These Stylists Continue to Blame Devoted Clients for their No Oils/Butters Hair Damage
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So when they trust people in the industry it's not their fault, but if we trust people in the industry(them) then it's our fault? Did they hear themselves?
She must've saw the statistics about how much black American women spend on hair care and wanted to cash in cause she clearly doesn't actually gaf about us or our hair.
The fact that they are don't know anything about the situation but are still dismissive about the issues is insulting. Comparing all the bullying, gaslighting, the money that was spent. Did they have the this same energy when the DevaCurl scandal happened or the Wen controversy? Just because it was Black Women that were victimized, it is somehow dismissed and trivialized. It is not an issue of or "I don't like the bangs or the haircut." This was MLM scam through and through. These ladies were exposed not just by their customers but by other stylists who saw the flaw in their techniques. Shame on these women, knowing nothing, yet thinking that they know everything.
Ooh SAY THAT! call it by its name, MLM!!!!!!
Wait! She doesn't know what's in the products?! Well if the client can't trust the "professional", who can you trust and why is it their fault if their hair is damaged?? 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️Smh ..
Oh lord when sis said she didn't know what was in the products...I felt a headache coming on.... Imagine you go to a lawyer and they turn around and said they didn't know the law...Or you had an architect build a house and they said they didn't know the physics of how to make sure this building doesn't collapse? Or you had a doctor prescribed medicine and they said they didn't know what was in the medicine....smh...I cannot... This is why I read books and I look up ingredients on every product I put on my hair and scalp.
That part blew my mind
This is why I stopped
Going to the salon as a natural...
It’s giving dumb and dumber. No everybody should have access to microphones and a platform.
it’s always a room full of dummies telling each other “exactlyyyy”
This is why I cannot be going to stylists like that anymore. I shouldn't know more than the professional. I don't mean this in a rude way, but out of a passion for hair and knowledge I have sought out information. I wrongly assumed that a stylist who has dedicated years to their craft would have that desire for knowledge too. Its difficult to have a conversation with someone who thinks you're talking in another language. Its even more difficult to trust them with your hair and hand over money for them to damage your hair and then blame you for it.
I'd rather look busted than jump into that fire again.
Girl I went and bought some books to figure out where I was going wrong and then I went to a trichologist because I had a sore scalp and hair loss so I know exactly what to do to make my hair the healthiest it can be despite my aging and health conditions and stress.
I'm enjoying my thickening busted twists. No stylist will ever touch these 64 year old strands ever again. I would definitely go to Narada if I was closer.
@@marleyhill34Hi. What books did you get? I have The Science of Black Hair and read science journals but would love some book recommendations. Thanks!
@@naturellewonder I have the science of black hair, hair care rehab and the science of transitioning. I also have the curly girl handbook. Here are some others that I found but haven't bought yet:
1. Hair Rules: The Ultimate Hair-Care Guide for Women With Kinky, Curly, or Wavy Hair by Anthony Dickey ( 2003)
2. Milady Standard Cosmetology by Milady (2022)
3. Good Hair: The ultimate care and styling guide for afro, textured and curly hair by Charlotte Mensah(2020)
4. Comprehensive Natural Hair Care and Hair Braiding Course Book: Textbook, Workbook and Teaching Guide by Afolakemi Lawani (2023)
5. Natural & Curly Hair For Dummies by Johnny Wright (2022)
Cause these stylists are failing us. Teri LaFlesh taught me how to read product ingredients via her blog- The Tightly Curly Method. She has a book too but I don't think that she is a scientist or a cosmetologist although she does have the references for the ingredients. You can use a lot of websites now to look up ingredients so that's no real excuse for stylists anymore.
I seek out the information myself too and do my own hair more. I’m choosing health until I can find a good stylist
You know what… STOP OFFERING SERVICES TO KINKY HAIR! You don't want to learn what's the issue with your kinky client's hair, STOP marketing services to them. All this talk is saying to me is "I'd rather style hair for white women. White women's hair is less hassle." And to add to Narada's point, these newfangled stylists ONLY care about going viral and how they can continue marketing services and classes to get more money. That attitude is really why A LOT of them are closing up their $500+ a head shops and going back to the hourly wage jobs. The ones who adhere to traditional industry standards aren't having those shop closing conversations.
A lot of what some of these stylist are doing is what the natural hair care channels and trends have been doing since I was a kid watching YT videos. The good and the bad. No one wants to admit that out loud.
It is the stylist fault if they don’t take the time to research the products they are using. The client is trusting them to be knowledgeable and honest when doing their job. Keep doing things this way and eventually more people are going do their hair at home.
Been doing my hair at home for decades. I have that 4C and I can’t just have all fingers in my hair trying to break it off.
Yep, one of the benefits of being natural is only needing the salon for certain treatments, trims, or a style for a special occasion. I switched stylists last spring due to a stylist that I had enough of. She was texturist and not serious enough about healthy hair. There is too much unprofessional behavior and too many damaging techniques with these hair stylists, braiders, nail techs, and lash techs with hefty price tags. If consumers can do product research, why can't stylists?
@jdbailey442 do you really need a salon for treatments, though? Steam is overrated and even then, you can buy your own. Same exact thing with olaplex and a hooded drier.
Really, the only thing most people need is help with trims/shaping. Color and extensions, too. If you think about it, white/asian girls don't really go to the salon unless they bleach their hair or get a trim either so why do we as black women feel this need to rely on stylists? Salons are definitely a luxury and should be treated as such. Thats why I dont mind people charging alot at this point but please just don't fuck up my hair!
All I got from that clip in the end, is that they just like to play in people’s head.
They are not making informed decisions about products.
They are avoiding accountability, which indicates lack of integrity.
Where did they get licensed?
Didn't I tell y'all that though? They really are just playing in ppls heads
So as stylists they don’t research products? So consumers have more curiosity and critical thinking skills?🤨
“I don’t really know what’s in these hair products”
“If a few months down the line something comes around and it says ’hey this product isn’t good’, that’s not my fault that I was told that it was a good product by people that I trust in the community”
“Just kind of hope that other people know what they’re talking about”
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“They’re trying to take away the credibility of hair stylists”🤔😒
Are these two airheads even aware that they just made the case for why people shouldn’t ever pay them for their services? You literally get far more useful advice right here on RUclips for free. For all the bashing of “RUclips University” it has proven to be a far more reliable source of knowledge for hair care than whatever cosmetology schools and education courses these idiots are paying thousands of dollars for. All these titles and credentials yet they’re still so incompetent. Then they’ll complain that hair stylists don’t get the respect they deserve.😐
But like, they're the ones telling people to stop using oils and butters and then proceed to make an entire list of product recommendations. GOODBYE 😂😂😂
This is truly sad. We go to stylist because they are the professionals. They should teach us not blame us.
This is why I go to my Aveda Polynesian stylist and Black-British trichologists. They teach me how to care for my hair at home and they don't cause me any damage in the salon or in the clinic. Yeah they don't lay lace fronts or do sew ins but I don't have to big chop my hair due to damage. I cut it off if I want to. Been with the stylist 9 years and the trichologist 6 years.
As clients we were told that our hair was “jacked up” because we were listening to influencers on You Tube. We were told that we needed to listen to the professionals because that’s what they were trained for. When we said our hair feels dry, we were told “your hair is not dry that’s how afro, kinky hair feels naturally” I listened because they were the professionals. I feel like such a fool, and honestly lost when it comes to this hair thing now because I don’t know who to trust.
I really hate that for you. This truly has been a traumatic experience for everyone. The best advice I can give you is to learn from your experience and trust someone that listens. Even if they don't get it right the first time, they will be open to adjust and meet your level of satisfaction. I think the issue is that they were trying to create the goal for you instead of meeting your expectations of where you wanted your hair to be.
5:04 Exactly, and I’ve been noticing that this is part of a larger trend in customer service overall. The satisfaction of the customer used to be what mattered and that would bring repeat business, but now a lot of service providers/corporations only seem to care about being “right” and clinging onto the money you gave them the first time, and they will argue with you until the end of time when they’re the ones who dropped the ball. Your hair is damaged after I saw you? YOU mishandled it when you went home. Our delivery driver rode past your house and never came back with the item you purchased from us? YOU must not have heard him knocking even though you were standing outside and saw him drive past (this one is personal and still hurts lol). Your food order is messed up? YOU must not have correctly said what you wanted. It feels like a fight everywhere you go now and this is why people would rather take a chance on the DIY approach, for better or for worse.
I guess that their goal now is to make you feel like you’re incapable on your own and need them instead of keeping you happy in the first place. That’s why it always sounds like they’re talking down to us. It’s professional negging. If my hair is messed up and a licensed professional says it was my own doing, they must be right and they must know how to fix it so I have to keep giving them my business. Then by the time we as consumers realize that they have no idea what they’re saying or doing, serious damage has been done and will take a long time to correct. Corporate greed is destroying us and the service industry.
As many others have said, I wish I was closer to you so I could be a regular client! I’m still planning to make a trip to see you but even if I never do, I will forever appreciate how much you care about our natural hair and will always speak up for us when they try to suppress our voices!
We just are going to have to start recording all these people all of the time cause they make stuff up. ring door bell, small claims court.
THIS 💯 ❤
I’m actually really tired of individuals who don’t have “4C type” hair speaking on the experience of those with “4C type hair” and these methods. If you can’t relate, and don’t have the experience with my specific type of hair and curls, then STAY OUT THE CONVERSATION! If you can’t practice these methods on yourself to see the problems that we’re seeing with our hair type, then stop giving advice!
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Her: "do research and seek education " Also her: "I actually dont know what's in these products". Then has the nerve to put the blame on the clients. It's insane some of these new age stylists just be playing science experiment in peoples hair. I can't take these two seriously. If this was an attempt to defend BGC they didn't do a good job...
The only way these horrible stylists will learn is when their pockets are hit and people start suing. This is beyond the talk it out stage because they refuse to take responsibility for the damage they caused.
A good stylist should be able to address clients problems and concerns. If they can't they should be out there researching/be upfront about it.
Wow, this grift is soooo far reaching. I watched 5 minutes of the podcast. They didn’t do ANY research on what happened with the bgc debacle. And they’re gaslighting and blaming clients with a million excuses. Smh
As soon as they blame the client...I'm out. Clients do not magically know if they are doing something wrong which is why they come to you the professional. I work in a supermarket. Customers come up to me based on my product knowledge and my ability to read the product labels. If I read a label and it doesn't say suitable for vegans, I won't be recommending that product to a vegan! My Trichologists gave me products and a written list of what exactly to do every day and every week to revive my dry hair!! Next time clients need to tell them to start putting it in writing. People are more careful when it's in writing; when they just let their mouth run away verbally.
It frustrates me to no end seeing so many stylists talking down to consumers when they haven’t done a second of research into the issue. IMO it shows a lack of care and compassion. How do they expect people to trust them with their hair when they seemingly dont gaf.
This is infuriating! They want women to pay for them to fuck up their hair and gaslight them for what they told them to do and what products they told them to use.
Good morning! Thanks to you, I am on my way to healthy hair and no longer have velcro ends! 😊😊😊
Velcro ends is crazy lmao glad things are looking up.
@@studiofiftyflora I thought it was normal. Didn’t know any better. Was going to a “professional” with 25+ years of experience on a regular basis. Sigh. What would we do without Narada???
Watching that clip absolutely infuriated me. There was no deep dive done. And to be a licensed professional and not understand basic formulation of hair care products is absurd.
And dare I say, as a biracial women with looser hair, how can either one of these broads speak on the matter?
I watch stylists with or who work with straight hair or blow-dried straight hair. They recommend a light leave in mist and a light hair oil on the ends only such as Olaplex No or Morrocanoil Light version. Dry hair needs a certain amount of oils and butters formulated into the product to keep the hair healthy. It could be very light or it could be very heavy but it needs to be in there. When my hair is very hydrated and moisturised, hey presto..it forms into its own 4c tiny ringlet pen springs without gel or curl definer or mousse or foam!! If they were not so obsessed with getting the perfect wash and go with 3 styling products, they would know that for their client.
you highlighted this beautifully. all ppl want is accountability from these stylists and for them to be open to making changes that will ultimately benefit their clients in the long run. thank you for continuing to speak out
This is why I do my own hair.
I don't blame you
@@AfrikanHairGod I wish l lived in your state.
@irenebritusa me too 😞
Me too
After 29 years of damaged hair, I started going to Aveda, because black stylists in black hair salons would always tell me it was my fault that my hair was damaged. Aveda stylists could cut my hair straight and curly, could dye my hair without damage and they were able to recommend protein treatments/ daily protein sprays and Olaplex. Then I went to my British trichologists and they told me to shampoo and deep condition weekly and use leave-in conditioner daily. My hair and scalp is a lot better even though I'm in perimenopause. I wish I had this knowledge in my teens and 20s.
It's crazy how experiences in a place can be so different. If it weren't for the latina sister who stepped in to help the stylists at Aveda, I would have had a horrible birthday.
@@chocolateaudacity7643 You should have had a consultation with an Aveda stylist first to make sure they could do what you wanted.....Never go to a new stylist for a special event hairstyle....Then again I live in the UK....Aveda does consultations here first.
@@marleyhill34 hi you said to use a leave in conditioner daily, do you wash your hair daily? I’m just trying to get a better understanding. Thank you
@@astoldbyvelvet7686 that is my prescription for my hair specifically from the trichologists. I do not shampoo daily on average. Not everyone needs a daily leave in conditioner. It depends on how dry your hair gets, the style you wear and how much protection from the environment that it needs. For some people if they use a heavy cream leave in every day, it causes build up on the hair and/or the scalp. It has to be tailored to your specific hair and scalp type. If i swim daily, i use sulfate-free swimmers shampoo or cantu cowash. Every 7-10 days I use my treatment(rotate between moisture, protein and bond builder) shampoo and my trichologists prescription scalp shampoo. Every 4-6 weeks I use a clarifying and chelating shampoo because I swim, use a lot of leave in and live in an area with hard water.
@ She definitely said that she could do it when we chatted before services. I didn't ask for anything fancy just a flat iron. It wasn't a special event either, just an apartment complex fire that wiped me of all tools & products to do my hair. But that's life. lol.
😢 I have no words. Some think the license gives them the right to charge high prices and that's all. They shouldn't have to do research or be held accountable. It's not being a magician to not destroy someone's hair because you are blindly following someone else. And it's a shamed you know who just figured out she needed a deep conditioner. AfrikanHairGod deserves an apology directly to him and not be included in the blanket apology.
Couldn’t watch the full podcast-they have made it “private”.
The passing the blame thing is so real! I saw 2 of these stylist for about 2 years each. And when i informed them about my damage, the second one did not believe me at first and then eventually said "well it must have been damaged before you started seeing me with the previous stylist" (fair but they both did the same method! so she definitely didnt fix it) and then the first one said "Well your hair was already damage from the method dear!" I was like how?! I didnt do a detox because previously all i used was leave in to style my hair. But neither one have ever said to me that my hair was damaged when i first started seeing them or at any point while i was a client. I had to bring it up to them. After all that i'm done. I'll cut my hair myself, and do my own routine. If i screw it up, at least it i'll be able to tell and it won't cost me an arm and a leg.
These stylists are gross. If they owned up and acted on the complaints immediately I’d be like you know what fair enough because everyone makes mistakes regardless. But the fact they either belittle the clients or ignored them and now they tryna backflip and make it seem like it’s not their fault is disgusting.
Im trying to be as nice as i can, but I'm bothered by the phenotype of these women. Women who are born with silkier textures should do extension research before dealer with kinkier curlier hair. Hair in its curly state is usually the driest as opposed to wearing it straight. It should be handled differently. Oils and betters help to lock moisture in.
That these first thing I noticed. Light and Brighter (but only esthetically as there was zero intelligence behind what they said). This method was originally developed for Caucasian curries and then adapter by scammdlers for african American kinks to make money. But they were touting that it was science based.
When people start filling lawsuits I wonder if the same boldness to do a terrible job in people’s hair will continue smh
Thank you for speaking up on this topics Mr. Narada ✨
I’ve always held a strong opinion that a wash & go is not a style that somebody needs to go to a professional for. They want us to believe that it’s rocket science and that they have cracked the code.
They know NOTHING about hair HEALTH. They are so wrapped up in pushing this narrative about curly hair and having Black women wear their hair a certain way, that their only focus is slathering gel or mousse on hair to “make curls pop”.
If you visit a hair care professional, you should leave your appointment better than you started and on the road to a better head of hair. Not just having somebody practice cutting your hair and then doing a style which honestly doesn’t require a high skill set.
We never went to stylists back in the day for this style. It was a DIY style. I only started going to the stylist just for the shaping and trimming of ends, not the style or how to care for my hair.
They sound real stupid!!!!
I surely would not want them touching my hair.
Thanks Narada!!!
This video is so on point that I can't even contain myself! WHEEEEW CHILD! My ears and heart are so hurt right now. I've been a retired stylist for 7 years now and one thing that I continue to do is EDUCATE, EDUCATE, EDUCATE myself. Being a stylist is like being a doctor. We are expected to live up to the expection of our certifications. If we expect doctors to get to the root of our health situations, the client of the stylists SHOULD have that same expectation. Hair is just one aspect. But we soon forget that women go through hormonal changes and health issues (educate yourself stylist), there are certain needs of hair and skin as we mature (educate yourself stylist), environmental changes can have an impact on hair (educate yourself stylist) and I can go on and on. Sometimes something as simple as asking your client what is their diet and what do you put in your body from day to day is part of the solution (educate yourself stylist)! I can't say this enough. Some of us are too busy with the "topical" aspect of hair yet we forget that hair growth starts under the skin. ARE WE EDUCATING OURSELVES ON ANY AND ALL THINGS THAT COULD BE THE PROBLEM AS TO WHY HAIR CHANGES/BECOME DAMAGED/SHED? The composition of hair never changes BUT mistakes on the accountable stylist can make a difference in the health of hair. And as we educate ourselves we MUST educate our clientele. They are not suppose to know...WE ARE!! Do your job and do yourself a favor and continually 👏🏾EDUCATE👏🏾YOURSELVES👏🏾
They don't care about the hair health. They only care about being viral and how many $500+ clients they've booked by the end of the month.
This reminds me of the Mielle fiasco. Gaslighting the heck out of us 😂
These stylist were all about money. They know our hair can’t do without oils or butters. And we shouldn’t be shampooing our hair with 3-4 different clarifying shampoos during shampoo day. We as consumers look at them as knowledgeable about these products and methods because they went to school for hair. But when I checked into the oils and no butters thing. I was like 😮. And continued to use why what works for me a not damage my hair.
I dont get it
don't doctors, restaurant owners, and product makers deal with the same thing with consumers
even getting in a car accident doesn't absolve you of responsibility when you think it's not your fault😅
What makes me so angry is NO ACCOUNTABILITY! It’s not their fault, they don’t know what’s in the product, etc, etc…How about taking the initiative to want to learn more about what’s in these products; why not say, “l may not know right now but I’m going to further my knowledge on this subject so I can better serve my customers?”??THIS is why I’ll never consult another stylist…they just don’t care. Plain and simple. Done.
This whole time I’ve been thinking the same thing: these people talk way too much to not talk themselves into the hot seat and expose all their gimmicks and bs. Lo and behold, here it is. I really feel for you when you speak about the industry and your disappointment and fatigue toward it. It’s a very demoralizing feeling realizing that the purported goals and integrity of an industry are the last priority and not the first, especially with something as personal and impactful as (Black) hair. As a customer of the industry, your information and candor has positively impacted me 100x over, and I think HUNDREDS can say the same. Also, you can take a break. You, Shelly, and Rosie have done quite enough to wake people up. The information is out there and I personally believe YOUR work is done. ❤
Hair is so diverse, it's really ok not to know things. It's not ok to be unwilling to learn. Errors in judgement happen in every line of work. The blame game isn't the answer. Work with your clients to course correct while you figure out a better path forward.
This is unabashedly abysmal! Why would the at home / non professional maintenance of this routine be unable to be easily replicated ? The absence of professional self respect and accoubtability is really quite jarring. Their flippant dispositions say it all. This is indeed a shame!
10:22 they forgot the part where people were going to these stylists religiously and their hair was still fucked up. And it's absolutely your fault when your clients hair fucks up and you can't 1. Notice it and 2. Address it fully.
Yes, that absolutely speaks to your credibility as a stylist.
They are destroying their own credibility by saying they have no product knowledge. No, I can’t replicate what you do in the salon!! 🤬 I’m not a professional and my arms don’t come apart from my body to then stand over my head to style, like wtf. But I do expect that you tell me how I can maintain at home, knowing I don’t have access to the same tools, no one doing my hair for me or access to wholesale salon-only products. I expect you to know the retail equivalent. I expect you to be somewhat knowledgeable about ingredients known to be harmful or at least figure out with me what could be causing damage or a reaction. This is part of continuing education and reading trade publications, right?These ladies don’t take their craft seriously. They are not even willing to listen to a client’s concerns? Sheesh!
This is part of the reason why I don’t go to salons. I just don’t trust stylists. Also because the times in which my mom decided we should see stylists regularly my hair broke off.
Wowwwww smh thank you Narada for continuing to highlight stuff like this. Zero accountability. Talking in circles like do they listen back and hear themselves!?!?
I agree on many if not all levels. PROFESSIONALS who have worked behind the chair for decades are 'sorrowful' and trying to gaslight without taking full on responsiblity for skimming, actually omitting in many cases conditioning products and blaming it on the clients for wanting more 'definition' over hydrated and moisturized coils without disclosing the true cost of not properly preparing the hair for the drying gel or mousse. A real apology needs to point inward. PROFESSIONALS in all sectors never arrived. They (we) need to be life long learners AND humble. Be well.
The one on the left said She did a deep dive… Really ??? Please stop with the bs
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyy are they speaking about black girl curls. They need to add African American women (kinky) on that couch. Not white mixed females that don’t even pick African American on applications etc.
People like them ignore the fact that they trained stylists using the same methods to ruin hair. Do your own research and engage in conversations with your clients about what is and isnt working. My stylist and me are always chatting about this stuff. It was frustrating to read comments by other stylists who didn’t follow what has been happening for almost 2 years.
THEY ALLLL. NEED TO BE SUED !!!
NEVER in my life have I ever seen a professional weaponize their incompetence against their clients before. What am I watching?? “Um well I didn’t know so uh yeah it’s not my fault girly 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏽♀️” HUHH
When i say that i felt brain dead listening to those 2. I find it incredible that these 2 are allegedly qualified. They think that its their right to just play about in peoples hair and dont need to be accountable but can definitely charge people for the "pleasure". Delusions of grandeur.
Last time I went to a hairdresser I was a teenager, this same stylist yet again triple fried my hair but this time told my mother I would need to start coming in weekly for treatment because my hair was in horrible condition & I'm not looking after it properly.
This was the 2nd time I had saw her & my 3rd visit to this salon where I was 1st seen to by the owner & she did good but moaned & groaned with her assistants the whole time, I got the impression I was being avoided when I got this *other* shortcutting stylist the next few times. By 3xfried, she used relaxer (which I'm actually allergic to), washed and blowdried with high heat and a comb attachment *then* used (very hot) heat tongs. Each time my hair looked fly away and strawlike after.
This was way back & people disliking your hair & behaving in an exasperated way when 'tackling' it, even as a professional, was considered the norm, fortunately it seems people are seeing this these days.
I call it hair trauma. I had the same thing growing up in the 90s and my mom listened to every and anybody except my hair.
@marleyhill34 same, 00s for me. 😊
I always hope that in general, particularly older generations, start getting more comfortable questioning or taking with a pinch of salt 'authority figures' when common sense is right there.
Clearly they don't care and don't want to learn to care. It's best that an individual learn their own hair porosity, texture and density. How crazy that they don't take the time to learn about the ingredients in the products they use on their customers. This should be a clear sign for everyone to learn to care for their own hair
“I feel like” I hate that.. facts over feelings is important..
I absolutely love your truth!!! We need more of it! Blessings forever!
TY for this analysis! I appreciate your unbiased science based wisdom. And… your skin looks fabulous!❤
I hope those girls don't charge more than $60 for a style or more than $15 for a trim cause why do you feel entitled to be able to charge as much as you want and not be expected to measure up to that price? The BARE minimum being that when I walk into your salon, my hair doesn't end up more fucked up or shorter than before.
KEEP EXPOSING THESE FAKE “PROFESSIONALS”.
All I heard was a lot of whining, exaggerated inhalations, and lack of accountability. 🙄😒
They have no idea what they’re talking about. They sound DUMB!
Beard is so dope
Pikachu! I choose you!⚡️💕😂
Thank you so much for speaking truth. The levels of skullduggery is terribly sad.
They sound like bandwagonists
I've been so spoiled by AfrikanHairGod, DeeperThanHair and Travelle (the holy Trinity of natural Afro-textured hair stylists in my book) that any natural hair video I see across any platform I immediately compare and judge in determining whether or not it's up to standards. And most times it's not. I don't even listen to what any of these curly hair specialists spew from their mouths because I know many of them do not deal with curly patterns past 3b/3c. I remember someone telling me all I needed was mousse even though I knew I needed much more than that to get curl definition and moisture. Came out of that salon looking like I didn't just pay for a styling service on top of the wash, blowdry and haircut smh I always felt that curly hair specialists are not knowledgeable in Afro-textured hair. After 3B curl type they're no good, in my opinion. Being an expert in tending to kinky hair requires some humility especially when beauty school does not offer much information. In order to gain the trust of clients to take a chance and possibly revisit, you must allow yourself to be open to learning and that's where many of these curly hair specialists - and some supposed natural hair stylists - don't want to do. Many are conceited and instead blame the clients when things go left or the client is unsatisfied with the service. It's weird that they apply what *little* they know about hair to every head. That's a sure way to mess up and a sure way to get called out. If they don't want to back peddle and be "dIsCrEdItEd" I would suggest they spend some more money to attend legitimate classes or watch RUclips VIDEOS THAT ARE FREE and still legitimate.
So, is it safe to say that these "professionals" just have a license to play in ppl hair for fun? Because I'm not seeing the real benefits of trusting someone's knowledgeable experience and education, just for them to turn around and play or really be ignorant!
I feel like we are all victims of a 1 day hair style. Shame disgrace, it be our own ppl 😂
So they want credibility but rely on the suggestions and words of their clients and other stylists… and they don’t wanna do “kinky hair”, they want ”simple hair” of a looser texture... interesting.
It's OK not to be perfect and not know everything but so with the 'it's not my fault' instead of 'I apologize...' (even if it's followed with an explanation of the misguidance)
If they say some science word….so they don’t research any product they use? Ever?
Very off topic, but you remind me so much of my Hairdresser I had back in the day in Connecticut ❤. Yes, I said Hairdresser, 😂…”Hairstylist” is a new school term and they can’t do Hair like them good ole’ Hairdressers 😅. I’m not that old either in my late 30’s, currently living in South Florida and I miss Chris so much, because I’m in Florida for 2 years now and can’t find a decent Hairstylist. Seeking a Hairdresser…but just a bunch of Instagram slap on wigs down here, with 3 pages of rules for making a appointment and it’s ridiculous. I have no problem making a deposit, but when you have 3 pages of Do’s and Don’t, Be washed and blowed dried before appointment 👀. Umm No!! I know there men and women that can do hair. I just have not been lucky 🍀 to find one yet. So I’m the mean time I’m doing it myself 😊
Omg I have the same pikachu plush lol ♥️♥️😭😭
Wooow these women are speaking like they are black 😂
It’s too soon to give a real opinion when things are still going on & there is no conclusion yet, Or it is not your lived experience. People always want to be the first on something but don’t know all the facts. Yes, I kind of know of it but this is not my experience because I am learning with this whole video series & stories & I have learned a lot. Thank you for sharing..😊
Is blowdrying every other week ok?
Hold up is this some type of Jedi mind trick for The Matrix are the Twilight Zone does Foolery is getting more diabolical by the minute
As a natural hair care stylist I develop a relationship with my clients during the consultation before entering the service and the aftercare. Unfortunately more than 50% of the time the client has lied about their hair condition as well as their hair care regimen. It's extremely challenging to nurture the client's hair when they're focused on the aesthetic and not the long-term condition of their hair.
If they lie you can’t examine the hair and see what’s going on?
Sounds like you need to fire some clients. If it's truly a conflict of interest like that for me, I respectfully decline offering them services because there are people out that that value and appreciate my guidance and expertise and are willing to do what it takes to commit to that. Everyone doesn't deserve a seat in your chair.
I feel like a reasonable stylist takes precautions of what they offer/advice otherwise they shouldn’t. They come off ignorant and uneducated very embarrassing. If you don’t even know much about the product maybe don’t recommend it? You felt, styled, acquired information from consulting about their hair to get a gauge on what recommendation/advice to give. If you don’t have the knowledge to offer product advice then don’t give it. Similar to how a Dr needs to acquire information before giving diagnosis/advice/etc. These stylists are complacent in their ignorance and incompetence it’s embarrassing, they’re taking away their own agency by acting like nothing they’ve done was anything worth being held accountable for as if they’re just NPCs lol.
It sounds like they are just following trends instead of researching what works.
They are literally at bad at the influencers they speak down on
Ladies please give me hint or link on who they are please
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Is the definition of replicate to SCREW it UP?!!!
Whose babies are these? They play in people’s hair?
Do people actually listen to that podcast? Just that little clip feels like eavesdropping on the most boring conversation between middle schoolers. The edit highlighting how dumb they sound at least made it bearable.
The disingenuous nature of pretending people just read the ebook and that's what the issue is... It completely ignores ALL of the content not in the ebook: see some curls, in person curly cuts and consultations, IG lives, the CIK training... The ebook really is not the source. And the A's know that they did a lot more talking than what is in their books, yet unwilling to even mention that other content.
They sound slow.
2 Bird Brains sitting on a podcast.
Wait a WW is trying to do our hair???
Yeah people of any colour can do others hair they don't have on their own heads as long as they aren't ignorant like these stylists.
Hey stylists: if you are going to suggest products, you first need product knowledge!
So they want to be licensed but not keeo learning? They want to monkey do and monkey see and expect their clients to do the sane thing instead of learning so that they can direct clients to the proper source of information so that they can learn how to better care for their own hair. This has got to be the most laziest and ignorant statements to come from licensed personnel mouths. I would be ashamed to admit that I am too lazy to keep expanding my knowledge base in my chosen profession.