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How Death's Door and Tunic Aim to Transcend Soulslikes
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- While we’ve seen plenty of Zelda-likes and Souls-likes over the years, few games have managed to understand the exact elements that makes them great quite like Tunic and Death’s Door. The thing that makes the Souls games so memorable isn’t the steep difficulty, nebulous mechanics, or grotesque bosses, but rather a pure sense of adventure, exploration, and discovery, and these two games have that in spades. And so, while we wait for Elden Ring and the sequel to Breath of the Wild to come along next year, it’s indies like these that seem to be adeptly carrying their torch.
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ive just finished death's door, love every single second of it, so beautiful in every aspects
i was interested in both games and im glad they are fulfilling my expectations, great video, cant wait to play them
Thanks for watching!
Wasn't aware of Death's Door but it looks great and its been added to the ole Steam wishlist.
my favorite game
These two games look right up my alley! Thanks for showcasing them in this really interesting video essay! I'm excited to see more of this content here!
I had heard of both these games in the past and hoped they would be good but they sound and look even better than I had hoped I can't wait to hear more from you guys or otherwise
I heard of Death's Door this E3 and was immediately blown away by it. It instantly made its way on my must-play list.
I think you can throw Hyper Light Drifter into the mix. Looking forward to Solar Ash.
Also Outer Wilds.
Got Death's Door in my wishlist on Steam. I also specifically cherish the exploration and feeling of discovery that Souls games provide, so this piece really hits home. Maybe I'll check Tunic too.
Deaths door is the only game I have ever got a platinum trophy on. It did mean that I had to play the whole game again only using an umbrella as my mele weapon but I did it 😅 Great game!
I would say DD is "tough but fair" because every death feels earned, and you can learn from it. After you learn the bosses, you can do them without getting hit. Eventually you realize that you aren't trapped in the room the boss/enemy... they're trapped in there with you. You're here to reap them, and reap you shall. That was my favorite revelation of playing.
I would not say the same for Tunic. It's not "tough but fair", it more like "f**k you, go figure it out or go look online". Tunic jerks you around on purpose and hides key information from you to ... well, jerk you around. My favorite example was that I didn't know you could equip cards for like half the game. The quarry was absolute misery for me without the gas mask (which I had, but couldn't equip because the game never tells you about cards or how to equip them). Then I looked up how to equip cards and the quarry was a complete joke. So, it's not "difficulty" here, it's BS. It's a waste of my time. Tunic becomes unfairly hard after the 3 keys when you're a ghost and I switched to "no fail mode" to finish the game because I wasn't having fun anymore.
Both look amazing and sound amazing. DD's story is far easier to understand but Tunic's is obtuse and not clear to me (yes, I've looked it up). Both worlds are incredible. I recommend DD to everyone. I do not recommend Tunic unless you are really into obtuse BS masquerading as "difficulty". DD encourages you to try, try again, and when you finally put that boss down, it feels good. Tunic puts up roadblock after roadblock without any real payoff. The Ruin Guard is a joke once you figure out the gimmick - it's still a tedious fight. The Librarian is a fair boss and I like him, just like the Scavenger Boss. But I would not say the same for the Heir (who has too much BS).
Marty! Love this piece man 🙏 The games chosen are really gorgeous and the gameplay looks great. Thanks for making this piece 🍻
Yesss, more Marty content!
Will absolutely try Deaths Door after seeing this!
My problem with the "souls-like" genre is the git gud gamer culture around them, and how they ignore one of the best advancements in game design: the ability to select difficulty from an options menu.
Death's Door looks amazing, though. I might pick it up when it goes on sale.
I feel like it's not so much an advancement as just a matter of preference. To have only one difficulty is more a curated and specific experience, whereas tweakable difficulty is more accessible. They both have their trade-offs. Not every game strives for a one-size-fits-all approach.
In the Dark Souls series specifically, the difficulty is actually tied in to the story. You aren't the chosen one, there have been countless attempts before you (or after you). Every player that decides they can't or won't finish the game is another undead that went hollow in the attempt.
It's a fun meta narrative.
Gaming Journalism created the git guders, not the souls-games
Already preordered deaths door on my xbox
I dunno, Death's Door isn't Souslike to me, it's part of this genre of top-down, "fixed camera", action-adventure/action-rpg that spans Ys: the Oath in Felghana (and Ys Origins), Crosscode, Hyper Light Drifter, Bastion (and all Supergiant's games), and to a lesser extent, all 2D Zelda games (which employ the same exploration and puzzle notes but are less combat intensive). It's a weirdly specific niche but I'm glad there are people building upon this niche, and I hope to contribute to it someday. I feel that this sort of game comfortably straddles a line between the open world and the linear setpiece, and by limiting their scope, they manage to create these budget 3D labyrinths where camera angle isn't an issue and combat is fast paced and intense. I hope to see more.
tunic looks amazing! can't wait to play it!
Agreed!
They both seem combat-heavy. Zelda created a world of RPG with characters going about their lives and talking to them to set up quests and generally interact with the story of the world on a social/conversational level to progress it. There's no footage of that in Death's Door or Tunic though both look very very good for graphics and combat.
I’ve been patiently waiting for Tunic to come out for years now but playing the recent demo on Xbox left me wanting it now more than ever. Luckily Death’s Door came out of nowhere to scratch the itch. Truly an amazing game. I can’t get enough of it. Hopefully we get some dlc in the future.
I feel like Death´s Door stole Tunic´s thunder
Both are some of my faves. Can anyone tell me what other games are like these 2 on PS5?
Phenomenal games! Hyper light drifter is another game that fits into this category as well!
I'm sure both will be enjoyable experiences, but to Deaths Door looks like the clear stand out in every way imo
Of course it does, it has a corvid in it! You can improve anything with corvids.
I see some new things in Tunic. Did deathdoor anything new?
Death's Door > Tunic
I enjoy souls-like, I enjoy when it's combined with rogue-like
I just really like to be punished lol
@@danieladamczyk4024 yeah, as a matter of fact I do. I want to get my ass kicked over and over. That's how any good training works. You fight to get better, you struggle from beginning to end but you EARNED it.
How the hell did the switch version of Link's Awakening release in 2019? I coulda sworn it came out like 6 months ago
Ooooh those games look really good!
I'm torn, which game is better?? What should I get first?
Get Game Pass if you can. Problem solved. If not, I am liking Deaths Door a bit more, as it’s closer to a Souls Game. Tunic is also great and a little more like classic Zelda. You can’t go wrong.
@@mundanemorselsmundanemorse7028 I'm on PS5 only at the moment unfortunately, but I just went ahead and bought them both. I agree they're both good.
Does anyone know will Deaths Door be on PC gamepass July 20? Which I have.
More zelda-like than soulslike
Sounds like Death's Door took a page out of the canceled concept from Dark Souls 3: the choosing your bonfires? Just in this case it is healing you rather than resetting everything?
Nicely said.
already preordered on my xbox one x
We really need to come to an agreement as to what a "soulslike" is and is not, cause to me what makes a souls game gameplay wise is not the checkpoints mechanic on it's own; I think a good souls game has a combat system that makes you consider your attacks and distance (instead of just running in and mashing attack) and rewards you for exploring their worlds.
Code Vein is one example of this; despite having skills like a traditional RPG (Not just magic like Dark Souls, think of something like a bash that multiplies your damage) you have to take your distance and measure your hits (always having a partner doesn't change the fact you can die like an idiot for rushing in), specially on bosses, where you also have to take into account your skills/stamina resources to dodge accordingly.
Remnant: From The Ashes is the best example since not only does it have the souls formula, it drastically changes it in favor of gunplay (you can go melee too if you want) but you still have to measure your hits (kind of) since there are armored enemies and weakspots; unless you melee you don't need to factor stamina on your attacks, but it doesn't mean you can just shoot like crazy since you need bullets (and certain weapons don't have that many).
Tunic is harder than death's door so play death's door fist then play tunic , it will make tunic easier .
I'm glad that more devs are using souls mechanics because it means I save money not buying their games
Tunic is never going to be releases XD it has years in dev and nothing very deep has been shown
? There was a demo for it on Xbox.
Roguelike not Soulslike, although Tunic does have some Souls mechanics.
Neither of these games are roguelikes
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Honestly, the soulslike elements are the ONLY reason I won't be buying either game. Sick of the souls clones.... It isn't new or creative. It's tired and monotonous.
*rolls 10x
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Lost all interest in Tunic when I heard it wasn't a Zelda like. Screw it.