati9396
    @amati9396 5 лет назад

    Brilliant stuff, Jon. You bring a really honest view of what being a PPL is all about. Invaluable.

  • @ChrisB257
    @ChrisB257 5 лет назад +2

    I always imagine any IMC has to really ramp up the old brain work! Hard work!
    Another enjoyable video Jon, thanks.

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад +1

      Thanks. This video really does show the workload going up, and the effect on the brain.

  • @marcusreed2
    @marcusreed2 5 лет назад

    Just got out of history, rushed home to watch this !! Love the new flight status features and exciting music. Amazing as per.

  • @stevensonjames5
    @stevensonjames5 5 лет назад

    A pleasure to support the channel Jon. Great video as always. Keep up the great work!

  • @juandiegoguerragonzalez4936
    @juandiegoguerragonzalez4936 4 года назад

    Amazing job Sir.
    Watching this video I could feel how intensive is flying into clouds even more alone in cockpit. Thanks for sharing it.

  • @ufm10xxl27
    @ufm10xxl27 5 лет назад

    Your videos are amazing, honest, Frank and safety first. Very enjoyable and very inspiring. I'm a middle aged fella hoping to get my 3 axis micro licence this summer. Still a mountain to climb but I think I can make out the peak shrouded in clouds

  • @Mikinct
    @Mikinct 4 года назад +1

    Flying IFR into IMC is no joke.
    I’m not yet a pilot but trying it just on sims is no small feat.
    Sure, modern GPS, Fore Flight & Auto Pilot does help.
    But every-time I watch a accident on RUclips, there’s always a chain of “events” unplanned that happens.
    1) A pilot on VFR suddenly finds himself flying into IMC.
    2) Electric Failure, loss of attitude gauge, airspeed gauge.
    Battery dies on iPad.
    3) Engine failure or low on fuel.
    Even if pilot briefed flight, has frequencies, approach plates ready.
    Example: Now try simulating an engine failure or loss of a gauge, possibly electric issue where you loose your GPS or worse loss of radio communications.
    Autopilot kicks off while flying in strong winds & gusts.
    What I learned is having any major event suddenly trying to hand fly plane & locate nearest airport.
    Then turn in right frequencies-
    Pray there’s an ILS runway.
    Then while doing all this view the surrounding runway for hidden “obstacles” such as high antennas, power lines & yeah, Mountain terrains to avoid.
    Doing what’s planned is tough in good weather- but when something happens while in bad weather is another story.
    I’m on the highway in heavy traffic & notice that trying to tune my simple FM Radio dial to a different station is difficult while not swerving into the next lane off my compass heading or hitting another car ahead of me.
    And that’s not talking to ATC,, not keeping altitude or wings leveled :-) lol

    • @tlangdon12
      @tlangdon12 Год назад

      You are right about the chain of events. The aim of all pilots is to break that chain.

  • @flyingphobiahelp
    @flyingphobiahelp 5 лет назад +1

    Great job Jon. The cdi needle was dead centre! ATP standards. Brilliant stuff especially with the heavy load and no autopilot.

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад

      Thanks Douglass. I was chasing the needle a bit on that approach, but it settled down.

  • @maidbloke
    @maidbloke 5 лет назад +1

    Great video, looks like you flew really well. High workload in the clouds, easy to see how some pilots drop the ball and make mistakes in such circumstances.

  • @muttclugg
    @muttclugg 5 лет назад +1

    Great videos. I'm local to EGKR & EGKB and hope to get my PPL at some point in the coming years so I find your videos a really good insight to the world of general aviation in the UK. Thanks for putting them together.

  • @keithdmiller
    @keithdmiller 5 лет назад +1

    Great video as norm Jon, and really does give a feel of what flying in cloud is really like. keep them coming. As someone else has said, no point having IRR if you don't use it in anger, otherwise when you need to use it as a backup you'll be well out of practice.

  • @simonadamson9261
    @simonadamson9261 5 лет назад

    Another well told story in the air. Definitely a useful rating and nice to know it’s in line, difficulty wise with one of the main ppl subjects.

  • @pauljohn8983
    @pauljohn8983 5 лет назад

    Well done Jon! There's nothing like the inside of a cloud to focus your attention:)

  • @seanmcerlean
    @seanmcerlean 5 лет назад

    Great Vodeo Jon Clearly shows the high workload ina short space of time and what it takes to operste single piot IFR.Thanks for sharing

  • @paulejbuckley
    @paulejbuckley 5 лет назад

    Nice job Jon. 👍🏻 Like the graphics you added too with the the little high tech sound effect as they come on! 😀

  • @mishmish1968
    @mishmish1968 5 лет назад

    Great to see you again thanks for the awesome video , love the explanation of the flight.

  • @peterjohnkendall7637
    @peterjohnkendall7637 3 года назад

    Great Video again

  • @ufm10xxl27
    @ufm10xxl27 5 лет назад

    Ah come on that looks easy........no I'm only messing, well done Sir , that's definitely not for the faint hearted. Great flight and great video. Many thanks.

  • @AirCanadaPilot
    @AirCanadaPilot 5 лет назад +1

    This was a really interesting and informative video! I really enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing. I'm looking forward (albeit a little nervous) about starting my IR sometime later this year! Seeing it done for real like this really helps get an understanding for everything that's going on during all of the procedures. The ATPL theory exams don't do a very good job of explaining holds, I thought you did an excellent job at it. I also thought the flight status popups were great. I'm looking forward to more!

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад

      Thanks for watching!

    • @flyingphobiahelp
      @flyingphobiahelp 5 лет назад

      Truth be told, Atc only cares that u are holding on the assigned side, maintaining altitude and within prescribed distance. Waaay too much emphasis in training on the various entry methods in my opinion -having flown IFR for close to 2 decades.

  • @UKPete
    @UKPete 5 лет назад

    Nice one!, and lovely touch down!.

  • @coryt490
    @coryt490 5 лет назад +4

    Does their controller handbook require them to change your squawk ever 3 minutes?

  • @richardforeman3949
    @richardforeman3949 5 лет назад

    Great video Jon - many thanks

  • @benr970
    @benr970 5 лет назад

    Great video, got my student ADI license and getting my APP license in jus tiger a month very excited 👍

  • @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs
    @PrivatePilotFlightVlogs 5 лет назад

    Great video nice new graphics.
    Can’t wait to fly in shorts again!

  • @D0539
    @D0539 5 лет назад

    Love watching all your videos! Greetings from YBSS

  • @davejones542
    @davejones542 5 лет назад +3

    @14:38 What was the lydd controller thinking passing you non standard missed approach instructions and new squawk not until after you were well after the final approach fix. Should have been given well before. Did he forget

    • @RayKit
      @RayKit 3 года назад

      Yes workload is what I think she said

  • @theflyingfool
    @theflyingfool 5 лет назад

    Nice one Jon! I like the Flight Status panels!

  • @jaideld1
    @jaideld1 5 лет назад

    Nice to see GOR back in the air

  • @Lonsome1223
    @Lonsome1223 2 года назад

    I remember doing the imc rating training in the seventies and the dreaded VDF approach very tricky i wonder if this approach still exists haven't flown for 38 years.

  • @tnflygirl
    @tnflygirl Год назад

    Love the video. Can someone tell me why so many turns before landing?

    • @tlangdon12
      @tlangdon12 Год назад

      UK airspace is very congested, with lots of airfields and airspace in close proximity, so instrument approaches to smaller airfields have to be squeezed into the remaining airspace, hence they tend to be quite tight and convoluted compared to what is normal in the USA.

  • @TheMicroPilot
    @TheMicroPilot 5 лет назад

    Loved IFR stuff!

  • @Cherokee140Pilot
    @Cherokee140Pilot 5 лет назад

    Good job, Jon. Nice video, too!

  • @theflyingfrog
    @theflyingfrog 5 лет назад

    Well done! Very interesting video. I’ve got plenty on my plate getting used to my tail dragger Jodel... I’m kind of relieved it’s not equipped for anything other than VFR conditions!

  • @TW19567
    @TW19567 5 лет назад +2

    When I was a student pilot for my PPL my FI always told me that as a single pilot if you are ever at a point where you are not actively managing your workload you have forgotten something.

    • @tlangdon12
      @tlangdon12 Год назад

      In the UK, that is probably true most of the time, but it's tiring. You should also be able to relax and do nothing (other than lookout and fly straight and level) if there really is nothing to do. The 'trick' is to be able to switch between being busy and being relaxed as necessary.

  • @davejones542
    @davejones542 4 года назад

    accepting that Romti is the primary hold fix, wouldnt it have been easier/safer to start at bemla from your direction. Entering at Romti from the west means you get close to the final approach track as you naturally overshoot romti in the subsequent turn.

  • @neilmurgatroyd3197
    @neilmurgatroyd3197 4 года назад

    Another winner Jon, (refreshing my IMC soon) have you linked all the IMC vids into a group?
    Dammit, I guess I'll have to get a premium subscription...

  • @jamie_the_pilot
    @jamie_the_pilot 5 лет назад +2

    “Why do I do this to myself?!” 😂 That made me laugh. Great video Jon - really interesting to see you use your IR - out of interest, how much additional study was there to add it to your licence? I’ll be moving to Wales soon so think it will be a good idea to add it too! Thank you for sharing.

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад

      Not that much - completely achievable. A bit like one of your PPL subject areas.

    • @Mikinct
      @Mikinct 4 года назад

      I’m would imagine trying to get a pilots license in London one would require a IRF license?
      All the constant Fog weather conditions?

  • @flybe146
    @flybe146 5 лет назад +1

    Awesome video Jon, you really nailed that procedure considering you haven't done any IFR for a while I would love to see more IFR if you don't mind as well. Jon, do you edit your own video's when you are working for the BBC or is that done back at Tonbridge wells by someone else?

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад +1

      Mostly edit myself, but now and then work with another editor. J

  • @davidwebber4589
    @davidwebber4589 5 лет назад

    Very impressive! I have my IR(R) rating but rarely use it due to lack of confidence.

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад

      You very quickly lose confidence in it, so it's really important to get out there and use it, as often as you can. An hour or so with an instructor should get you back on track.

    • @davidwebber4589
      @davidwebber4589 5 лет назад

      The Flying Reporter a couple of quick questions. How do you use VOR for inbound track to ROMTI, and when do you report ROMTI outbound, thanks

  • @DAllan-lz3lg
    @DAllan-lz3lg 5 лет назад

    Great video. Just wondered if you might have been on the cusp of a direct entry for ROMTI (spelling ?) ...?

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад

      I think it was about 15 degrees inside the parallel sector. I was tracking about 087 for a 172 inbound course. I think I'd have to have been tracking further south east to get into the direct entry sector.

  • @stewartwilkinsonsnr
    @stewartwilkinsonsnr 5 лет назад

    Great Video ✈️

  • @perimeletiou
    @perimeletiou 5 лет назад

    Good Morning, excellent videos, very detailed and educational. If I may ask which software are you using for navigation in the ipad? Is it also for VFR and IFR navigation suitable? Thank you.

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад

      I use SkyDemon. It's mostly a VFR tool, although has some georeferenced IFR plates.

  • @Tom_YouTube_stole_my_handle
    @Tom_YouTube_stole_my_handle 5 лет назад

    Excellent graphics on this one, very clear. What drives the vertical guidance on the CDI if it is not an ILS?

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад +3

      It's the WAAS GPS. Some LNAV approaches actually have vertical guidance coded in, but they are only there as a guide, you must still follow the VNAV charts. I probably had the ILS tuned on NAV 2.

  • @forfengeligfaen
    @forfengeligfaen 5 лет назад

    Nail biting stuff! My understand is that basic service is when "The avoidance of other traffic is solely the pilot pilot's responsibility" How is it possible to fly IFR with a basic service?

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад

      It's legal in the UK, we don't have very joined up ATC here, and services outside Co trolled airspace are not as they are elsewhere in the world. It was a basic service until she identified me, and then it was a traffic service. (if you're referring to the exchange with Farnborough Radar)

  • @PA28-pilot
    @PA28-pilot 5 лет назад

    Great, very interesting.

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад

      Thanks Armand.

    • @PA28-pilot
      @PA28-pilot 5 лет назад

      Hello Jon, a question, what I saw in your movie during this rnav approach was that a Skydemon approachplate as a moving map

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад

      It's from the UK AIP, downloadable in skydemon. It explains how to activate it in planning settings in the Skydemon manual.

    • @PA28-pilot
      @PA28-pilot 5 лет назад

      Thanks Jon! it's clear.

  • @theflightsimmerupnorth5172
    @theflightsimmerupnorth5172 3 года назад

    Were you using AP starting at 6:38. I subbed...I just can't imagine doing this in real life. I'm already stressed out doing this in the simulator so I guess more irl :) . More power to your channel and stay safe!

  • @davejones542
    @davejones542 5 лет назад

    Great video - quick question when does the need for a safety pilot arise?

  • @LuisPerez-qj6mj
    @LuisPerez-qj6mj 4 года назад

    There is something I don’t understand. You got your analog VORs working with your garmin gps? I thought they only worked with conventional for frequencies not with gps

  • @richardkaberry8790
    @richardkaberry8790 5 лет назад

    Thanks Jon and well done! Really enjoy these challenging RNAV approches in IMC. Just a quick question if I may...the RNAV approach charts always show what look like 90 degree turns at waypoints. Does your GPS tell you when to turn to avoid overshooting the waypoint?

  • @stuartessex4535
    @stuartessex4535 5 лет назад

    Great Video Jon and woh what concentration and airmanship! Reminder to all VFR licence holders to remain clear of cloud! Love the new graphics/pop ups! Sorry if i missed something but is this an earlier video or is G-OR out of hospital?

  • @Gavlar77
    @Gavlar77 5 лет назад

    Hi Jon. Having only recently acquired my ir(r) I have a question. When you contacted farnbourgh you said to them you where ifr. Did you file a flight plan or just pass your route when airborne?

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад

      No formal flight plan filed - I just called them up and said I'm IFR.

  • @tobyhudson7755
    @tobyhudson7755 5 лет назад +1

    Hi Jon, Good job on the approach and the whole flight in general! I’ve just finished my IR and CPL down at shoreham in the DA42, so I’ve done that approach at Lydd countless times 😂 I was lucky enough to have the DA42 with the G1000 to help me out, so certainly a case of credit where its due to you for doing it using the old gauges, I reckon it would take me a few attempts on those before It get it to a decent level of accuracy haha!
    Anywhoo I just thought I’d mention a little tool I use for any 2D approaches which makes it easier reaching the block altitudes bang on the money and just helps finesse the approach in general! its that whenever you’re 0.3nm away from a set distance associated with a block alt, you know you should be 100ft above the associated altitude! as an example in that approach you did, 4nm from the MAPT is 1950ft, so at 4.3nm aim to be 2050ft. Again just sharing a useful tool I used, if you already knew it then disregard this comment 😂 All the best!

  • @alexacb63
    @alexacb63 5 лет назад

    During your preflight checks I noticed "pitot heat off", surely for IMC flight it should always be on?

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад

      Not if temperature is above freezing.

    • @alexacb63
      @alexacb63 5 лет назад

      As I understand it there can be a temperature drop in the pitot head though so it can freeze even if temp is >0, eg I know some POHs say to use it if OAT < 10C and visible moisture (ie cloud).

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад

      I think that may be Commercial airline ops, but willing to be corrected. I'd use it if temperature close to or below freezing, and maybe in a heavy shower.

    • @SC-dl2io
      @SC-dl2io 5 лет назад +1

      @@TheFlyingReporter One point you may wish to check for your own peace of mind - is your compass calibrated with the pitot heat switched ON? If so, you may get slightly erroneous readings with it switched off in flight.

  • @edallen11
    @edallen11 5 лет назад

    Would you recommend any good aero clubs at Redhill? Cheers

  • @forfengeligfaen
    @forfengeligfaen 5 лет назад

    Why were you asked squawk 7000 when flying IFR?

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад

      Because I am changing controller. The UK atc is not joined up outside controlled airspace.

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад

      Actually, I expect your question refers to 7000 being a VFR squawk. Here it can be used when IFR or VFR. It's just a conspicuity squawk, has nothing to do with flight rules.

  • @captinrish1013
    @captinrish1013 2 года назад

    Love ur Vids but not doing my PPL due to GCSE's

  • @neilmurgatroyd3197
    @neilmurgatroyd3197 5 лет назад

    when was this, taking off on the grass?

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад +1

      Filmed last June.

    • @neilmurgatroyd3197
      @neilmurgatroyd3197 5 лет назад

      @@TheFlyingReporter Great video John, thanks. Note to self: must do one myself at Lydd, stay current!

  • @gotchiguy
    @gotchiguy 5 лет назад

    Hi Jon, are you sure you don't need a "competent observer" to be practicing instrument approaches in real IMC?

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад

      Hi. Yes, it was a real approach rather than a ‘practise’ as such, although I communicated it was a practise. I know that probably doesn’t make sense. If I was practising this in vMC then yes, I would need an observer. Once In VMC, in the ATZ I split my focus between the instruments and the outside, as you would in any IFR approach once you break cloud. Does that make sense? In short, it was a practise, yes, as every flight is, but it wasn’t simulated IMC.

  • @123456789bmac
    @123456789bmac 5 лет назад

    Great video! How are you finding the Bose? Starting my multi IR soon, was thinking of getting them!

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад +1

      Comfort is brilliant, noise reduction is ok, but not quite as good as I was expecting, clarity of comms is great. If you can afford them, I'd recommend.

  • @richardirvine
    @richardirvine 5 лет назад

    Another great video Jon. How often do you practice approach and holds with your IMC? Great to see people actually use this rating within reasonable minima. Not sure the point in having one as a 'get out of jail free card' if you forget how to use it when the time comes to apply it!

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад

      I try to keep it current. I use it as often as I can. I used it a bit late summer last year, but with the aircraft grounded I'm going to be a bit rusty.

    • @richardirvine
      @richardirvine 5 лет назад

      Still grounded! Rubbish. Although, bit rubbish for practice at the moment at least! Was doing some IMC practice in EGBJ last week and iced up v quickly @ 3,000ft. Great video Jon! Hope you are airborne again soon!

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад

      That doesn't sound pleasant. Never experienced that myself, thankfully.

  • @jameslipman8165
    @jameslipman8165 4 года назад

    Sorry, Farnborough LARS need an educational visit to SoCal Approach to educate themselves on the true meaning of 'controller workload'.

  • @adamcozens8673
    @adamcozens8673 5 лет назад +1

    Hi, when will your aircraft be able to fly again.

  • @forfengeligfaen
    @forfengeligfaen 5 лет назад +1

    "Reduced traffic information due to controller workload. Possible late warning of traffic" 😬She did not sound especially happy. 😂

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад +3

      Welcome to FIS outside controlled airspace in southern UK.

  • @MrSeebsy
    @MrSeebsy 5 лет назад +2

    Great Video.... The ATC service GA aircraft receive in the UK on IFR flight plans & when actually in IMC always seems very "Keystone Cops"... It's like the controllers aren't really responsible for separation like when Farnborough controller said "Traffic warnings may be delayed due to work load ?!?!" And then when the Lydd Appr controller asked for your position ?!?! The Approach controller doesn't have radar or ADSB ? It all seems a bit Amateur compared to how GA A/C are handled on IFR in the States.

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад +6

      Hi. If you're light aircraft, operating outside controlled airspace in the UK, you're given a substandard ATC service I'm afraid. Lydd is non radar - so it's a procedural service. Farnborough is overloaded/under resourced, so can't offer a fool-proof radar service. It is a mess in the UK in my opinion.

    • @flyingphobiahelp
      @flyingphobiahelp 5 лет назад +2

      Well it might be. But I like the idea of the IFRr ticket in UK. nothing comparable for the VFR pilot in USA who kills himself in inadvertent vmc to imc. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were fewer IMC-related accidents in the uk because of this intermediary rating.

    • @TheFlyingReporter
      @TheFlyingReporter  5 лет назад +1

      You could be right Douglass. We have quite challenging weather here, so it makes sense.

    • @MrSeebsy
      @MrSeebsy 5 лет назад +1

      I learned to Fly at EGTO in 91' (Robin DR-400) In the NYC we have way worse weather & just if not more complicated airspace as southern England, Yet if you are a C-172 on an IFR plan you will get a full controller to controller service....Even if you are VFR with zero flight plan you can normally ask for flight following, they will give you a squawk & traffic advisories

    • @MrSeebsy
      @MrSeebsy 5 лет назад

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